Drum color...is it important to you?
MapexDrummer
the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing? If
a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be apt
to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to get
a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have for
2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really desire.
I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Before you buy.
Bermuda Schwartz
<silen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important was
>the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
>factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing?
Not at all - but the SOUND was....
Granted, you have to look at your drums every time you play them. The
audience for the most part will NOT be able to appreciate the finish
on them. On the other hand, EVERYone will be able to hear the drums.
Shouldn't that really be the priority?
Bermuda
Brian
colors, even mood them for particular songs. Perhaps buy your drums
with such an idea in mind...
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:06:13 GMT, MapexDrummer
<silen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
#I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important
was
#the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
#factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing?
If
#a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be
apt
#to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
#desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to
get
#a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have
for
#2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
#'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really
desire.
#I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
#better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
#Thanks,
#Jonathan
#
#
#Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
#Before you buy.
Brian K. Trepanier
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Kristallin01
For me it was, because my set had to fit in with the overall appearance of the
group and the stage set. I ended up with the compnay I wanted, Premier, but
with a different line because they didn't have my colour available in the
Genista line, so I had to settle for the XPKs (not an unwise choice, now I
think they sound better than the Genistas, at least in my ears). I simply
didn't have the time to order a custom finish and wait 12 to 14 weeks longer, I
had a tour to go on
Ray Ayotte
Is there a colour that comes close to what you want? Or this there a
colour you have in mind that is not offered? Is there a colour on
another brand of kit you would prefer?
Here are the colours offered:
Antique Ivory
Cherry Red
Flat Black
Gold Ice (new)
Benchmark Gold (new)
Transparent Amber
Transparent Black
Transparent Diamond Blue
Wax Emerald Green
Wax Natural
If I had to pick 3, my personal taste:
(1)Antique Ivory
(2)Transparent Diamond Blue
(3)Wax Natural
Keep in mind these are not Mapex's top of the line.
Anyway, to answer your question, I would prioritize kit brand/model over
colour. But, I would try to pick a colour that would have staying power
too. I would try to pick something that I like, and also, would be able
to sell to someone else later.
Ray Ayotte
ayo...@home.com
Anthony Giampa
my eye... And most high-end kits only come in wood-grain type finishes, which I
don't like as much as covered drums.
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Rookie Drummer, Surf Music Lover, Jazz Newbie, Addicted Drum Tinkerer
Website: http://www.geocities.com/area51/dunes/6895/index.html
Brian
job as tech support for a guitar manufacturer. We have two purchasers:
those that buy because the guitar sounds excellent, and those that buy
because the guitar looks excellent. The ones that go for looks
generally find the sounds in the instrument they like to justify
purchasing the guitar. A while later, when the finish dulls up a bit,
they may come to realize the sound isn't exactly what they wanted,
after all. Buy by sound. Close your eyes and play. There is a lot of
beauty to be found in plain things, as well. To quote the Monty Python
troupe, "A nod's good as a wink to a blind bat." An ugly kit that
sounds good is a lot more important thatn a pretty kit that sounds
like a pizza box. (How many have had to deal with sound engineers that
like to record with the snare that way?)
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:41:40 GMT, ber...@weirdal.com (Bermuda
Schwartz) wrote:
#On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:06:13 GMT, MapexDrummer
#<silen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
#
#>I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important
was
#>the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
#>factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing?
#
#Not at all - but the SOUND was....
#
#Granted, you have to look at your drums every time you play them. The
#audience for the most part will NOT be able to appreciate the finish
#on them. On the other hand, EVERYone will be able to hear the drums.
#
#Shouldn't that really be the priority?
#
#Bermuda
MapexDrummer
mind that I would like. They offered it last year, and it's called Matte
Natural. I've e-mailed them to see if they still have any left over in
the sizes I want or if they will custom make me the finish, since it was
just last year. It's like a cinnamon or pumpkin color. I was very
disappointed to see them drop it for this year. They also have some cool
new colors out for the M Pro series (The Ice Blue is COOL!!) which is
below the Saturn Pro in quality....I'm confused why drum companies don't
offer ALL the colors of their drums in all the lines? I just feel the
Orion AND Saturn series colors are sort of drab compared to the likes of
choices you get from the other major drum companies....DW and Spaun have
some AWESOME choices off hand.
My top three available choices for the Saturns were:
Transparent Amber
Transparent Diamond Blue
Antique Ivory
I guess I'm gonna really have to SEE these in person in order to make a
final decision.
Thanks for your time,
Jonathan
In article <38E264B1...@home.com>,
> > I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important
was
> > the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
> > factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing?
Wri...@webtv.net
"emerald mist", only the Masters Custom, but I wanted a set of birch
drums.
