PDP-11s and Music Synthesis
Roland Dobbins
>Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
>equipment? I've heard that some people have used these systems for
>this, but I was wondering how many were still doing this... it seems
>like this could be a good use for my PDP-11s. :-)
>
The Synclavier & Synclavier II were based around the MicroVAX, I think . . .
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Megan
>Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
>equipment? I've heard that some people have used these systems for
>this, but I was wondering how many were still doing this... it seems
>like this could be a good use for my PDP-11s. :-)
Years ago, I got ahold of the TI sound generation controller and was
able to wire up a crude circuit which drove it from a DR11C. A friend
who was much more versed in electronic design created a circuit (which
we dubbed the MK11-B, in honor of the MK10 music kludge) which could
control multiple SGCs. I further modified it to drive a set of LEDs
so that I had a programmable display.
Anyway, another friend wrote a program which compiled and played music
source files of the same form as the Stanford music compiler for the
DECsystem-10. It's been a few years since I last had the board
operating, but I think I still have the engineering drawings for the
circuit.
Another friend of mine designed a circuit which would run off a DLV11-J
(also modified) and allow the control of MIDI devices...
>I've also heard that the Grateful Dead used a PDP-11 for music
>synthesis (gee, I guess that means that PDP-11s can be classified as
>portable computers! :-). Can anyone provide any information or
>details about the setup that they used?
>If you've used a PDP-11 for music synthesis, how did you connect it to
>the other music synthesis equipment: serial ports, special boards?
>What operating system did you use? Is the software used available
>anywhere for anonymous FTP?
I'll have to look into the software and see if my friend still has it
available and would be willing to distribute it...
And if I can find the circuit diagram for the 'MK11-B', I'll try to
post it (somehow). I don't know if there is a hard copy of the circuit
for the MIDI controller...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
bi...@mix.com
> And the M-???? that was part of the Micro-Power Pascal kit.
> Anyone got one?
Perhaps this is the EY-0105E-MS-0101 Q Bus Music Board? I have one
of these, but I've never fired it up. Kind of primative by today's
standards, but interesting if only because DEC made it.
I also think the Synclavier was, at least at one time, PDP-11 based?
Billy Y..
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Romain Kang
writes about computer music labs that used PDP-11's. I also recall UCSD
had a few PDP-11's around, according to a technical paper that described
their facilities and applications. I believe their main cruncher was a
PDP-11/55 with lots o' fast bipolar memory (lots for an '11, anyhow).
Princeton had a PDP-11/34 (I was its resident UNIX hack) but it was
mainly used as a AD/DA platform, using a DR-11W interface to custom
made convertors. The main compute engine was the campus mainframe
(a 3033, then a 3081), and we carried tapes from the computer center
over to the music lab to hear our latest creations. We had a special
user-space filesystem because the V7-style filesystems couldn't handle
the throughput, and we *still* had to turn off clock interrupts to
get clean conversions. On the other hand, we could tell how much
the convertors had been used by checking how far behind the time of
day clock had fallen...
Of course, the small PDP-11's weren't cost effective compute engines
once the MicroVAX II came out around 1985. The main reason people kept
them tended to be for I/O capability, which was hard to get on those
tiny Q-BUS machines. Today, a $1500 multimedia PC is capable of just
about anything the old $50k 11/34 system could handle, and then lots
more CPU cycles to boot.
Romain Kang Pyramid Technology Corp.
rom...@pyramid.com San Jose, California, USA
Stephane TSACAS
Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
equipment? I've heard that some people have used these systems for
this, but I was wondering how many were still doing this... it seems
like this could be a good use for my PDP-11s. :-)
Hi,
Maybe you can ask someone from the IRCAM, Institut de Recherche et
Coordination Acoustique/Musique (Paris), I think they had a pdp10 the
Vaxen, so I'm quite sure they had pdp11 some too. Try :
http://www.ircam.fr/ .
,
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Michael Hyman
: Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
: equipment?
Don't know if this counts, but in the 70's I programmed a PDP-11/34 to
play synthesized music (monophonic) in real-time through a DAC port. The
software was written in FORTRAN and controlled frequencies and note
timings with DO loops! It was fun and interesting at the time (Oh to be
young!), but I can't imagine why anyone would want to make music this way
in 1995.
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josef jurek
= Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
= equipment? I've heard that some people have used these systems for
= this, but I was wondering how many were still doing this... it seems
= like this could be a good use for my PDP-11s. :-)
Barry Vercoe and others at MIT in the late 70s used a PDP11 to compute
sound using a program called Music 11, which was the pre-cursor of Csound.
A PDP11 was also used at Northwestern to compute sound in the early
80s, though I do not know what program(s) they were using.
At both of these institutions, sound was computed directly on to
the hard disk, and not in real time. There was no use of "synthesis
equipment".
Also, Herbert Brun at the University of Illinois in the 70s used a
PDP11 to run his Sawdust program, a program which does both synthesis
and computer-assisted composition.
= If you've used a PDP-11 for music synthesis, how did you connect it to
= the other music synthesis equipment: serial ports, special boards?
= What operating system did you use? Is the software used available
= anywhere for anonymous FTP?
Csound is still available from MIT (at no cost).
You can probably find their address in the comp.music FAQ.
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R. D. Davis
I've also heard that the Grateful Dead used a PDP-11 for music
synthesis (gee, I guess that means that PDP-11s can be classified as
portable computers! :-). Can anyone provide any information or
details about the setup that they used?
If you've used a PDP-11 for music synthesis, how did you connect it to
the other music synthesis equipment: serial ports, special boards?
What operating system did you use? Is the software used available
anywhere for anonymous FTP?
One other semi-related question, does anyone know of any PERQ graphics
workstations being used for music synthesis?
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Mr. J. Boyes
: equipment?
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I do remember someone writing some code to play music on a PDP8. You
had to hold an un-tuned transistor radio close to it to hear the music.
Hows that for a radio interface? :-)
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Benjamin Ketcham
josef jurek <ja...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>Csound is still available from MIT (at no cost).
>You can probably find their address in the comp.music FAQ.
