Yanni
dao
HS
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Kim S. Hansen
Kim
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Dfrankjazz
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Dr.Matt
>Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
3 Questions.
1) Why are you posting to rec.music.classical?
2) What makes you think anybody cares about Yanni?
3) Why should anybody care about Larry King when Larry hasn't
given James Randi a fair chance to explain what's wrong with Sylvia
Browne's and John Edward's charlatanism?
--
Matthew H. Fields http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound
Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
Thomas Seay
wrote:
> Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
>
>
Reminds me of the classic New Yorker cartoon:
Dentist, talking to patient in the chair, asks patient:
"Okay, what'll it be? Novacaine or Yanni?"
--
Tom Seay
The University of Texas at Austin
You are only young once, but you can remain immature indefinitely.
Alex Temple
>
> Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
I often like to say that "good music" is a meaningless phrase because
you have to specify, "good at what." In this case, I assume you mean
"good at raising the suicide rate."
--
Alex Temple
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http://www.isomerica.net/~electricwalrus
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Cabeza Borradora
>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
YANNI IS SO PUNK.
--
"Flames are discouraged, except for those which quote famous (or
not-so- famous) Stooge lines. For example, it would be acceptable to
threaten to 'tear out your tonsils' or to 'gouge your eyes out'."
- alt.comedy.slapstick.3-stooges FAQ
Jim Trousdale
with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
non-musicians?
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Dave Platt
Alex Temple <fiber_opt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I often like to say that "good music" is a meaningless phrase because
>you have to specify, "good at what." In this case, I assume you mean
>"good at raising the suicide rate."
Only if he decides to compose a musical rendition of Vogon poetry.
--
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Bonnie Granat
"Dr. David Tholen" <tho...@nospam.ham> wrote in message
news:3f125f2a$0$82802$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> In rec.music.classical Jim Trousdale <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> > If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet
agrees
> > with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
> > non-musicians?
>
>
> I love Yanni!
>
> And I'm a real musician: I play a bass clarinet.
>
> Yanni is one of the most sophisticated composers around.
>
> He's a misunderstood genius, like me!
Wasn't there one song of his a while back that wasn't trite?
--
___________________________________
Bonnie Granat
Granat Editorial Services
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Dr.Matt
Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
>HS come on down:
>
>>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
>
>YANNI IS SO PUNK.
The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
Dr.Matt
Bonnie Granat <bgr...@editors-writers.info> wrote:
>
>"Dr. David Tholen" <tho...@nospam.ham> wrote in message
>news:3f125f2a$0$82802$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> In rec.music.classical Jim Trousdale <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> > If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet
>agrees
>> > with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>> > non-musicians?
>>
>> Hi! Excitement!
>>
>> I love Yanni!
>>
>> And I'm a real musician: I play a bass clarinet.
>>
>> Yanni is one of the most sophisticated composers around.
>>
>> He's a misunderstood genius, like me!
>
>Wasn't there one song of his a while back that wasn't trite?
>
Maybe it was a cover?
Peter T. Daniels
>
> In article <rde4hvsus6givi1gi...@4ax.com>,
> Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
> >HS come on down:
> >
> >>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
> >
> >YANNI IS SO PUNK.
>
> The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
At least his is kept somewhat neat.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Dr.Matt
Nicolai P. Zwar
> Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
--
Nicolai Zwar
http://www.nicolaizwar.com
(we're late, we know, and we're still closed)
Carrie
news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> dao wrote:
> > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
>
> That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
>
dare I ask...
Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
What does he play?
--
Carrie, Midnight and Twilight
www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons
http://community.webshots.com/user/carriephlyons
www.lyonsmusic.co.uk
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Carrie wrote:
> "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> > dao wrote:
> > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> >
> > That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> > it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
> >
>
> dare I ask...
> Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> What does he play?
He has a lot of long curly hair. He has an album recorded at the
Acropolis. And he is frequently mentioned at the dental newsgroup.
I think that's all you need to know.
Steve
>
>
> --
> Carrie, Midnight and Twilight
> www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons
> http://community.webshots.com/user/carriephlyons
> www.lyonsmusic.co.uk
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Dr.Matt
Peter T. Daniels
>
> Carrie wrote:
>
> > "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> > > dao wrote:
> > > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> > >
> > > That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> > > it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
> > >
> >
> > dare I ask...
> > Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> > known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> > What does he play?
>
> He has a lot of long curly hair. He has an album recorded at the
> Acropolis. And he is frequently mentioned at the dental newsgroup.
> I think that's all you need to know.
And he does children's music, no?
Why would the dentists talk about him?
Jack Hamilton
>If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>non-musicians?
So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
population consists of non-musicians.
--
Jack Hamilton
j...@acm.org
If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay
pTooner
> "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
>
>>dao wrote:
>>
>>>Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
>>
>>That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
>>it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
>>
>
>
> dare I ask...
> Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> What does he play?
>
He's Kenny Gee with a keyboard.
gerry
Cabeza Borradora
>If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>non-musicians?
And this matters because?
Karthik Subramanian
> > dare I ask...
> > Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> > known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is
he?
> > What does he play?
>
> He has a lot of long curly hair. He has an album recorded at the
> Acropolis. And he is frequently mentioned at the dental newsgroup.
> I think that's all you need to know.