I have an old family friend that is a Pearl dealer and he got them
for me at his cost, so another brand wasn't really an option for me, not
if I wanted the great deal that I got.
So I just went neutral and got the natural birch finish. I get lots of
complements on them and I like natural wood too, but I would have been
happier with the emerald mist.
Bottom line is sound over color, although cost did win out a little
over sound in my circumstance, but I've been happy with the Pearls,
still trying to find the right head combination for them though.
Rick Ball
Ray Ayotte
Many factors come to play for manufacturers when they offer colours for
their finishes.
Different "substrates", that is the finishing surface will produce
different "looks".
A substrate of maple will end up looking very different from a substrate
of birch when finished with lacquer, whether it is a clear natural
lacquer finish or a stained finish.
You will find that the more "high-end" the drum kit is, the more likely
it is to be offered in a larger selection of finishes.
To illustrate a point, the Mapex ProM are lacquer finished on a
substrate of maple, whereas the MSeries are basswood. The more expensive
ProM are offered in 10 finishes and the MSeries in 5. Both are offered
in Cherry Red, but, this colour will have a different appearance when
you see the maple Transparent Cherry red beside the basswood Cherry Red.
For high end "production drums", comparing to "custom drums" it is more
cost effective to offer production drums in a smaller selection of
finishes. For "custom drums" it does not affect the price much, and can
be an effective sales tool.
Imagine how much simpler life would be for Pearl (e.g.) if, like Ford,
they could say "you can have any colour you want as long as it's black".
MapexDrummer
put the more desirable finishes (I know everyone has their own opinion
on what desirable is) on the more expensive line in order to move more
drums...or 'be an effective sales tool' as you stated? I personally just
think there are better color options in the ProM line as compared to the
Orion and Saturn Pro line. All three lines have a maple outter shell,
thus they should all have the same affect on the "subsrates"...correct?
Thanks,
Jonathan
In article <38E27BF0...@home.com>,
James C. Nevermann
I've chosen to use the new "Middle Aged Crisis Red" for all my
percussion instruments.
--
Jim Nevermann
[usual disclaimers]
Ray Ayotte
After examining what Mapex is offering I see what you mean.
I put a little chart together:
Here are the colours for Mapex's "maple substrate" lines, Orion Classic
Birdseye (OCB), Orion Classic Tranditional (OCT) Saturn Pro (SP)and ProM
(PM).
colour: models available
Antique Ivory OCB OCT SP -
Cherry Red* OCB OCT SP PM
Transparent Emerald Green** OCB OCT - PM
Transparent Amber OCB OCT SP -
Transparent Black OCB OCT SP -
Transparent Diamond Blue** OCB - SP -
Transparent Violet OCB OCT - -
Wax Emerald Green** OCB - SP -
Wax Natural ` OCB OCT SP -
Wax Cherry Red OCB OCT - -
Gold Ice (new) - OCT SP -
Benchmark Gold (new) - - SP -
Flat Black - - SP -
Transparent Midnight Black - - - PM
Transparent Ocean Blue - - - PM
Purple Ice - - - PM
Blue Ice - - - PM
Waln Ice - - - PM
Benchmark Black - - - PM
Benchmark Gold - - - PM
Benchmark Red - - - PM
There must be a logical explanation for the way Mapex has offered their
finishes.
* Cherry Red is the only colour offered in all 4 maple substrate models.
There is a total of 21 colours.
My guess is that the ProM Series must painted in a different factory.
** That doesn't explain the Tr Emerald Green and Tr Diamond Blue and Wax
Emerald Green not being offered in the 3 top lines.
What about the other anomalies?
I wonder if Mapex would volunteer the explanation rather than leave us
here to surmise.
Could it be that the new ProM Series finishes are less costly to
produce?
Are the Mapex people planning some changes at the high end?
I saw many of these new colours at NAMM. Some looked very nice. Some did
not work for me.
OK Mapex, 'splain.
Ray Ayotte
ayo...@home.com
Ray Ayotte
colour.
Ray Ayotte
ayo...@home.com
MapexDrummer
where we can get the answers to Ray's and my questions?
In article <38E299E4...@home.com>,
Dan Radin
Good luck getting a response from Mapex. AFAIK, they have no US/English
website, and no presence on this ng.
As far as the orginal post goes, here's my take. With apologies to the drum
makers on the board, if you're looking at high end maple kits, and you can't
find the color you want, find another maple kit that comes in that color. I
would bet heavily that you would be hard pressed to hear the difference (studio
or live) between a Mapex drum say a Pearl drum, given similar shell
characteristsics, and same heads ans tuning.
I honestly don't think there's much that truly distinctive in maple these days.