Yes, and I ported it to Linux. Wasn't any harder than any
other port, despite the obvious age and multiply-patched
nature of much of the code. It seems to work just fine.
--ben
Lon Stowell
Domain], I have committed the unpardonable sin of RTFM.
It seems that Stanfords CCRMA, as of 1983, did NOT have a PDP of
whatever variety.
What they had was a Foonly F2 "emulating a DEC PDP-10".
What? Foonly? Now THAT sounds like a sufficiently oddball
name that there is probably a boring story behind it.
Mike McCrohan
em...@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. J. Boyes) wrote:
> R. D. Davis (rda...@umbc.edu) wrote:
> : Is anyone here using a DEC PDP-11 to control any music synthesis
> : equipment?
>
> [snip]
>
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>
> I do remember someone writing some code to play music on a PDP8. You
> had to hold an un-tuned transistor radio close to it to hear the music.
> Hows that for a radio interface? :-)
>
In Digital in Galway around 1975, John Lewis, manager of the training
department, hooked the link bit of a PDP-8/e to an amplifier and had it
produce music. Initial attempts produced pure tones that, though
interesting, were not too pleasant to listen to. Later he managed to
incorporate subharmonics, if that's the correct term, to give the notes
a more natural sound. He produced a 45rpm record of Irish music by this
method, which was distributed with one of Digitals in house magazines.
All through the link bit.
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Robert J. Dow
: equipment? I've heard that some people have used these systems for
: this, but I was wondering how many were still doing this... it seems
: like this could be a good use for my PDP-11s. :-)
EMS in Stockholm used their PDP to control a large bank of (homemade)
analogue synthsis gear, although this system has been shut down for some
years now (I think they still have the machine, etc.). This allowed them to
control the sythesis in realtime.
Robert Dow
University of Edinburgh
Faculty of Music
Andrew Clegg
lsto...@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com "Lon Stowell" writes:
> What? Foonly? Now THAT sounds like a sufficiently oddball
> name that there is probably a boring story behind it.
Of course there is -- it has about 2/3s of a page in the New Hacker's
Dictionary.
It was a successor to the PDP-10 that was built at SAIL and was largely
forgotten due to a late arrival in the market.
Interesting trivia: *Its* successor the Super Foonly F-1 (note: not *a*
Super Foonly F-1, there was only one) did the graphics in Tron.
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Bob Schor
>> had to hold an un-tuned transistor radio close to it to hear the music.
>> Hows that for a radio interface? :-)
>>
And the Linc-8 had a volume control knob that "listened" to (I think it was)
the least-significant bit on the Linc accumulator (this was circa 1967). I
coded the "Ode to Joy" on this sucker ...
John Fitch
radio and a PDP7 to play 3 part Bach partitas. He coulkd not manage 4
part as it broke up. The really cool thing was that as the PDP7 had 4
gears and an accelerator (variable clock speed if you prefer) one
could get fine tuning after it was playing. It was part of his
dissertation; I cannot remember his name at present, but he was Syrian
and last time I saw him he was post-doc and working for Thomas J
Watson Research Center, IBM, in Yorktown Heights. The project would
have been in early 1968.
==John ff
Peter Cassidy
>It was a successor to the PDP-10 that was built at SAIL and was largely
>forgotten due to a late arrival in the market.
>
>Interesting trivia: *Its* successor the Super Foonly F-1 (note: not *a*
>Super Foonly F-1, there was only one) did the graphics in Tron.
Not to mention the fact that the great Wendy Carlos did the soundtrack!!
>
>Andrew.
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lem...@aa.wl.com
>>You are right! Anyone who isn't aware of how great she is, hasn't heard "Beauty
>in the Beast". Believe me, it ain't Bach. Personally, it's the only electronic
>music I've heard which is music primarily, and electronic incidentally. If
>you're aware of anything else in it's quality band, I'd love to know about it.
>This means no Mike Oldfield, Chariots of Fire...etc...snooze. Thanks.
Bob James - Rameau
Lon Stowell
>
>
>You are right! Anyone who isn't aware of how great she is, hasn't heard "Beauty in the Beast". Believe me, it ain't Bach. Personally, it's the only electronic music I've heard which is music primarily, and electronic incidentally. If you're aware of anything else in it's quality band, I'd love to know about it. This means no Mike Oldfield, Chariots of Fire...etc...snooze. Thanks.
Are you familiar with Telarc's Bachbuster's album by Don Dorsey?
"The music of Bach played on the Yamaha DX-11 and other period
synthesizers".
The Tomita rendition of 'The Planets' isn't a snore-generator.
Dana Renee Lee
>From: ake...@harris.com (Angelo Keene)
>Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos (was Re: PDP-11s and Music Synthesis)
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:37:49 GMT
>In article <3htdb1$t...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpes...@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes:
>|> But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
>|> _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
>|>
>|> -- Derek
>Was that some sort of pseudonym, or was there a sex change involved? I've heard
>it both ways...
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
DANA RENEE LEE
>Angelo A. Keene
>Lead Engineer Software
>Harris Information Systems Division
>Melbourne FL 32935 (407) 242-5165 email: ake...@harris.com
>P.S. I have almost all of W. Carlos' early albums, and I'm looking for a
> CD re-release (if any) of "sonic seasonings". My album is getting a
> little worn, and it is pretty hard to find replacements these days.
R!ch
>
Just about *anything* by Tomita isn't a snore-generator, IMHO.
ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
not sure. And no, this isn't one!
R!ch
If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
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>From: ake...@harris.com (Angelo Keene)
>Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos (was Re: PDP-11s and Music Synthesis)
>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:37:49 GMT
>In article <3htdb1$t...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpes...@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes:
>|> But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
>|> _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
>|>
>|> -- Derek
>Was that some sort of pseudonym, or was there a sex change involved? I've heard
>it both ways...
Yes, there was a sex change involved. It makes interesting reading with the
album "Beauty in the Beast", since it refers to *her* previous release of
Switched on Bach, etc.
>Angelo A. Keene
>Lead Engineer Software
>Harris Information Systems Division
>Melbourne FL 32935 (407) 242-5165 email: ake...@harris.com
>P.S. I have almost all of W. Carlos' early albums, and I'm looking for a
> CD re-release (if any) of "sonic seasonings". My album is getting a
> little worn, and it is pretty hard to find replacements these days.