>
Oh then he played at the Taj mahal and didnt allow a single Indian on the
stage, the set, sound..nothing. Pretty much lost a billion listeners (not
fans) that day.to work. Imagine if Saddam hussain were to grow out his hair
and work out a lil.....thats Yanni.....almost equally devious.
Karthik
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
I'm guessing you are referring to Raffi, who provokes an almost scary level of
devotion from children. He seems harmless enough. Of course, so did Barney.
This dentist doesn't talk much about Yanni. The only reason I've heard about
him is that perhaps 10-15 years ago, one of the networks broadcasting the Tour de
France used some of his music. Of course, they also used John Tesh, who is an
avid cyclist and was at the time one of the commentators.
That's pretty scary too, now that I think of it.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
H. Emmerson Meyers
greats is not a fair or appropriate analogy. He should be compared to other
contemporary American pop musicians. If you compare him to that group
(rappers, rockers et. all), Yanni deserves a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
"HS" <h...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Alex Temple
>
> Yanni is a pop musician. Comparing him to Bach, Beethoven, or even to jazz
> greats is not a fair or appropriate analogy. He should be compared to other
> contemporary American pop musicians. If you compare him to that group
> (rappers, rockers et. all), Yanni deserves a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
>
John Norfolk
> Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
Yanni is nothing compared to Vangelis. And I do like Yanni's music, at
least his early music, before he turned into the Liberace of New Age.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
dao wrote:
>
> Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
To make a post like that here, you MUST be a troll!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>
> In article <3F1297...@worldnet.att.net>,
> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >Dr.Matt wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <rde4hvsus6givi1gi...@4ax.com>,
> >> Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
> >> >HS come on down:
> >> >
> >> >>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
> >> >
> >> >YANNI IS SO PUNK.
> >>
> >> The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
> >
> >At least his is kept somewhat neat.
> >--
> >Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
>
> Wow, you're just a bundle of jilted energy today, Peter.
Silly question, but do you guys actually KNOW each other? In the "real"
world? If not, how can Peter possibly know anything about Dr. Matt's
hair-style? (Or even whether he HAS one - a lot of men become bald at
an early age.)
Jerry Kohl
> Yanni is a pop musician. Comparing him to Bach, Beethoven, or even to jazz
> greats is not a fair or appropriate analogy. He should be compared to other
> contemporary American pop musicians.
He's American, then? I thought he was Greek.
> If you compare him to that group
> (rappers, rockers et. all), Yanni deserves a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
Everyone seems to agree on that, at least. (Is that 10 high, or 10 low?)
--
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnakat."
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
> "Jim Trousdale" <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
> >with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
> >non-musicians?
>
> So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
> population consists of non-musicians.
But not (one hopes) the "population" of the newsgroups targeted by the
OP!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Carrie wrote:
>
> "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> > dao wrote:
> > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> >
> > That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> > it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
> >
>
> dare I ask...
> Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> What does he play?
A "popular" entertainer whom you folks in the UK have apparently been
spared. I forget whether he's the one who plays the pan-pipes, or the
almost-violinist - pure saccharine, in any case. (I suggest you keep
the antacid tablets handy, if you listen.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
"H. Emmerson Meyers" wrote:
>
> Yanni is a pop musician. Comparing him to Bach, Beethoven, or even to jazz
> greats is not a fair or appropriate analogy. He should be compared to other
> contemporary American pop musicians. If you compare him to that group
> (rappers, rockers et. all), Yanni deserves a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
He also does NOT "deserve" mention on a classical music newsgroup!
Michael Haslam
>"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>
>
>>In article <3F1297...@worldnet.att.net>,
>>Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dr.Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <rde4hvsus6givi1gi...@4ax.com>,
>>>>Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HS come on down:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>YANNI IS SO PUNK.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>At least his is kept somewhat neat.
>>>--
>>>Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
>>>
>>>
>>Wow, you're just a bundle of jilted energy today, Peter.
>>
>>
>
>Silly question, but do you guys actually KNOW each other? In the "real"
>world? If not, how can Peter possibly know anything about Dr. Matt's
>hair-style? (Or even whether he HAS one - a lot of men become bald at
>an early age.)
>
>
There is, or was, a photo of Matt on his website. I consider it rather
bad form of Peter to make personal comments about Matt's appearance
without offering a photo of himself so we can take cheap potshots at
him, too. I could guess what Peter looks like, but is the moustache
black, grey or white?
I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of *me* on
the web.
MJHaslam
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
> Carrie wrote:
> >
> > "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> > > dao wrote:
> > > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> > >
> > > That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> > > it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
> > >
> >
> > dare I ask...
> > Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> > known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> > What does he play?
>
> A "popular" entertainer whom you folks in the UK have apparently been
> spared. I forget whether he's the one who plays the pan-pipes, or the
> almost-violinist - pure saccharine, in any case. (I suggest you keep
> the antacid tablets handy, if you listen.)
>
I'm a little hesitant to let you know I know this, but I think the pan pipe
guy is named something like Zamfir. It's a one-name kinda thing.
Steve
>
> >
> > --
> > Carrie, Midnight and Twilight
> > www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/carriephlyons
> > www.lyonsmusic.co.uk
--
Dr.Matt
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>>
>> In article <3F1297...@worldnet.att.net>,
>> Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >Dr.Matt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <rde4hvsus6givi1gi...@4ax.com>,
>> >> Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
>> >> >HS come on down:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
>> >> >
>> >> >YANNI IS SO PUNK.