Yes, you can change the sound with hoops, bearing edges, mounting hardware,
etc, but all of that can be done easily and cheaply aftermarket.
My opinion: if you want maple, find the kit for the best price in the finish
you want, and buy it.
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Mason Gross School of the Arts, Rutgers University
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Moderator: ThePercussionist.com Forums
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Trevor S
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> After examining what Mapex is offering I see what you mean.
>
> I put a little chart together:
Ray!
you work way too hard, my friend! Id just like to take this opportunity
to say thanks for all the advice you have been good enough to give
myself and other rmmp'ers over the years. good luck with your adventures
in the future, and i hope to see your name on some new drums soon!
Now, to the question...
When i bought my first set of drums, i was 14 years old, and not very
talented or knowledgeable in the field of drums and percussion. sooooo,
i kinda looked at what set looked cool :o) and what set my dear old dad
could afford.
Now, ive been playing a few hours a day for a few years, and would
consider myself at least a intermediate player, and im looking forward
to the purchace of a new set, sometime next year (hopefully :o)
when i walk into music stores, sure, something good looking may grab my
eye, but i insist on playing anything, anything at all, even a pair of
sticks, before i take it out of the store. You MUST put sound quality
over looks, in my opinion. Like was mentioned earlier, close your eyes
and play. Hear the drums, and dont think about how cool the set will
look to your buddies. Care about how the set will sound to your buddies.
And, you can refinish later, if you really hate the choice you have
made, for whatever reason.
Good luck,
Trev
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Whats with all the rhetorical questions?
MapexDrummer
the process of developing their own website, and should have it up and
running towards the end of April.
Thanks for your suggestions. I really like the Saturn Pro line (The only
other thing I'm holding out on, is to view the new Premier 'Artist'
series, both maple and birch, when it becomes public. They have a
Saphire color that I'd DIE to have on my kit). I like Mapex's I.T.S.
mounts, because I don't like a lot of the other so called 'rims' they
are just to big and cumbersome. The price is right where I want to be,
and they sound VERY good to my ear for what I'm gonna be using them for.
I also like the fact that not a lot of people play Mapex. These are just
a few of my reasons for worrying so much about the color and not jumping
ship quite yet.
Jonathan
In article <20000329201013...@ng-de1.aol.com>,
Ray Ayotte
Mapex email <<ma...@concentric.net>>.
So, Dan, I think you're being a little cynical here.
My experience suggests very strongly that not all maple shells are
created equal, nor do they end up equal.
If it were true, I would stop now and never make another drum.
An Italian friend tried to explain musical instrument building to me one
day. And this applies to art and music and most artistic endeavours.
A finely made and great sounding drum is like an excellent plate of
spaghetti.
No one has an exclusive on the ingredients.
An excellent plate of spaghetti is a rare treat.
Ray Ayotte
ayo...@home.com
Russell m. Gellman
I can't remember which came first? Did I love Fibes drums, and then fall
in love with Turquoise sparkle, or did I love Turquoise sparkle and buy
the Fibes? Honestly, I think I read the review on Fibes in Modern
Drummer, and decided it's what I liked, but wasn't really going to get a
new kit. Then when I sent away for their catalog, and saw that double
bass kit in Turquoise Sparkle, I WAS SOLD!!!! I personally think the
look of a kit is important. I get a lot of compliments on the look, and
for me, I just LOVE looking at it! And I also agree, most Maple kits are
going to sound alike. Just happens that the Fibes kick ass sound wise
too......
Russell
MapexDrummer <silen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important was
: the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
: factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing? If
: a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be apt
: to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
: desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to get
: a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have for
: 2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
: 'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really desire.
: I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
: better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
: Thanks,
: Jonathan
: Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
: Before you buy.
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A wise man learns from the mistakes of others
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Bermuda Schwartz
> a good light technician at a gig can take care of all your drum
>colors, even mood them for particular songs. Perhaps buy your drums
>with such an idea in mind...
If that's the desire, then choose white. My touring kit is white, and
therefore has dozens of different looks during the course of one show!
Bermuda
drumguru
I'm just down the road from their office. I have a friend or two over
there. Which questions specifically?
--
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Drumset artist, teacher, author
Nashville TN
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John or Jenn
ber...@weirdal.com writes:
>If that's the desire, then choose white. My touring kit is white, and
>therefore has dozens of different looks during the course of one show!
Better yet, get White Satin Flame! Dozens of looks, but always with a
wicked-cool-psychedelic look! :-)
Dan Radin
>My experience suggests very strongly that not all maple shells are
>created equal, nor do they end up equal.
Very true. However, I left out one important point: Production line drums! Yes,
a handmade, super quality kit can be a fine treat, but I stand by my sentiments
on production drums, which is what the original point of the thread was.