I just hope it wasn't on Audion (sp?), the same label as "Beauty..." They
produced something on the order of 18 albums before going under. They are
collectors items at this point. I was kicking myself when I found that out,
since I had the CD and album, and discovered that my wife sold the album
version to a used record shop along with some of our other old records that
had been just taking up space...
Sigh.
- Rick
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Office Systems Services, University of Pittsburgh
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Grant Green
>In article <3htdb1$t...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpes...@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes:
>|> But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
>|> _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
>|>
>|> -- Derek
>Was that some sort of pseudonym, or was there a sex change involved? I've heard
>it both ways...
It was a sex change.
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>ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
>to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
>a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
>not sure. And no, this isn't one!
But of course it is, as you just demonstrated that you do understand the
meaning of troll...
ObMusicToSomeoneFromAFC:
>If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
cat /vmlinuz >/dev/audio
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Dana Renee Lee
>From: lsto...@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
>Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos (was Re: PDP-11s and Music Synthesis)
>In article <drlee.126...@rt66.com> dr...@rt66.com (Dana Renee Lee) writes:
>>WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
>> OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
>>DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
> None.
> Don't have a cow, man!
> Any real fan of Walter/Wendy would already be aware of the
> history and roughly when it occurred.
> The only difference I can detect in the music is that on
> the older albums, Walter could play 21 simultaneous notes, but
> on the newer albums Wendy can only play 20.
> Yes, I should be ashamed of myself.
Lonie Woman, Yes you should be ashamed of your self. I have not been a MAN
all my life, As far as your comment, Crude VERY Crude
Tours Truly
MS. Dana Renee Lee
Dana Renee Lee
>From: tai...@matrix.newpaltz.edu (solomon taibi)
>Subject: Re: Wendy Carlos (was Re: PDP-11s and Music Synthesis)
>Dana Renee Lee (dr...@rt66.com) wrote:
>: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
>: OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
>: DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
>Do you mean "what difference does it make" as in the real world,
>or in the world of celebrity gossip?
>--
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>State University of New York College at New Paltz
>New Paltz, New York 12561, United States of America
As I said I knew there would be a responce from a maleSP some where in the
group. How would you like it if someone said YOU WERE A Female in the past.
HUMMM!!!
Ms. Dana Renee Lee
Lon Stowell
>
>
>ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
>to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
>a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
>not sure. And no, this isn't one!
>R!ch
Trolling is when you hang your fishing lure out the back of
the boat and then move the boat around, looking for a bite
or nibble from the fish. Fish is a polite term for the bottom
feeding fish known as sucker. Sucker is what people who respond
to intentional flamebaits are considered.
>If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
On the audio groups where the professional designers and recording
engineers lurk, that statement would be a troll.'
Lon Stowell
> OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
>DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
None.
Craig Dickson
No, it would just be flamebait. Don't dignify such rubbish by calling it
a troll.
Craig
solomon taibi
: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
: OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
: DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
Do you mean "what difference does it make" as in the real world,
Malcolm Kendall
At last! Someone who is more interested in Wendy Carlos' music than gossip. Thank you Shahrokh M. And thanks also for the recommendations. Bob James is a fine musician, and I think that, for many of us, he was swept by in the flood of elevator jazz produced in the seventies. I'm glad you mentioned jazz/symphonic combos. I heard `An American Suite' on KPLU, a jazz/blues PBS station from out of Seattle. It features Phil Woods, Dave Cruisin and (I think) the London Philharmonic, and I loved it. Problem is, no
body in Canada has it listed, or has even heard of it. I sure would appreciate any help obtaining it, and any other suggestions. While I'm at it, I still haven't recieved one suggestion for electronic music of comparable quality to W.C.'s `Beauty in the Beast'! Of course, that might be because I don't have external e-mail, so I should have asked for postings.
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R!ch <ri...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> wrote:
>ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
>to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
>a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
>not sure. And no, this isn't one!
That's pretty much exactly what it is. And, in case you had any further
doubt in your mind...
>If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...this is a troll.
flame flame analog weenie flame digital flame samplers flame.
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Gregor B Rochow
>In article <3htdb1$t...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpes...@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes:
>|> But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
>|> _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
>|>
>|> -- Derek
>
>Was that some sort of pseudonym, or was there a sex change involved? I've heard
>it both ways...
>>
I prefer "Walter".
-gbr
Craig Dickson
|Hmm, have you actually compared a decent analogue recording on a decent
|turntable with the same recording on a CD player? IMNSHO, the vinyl will
|(in terms of sound quality) blow the CD away nearly (if not every) all
|the time. I'd explain more, but this isn't rec.audio.high-end (yeah, I
|lurk there, too).
|
|---
|R!ch
|
|If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
Well, in practical terms, the CD will blow away the turntable nearly every
time, for the very simple reason that most LP's (those not made by serious
audiophile labels) are poorly pressed on cheap, recycled vinyl. If we were
still living in the mid-1960's when LP's were well-made, you might have an
argument, at least for the first few times the LP was played, before it
started losing its high frequencies (of course, a really good turntable
will minimize this, though it will not eliminate it). But today's noisy,
probably slightly warped LP can't compare to a CD.
Also, your sig line suggests that all digital recording is inferior to
analog. In the consumer sector the only medium in which pre-recorded music
is published is the CD, which is far from being today's high-end of digital
recording. I recall seeing an article in Stereophile, one of the few really
worthwhile high-end audio magazines, a year or two back in which the
magazine's editor wrote of hearing 24-bit digital recordings in an audio
equipment manufacturer's lab (I forget which company it was) and he
admitted that the 24-bit sound truly was superior to analog. More recently,
Sony has come out with their SBM process, which compresses 20-bit
recordings into 16-bit ones with minimal loss of quality. The difference
between a 16-bit SBM CD and a conventional 16-bit CD is quite noticeable.
Back in the '80s, I could still see some merit in the argument that LP's
were better than CD's; but since then the quality of CD mastering has
improved tremendously. If you checked out CD's ten years ago and then went
back to LP's without a backward glance, you might want to look again.