>> >>
>> >> The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
>> >
>> >At least his is kept somewhat neat.
>> >--
>> >Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
>>
>> Wow, you're just a bundle of jilted energy today, Peter.
>
>Silly question, but do you guys actually KNOW each other? In the "real"
>world? If not, how can Peter possibly know anything about Dr. Matt's
>hair-style? (Or even whether he HAS one - a lot of men become bald at
>an early age.)
There's a picture of me with my hair tied behind my back at my home page--
it's a lower-resolution instance of the image inside the booklet of my
first CD. You can't see much about my hair from the photo, though you might
jump to conclusions on the basis of the way the light catches my beard
in that photo, I dunno. I wouldn't claim to know Peter by any means.
Jerry Kohl
Evidently no one here speaks net-German. Take a look at the OP's
"identity", then look here:
<http://www.uwe-stoeckert.de/usenet/spezial.htm>
Jerry Kohl
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > dao wrote:
> > >
> > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> >
> > To make a post like that here, you MUST be a troll!
>
> Evidently no one here speaks net-German. Take a look at the OP's
> "identity", then look here:
>
> <http://www.uwe-stoeckert.de/usenet/spezial.htm>
>
No German? Then try:
<http://www.rumil.de/faq/comment.html>
Gene Ward Smith
>Yanni is a pop musician. Comparing him to Bach, Beethoven, or even to jazz
>greats is not a fair or appropriate analogy. He should be compared to other
>contemporary American pop musicians. If you compare him to that group
>(rappers, rockers et. all), Yanni deserves a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
I think a fair comparison would be to Muzak.
Jack Hamilton
>
>
>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> "Jim Trousdale" <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>> >with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>> >non-musicians?
>>
>> So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
>> population consists of non-musicians.
>
>But not (one hopes) the "population" of the newsgroups targeted by the
>OP!
Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
MooJoo
>
>
You've obviously forgetten about Zamphier, Master of the Pan Pipes!
Until you've heard In-na-gadda-da-vida on the pan pipes, you've haven't
lived!
--
There are no stupid questions,
but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Cabeza Borradora
>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> "Jim Trousdale" <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>>> >with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>>> >non-musicians?
>>>
>>> So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
>>> population consists of non-musicians.
>>
>>But not (one hopes) the "population" of the newsgroups targeted by the
>>OP!
>
>Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
One wonders how you would classify Merzbow.
Jack Hamilton
>Jack Hamilton come on down:
>
>>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Jim Trousdale" <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>>>> >with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>>>> >non-musicians?
>>>>
>>>> So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
>>>> population consists of non-musicians.
>>>
>>>But not (one hopes) the "population" of the newsgroups targeted by the
>>>OP!
>>
>>Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>>musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>
>One wonders how you would classify Merzbow.
Does he create music, or just noise? The line between aleatoric music
and noise can be difficult to draw, but to me, the samples from "1930"
on amazon.com sounded like noise.
Can his work be performed and reinterpreted by other artists while still
retaining its identity? Can he perform the music of others in a way
that makes it his own? If neither of those conditions is true, I
wouldn't say he's a musician.
H. Emmerson Meyers
as popular music nowadays.
"Gene Ward Smith" <gws...@svpal.org> wrote in message
news:bevni6$f0p$2...@borg.svpal.org...
H. Emmerson Meyers
Jesus. Has anyone else ever considered this??
"MooJoo" <flossy@bobbsy_twins.com> wrote in message
news:flossy-8EE1C0....@netnews.attbi.com...
Alex Temple
>
> >One wonders how you would classify Merzbow.
>
> Does he create music, or just noise? The line between aleatoric music
> and noise can be difficult to draw, but to me, the samples from "1930"
> on amazon.com sounded like noise.
It's musical noise.
> Can his work be performed and reinterpreted by other artists while still
> retaining its identity? Can he perform the music of others in a way
> that makes it his own? If neither of those conditions is true, I
> wouldn't say he's a musician.
That's a pretty limited conception of a musician. It excludes, say,
Pierre Schaeffer, or Morton Subotnick.
Jerry Kohl
> I think one of the reasons Yanni is so popular is because he looks like
> Jesus. Has anyone else ever considered this??
You've seen Jesus?! I mean, lately?? 8-)
Carrie
> I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of *me* on
> the web.
>
> MJHaslam
>
YOu going to tell us where it is so we can all take a look?
Nicolai P. Zwar
> "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
>
>>dao wrote:
>>
>>
>>it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
>>
>
>
> dare I ask...
> Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> What does he play?
Even though I know who he is, I must admit that I know very very little
of his actual output. Too little to make any comments. From the little
stuff I have heard, I would categorize him in the New Age keyboard
section, if there is such a thing.
--
Nicolai Zwar
http://www.nicolaizwar.com
(we're late, we know, and we're still closed)
John Brock
Dr. David Tholen <tho...@nospam.ham> wrote:
>Hi! Excitement!
>
>In rec.music.classical Carrie <carriephl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> dare I ask...
>> Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
>> known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
>
>
>> What does he play?
>
>He's a composer-conductor, I think.
>
>I saw him on TV once, playing in some cozy outdoor Greek ruins.
>He introduced one piece as being a bit "light"! Even he knows
>the deal. But people enjoy it. I guess he's the Muzak-maker of
>orchestral music. That's how to describe his work.