Getting into a fine handmade instrument is a far different topic, and a far
different price range!
>If it were true, I would stop now and never make another drum.
>An Italian friend tried to explain musical instrument building to me one
>day. And this applies to art and music and most artistic endeavours.
>A finely made and great sounding drum is like an excellent plate of
>spaghetti.
>No one has an exclusive on the ingredients.
>An excellent plate of spaghetti is a rare treat.
>Ray Ayotte
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Mason Gross School of the Arts, Rutgers University
FAQ: http://www.rmmpfaq.club24.co.uk/toc.htm
Wri...@webtv.net
>touring kit is white, and therefore has dozens of
>different looks during the course of one show!
I had the idea a few years ago of having an all white kit and getting
sheets of gel material (like you use for stage lighting) and cutting
them to fit perfectly around each drum with a place cut out for each lug
and so forth, put a couple of little pieces of velcro on each end to
hold them together on the back side of the drum.
You could have a differant color kit every night, you could also mix
em up and have each drum a different color.
Rick Ball
Rev. Poindexter incognito
Wri...@webtv.net wrote:
Why not just use pin spots? Same effect for the most part and a helluva lot
less work...
RP
Jeffrey Speegle
As most of you know, I have the SONOR Designer kit from hell
on order. ;-) I wanted the kit in the same clear dark purple
lacquer as they used on the HiLite series, and even offered SONOR
an extra $2K to spray them in that finish....they declined my offer.
So, I went with my 2nd choice, Stain Green, which is a very nice
finish, just not exactly what I wanted. There are several companies
that make purple stained drums, Spawn, Mapex, Slingerland, DW, etc...
But! I had my heart set of SONOR Designers' and that was what I
was going to purchase! If they had only offered Designers in one finish
I would have still purchased them. The look of an instrument is important,
but sound and feel is still King!
JWS
MapexDrummer wrote:
> I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important was
> the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
> factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing? If
> a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be apt
> to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
> desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to get
> a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have for
> 2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
> 'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really desire.
> I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
> better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Bermuda Schwartz
Poindexter incognito) wrote:
>> You could have a differant color kit every night, you could also mix
>> em up and have each drum a different color.
>
>Why not just use pin spots? Same effect for the most part and a helluva lot
>less work...
Unless you're the LD.....
FastLundy
brands, test drive a few, investigate the pricing of each, then once you decide
on the make and model, color becomes extremely important.
But I guess if your choosing between a Lexus, Infiniti and a Mercedes, you're
pretty safe picking whichever you can find in purple :-)
FastLundy
PaulLundquist
Wri...@webtv.net
>most part and a helluva lot less work...
I don't think the effect would be the same at all, the colors would
get all washed out from the other lights. but with the gel up against
the white shell they wouldn't. To me a white set of drums with colored
lights on them looks like that, a white set of drums with colored lights
shining on them.
Once you had one made for each drum it would be a breeze to make
others using the first as templates.
Rick Ball
-MIKE-
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In article <8bu8e5$8hm$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, MapexDrummer
-MIKE-
-MIKE-
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mi...@mikedrums.com or hit 'reply'
-MIKE-
for $2K and it would look killer!
-MIKE-
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mi...@mikedrums.com or hit 'reply'
> Color is important to me, but not the deciding factor.
> As most of you know, I have the SONOR Designer kit from hell
> on order. ;-) I wanted the kit in the same clear dark purple
> lacquer as they used on the HiLite series, and even offered SONOR
> an extra $2K to spray them in that finish....they declined my offer.
> So, I went with my 2nd choice, Stain Green, which is a very nice
> finish, just not exactly what I wanted. There are several companies
> that make purple stained drums, Spawn, Mapex, Slingerland, DW, etc...
> But! I had my heart set of SONOR Designers' and that was what I
> was going to purchase! If they had only offered Designers in one finish
> I would have still purchased them. The look of an instrument is important,
>
> but sound and feel is still King!
>
>
> JWS
>
>
>
> MapexDrummer wrote:
>
>> I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important was
>> the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
>> factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing? If
>> a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be apt
>> to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
>> desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to get
>> a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have for
>> 2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
>> 'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really desire.
>> I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
>> better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>
-MIKE-
>>> em up and have each drum a different color.
>>
>>less work...
>
Hey, he works for YOU! Remember that. And you work for AL! Remember
*that,* too. (:oD
Anyway,
The auto body/custom guitar guy who is clear-coating my current snare
project, has this totally killer paint from BASF. It's a car paint , but he
has used it on some guitars and I think it would be the ultimate drum stage
finish.
The paint has metal flakes of all different colors in it. It changes color
at different angles. On a guitar, you have to turn and bend to see the
different colors. But a drum is round, so the effect is awesome. You see
this spectrum of color bending around the drum. It really is incredible.