Craig
Malcolm Kendall
|>
|> This is what I think of as quality new age electronics. There is a ton
|> of annoying Mannheim Steamroller/Yanni/Hearts of Space material.
|>
|> Mike Finley
|> ___
St. Paul, Minnesota
Thanks for the recommendations, Mike. And you know, going by your qualification above, I do believe I trust your judgement.
R!ch
Hmm, have you actually compared a decent analogue recording on a decent turntable
with the same recording on a CD player? IMNSHO, the vinyl will (in terms of
sound quality) blow the CD away nearly (if not every) all the time. I'd explain
more, but this isn't rec.audio.high-end (yeah, I lurk there, too).
---
R!ch
If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
John M Davison
<Pine.OSF.3.91.95021...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> R!ch
<ri...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> writes:
>Hmm, have you actually compared a decent analogue recording on a decent
>turntable with the same recording on a CD player? IMNSHO, the vinyl will (in
>terms of sound quality) blow the CD away nearly (if not every) all the time.
Yeah, in the same sense that a guitar run through a fuzzbox will blow
away a straight guitar signal every time.
>I'd explain more, but this isn't rec.audio.high-end (yeah, I lurk there,
>too).
There's nothing to explain. Rich enjoys the distortion associated with
vinyl; end of story.
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Electronic Mail: davi...@ecn.purdue.edu
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Robert A. Uhl
>R!ch writes:
>
>|Hmm, have you actually compared a decent analogue recording on a decent
>|turntable with the same recording on a CD player? IMNSHO, the vinyl will
>|(in terms of sound quality) blow the CD away nearly (if not every) all
>|the time. I'd explain more, but this isn't rec.audio.high-end (yeah, I
>|lurk there, too).
>
>time, for the very simple reason that most LP's (those not made by serious
>audiophile labels) are poorly pressed on cheap, recycled vinyl. If we were
>still living in the mid-1960's when LP's were well-made, you might have an
>argument, at least for the first few times the LP was played, before it
>started losing its high frequencies (of course, a really good turntable
>will minimize this, though it will not eliminate it). But today's noisy,
>probably slightly warped LP can't compare to a CD.
Well, some fellow is working on a laser record player. Beautiful sound
quality. It blows away _everything_. I don't have one yet, but I am
looking frowars to getting my hands on one.
I believe that it is made up in Canada. I'm not sure though.
This here to please my communist news server.
This here to please my communist news server.
This here to please my communist news server.
This here to please my communist news server.
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solomon taibi
: >Dana Renee Lee (dr...@rt66.com) wrote:
: >: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
: >: OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
: >: DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
: >Do you mean "what difference does it make" as in the real world,
: >or in the world of celebrity gossip?
: As I said I knew there would be a responce from a maleSP some where in the
: group. How would you like it if someone said YOU WERE A Female in the past.
: HUMMM!!!
How do you know I wasn't? In any case I'm not a celebrity.
It doesn't matter to me if some ordinary person of my acquaintance
has had a sex change. OTOH, if some prominent individual,
Newt Gingrich for example, used to be another sex, I want to
know about it.
What is a "maleSP"? What does "patrical" mean?
Malcolm Kendall
|> Back in the '80s, I could still see some merit in the argument that LP's
|> were better than CD's; but since then the quality of CD mastering has
|> improved tremendously. If you checked out CD's ten years ago and then went
|> back to LP's without a backward glance, you might want to look again.
|> Craig
What you say about is true, but I'm still with R!ch. I look forward to the day when CD, or any commercial digital format, has anywhere near the detail of vinyl (even mediocre pressings). I have listened recently, and I'm afraid that day is still a long way off. Here's a challenge. Find a harpsichord on CD that doesn't sound like its strings are being hit with tack hammers, or a strong choral arrangement that does't sound like my mother scraping the last drop of spagetti sauce out of the pot. Frankly, I'm t
ired of this old rant. I wish someone could prove me wrong, but with CD's inadequate sampling rate, they can't.
___
How many bits does it take to fill one of these? / \
| ^^^ |
Angelo Keene
|> WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHETHER THIS PERSON HAD A SEX CHANGE
|> OR NOT. YOU ETHER LIKE THE THE MUSIC AND LISTEN TO IT OR YOU
|> DO NOT. NEXT PATRICAL REMARK PLEASE?
|>
|> DANA RENEE LEE
*sigh*
Dana,
A little less shouting would be in order here - I don't think that
this type of knee-jerk reaction to a simple question falls quite
within standard 'Netiquitte' <sic> however, YMMV.
The question was based on curiosity only, based on my admiration of the
quality of the music. If it was a matter of the artist indeed using a
pseudonym, then I would like to find out if W. Carlos
had indeed produced other works under other, alternate names, but if
not, no big deal -- there's not terribly many choices to pick from,
unless there are actually two individuals involved.
- donning asbestos suit here -
Notice that I didn't make any comment whatsoever about sexual
classification or orientation, because.... listen closely...
I DON'T CARE!! (see, I can shout too. Like it? :)
I would have just ignored your posting, but after thinking about it, I
thought that I would just make the point that you do not know my birth
sex, my current sex, my sexual orientation, or the sexual orientation of
any of my close friends and/or relatives, so what reason do you have to
categorize my question as being "patrical", unless you are having a
problem of some sort that you wish to share with the rest of us? If
you do, make sure you type that in all caps too, so I can hear it over
the noise in my killfile :).
Please try to be a little less thin-skinned in the future; more people
will be willing to listen, especially those who would normally
agree with your point of view.
mfinley
Concertos. And I always liked the program music she did for
Clockwork Orange (the original material, not used in the
final cut).
Mike Finley
St. Paul, Minnesota
mfinley
>>you're aware of anything else in it's quality band, I'd love to know about it.
>>This means no Mike Oldfield, Chariots of Fire...etc...snooze. Thanks.