I'm not sure why it's so popular to hate Yanni. I have a CD of
his, and while he is not even the best "New Age" pianist around
he's hardly the worst (John Tesh is certainly worse -- although I
have to say I get a kick out of the whole low rent Renaissance Man
thing he has going. He's a pianist! He's a composer! He's a
sportscaster! He's a TV gossip show host!). I think Yanni attracts
hostility because he comes across as pretentious, as though he
thinks his music is more than it is, which is basicly pleasant and
harmless.
>In rec.music.classical Nicolai P. Zwar <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> dao wrote:
>> > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
>>
>> That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
>> it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
>
>Regarding John Tesh...
>
>http://www.s-t.com/daily/07-96/07-29-96/d01sp082.htm
>#
># True story -- Tesh was speaking somewhere, and a group of
># picketers gathered outside, carrying signs that said Tesh
># was an alien.
>#
># Everyone thought it was pretty funny, except the picketers,
># I guess.
>#
># Tesh got wind of this, and undoubtedly smelling a photo-op,
># went out to talk to them.
>#
># They dropped their signs and fled.
>
>
>I have to go jack into our new telescope here in Hawaii, toodles.
Who ARE you, and what have you done with Dave Tholen???????
--
John Brock
jbr...@panix.com
Dr.Matt
I think the ire is not directed at Yanni but rather at the folks
who misrepresent him as a great classical or progressive musician.
pTooner
>
> Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
> musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>
an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of entertainers.
Gerry
pTooner
> dogw...@frostwarning.com (Cabeza Borradora) wrote:
>
>
>>Jack Hamilton come on down:
>>
>>
>>>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Jim Trousdale" <jim...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you think that he is the best, how do you feel that no one yet agrees
>>>>>>with you. Do you know that his fans are primarily made up of
>>>>>>non-musicians?
>>>>>
>>>>>So? That's probably true of Beethoven as well, since most of the
>>>>>population consists of non-musicians.
>>>>
>>>>But not (one hopes) the "population" of the newsgroups targeted by the
>>>>OP!
>>>
>>>Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>>>musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>>
>>One wonders how you would classify Merzbow.
>
>
> Does he create music, or just noise? The line between aleatoric music
> and noise can be difficult to draw, but to me, the samples from "1930"
> on amazon.com sounded like noise.
>
> Can his work be performed and reinterpreted by other artists while still
> retaining its identity? Can he perform the music of others in a way
> that makes it his own? If neither of those conditions is true, I
> wouldn't say he's a musician.
>
>
In that case, you can eliminate nearly all classical musicians from the
definition of musician.
Gerry
Nicolai P. Zwar
> Who ARE you, and what have you done with Dave Tholen???????
Betcha this will get you a listed among Dave's alleged "antagonists".
Robert Steinberg
mu0si0cian (myá-z.sh2õn) n. Abbr. mus.
One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental
music.
American Heritage Dictionary - Standard edition
--
Robert Steinberg
MidiOpera Co.
http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/i/midiopra/
Madama Butterfly MP3 at MidiOpera homepage
Michael Haslam
>>I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of *me* on
>>the web.
>>
>>MJHaslam
>>
>>
>>
>
>YOu going to tell us where it is so we can all take a look?
>
>
It's a little embarrassing. Try looking for the Noel Coward Society...
MJHaslam
Carrie
news:3F141A3D...@mac.com...
Found you!! Would you like me to share the link?
You are younger than I thought! ;)
John Brock
>
>> Who ARE you, and what have you done with Dave Tholen???????
>Betcha this will get you a listed among Dave's alleged "antagonists".
Been there. Done that. :-)
--
John Brock
jbr...@panix.com
Bob
"Jerry Kohl" <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F13912A...@comcast.net...
Just like Yanni except his skin is whiter and his hair blonde.
--
-------
Bob (rtm...@NOSPAMcomcast.net)
Robert Briggs
> Michael Haslam wrote:
> > Carrie wrote:
> > > Michael Haslam wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of
> > > > *me* on the web.
> > > You going to tell us where it is so we can all take a look?
> >
> > It's a little embarrassing. Try looking for the Noel Coward Society...
> Found you!! Would you like me to share the link?
I reckon that search is so trivially easy that there's no point hiding
the resulting URL:
http://www.noelcoward.net/html/events.html
> You are younger than I thought! ;)
Guessing a Usenetter's age from his posting history can be pretty
unreliable, but I agree that the guy in the picture looks younger than
my mental image of Michael.
Robert Briggs
> I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
Does Yanni perform by playing a musical instrument?
If so, he fits the Concise Oxford's definition of a musician quite
nicely:
musician n. a person who plays a musical instrument, esp.
professionally, or is otherwise musically gifted
Peter T. Daniels
Of course there's no way of knowing the date of a publicity photo, but
the rather nasty smirk seems right; and he's just claimed to have a
four-year-old daughter.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net
Michael Haslam
Peter T. Daniels wrote:
Again, I feel Peter should refrain from such personal comments until he
puts himself up for scrutiny. For the record, it is not a publicity
photo, but an unofficial and unauthorised one taken last time I
performed for the Society earlier this year. I have frequently been told
I look young for my age, which I have never tried to hide on Usenet. A
casual knowledge of my Usenet university reminiscences would date me
fairly accurately.
