a few questions
Slarty
I'd like to ask:
1) what is the strangest album from before stereo?
2)What jazz fusion albums (no semantics, please) pushed the envelope
most in the 80's?
Love to hear your answers?
Tony Elka
<523585ec-44e0-4095...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Slarty <thaddeu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hAVENT POSTED IN YEARS:
>
> I'd like to ask:
> 1) what is the strangest album from before stereo?
You might find this page interesting:
http://www.danacountryman.com/danacovers/danacovers.html
> 2)What jazz fusion albums (no semantics, please) pushed the envelope
> most in the 80's?
The movement was over after the 1970's. Mahavishnu, Return to Forever,
etc. pushed the envelope all the way out of the stationary store and
then it was over.
Tony
Jeff Blanks
> Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, etc. pushed the envelope
> all the way out of the stationary store and then it was over.
LOL!
(But what about Allan Holdsworth? Or would you consider that something
different?)
--
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--Anton Chekhov
Tony Elka
<jblanks-A87BD6...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Jeff Blanks <jbl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Tony Elka <shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>
> > Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, etc. pushed the envelope
> > all the way out of the stationary store and then it was over.
>
> LOL!
>
> (But what about Allan Holdsworth? Or would you consider that something
> different?)
Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
Tony
progea
> Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
Recital of scales, that is.
Jeff Blanks
> Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
Beyond the fact that this change has long since lost most of its
resonance, you make him sound like, I dunno, *Yngwie Malmsteen* or
something.
Tony Elka
<jblanks-9C46BB...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Jeff Blanks <jbl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Tony Elka <shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>
> > Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
>
> Beyond the fact that this change has long since lost most of its
> resonance, you make him sound like, I dunno, *Yngwie Malmsteen* or
> something.
You should be listening to Dethklok.
Tony
Steven Sullivan
No more so than the other bamed bands, and besides, that better describes his live shows
than his studio work. Some of his albums are very good
fusion indeed (e.g. Road Games)
--
-S
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Jeff Blanks
Again, someone's not listening to all the music. Besides, no one ever
says these things about the great jazz soloists... Well, they
shouldn't, anyway.
Slarty
> In article
> <523585ec-44e0-4095-a332-16c5d5c97...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Slarty <thaddeus.sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > hAVENT POSTED IN YEARS:
>
> > I'd like to ask:
> > 1) what is the strangest album from before stereo?
>
> You might find this page interesting:http://www.danacountryman.com/danacovers/danacovers.html
>
> > 2)What jazz fusion albums (no semantics, please) pushed the envelope
> > most in the 80's?
>
> The movement was over after the 1970's. Mahavishnu, Return to Forever,
> etc. pushed the envelope all the way out of the stationary store and
> then it was over.
>
> Tony
We disagree. What few albums did stretch the envelope in the 80's did
so even more than the 70's; because a little repetition was more
excusable then.
Slarty
> Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>
> > > Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, etc. pushed the envelope
> > > all the way out of the stationary store and then it was over.
>
> > LOL!
>
> > (But what about Allan Holdsworth? Or would you consider that something
> > different?)
>
> Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
>
> Tony
I must agree somewhat about that assessment. He's a bit repetitive.
Slarty
mopre people compare holsworth to yngve, than mclaughlin.
Slarty
> Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> > <jblanks-A87BD6.00162010112...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
> > Jeff Blanks <jbla...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Mahavishnu, Return to Forever, etc. pushed the envelope
> > > > all the way out of the stationary store and then it was over.
>
> > > LOL!
>
> > > (But what about Allan Holdsworth? Or would you consider that something
> > > different?)
> > Holdsworth's music is musical masturbation.
>
> No more so than the other
bamed
what is that word supposed to be?
Slarty
I've still gotten only 1 answer to my 1st question, and it wasn't
obviously helpful. Surely some1 has another answer.
Bill
<523585ec-44e0-4095...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Slarty <thaddeu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hAVENT POSTED IN YEARS:
>
> I'd like to ask:
> 1) what is the strangest album from before stereo?
Don't know. You might want to check out the musics of Harry Partch or
Moondog, both of who are relatively well known, but I don't think they
necessarily created "albums", although their work was compiled on
albums. Most people would consider their music strange. The strangest is
probably by someone I've never heard of who pressed their own albums.
I found this -
<http://www.smh.com.au/news/Music/The-vinyl-countdown/2004/11/26/11012197
36691.html> , but all the material is from 1958 on. 1958 is considered
the year when stereo records were first produced for mass consumption.
> 2)What jazz fusion albums (no semantics, please) pushed the envelope
> most in the 80's?
>
These push the envelope far enough that many wouldn't consider them jazz
fusion, even though they are fusions of jazz and rock.
James Blood Ulmer's albums:
Are You Glad to Be in America (1980)
Free Lancing (1981)
Black Rock (1982)
Part Time (1983)
Odyssey (1984)
Any album by the band "Last Exit".
Ornette Coleman:
Virgin Beauty (1988)
(He has others in the 1980's, this is the one I am familiar with.)
IMHO, what is generally considered fusion since about 1975 is all about
*not *pushing the envelope.
--
Bill
Slarty
> In article
> <523585ec-44e0-4095-a332-16c5d5c97...@12g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
Thank You. Haven't checked most of those out, yet.
I would offer the 80's albums from my list; namely:
1) Adventures in Radioland-McLaughlin
2) You're Under Arrest-Miles Davis
What are your thoughts on those 2?
Any thoughts about the strangest prestereo album question?
Bill
<79e6d92b-eab7-4640...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Slarty <thaddeu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) Adventures in Radioland-McLaughlin
> 2) You're Under Arrest-Miles Davis
Enjoyable car music. Not in the least bit envelope-pushing.
Boring compared to what either of them were doing in 1975 (Shakti,
Agharta).
> Any thoughts about the strangest prestereo album question?
None more than what I already gave.
--
Bill
Mike
Really? Why would one do such a thing? Apples and oranges. Sure they
play the same instrument but Allan's approach is more like a sax
player or perhaps even a violinist. Allan plays in a legato style that
he and the late great Ollie Halsall created a few decades ago.
http://www.myspace.com/michaelhfell
Regards
Mike
Mike
I disagree. Thats one thing Holdsworth is not is repetitive. Listen to
City nights off the Secrets album. His tone and his playing is out of
this world on that tune. Vinnie played drums on that and did it in one
take and nailed it.
sdavmor
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Mike
IMO Frank Gambales live album from 87 or so pushed the envelope in
terms of guitar playing. Well his sweep picking abilities where quite
extrodinary. The Late great Shawn Lane pushed the envolope as well
again in terms of guitar playing. IMO the great fusion bands of the
70s took fusion as far as it could go.
Mike
Hey Steve. How are ya? Yes it has been awahile.Been busy.