Ray Ayotte
not work.
Pin spots would be hot enough to overcome the other lights.
And, a lighting man would kill the other lights for effect.
Focus a red spot on a white drum = red drum, brilliant, reflective, glow
like fire.
RayA
Wri...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >Why not just use pin spots? Same effect for the
> >most part and a helluva lot less work...
>
MapexDrummer
>
> If that's the desire, then choose white. My touring kit is white, and
> therefore has dozens of different looks during the course of one show!
>
> Bermuda
Wri...@webtv.net
>Weird
Funny, every time Ray thinks of an Ayotte kit, he see's red.
Oooooo !
Rick Ball
-MIKE-
-MIKE-
Wri...@webtv.net
Yeah, with a spoon !
Rick Ball
Jeffrey Speegle
JWS
-MIKE- wrote:
> Holy cow, Jeff! There are custom auto-body guys who would do your whole kit
> for $2K and it would look killer!
>
> -MIKE-
>
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> mi...@mikedrums.com or hit 'reply'
>
> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >> Before you buy.
> >
Benjamin Jacoby
: In article <38e362c...@news.earthlink.net> Bermuda Schwartz,
: ber...@weirdal.com writes:
: >If that's the desire, then choose white. My touring kit is white, and
: >therefore has dozens of different looks during the course of one show!
: Better yet, get White Satin Flame! Dozens of looks, but always with a
: wicked-cool-psychedelic look! :-)
There is a local guy who has a white kit. I mean like *totally* white!
All the lugs, rims, hardware, etc. is power-coated white. Awesome
look! I wonder about powdercoated rims holding up, but I guess people
do this with decent results.
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J. Steven Balsavage
Appearance is just another sense and as important to me, I had a kit as a
child that had yellowed white pearl, the old loose rail mount and the chrome
was completely tarnished to a dull gray, BUT that color grew on me once I
heard them. I don't have the drums anymore, I think they're bouncing around
my home town somewhere. 1940's Slingerland Radio Kings. The kick had 2
warming lamps for the calf heads. I mounted 1 red and 1 green bulb
instead....Very cool!
How about smell.....does it matter? I haven't seen that kit since the early
60's, but I can still smell the Mackintosch soft cases they came in. Must be
loooovvvveee.
Steve
Brian <b_...@hot.mail.com> wrote in message
news:38e25d85...@news.paralynx.com...
> a good light technician at a gig can take care of all your drum
> colors, even mood them for particular songs. Perhaps buy your drums
> with such an idea in mind...
>
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:06:13 GMT, MapexDrummer
> <silen...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> #I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important
> was
> #the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
> #factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing?
> If
> #a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be
> apt
> #to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
> #desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to
> get
> #a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have
> for
> #2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
> #'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really
> desire.
> #I guess that if I'm gonna spend about $1500 on drums alone, then they
> #better be pretty and appealing to MY eye...what do you all think?
> #Thanks,
> #Jonathan
> #
> #
> #Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> #Before you buy.
>
>
> Brian K. Trepanier
> http://victorian.fortunecity.com/daddio/227
> a new definition of heavy
> http://www.mp3.com/HRP
>
>
Anthony Giampa
>do this with decent results
I've got 2 black powder coated 1.6mm rims on this snare I have, and they hold
up pretty good. It's only scratched on the hoop near where the tuning key have
scraped against the rim... plus underneath the metal washers under the tuning
part of the rod.
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Rookie Drummer, Surf Music Lover, Jazz Newbie, Addicted Drum Tinkerer
Website: http://www.geocities.com/area51/dunes/6895/index.html
Bermuda Schwartz
wrote:
>>
>> Unless you're the LD.....
>
>Hey, he works for YOU! Remember that.
Exactly... what do *I* care if he works harder??
Justin Bailey
>spaghetti.
>No one has an exclusive on the ingredients.
>An excellent plate of spaghetti is a rare treat.
>Ray Ayotte
Hey Ray-
Not to pat myself on the back, but I make awesome spaghetti! I mean it's
WONDERFUL!
So how about you come to Missouri, and I make you some pasta, and then you can
build me some drums from your as-yet-to-be-determined new drum co. :)
Justin Bailey
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"The road of good intentions is paved with Hell." - Spencer Ante
Todd Clark
Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
>
> Imagine how much simpler life would be for Pearl (e.g.) if,
> like Ford, they could say "you can have any colour you want
> as long as it's black".
>
and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
liberation.
>
Within this given motif, I still demand the best sound quality possible
from my instruments. Fortunately, finding high-end electronic
music/noise equipment in some shade of black is usually not all that
difficult.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
"Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
---- William S. Burroughs
Gary Suarez
: All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
: and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
: landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
: environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
: the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
: own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
: liberation.