So, come on, Peter. Give us a clue to a photo of you and we can make
nasty subjective comments about it. Or is it yet another case of
you-can-dish-it-out-but-you-can't-take-it.
Just off to check how the picture in the attic's doing...
MJHaslam
Michael Haslam
>"Michael Haslam" <inn...@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:3F141A3D...@mac.com...
>
>
>>Carrie wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of *me* on
>>>>the web.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>YOu going to tell us where it is so we can all take a look?
>>>
>>>
>>It's a little embarrassing. Try looking for the Noel Coward Society...
>>
>>
>
>Found you!! Would you like me to share the link?
>You are younger than I thought! ;)
>
>
And scarier! I don't remember being at that extraordinary angle.
MJHaslam
Robert Briggs
> Robert Briggs wrote:
> > > > > Michael Haslam wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent
> > > > > > photo of *me* on the web.
> > http://www.noelcoward.net/html/events.html
> > Guessing a Usenetter's age from his posting history can be pretty
> > unreliable, but I agree that the guy in the picture looks younger
> > than my mental image of Michael.
>
> Of course there's no way of knowing the date of a publicity photo
In this case, we have Michael's reference to "a fairly recent photo"
of himself - not to mention his subsequent (and quite credible) denial
that it is a publicity photo.
Dr.Matt
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <bf16m9$kga$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> Carrie <carriephl...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >"Michael Haslam" <inn...@mac.com> wrote in message
> >news:3F141A3D...@mac.com...
> >> Carrie wrote:
> >>
> >> >>I was slightly shocked to find there is a fairly recent photo of *me* on
> >> >>the web.
> >> >>
> >> >>MJHaslam
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >YOu going to tell us where it is so we can all take a look?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> It's a little embarrassing. Try looking for the Noel Coward Society...
> >>
> >> MJHaslam
> >
> >Found you!! Would you like me to share the link?
> >You are younger than I thought! ;)
> >--
> >Carrie, Midnight and Twilight
> >www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/carriephlyons
> >www.lyonsmusic.co.uk
>
> Nice bangs.
At least you two guys have hair. I really couldn't work in the office with a
beard like Dr. Matt's, though.
Steve
>
>
> --
> Matthew H. Fields http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields
> Music: Splendor in Sound
> Brights have a naturalistic world-view. http://www.the-brights.net/
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Dr.Matt
John Harrington
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
>
> >"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <3F1297...@worldnet.att.net>,
> >>Peter T. Daniels <gram...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dr.Matt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In article <rde4hvsus6givi1gi...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>HS come on down:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Wow - Yanni. I can't wait to see him play 3 chords tonight.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>YANNI IS SO PUNK.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>The funny thing is, I have better hair than him.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>At least his is kept somewhat neat.> >>Wow, you're just a bundle of jilted energy today, Peter.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Silly question, but do you guys actually KNOW each other? In the "real"
> >world? If not, how can Peter possibly know anything about Dr. Matt's
> >hair-style? (Or even whether he HAS one - a lot of men become bald at
> >an early age.)
> >
> >
> There is, or was, a photo of Matt on his website. I consider it rather
> bad form of Peter to make personal comments about Matt's appearance
> without offering a photo of himself so we can take cheap potshots at
> him, too.
There's a recent photo of Peter here:
http://members.rogers.com/casara/CasaraOntWWW/PDaniels1.jpg
Here's a recent photo of Michael:
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/chaplaincy/people/michael.gif
Here's a recent photo of Carrie:
http://www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons/Carrie2.jpg
Here's a recent photo of Dr. Matt:
http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields/MHF.GIF
And here's a recent pic of me:
John
Jerry Kohl
John Harrington wrote:
> Michael Haslam <inn...@mac.com> wrote in message news:<3F133C5...@mac.com>...
> > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > There is, or was, a photo of Matt on his website. I consider it rather
> > bad form of Peter to make personal comments about Matt's appearance
> > without offering a photo of himself so we can take cheap potshots at
> > him, too.
>
> There's a recent photo of Peter here:
>
> http://members.rogers.com/casara/CasaraOntWWW/PDaniels1.jpg
>
> Here's a recent photo of Michael:
>
> http://www.ncl.ac.uk/chaplaincy/people/michael.gif
>
> Here's a recent photo of Carrie:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons/Carrie2.jpg
>
> Here's a recent photo of Dr. Matt:
>
> http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields/MHF.GIF
>
> And here's a recent pic of me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h0uc
>
ROFL! But seriously, John, it's very egocentric of you to direct us to satirical
pictures of everybody else, and only show a proper passport photo of yourself!
Dr.Matt
I think that's a different Michael Haslam--whole different shape of face.
Here's the one we've been looking at.
http://www.noelcoward.net/Resources/Image8.gif
>
>Here's a recent photo of Carrie:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons/Carrie2.jpg
>
>Here's a recent photo of Dr. Matt:
>
> http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields/MHF.GIF
>
>And here's a recent pic of me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h0uc
Uh huh.
Nice bangs.
Dr.Matt
Jack Hamilton
Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
--
Jack Hamilton
j...@acm.org
If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay
Jerry Kohl
> Anyhow, John, data on the web indicates that you're 34 or 35.
Waist, hat, or shoe size?
pTooner
> pTooner <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>>>musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>>>
>>
>>That's a most remarkable statement. I would have assumed that "Playing
>>an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
>>it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of entertainers.