>
>
an anthology with Tim Story and others. I'm very fond of Tim Story's music
-- elegiac but powerful. Philip Glass gets it right
pretty often. Koyaanisqatsi either wears on you or lulls you into
its tragic descent into human nature. A one-shot album called Double Fantasy:
Universal Avenue doesn't sound like much (the title, I mean) but I play it
often. Brian Eno's ambient records have some of the delicacy of Carlos'
work. Check out Eno/Moebius/Roedelius, aka Cluster. Terry Riley's "Rainbow
of Curved Air" is swimming stuff. David Torn and Mark Isham have done some great
synth/guitar work. Give Jon Hassell and Harold Budd a listen -- they do
very calm, sultry, hypnotic stuff.
This is what I think of as quality new age electronics. There is a ton
of annoying Mannheim Steamroller/Yanni/Hearts of Space material.
Mike Finley
St. Paul, Minnesota
John J Lawter
|>
|> Well, some fellow is working on a laser record player. Beautiful sound
|> quality. It blows away _everything_. I don't have one yet, but I am
|> looking frowars to getting my hands on one.
|>
Is that the Finial turntable you're referring to ? Last I heard, it was scrapped
as being too expensive. It's only real intended use, I think, was for archives
with record which could no longer safely be played.
Kristofer D. Dale
: But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
: _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
: -- Derek
as well as the credits for Stanley Kubrick's 'Clockwork Orange'...
--
barefoot
Nix
: In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950216...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com>,
: R!ch <ri...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> wrote:
: >ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
: >to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
: >a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
: >not sure. And no, this isn't one!
I think the distinction between a troll and flamebait is that while
flamebait is *anything* (true or false) designed to initiate flamewars,
a troll is a fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that some loony is bound
to take you seriously. This is an intentional act, like flamebaiting,
and the fact is known to be wrong by the poster; the loony who is taken
in and thinks you were serious is said to have been 'trolled'.
Woops; I think I've just been trolled. Oh well...
: >If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: ...this is a troll.
Nah, a troll's a big rocky thing that hides under bridges and leaps out
at you.
: flame flame analog weenie flame digital flame samplers flame.
You've flamed analogue sound and digital sound... what's left?
--
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'There's only one thing wrong with Windows; the kernel.'
mfinley
Then why do you go by "Gregory"? =)
mathias thallmayer
> The only difference I can detect in the music is that on
> the older albums, Walter could play 21 simultaneous notes, but
> on the newer albums Wendy can only play 20.
Actually, Wendy can play 22, the last two being over an octave apart.
And with some added pressure can get two tone clusters or keyboard smears.
> Yes, I should be ashamed of myself.
I'm not.
--
Mathias
Sugimoto
: : flame flame analog weenie flame digital flame samplers flame.
: You've flamed analogue sound and digital sound... what's left?
Silence.
--
Mike "Phloem" Sugimoto | "We are dreamers, shapers, singers, makers." -Elric
sugi...@cuug.ab.ca | Writer, musician, gweep, cyclist, theater geek,
"Thank you very much, | Pope of the Church of Sarah McLachlan, DOOM
ya putz." -Shadow | Deathmatch rocket fodder and general Weird Guy.
Kenneth Leong
Flame retardant ON:
What year were you born?
Flame retardant OFF:
Kenny L.
Ronald Pieket Weeser
Re: Wendy Carlos' "Beauty in the Beast"
Where can this be got from? I've been looking for it for years. Never
found a single copy. (In the UK or US)
Is it on a private label perhaps, or mail order only?
Any ideas? (Or better: any addresses or telephone numbers - UK
if possible)
- Ronald.
James Goetz u
: The Color and the Surge (mu...@iii1.iii.net) wrote:
: : In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950216...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com>,
: : R!ch <ri...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> wrote:
: : >ObAFC: WTF is a Troll? I've looked it up in the Yellow Book, but
: : >to no avail. At a guess (from contexts I've seen the term in), it's
: : >a posting designed to wind people up (similar to Flame Bait?), but I'm
: : >not sure. And no, this isn't one!
:
: I think the distinction between a troll and flamebait is that while
: flamebait is *anything* (true or false) designed to initiate flamewars,
: a troll is a fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that some loony is bound
: to take you seriously. This is an intentional act, like flamebaiting,
: and the fact is known to be wrong by the poster; the loony who is taken
: in and thinks you were serious is said to have been 'trolled'.
You have this all wrong. Intentionally posting something to a
notesfile that is in fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that anyone
who takes it seriously looks like a bozo is called "fishing".
Trolling is simply a post that is a request for information that does
not exist, esp. one with spelling mistakes in it.
=O.| fled
=O
:---
: Windows Terminal - aptly describes Windows in two words.
: 'There's only one thing wrong with Windows; the kernel.'
What's wrong with Bill Gates - kernel of Microsft Corp? You're just
jealous because his house is on a lake and yours is in a trailer park.
mfinley
>
>In article <drlee.128...@rt66.com> dr...@rt66.com (Dana Renee Lee) writes:
>>
>>As I said I knew there would be a responce from a maleSP some where in the
>>group. How would you like it if someone said YOU WERE A Female in the past.
>>HUMMM!!!
>
> whether either you, Wendy, or Liz Carmicheal were ever male, female,
> or undecided in the past. The only time this would be of interest
> is if the point of view changed from that of a longtime fan of the
> music, personal acquaintance, close associate, or whatever--as
> opposed to a 'close personal relationship'.
>>
> However, Wendy/Walter is a human being, and humans, male, female,
> both, or neither, have this quaint interest in personal details of
> celebrities, be they Turing, Liszt, Mozart, whomever.
>
>
I agree. If it's intersting that Beethoven was deaf, it's interesting
that Carlos had a sex change.
mathias thallmayer
Carlos' last album, Switched-On Bach 2000 (the 25th anniversary re-recorded
version), was released by Telarc.
Columbia is now owned by Sony. They have released an audiophile edition
of SOB (see my earlier post). Maybe Sony will treat Carlos better than
Columbia did. RCA certainly did a better job with their Tomita re-issues.
Maybe we should start a letter campaign to lobby for her catalog to be
remastered/re-released in a unified format.
--
Mathias
R!ch
I was born in 1967; I used to have a CD player, believing all that marketroid
bullshit (Perfect Sound Forever), until I heard what a real hifi sounds like.