But but but...
You're closing yourself off to the wonderful world of virtual analogue dandies
from companies like Access or Waldorf or Novation. I know that the bright
colors of these companies' gear (reds, oranges, blues, etc.) may take away
from the atmosphere of live performance or studio meditations, but cover them
up with black silk and sequence on the computer.
Still, mood is important. Sitting in a room full of flashing strobelights &
humming blacklights inspire some wild things sometimes... though I usually
just end up throwing up.
-djgyn
np: Aphex Twin - "Pulsewidth"
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clo...@softcom.net
You sound like a man with many irons in the fire! I only knew of you in
the past as a AIM activist. Never knew about the music thing.
Jim Bright Thunder
Todd Clark wrote:
> In article <38E27BF0...@home.com>,
> Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > Imagine how much simpler life would be for Pearl (e.g.) if,
> > like Ford, they could say "you can have any colour you want
> > as long as it's black".
> >
> All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
> and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
> landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
> environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
> the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
> own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
> liberation.
> >
Ray Ayotte
colour scheme.
Ray Ayotte
ayo...@home.com
-MIKE-
> complement to your colour scheme.
> Ray Ayotte
Ten years ago, when I first got my Sonorlites in yellow lacquer, I thought
the color would be gross. But I get SO MANY compliments on them. And now I
see so many companies doing the same color. I wouldn't change them.
Robert Schuh
Ray,
DON'T go to MO, especially Springfield! :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"The Most Trolled Man On The Internet!"
Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
Donate your organs. Save a life.
Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
Todd Clark wrote:
> landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
> environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
> the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
guy, please tell me you're kidding.
Ray Ayotte
RayA
drumguru
Really, who is your audience?
Todd Clark wrote:
> All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
> and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
> landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
> environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
> the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
> own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
> liberation.
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
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Drumset artist, teacher, author
Nashville TN
http://www.drumguru.com)
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Jay Epstein
>Niagara Falls... Niagara Falls... slowly I turned, step by step...
>RayA
Thanks for keeping vaudeville alive, Ray. :-)
Do you know coming later in the year there'll be a new Mel Gibson
produced biopic for TV of the 3 Stooges? Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk!
Jay
May all your quarter note triplets start & end on 2 or 4.
JaKe
This is deep stuff Todd, lighten up and try running through a field of
daisys every now and then!
Peace,
JaKe
Seattle
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <38E27BF0...@home.com>,
> Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > Imagine how much simpler life would be for Pearl (e.g.) if,
> > like Ford, they could say "you can have any colour you want
> > as long as it's black".
> >
> All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
> and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
> landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
> environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
> the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
> own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
> liberation.
> >
> Within this given motif, I still demand the best sound quality possible
> from my instruments. Fortunately, finding high-end electronic
> music/noise equipment in some shade of black is usually not all that
> difficult.
> >
> --
Bridget
ever you run into one of his
posts ,you can be sure that it
will be accompanied by his
ubiquitous whining
ynapse (the artist formerly
known as flesh) wrote in
message
<38E50648...@midsouth.rr
.com>...
>
>
>Todd Clark wrote:
>
>> landscape that
simultaneously symbolizes and
mourns both the
>> environmental and cultural
destruction of the Americas.
While turning
>> the sound of the
adversarial
military-industrial complex
back on its
>
doug L.
> I've got a question for you drum kit owners out there. How important was
> the selection of the color of your drums? I mean....was drum color a
> factor in your decision in what drum company you ended up choosing? If
> a drum company didn't have a drum color that you liked, would you be apt
> to change your mind and go to another company to get the color you
> desired? This is what I'm battling with right now. I REALLY want to get
> a set of Mapex Saturn Pro's but NONE of the color options they have for
> 2000 are overly appealing to me. I mean....I feel like I would be
> 'settling' for a color rather than getting a color that I really desire.
...Get a neutral color like, black. And then make them sound good.
-doug
Mark Rance
> just noticed that you are cross posting. Consider yourself cited.
Cross posting is both a usenet norm (for more than a decade)
and sanctioned by said community. That said, cited for what??
You cannot disallow cross posting nor can you site anyone for
doing so.
Recommended reading: "Don't sweat the Small Stuff"
-Mark
drumguru
just noticed that you are cross posting. Consider yourself cited.
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <38E27BF0...@home.com>,
> Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > Imagine how much simpler life would be for Pearl (e.g.) if,
> > like Ford, they could say "you can have any colour you want
> > as long as it's black".
> >
> All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
> and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
> landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
> environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
> the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
> own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
> liberation.