>
>
> Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
> stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
> that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
> make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
It's easy, singers are not musicians unless they help carry the gear in
and out.
Gerry
Alex Temple
>
> pTooner <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
> >> musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a
> >> musician.
> >>
> >That's a most remarkable statement. I would have assumed that "Playing
> >an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
> >it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of
> >entertainers.
>
> Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
> stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
> that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
> make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
>
judgements, you reduce the phrases "bad musician" and "bad musicianship"
to meaningless oxymorons. Don't you think that's a bit of a problem?
--
Alex Temple
fiber_optiq NO @ SPAM yahoo PLEASE .com
http://www.isomerica.net/~electricwalrus
"Memes don't exist. Tell your friends."
Dr.Matt
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>
>> Anyhow, John, data on the web indicates that you're 34 or 35.
>
>Waist, hat, or shoe size?
Yes!
He was having an Aha with Rite of Spring when I was in my second
year of conservatory and had been suddenly assigned to write papers,
in quick succession, on the first inversion-fugue in KdF and the
one of Berg's early pieces for clarinet and piano (curious little
half-carat gems!).
Dr.Matt
But then there's this: http://www.bcarc.org/Visions/Nov99/pg11.html
Michael Haslam
>>>Silly question, but do you guys actually KNOW each other? In the "real"
>>>world? If not, how can Peter possibly know anything about Dr. Matt's
>>>hair-style? (Or even whether he HAS one - a lot of men become bald at
>>>an early age.)
>>>
>>>
>>There is, or was, a photo of Matt on his website. I consider it rather
>>bad form of Peter to make personal comments about Matt's appearance
>>without offering a photo of himself so we can take cheap potshots at
>>him, too.
>>
>>
>
>There's a recent photo of Peter here:
>
> http://members.rogers.com/casara/CasaraOntWWW/PDaniels1.jpg
>
Something a bit fishy here. Civil Air Search And Rescue Association
(Ontario)? The Peter we know and love is no Canadian. The moustache is
believable, though.
>Here's a recent photo of Michael:
>
> http://www.ncl.ac.uk/chaplaincy/people/michael.gif
>
Not me.
>Here's a recent photo of Carrie:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons/Carrie2.jpg
>
Yep, that's Carrie.
>Here's a recent photo of Dr. Matt:
>
> http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields/MHF.GIF
>
Yep, Matt Fields.
>And here's a recent pic of me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h0uc
>
The best of the bunch.
Who was that wishing they had more time on their hands?
MJHaslam
Jack Hamilton
Well, then, I'm a musician! Thanks.
But I misspelled Barbirolli.
I'm a musician, not a proofreader.
Cabeza Borradora
>In article <G_udnc4SRLa...@comcast.com>,
>Bob <rtm...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Jerry Kohl" <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:3F13912A...@comcast.net...
>>> "H. Emmerson Meyers" wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think one of the reasons Yanni is so popular is because he looks like
>>> > Jesus. Has anyone else ever considered this??
>>>
>>> You've seen Jesus?! I mean, lately?? 8-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
>>> "Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnakat."
>>>
>>Not personally, but Jerry Falwell has and he told me what Jesus looks like.
>>Just like Yanni except his skin is whiter and his hair blonde.
>
>How can that be? Jed Smock told me Jesus has a crew cut!
Oh, man, there's a name that takes me back. Is he still going around with
Sister Cindy?
--
"Flames are discouraged, except for those which quote famous (or
not-so- famous) Stooge lines. For example, it would be acceptable to
threaten to 'tear out your tonsils' or to 'gouge your eyes out'."
- alt.comedy.slapstick.3-stooges FAQ
Jack Hamilton
>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> pTooner <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>> >> musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a
>> >> musician.
>> >>
>> >That's a most remarkable statement. I would have assumed that "Playing
>> >an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
>> >it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of
>> >entertainers.
>>
>> Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
>> stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
>> that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
>> make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
>>
>If you're going to use "musician" and "musicianship" as value
>judgements, you reduce the phrases "bad musician" and "bad musicianship"
>to meaningless oxymorons. Don't you think that's a bit of a problem?
Yes, but creating a definition that doesn't use value judgements is also
going to be a problem. Do you have one?
"music", "musician", and "musicianship" are all terms describing human
activities. There aren't going to be any black-and-white rules.
Jerry Kohl
"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> In article <3F1465E2...@comcast.net>,
> Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >"Dr.Matt" wrote:
> >
> >> Anyhow, John, data on the web indicates that you're 34 or 35.
> >
> >Waist, hat, or shoe size?
>
> Yes!
I should have guessed. But, if you were a Customs and Immigration
control officer and saw that photo in John's passport, would you make
fun of him for having small feet and a big head?
Carrie
>
> There's a recent photo of Peter here:
>
> http://members.rogers.com/casara/CasaraOntWWW/PDaniels1.jpg
Close to my mental picture!
>
> Here's a recent photo of Michael:
>
> http://www.ncl.ac.uk/chaplaincy/people/michael.gif
Is that really Michael? really??
>
> Here's a recent photo of Carrie:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons/Carrie2.jpg
Aggghhhh... well, I did post it for all to see... you could have picked a
better one though! I look about 16 in that!!