Comparing vinyl to CD is a bit like comparing MESSY-DOS/Windoze to a real OS
(like UNIX, for example): most people think the former is better, coz that's
what the marketing machinery sez; when the reality is completely different.
Yeah, OK, CDs are more convinient, but I buy records for the music & *sound
quality*; here, as a rule, vinyl wins hands down.
Wow! Not a flame in sight! :-)
---
R!ch
If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
Angelo Keene
|> I just hope it wasn't on Audion (sp?), the same label as "Beauty..." They
|> produced something on the order of 18 albums before going under. They are
|> collectors items at this point. I was kicking myself when I found that out,
|> since I had the CD and album, and discovered that my wife sold the album
|> version to a used record shop along with some of our other old records that
|> had been just taking up space...
|>
I'll have to check it out... just from memory, I believe that
all of my albums are from the "Columbia" label. These are
the ones I have so far - from following this discussion, it
looks like I have a ways to go before getting a complete set
of W. Carlos' stuff.
Switched on Bach I
Switched on Bach II
The Well-Tempered Synthesizer
Sonic Seasonings
Walter Carlos - By Request
Beauty In The Beast
I also have Synergy's "Cords" album, as well as a very old cassette copy of
"Audion". I'll have to look and see what label produced that one.
p.s. alt.folklore.computers trimmed from the newsgroups.
Angelo
Cornel Huth
>I was born in 1967; I used to have a CD player, believing all that marketroid
>bullshit (Perfect Sound Forever), until I heard what a real hifi sounds like.
What you hear is what you like, so be it. I've found many a CD that is
poorly done. Good ones are, well, as good as sound is going to get in
a "home". Take METALLICA (Electra 961113-2) -- superb! No way you
can get 120dB from anything but a CD, not unless you can somehow isolate
your turntable from sound waves strong enough to make hard disks sing.
Now, take TUBULAR BELLS (Virgin 2-90589). Almost as bad as the vinyl
version (yuck!). TB2 (Reprise 945041-2) is better, but still not as
clean as Metallica's. In other words, CD is the medium that gives you
the best medium (WRT vinyl and cassette), but if the mastering is poor,
so is the sound.
>Comparing vinyl to CD is a bit like comparing MESSY-DOS/Windoze to a real OS
>(like UNIX, for example): most people think the former is better, coz that's
>what the marketing machinery sez; when the reality is completely different.
Heh. I suppose since most net-talk is computer-speak, it follows, but
you really aren't supporting your side by this. At least, not effectively.
>Yeah, OK, CDs are more convinient, but I buy records for the music & *sound
>quality*; here, as a rule, vinyl wins hands down.
You haven't done much travelling/moving. After a few moves, vinyl gets
a "new" sound all over again. I'd never buy vinyl again. I've even
have retired the turntable to "system #2", using it only for those rare
cases where I'll listen to anything!
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DLA...@news.delphi.com
The CD is by Audion - JEM # SYCD 200
the Vinal Audion - JEM # SYN 200
The PROBLEM is that JEM went ''under''
Yes I do have both
No - I will NOT sell
I do NOT know which is better
Jay C Jachimiak
> Nix (cs9...@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
> : The Color and the Surge (mu...@iii1.iii.net) wrote:
> : I think the distinction between a troll and flamebait is that while
> : flamebait is *anything* (true or false) designed to initiate flamewars,
> : a troll is a fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that some loony is bound
> : to take you seriously. This is an intentional act, like flamebaiting,
> : and the fact is known to be wrong by the poster; the loony who is taken
> : in and thinks you were serious is said to have been 'trolled'.
>
> You have this all wrong. Intentionally posting something to a
> notesfile that is in fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that anyone
> who takes it seriously looks like a bozo is called "fishing".
>
> Trolling is simply a post that is a request for information that does
> not exist, esp. one with spelling mistakes in it.
Does anybody have any examples of posts containing spelling mistakes
that do not exist, or know anyone who does?
-Jay
jay...@panix.com in NYC
the "c" stands for "charisma"
khc...@solution.maths.unsw.edu.au
: Lon Stowell writes:
: |In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950216...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> R!ch <ri...@blackdeath.isltd.insignia.com> writes:
: |
: |>If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
: |
: | On the audio groups where the professional designers and recording
: | engineers lurk, that statement would be a troll.'
: No, it would just be flamebait. Don't dignify such rubbish by calling it
: a troll.
After reading the various post on this subject, I would be inclined to
agree that this is merely flamebait... after all, everybody knows that
_real_ music is either live (and acoustic) or sheet music :-).
Cheers,
Kin Hoong
James Goetz u
: goet...@mach1.wlu.ca (James Goetz u) wrote:
: > You have this all wrong. Intentionally posting something to a
: > notesfile that is in fact so blatantly, obviously wrong that anyone
: > who takes it seriously looks like a bozo is called "fishing".
: >
: > Trolling is simply a post that is a request for information that does
: > not exist, esp. one with spelling mistakes in it.
:
: Does anybody have any examples of posts containing spelling mistakes
: that do not exist, or know anyone who does?
This may be a waste of bandwith, and I apoligize for the thousands of
dollars it will cost to store it on millions of machines around the
world, but here is all 143 articles that I have that are examples of
posts containing spelling mistakes that do not exist:
=O.| fled
=O
----snip---
Lon Stowell
>It doesn't matter to me if some ordinary person of my acquaintance
>has had a sex change. OTOH, if some prominent individual,
>Newt Gingrich for example, used to be another sex, I want to
>know about it.
He used to be known as "Butch" Grinrich before his operation...and
the spelling is "Neut" Gingrich, now.
Lon Stowell
>She did a creditable electronic version ofthe Brandenburg
>Concertos. And I always liked the program music she did for
>Clockwork Orange (the original material, not used in the
>final cut).
>
Is this really any better, objectively, than Switched On Bach
and the remake thereof? Both albums have their good moments, but
I mainly keep them for "historical" interest. If I want good
electronic--classical music to show off, I'm much more likely
to use BachBusters by Dorsey.
As far as soundtracks, Tron was 'technically interesting', but
on the whole, I prefer Highlander--by some real musicians.