> >
> Within this given motif, I still demand the best sound quality possible
> from my instruments. Fortunately, finding high-end electronic
> music/noise equipment in some shade of black is usually not all that
> difficult.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Todd Clark
people.
>
> Really, who is your audience?
>
Nine Inch Nails, on one hand, and persons who like avant-garde acts
such as Sun Ra, Philip Glass, and Frank Zappa, on the other. Then there
are the persons who are interested in the application of Native
American compositional theories to modern electronic instrumentation
and the persons who are interested in seeing the Morrisonian
performance poetry aspects taken to a more complex extreme than Jim was
permitted to do in his short life. Then we get to the persons who come
to hear the political and cultural message...
Todd Clark
clo...@softcom.net wrote:
>
> Todd!
>
> You sound like a man with many irons in the fire!
> I only knew of you in the past as a AIM activist.
> Never knew about the music thing.
>
> Jim Bright Thunder
>
my first book was published in 1974, and my first record was released
in 1975.
>
Ironically enough, my forthcoming book of poetry is entitled "Dark
Thunder".
Leif Madsen
drums (for some Odd reason).
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:05:08 GMT, Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
>In my experience I found that less drummers disliked red than any other
>colour.
>Ray Ayotte
>ayo...@home.com
Wri...@webtv.net
>Persons who like industrial acts such as Skinny
>Puppy, Ministry, and Nine Inch Nails, on one
>hand, and persons who like avant-garde acts
>such as Sun Ra, Philip Glass, and Frank
>Zappa, on the other. Then there are the
>persons who are interested in the application of
>Native American compositional theories to
>modern electronic instrumentation and the
>persons who are interested in seeing the
>Morrisonian performance poetry aspects taken
>to a more complex extreme than Jim was
>permitted to do in his short life. Then we get to
>the persons who come to hear the political and
>cultural message
Do you play to both of them at the same time ?
Rick Ball
Leif Madsen
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:10:05 GMT, Ray Ayotte <ayo...@home.com> wrote:
>Mapex Saturn Pro is available in 10 colours of Lacquer Finishes.
>Is there a colour that comes close to what you want? Or this there a
>colour you have in mind that is not offered? Is there a colour on
>another brand of kit you would prefer?
>Here are the colours offered:
>Antique Ivory
>Cherry Red
j.d.rustvold
Bear/Gypsy
One hell of a leap from Psychedelic to Native,WOW
Bear
drumguru wrote:
> Todd Clark wrote:
> >
> > In article <38E4E9DF...@home.com>,
> > drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I take it you don't do country sessions?
> > >
> > You got that right. Cowboys and red necks are not exactly my favorite
> > people.
>
> You are showing your ignorance here. Most musicians who play on country
> music recording sessions are city dwellers like yourself and are pretty
> sophisticated, well rounded musicians who have never been near a cow or
> done a day's work in the sun. :-& (tongue in cheek smiley face).
>
> Is Dieter one of your audience?
Carl Bishop
Country musicians aren't the problem...it's the country AUDIENCE that's my
problem. Everytime I see a goon in a cowbow hat and I KNOW he has never
been within 100 yards of a cow a day in his life, it just screams loser to
me...much as anyone who dresses like they are from the ghetto when they live
in the burbs...yeah it's just their style and all that but they look like
goons. How practical is a bigass belt buckle, tight ass jeans, a huge
stupid looking hat, and big ass boots? If you live on a farm, it's very
practical, but the people who dress like this nowadays are just suburban
jerk-offs who think the south's gonna do it again. I live in Memphis so I
get a real nice mix of both of the above-mentioned types of choads. Luckily
there's pretty cool blues and jazz crowds to offset that. Anyway, I'm off.
drumguru wrote in message <38E80FEC...@home.com>...
Robert Schuh
> In article <38E4E9DF...@home.com>,
> drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > I take it you don't do country sessions?
> >
> You got that right. Cowboys and red necks are not exactly my favorite
> people.
> >
> to hear the political and cultural message...
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Can we all say "leftist vegetarian freak?"
heali...@my-deja.com
so?
healingline
drumguru
--
drumguru
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <38E4E9DF...@home.com>,
> drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > I take it you don't do country sessions?
> >
> You got that right. Cowboys and red necks are not exactly my favorite
> people.
You are showing your ignorance here. Most musicians who play on country
music recording sessions are city dwellers like yourself and are pretty
sophisticated, well rounded musicians who have never been near a cow or
done a day's work in the sun. :-& (tongue in cheek smiley face).
Is Dieter one of your audience?
drumguru
try it again!
drumguru wrote:
>
> Todd Clark wrote:
> >
> > In article <38E4E9DF...@home.com>,
> > drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I take it you don't do country sessions?
> > >
> > You got that right. Cowboys and red necks are not exactly my favorite
> > people.