>
> Here's a recent photo of Dr. Matt:
>
> http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields/MHF.GIF
Yup, I love that beard :o)
>
> And here's a recent pic of me:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h0uc
>
Ohhh, John, now I know what you look like... when you coming to take me out?
Dr.Matt
Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>
>> In article <3F1465E2...@comcast.net>,
>> Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >"Dr.Matt" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anyhow, John, data on the web indicates that you're 34 or 35.
>> >
>> >Waist, hat, or shoe size?
>>
>> Yes!
>
>I should have guessed. But, if you were a Customs and Immigration
>control officer and saw that photo in John's passport, would you make
>fun of him for having small feet and a big head?
I'd be busy enforcing the law... and the first thing I'd do is
notice whether or not the person standing before me resembled the person
in the photo. Hm, I actually have my passport handy... Let's see...
Alex Temple
> >If you're going to use "musician" and "musicianship" as value
> >judgements, you reduce the phrases "bad musician" and "bad
> >musicianship"
> >to meaningless oxymorons. Don't you think that's a bit of a problem?
>
> Yes, but creating a definition that doesn't use value judgements is also
> going to be a problem. Do you have one?
>
Yes. A musician is someone who makes music. Within that category, we
can distinguish a whole range from terrible musicians to excellent ones.
> "music", "musician", and "musicianship" are all terms describing human
> activities. There aren't going to be any black-and-white rules.
No, which is why I didn't say "your usage is wrong," but "your usage has
problematic implications."
Dr.Matt
Cabeza Borradora <dogw...@frostwarning.com> wrote:
>Dr.Matt come on down:
>
>>In article <G_udnc4SRLa...@comcast.com>,
>>Bob <rtm...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Jerry Kohl" <jerom...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3F13912A...@comcast.net...
>>>> "H. Emmerson Meyers" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I think one of the reasons Yanni is so popular is because he looks like
>>>> > Jesus. Has anyone else ever considered this??
>>>>
>>>> You've seen Jesus?! I mean, lately?? 8-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
>>>> "Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnakat."
>>>>
>>>Not personally, but Jerry Falwell has and he told me what Jesus looks like.
>>>Just like Yanni except his skin is whiter and his hair blonde.
>>
>>How can that be? Jed Smock told me Jesus has a crew cut!
>
>Oh, man, there's a name that takes me back. Is he still going around with
>Sister Cindy?
According to the web, he's busier than ever, see http://www.brojed.org/.
I get the feeling that he has gained a lot of political clout...
Jack Hamilton
>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>
>> >If you're going to use "musician" and "musicianship" as value
>> >judgements, you reduce the phrases "bad musician" and "bad
>> >musicianship"
>> >to meaningless oxymorons. Don't you think that's a bit of a problem?
>>
>> Yes, but creating a definition that doesn't use value judgements is also
>> going to be a problem. Do you have one?
>>
>Yes. A musician is someone who makes music. Within that category, we
>can distinguish a whole range from terrible musicians to excellent ones.
But all that does is switch the problem from defining "musician" to
defining "music", still a value judgement. And "make" might also
present problems.
For example, someone mentioned Merzbow. The samples on Amazon.com are
not sufficient to be certain, but his output didn't sound like music to
me - it didn't have melody, harmony, rhythm, or progression. But others
might claim that he's a musician on the basis of those same excerpts.
Alex Temple
>
> >> Yes, but creating a definition that doesn't use value judgements is
> >> also
> >> going to be a problem. Do you have one?
> >>
> >Yes. A musician is someone who makes music. Within that category, we
> >can distinguish a whole range from terrible musicians to excellent
> >ones.
>
> But all that does is switch the problem from defining "musician" to
> defining "music", still a value judgement. And "make" might also
> present problems.
>
> For example, someone mentioned Merzbow. The samples on Amazon.com are
> not sufficient to be certain, but his output didn't sound like music to
> me - it didn't have melody, harmony, rhythm, or progression. But others
> might claim that he's a musician on the basis of those same excerpts.
I have a Merzbow album (_Maschinenstil_) and have heard some other work
by him (_Aqua Necromancer_ and parts of _Pulse Demon_). There's no
melody or harmony, but there's definitely rhythm. At his most abstract
he still has changing textures.
I would define "music," tentatively, as organized sound presented as
art. Merzbow definitely qualifies.
"Make" does present some problems, yes. However, composition and
performance definitely qualify as making music, as they are necessary
steps in the bringing of music into the world. Electronic music and
recording projects also qualify, perhaps even more than either of the
above. It only really seems to become problematic in the case of people
like John Cage, presenting sounds not of their own creation or
organization in an artistic context and thus "making them into music."
But Cage's role in such works (obviously not in something like the
_Sonatas and Interludes_) is on the border of "musicianhood" and
"nonmusicianhood," which only seems to reinforce my choice of definition.
Dr.Matt
And then there's this: www.bcarc.org/Visions/ Nov99/pg11.html
>--
>Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
>"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnakat."
>
>
Ben Wolfson
>
>I would define "music," tentatively, as organized sound presented as
>art. Merzbow definitely qualifies.
Well now you've got more problems, in "organized" and "presented as
art", especially if you're willing to admit that the same sounds can
both be music and not music (I don't know why in particular you would,
but Arthur Danto thinks you should).
--
BTR
The Glass Marble, mistaking the No. 37 Penpoint for the Four-Holed
Button, pushed it into the Yawning Chasm.
