Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Anyone ever played a cheapie flugel from ebay?

0 views
Skip to first unread message

Doc

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 2:10:11 PM8/15/03
to
Okay, no lectures - "you get what you pay for" etc. etc. yeah, yeah.
Has anyone ever actually played one of these inexpensive "Laval" or
other such flugels found on eBay? Are they at least serviceable or is
there some chronic problem with them that renders them unusable?


Thanks!

jazz...@hotmail.com

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 2:20:01 PM8/15/03
to
[insert lecture here ... etc. etc. etc.]

No. If you're in the market, you might give the Jupiter flugels a look,
some folks think they're a real bargain.

I *really* like my Yamaha Z flugel.

Doc <docsa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Okay, no lectures - "you get what you pay for" etc. etc. yeah, yeah.


--
Jeff Helgesen
http://www.shout.net/~jmh/

Al Parrott

unread,
Aug 15, 2003, 4:44:48 PM8/15/03
to
Hey, Doc:

I'll confess, but I am not the best judge of serviceability. I'll make a
stab anyway.

I recently bought a lacquered brass Laval flugel in an eBay auction. I am a
fifty-something comeback trumpet and cornet player and had never touched a
flugelhorn in my life until I got this thing. I am not a pro. Going price
on eBay is usually in the $100-150 range, and I got mine at the lower end of
the scale. Sure, a Jupiter or a Yamaha or Cousenon or Bach is going to be a
better horn for more money.

This horn plays easily with a good sound (to me), although it has some
intonation problems, especially for me with the generic 7C flugel mouthpiece
that came with it. Just about any note using first valve in the staff comes
off pretty flat. The first thing I did was get a Benge flugel mouthpiece in
a larger size, and that helped. I can actually play most notes in tune with
a little effort. I would be nervous trying to use the thing in a section,
though.

The horn is nice looking and I can find no flaws in the finish or
construction. It has bottom sprung valves that work well although a tiny
bit noisily. For now, I am having a ball discovering the joys of flugelhorn
and will even probably use it for a solo or two. If that works, sure, I'm
going to upgrade when I can afford it, because I love the flugelhorn sound.
Bottom line, it is suitable for some uses and is well worth the price, but
if you need to pay the rent based on your playing, get a more expensive
horn. Hope this helps you.

Al


"Doc" <docsa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f0c1bc20.03081...@posting.google.com...

Julia deSilva

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 3:51:36 AM8/16/03
to
I bought a Jupiter Rose Brass Flugel about 1 1/2 years ago. It is good for
the money, but ....

1. The laquer seems very thin and easily scratched
2. The tuning and intonation is only just OK and certainly not up to a
pro-horn standard
3. I've dented the bell just by putting it on the stand a bit harshly, and
further investigation shows that the bell metal is so thin that you can
almost push it in it with your little finger.
4. The valves need to be kept well oiled or they get sticky after a couple
of numbers, especially in a hot venue.
5.The sound is great and good compared to other Flugels for the money, you
get what you pay for!!

J


<jazz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bhj88h$k9p$1...@roundup.shout.net...

Catzz66

unread,
Aug 16, 2003, 7:26:34 AM8/16/03
to
Those of us playing flugels with high copper bells know that the bells tend to
be easy to dent. You just have to be more careful with the softer bells. It's
a trade off for the nice sound of the red brass.

Leonard & Peggy Brown

unread,
Aug 17, 2003, 4:25:31 PM8/17/03
to

"Julia deSilva" <j...@trumpetweb.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Yll%a.7845$Z52....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...

> I bought a Jupiter Rose Brass Flugel about 1 1/2 years ago. It is good for
> the money, but ....
>
> 1. The laquer seems very thin and easily scratched
> 2. The tuning and intonation is only just OK and certainly not up to a
> pro-horn standard
> 3. I've dented the bell just by putting it on the stand a bit harshly, and
> further investigation shows that the bell metal is so thin that you can
> almost push it in it with your little finger.
> 4. The valves need to be kept well oiled or they get sticky after a couple
> of numbers, especially in a hot venue.
> 5.The sound is great and good compared to other Flugels for the money, you
> get what you pay for!!
>
> J
>
Problem #1 sounds like a +. Thin laquer lightens response a bit.
Problem #3 might be because of the rose brass. It is softer than regular
brass so a thin rosebrass bell would have to be treated pretty lightly.

Regards,
Leonard


JoeGuy

unread,
Oct 20, 2003, 10:00:36 PM10/20/03
to
i bought a bach fluegelhorn a few years ago, and had same prob.


"Leonard & Peggy Brown" <wald...@netscorp.net> wrote in message
news:%wR%a.344$qJ6.2...@monger.newsread.com...

0 new messages