Reid Kneeland
In article <3i36ta$t...@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> gop...@bnr.ca (Malcolm Kendall) writes:
>
>|> Back in the '80s, I could still see some merit in the argument that LP's
>|> were better than CD's; but since then the quality of CD mastering has
>|> improved tremendously.
As have the D/A converters in CD players, at least the better ones, and
that's where I think most of the trouble with CDs lie. It's revolting
how many home CD players still have analog sections with
ghetto-blaster-quality parts, as if only the bits mattered.
>What you say about is true, but I'm still with R!ch. I look forward to
>the day when CD, or any commercial digital format, has anywhere near
>the detail of vinyl (even mediocre pressings). I have listened
>recently, and I'm afraid that day is still a long way off.
I'm inclined to agree, but do keep in mind that most people who have
switched to CDs exclusively and who hate vinyl 1) listen mostly to
electric/electronic instruments, where altered tone quality is much
harder to detect, 2) have never heard a high-end analog system, and 3)
while they had their turntables, never washed their records, changed or
even cleaned their styli, or kept their tonearms in adjustment. For
the typical person on a small budget who doesn't want to put in a lot
of effort, CDs are a better choice. I do agree that the best analog
I've heard does sound more natural than the best digital, though.
>How many bits does it take to fill one of these? / \
> | ^^^ |
> Malcolm Kendall | ||| |
> | |-| |
> | RCA |
> | |-| |
> \|||/
> |___|
> |||
More than 16 at 44Khz, that's for sure.
=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
re...@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...
Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Malcolm Kendall
|> ___
|> >How many bits does it take to fill one of these? / \
|> > | ^^^ |
|> > Malcolm Kendall | ||| |
|> > | |-| |
|> > | RCA |
|> > | |-| |
|> > \|||/
|> > |___|
|> > |||
|>
|> More than 16 at 44Khz, that's for sure.
Amen.
DLA...@news.delphi.com
also on vinal by W. Carlos ''secrets of synthesis''
CBS # 42333
Richard N. Turner
He/She had the surgery in the '70s. I remember reading an interview with
Wendy in Playboy back then. I think it was the same issue that got Jimmy
Carter into trouble (the infamous comment about having committed adultery
"in my heart").
--
RNT
Greg Limes
| Hmm, have you actually compared a decent analogue recording on a decent turntable
| with the same recording on a CD player? IMNSHO, the vinyl will (in terms of
| sound quality) blow the CD away nearly (if not every) all the time.
I'm glad there are recordings that sound better on your $10,000 turntable
than they do on my $250 CD player.
Now about all those recordings that sound better on my $250 CD player
than they did on my old $500 turntable ...
[does this count as flamebait or troll?]
--
-- Greg Limes li...@3do.com, li...@netcom.com
"Your reality check is in the E-mail"
Not speaking for my employer, of course
PGP key available on request
Ronald Pieket Weeser
> Yes I do have both
> No - I will NOT sell
<<<sulk>>>
- Ronald.
Angelo Keene
|>
|> > I'll have to check it out... just from memory, I believe that
|> > all of my albums are from the "Columbia" label. These are
|> > the ones I have so far - from following this discussion, it
|> > looks like I have a ways to go before getting a complete set
|> > of W. Carlos' stuff.
|> > Switched on Bach I
|> > Switched on Bach II
|> > The Well-Tempered Synthesizer
|> > Sonic Seasonings
|> > Walter Carlos - By Request
|> > Beauty In The Beast
You're right. I checked last night... I have "Digital Moonscapes" and the
"Clockwork Orange" album as well.
Angelo
RandyMan
(Richard N. Turner) wrote:
> >: But as I recall, Wendy Carlos began life as Walter Carlos. (see the old
> >: _Switched-On Bach_ albums)
>
> He/She had the surgery in the '70s. I remember reading an interview with
> Wendy in Playboy back then. I think it was the same issue that got Jimmy
> Carter into trouble (the infamous comment about having committed adultery
> "in my heart").
>
Au contraire, mon ami - different issue; there's only one Playboy
Interview per month.
I owe Wendy a lot - she has been (and continues to be) a tremendous
inspiration to me. I initially investigated (and eventually graduated
from) Brown University after reading she had attended; I wound up giving
synth lessons to one of her professors, Ron Nelson.
I believe one can gain a little insight into her experience by studying
her score for the Disney movie "Tron." There are moments of conflict
between a dominating, ruthless (masculine?) motive for the Master Control
Program and a gentler, intuitive, more feminine theme - the former
mercilessly batters and crushes the latter. This may mirror some of the
struggle that was taking place within her psyche during earlier life as
Walter.
I met her briefly during the '93 MacWorld in Boston. I think, however,
that she's a very private person and that I imposed on her by introducing
myself - she was wearing her MacWorld badge backwards (to obscure the name
- Tom Clancy did the same thing when I saw him at the same trade show.)
Wendy, if you're out there, sorry about that and thanks for all the great
work. Looking forward to your next...
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Travhf vf n jbeq crbcyr hfr gb qvfgnapr gurzfryirf
sebz gur erfcbafvovyvgl gb or nznmvat.
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Randy Walters - rand...@ids.net, rwal...@gtech.com
john papiewski
: In article <9502242352591...@delphi.com>, rnt...@delphi.com
: (Richard N. Turner) wrote:
: **************************************************
Yeah, when I was about ten, I remember my dad bringing home
"Well-Tempered Synthesizer" and being completely dazzled by it. I spent
the next six years building homebrew analog synthesizers. Then I taught
myself programming, which led to my computer career.... (insert heavy
sigh). Still amazes me how much emusic info I carry around in my head.
Got just about all the Carlos albums, and I gotta question about that... doesn't seem
like a couple of my favorites, "Well-Tempered", and "Walter Carlos'
Clockwork Orange" are on CD. Yeah, the Warner Brothers Clockwork Orange
soundtrack is widely available on CD, but the versions of Timesteps and
the Beethoven's 9th choral stuff are different. Would like to replace my
beatup vinyl LP's !