Alex Temple
>
> In article <3F149D9E...@yahoo.com>, Alex Temple wrote:
> >
> >I would define "music," tentatively, as organized sound presented as
> >art. Merzbow definitely qualifies.
>
> Well now you've got more problems, in "organized" and "presented as
> art", especially if you're willing to admit that the same sounds can
> both be music and not music (I don't know why in particular you would,
> but Arthur Danto thinks you should).
>
increases them.
Either way, it remains the fact that /any/ definition of /anything/ is
going to have problems.
Dr.Matt
Jack Hamilton <j...@acm.org> wrote:
>Alex Temple <fiber_opt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Jack Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> >If you're going to use "musician" and "musicianship" as value
>>> >judgements, you reduce the phrases "bad musician" and "bad
>>> >musicianship"
>>> >to meaningless oxymorons. Don't you think that's a bit of a problem?
>>>
>>> Yes, but creating a definition that doesn't use value judgements is also
>>> going to be a problem. Do you have one?
>>>
>>Yes. A musician is someone who makes music. Within that category, we
>>can distinguish a whole range from terrible musicians to excellent ones.
>
>But all that does is switch the problem from defining "musician" to
>defining "music", still a value judgement. And "make" might also
>present problems.
Music is sound appreciated by a listener. I think that pragmatically,
we can apply both that and "make" most of the time.
>For example, someone mentioned Merzbow. The samples on Amazon.com are
>not sufficient to be certain, but his output didn't sound like music to
>me - it didn't have melody, harmony, rhythm, or progression. But others
>might claim that he's a musician on the basis of those same excerpts.
You didn't appreciate the sound, and you cite characteristics of other
sounds to explain your response.
But as you pointed out, the word "music" cannot be explained without
reference to people--listeners.
>
>
>--
>Jack Hamilton
>j...@acm.org
>
>
>If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
>they may indeed wait for ever.
> - Lord MacCaulay
Alex Temple
Ben Wolfson
>I can't believe a thread called "Yanni" is now about MERZBOW.
Hell, I can't believe it's about music.
--
BTR, cheap shots
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS wrote:
>
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
>
> > Carrie wrote:
> > >
> > > "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NPZ...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3F12A300...@bigfoot.com...
> > > > dao wrote:
> > > > > Yanni is on Larry King tonight. He is the best musician ever.
> > > >
> > > > That's the general consensus in these newsgroups, yes, no doubt about
> > > > it. Of course, John Tesh is at his heels and narrowing the gap.
> > > >
> > >
> > > dare I ask...
> > > Who exactly is Yanni, I really am serious, it seems like he must be well
> > > known, and I sure get the impression none of you like him. But, who is he?
> > > What does he play?
> >
> > A "popular" entertainer whom you folks in the UK have apparently been
> > spared. I forget whether he's the one who plays the pan-pipes, or the
> > almost-violinist - pure saccharine, in any case. (I suggest you keep
> > the antacid tablets handy, if you listen.)
> >
>
> I'm a little hesitant to let you know I know this, but I think the pan pipe
> guy is named something like Zamfir. It's a one-name kinda thing.
Well, I don't really FOLLOW that kind of music, so why should I be
offended? (From what others have said here about piano, Yanni is
apparently not the violinist I was thinking of, either.)
>
> Steve
>
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carrie, Midnight and Twilight
> > > www.btinternet.com/~midnightlyons
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/carriephlyons
> > > www.lyonsmusic.co.uk
>
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Dr.Matt
Jack Hamilton <j...@acm.org> wrote:
>pTooner <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>>> musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>>>
>>That's a most remarkable statement. I would have assumed that "Playing
>>an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
>>it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of entertainers.
>
>Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
>stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
>that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
>make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
>
What about composers and conductors?
Jack Hamilton
>In article <fpn8hvsps8bc7b2fi...@4ax.com>,
>Jack Hamilton <j...@acm.org> wrote:
>>pTooner <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Possibly, but playing an instrument does not by itself make someone a
>>>> musician. I would classify Yanni as a performer rather than a musician.
>>>>
>>>That's a most remarkable statement. I would have assumed that "Playing
>>>an instrument" was the definition of musician although I haven't looked
>>>it up. A performer is a much broader term for many types of entertainers.
>>
>>Yes, my definition needs some refinement, but in general it's more
>>stringent than most - more along the lines of (John Barbaroli?) claim
>>that singers are not (necessarily) musicians. It's not the ability to
>>make notes come out in a particular order that defines musicianship.
>>
>
>What about composers and conductors?
I should have said "it's not *only* the ability to make notes come out
in a particular order that defines musicianship".
A player piano can make the right notes come out, and a metronome can
beat time, so there has to be more to being a conductor than just making
the notes come out correctly. In the case of a conductor, part of the
art is seeing something in the music that the composer didn't, or seeing
it differently. Another part is being able to inspire the players to
produce the sounds that you want. Yet another is the ability to
convince the audience that the music is worth hearing.
What makes a composer a musician? I'm not sure. It has to be more than
just writing down notes, even notes that combine into recognizable
chords. I can do that, but that doesn't make me either a composer or a
musician. Perhaps what makes a composer into a musician is the ability
to convey musical ideas (I don't mean program music) that others can
understand and appreciate.
Cabeza Borradora
>I can't believe a thread called "Yanni" is now about MERZBOW.
SCORE.