So if anybody knows if there's a source for these Walter/Wendy Carlos
recordings on CD, let me know pleeze! I recently spent thirty bucks on a
special issue "Switched On Bach" CD. Gold plated and special packaging.
What I found was very curious was they reproduced the original album
notes by Ben Folkman, 'cept they changed all the references to "Walter"
to "Wendy", and "he" to "she", etc. It was strangely meticulous - they
even used the same old typeface as was used on the original.
Sexual/Historical revisionism???
Oh, and here's a bit of trivia:
On the S-O-B album cover , a man in a Bach suit is holding a pair of
earphones plugged into the Moog, um, model 3-P. What would he hear if it
was turned on???
Answer: SSSSSSSSSSS (white sound source).
RandyMan
(Reid Kneeland) wrote:
> In article <D4HC...@cix.compulink.co.uk> ron...@cix.compulink.co.uk
("Ronald Pieket Weeser") writes:
>
> >Switched on Bach 2 does not exist.
>
> It certainly does, though it may not be available on CD.
>
> >Titles that come close are: ... Switched on Bach 2000
>
> Hmmm... could be different names in the UK - SOB2 had (among other
> things) Sheep May Safely Graze and the 5th Brandenburg.
>
> Did Weny/Walter ever record the D Minor Toccata and Fugue? I'll bet
>
If memory serves correctly, what you're referring to as "SOB II" may have
been titled "The Well-Tempered Synthesizer," at least here in the USA.
A killer version of the D minor Toccata + Fuhue appears on SOB 2000.
Eric Frampton
>("Ronald Pieket Weeser") writes:
>>
>> >Switched on Bach 2 does not exist.
>>
>> It certainly does, though it may not be available on CD.
>>
>> >Titles that come close are: ... Switched on Bach 2000
SOB-II _does_ indeed exist as surely as I'm sitting here staring at my
copy of it. It was not, however, released on CD. "SOB 2000" is a different
album entirely, and "The Well-Tempered Synthesizer" is also a different
album.
Does anybody know if W. Carlos has an online address? Also does anybody
know if Columbia/Sony/whoeverthefucktheyarenow has any plans to release
the rest of the W. Carlos catalog on disc? I'm slowly wearing out my DAT
copy of my vinyl copy of Sonic Seasonings...
And I never even got a chance to hear "Beauty In The Beast" before
JEM/Audion went under.
:-(
-Eric
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mathias thallmayer
>If memory serves correctly, what you're referring to as "SOB II" may have
>been titled "The Well-Tempered Synthesizer," at least here in the USA.
No, SOB II is not WTS.
SOB came out (no pun intended) in 68. Then WTS, Clockwork, Sonic Seasonings.
SOB II came out in 73.
SWITCHED-ON BACH II
Columbia Masterworks, KM 32659.
c. 1973
Selections from Suite No.2 in B Minor, BWV 1067
Two-Part Invention in A Minor, BWV 784
Two-Part Invention in A Major, BWV 783
"Sheep May Safely Graze" from Cantata No. 208, BWV 208
Suite from Anna Magdalena Notebook
Musette in D Major, Anh. 216
Minuet in G Major, Anh.114
"Bist du bei mir", BWV 508
Marche in D Major, Anh. 122
Brandenburg Concerto No.5 in D Major, BWV 1050
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RandyMan
mat...@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) wrote:
> RandyMan (rwal...@gtech.com) wrote:
> >If memory serves correctly, what you're referring to as "SOB II" may have
> >been titled "The Well-Tempered Synthesizer," at least here in the USA.
>
>
> No, SOB II is not WTS.
>
You are correct, sir!
I stand edified.
Rob Martino
great (all I had was the tape, pretty worn out too). I think
this, along with her work like Timesteps, Digital Moonscapes, etc.
as what electronic music is all about...expanding sonic
and compositional boundaries while still being "musical".
If only the orignal Walter Carlos Clockwork Orange and
Tron were on CD!!! I'd love to get those.
Are there any other artists who use electronics to accomplish
innovative music? I'm not into the algorithmic composition,
math formula type of academic stuff, which is insteresting
but just not musical to me. I don't really like New Age
relaxation type of music either.
Please email replies...thanks. I'll post a summary
Rob
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Rob Martino
Cabletron Systems, Inc.
Rochester, New Hampshire, USA
M_Burton
media besides the video Tron? Someone mentioned the score, is it
available? Thanks for any pointers.
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Jeff Mercer
M>Speaking of the music from Tron, is it available on any form of audio
M>media besides the video Tron? Someone mentioned the score, is it
M>available? Thanks for any pointers.
Yes, they did publish the Tron soundtrack/score. It's available in vinyl and
tape form (no CD's back then).
HOWEVER, it is no longer published. You can't just go out and order a copy.
In fact, your chances of finding a new copy (at least in the US) are virtually
nill.
I spent *years* searching Gainesville's used record stores for a copy (either
record or tape, I didn't care). I found one once, but didn't have the money
to get it (the jerk-off wanted 20 bucks for it when it was labeled as 10
cents, and had been sitting in a pile on the floor).
I finally did find a copy at a place called Sharpe's. It was unusual to find
it there, as the guy specialized primarily in Jazz, big band, and oldies
music. Ah well.
Anyways, check all of your local used record stores, looking in the sound
track bins. The best places will be those that have large collections of
vinyl.
(And no, I can't make a copy of the record for anyone... I don't have a
bloody turntable that works! Grrowl!)
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Jean-Yves Bernier
A PDP11/60 was used by the Groupe de Recherches Musicales in Paris, around
1980-85. A couple of stereophonic AD/DA was interfaced to a DR-11. Sounds
were recorded on 70Mb RP02's, processed by FORTRAN programs, and played
back to tape.
Later, J.F.Allouis engineered a Unibus real-time processing board and
software, called SYTER. Then a Q-bus version was derived and marketed. Main
customers were music schools (Conservatoires) as well as research
institutes (Laboratoire d'Acoustique et Mecanique, Marseille, J.C.Risset).
Musicians at the Groupe de Recherches Musicales used SYTER widely in their
Musique Concrete production, as many records attest.
WHen I left the Groupe, parts of this work had been ported on the Mac/56000
platform. Parts were lost.
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