>
> You are showing your ignorance here. Most musicians who play on country
> music recording sessions are city dwellers like yourself and are pretty
> sophisticated, well rounded musicians who have never been near a cow or
> done a day's work in the sun. :-& (tongue in cheek smiley face).
>
> Is Dieter one of your audience?
>
> George Lawrence
> Drumset artist, teacher, author
> Nashville TN
>
> http://www.drumguru.com)
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John or Jenn
writes:
>All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion instruments,
>and clothing are black or gray. This creates a bleak industrial
>landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and mourns both the
>environmental and cultural destruction of the Americas. While turning
>the sound of the adversarial military-industrial complex back on its
>own creators, I play song compositions that assert indigenous
>liberation.
Fortunately, other folks just play music...
Phhhttttt!
drumguru
I wouldn't know. I'm usually looking at the women, not the men! :-)
Carl Bishop wrote:
>
> Yeah George,
> Country musicians aren't the problem...it's the country AUDIENCE that's my
> problem. Everytime I see a goon in a cowbow hat and I KNOW he has never
> been within 100 yards of a cow a day in his life, it just screams loser to
> me...much as anyone who dresses like they are from the ghetto when they live
> in the burbs...yeah it's just their style and all that but they look like
> goons. How practical is a bigass belt buckle, tight ass jeans, a huge
> stupid looking hat, and big ass boots? If you live on a farm, it's very
> practical, but the people who dress like this nowadays are just suburban
> jerk-offs who think the south's gonna do it again. I live in Memphis so I
> get a real nice mix of both of the above-mentioned types of choads. Luckily
> there's pretty cool blues and jazz crowds to offset that. Anyway, I'm off.
>
> drumguru wrote in message <38E80FEC...@home.com>...
> >
> >
Carl Bishop
drumguru wrote in message <38E8270D...@home.com>...
Pat McDonald
Carl Bishop wrote:
> Yeah George,
> Country musicians aren't the problem...it's the country AUDIENCE that's my
> problem. Everytime I see a goon in a cowbow hat and I KNOW he has never
> been within 100 yards of a cow a day in his life, it just screams loser to
> me...much as anyone who dresses like they are from the ghetto when they live
> in the burbs...yeah it's just their style and all that but they look like
> goons. How practical is a bigass belt buckle, tight ass jeans, a huge
> stupid looking hat, and big ass boots? If you live on a farm, it's very
> practical, but the people who dress like this nowadays are just suburban
> jerk-offs who think the south's gonna do it again. I live in Memphis so I
> get a real nice mix of both of the above-mentioned types of choads. Luckily
> there's pretty cool blues and jazz crowds to offset that. Anyway, I'm off.
>
It IS kinda interesting how people gravitate towards a certain social group and
adopt the "uniform" of that group. The cowboy look is one of the funnier ones
to me. Lots of guys who wouldn't know which end of the cow to milk dress up
like Roy Rogers and hit the town! And then you have the "biker" type.
Lots of people who chose the biker lifestyle do so because it's representative
of who they are as people. I don't know WHY people who ride Harleys like to
dress in black leather and look rough and grubby but more power to them. The
thing that gets me is when that look suddenly became chic among the "in" crowd
you began to see yuppies with tons of disposable cash buying Harleys and riding
on weekends. And they had to have the "uniform" to go with it. Too funny.
Another one that kills me is the college "frat boy" look. Duck heads with
the boxers showing, penny loafers, frat t-shirt, and a Solo cup full of beer
permanently attached to the hand. My experience is mainly in southern
colleges but I can say the best way to hide in Atlanta is to dress like this.
No one could EVER find you among the teeming millions of them! And don't even
get me started about the musician's uniform!!....
Pat
Todd Clark
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Can we all say "leftist...
>
The limited Eurocentric concepts of "left" and "right" do not apply to
traditional Native American politics.
>
> vegetarian...
>
Wrong again. My family still eats the pre-contact North American wild
game animals including deer, bison, fish, clams, turkey, bear, duck,
and turtle.
>
> freak?"
>
Go look in your own mirror.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
"Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
---- William S. Burroughs
Todd Clark
"Bridget" <bri...@bconnex.net> wrote:
>
> no he is not kidding ,when
> ever you run into one of his
> posts ,you can be sure that it
> will be accompanied by his
> ubiquitous whining
>
about what you perceive as other people's whining.
>
Second of all, it is not any reasonable persons definition of whining
for an indigenous person to be proud of their culture and wish to
preserve it.
>
And furthermore, Peter, stop your cowardly hiding behind the posting
name of "Bridget". You are already greatly disliked by many regulars on
alt.native-- at least have the courage to sign your own name to your
antagonistic posts.
>
Todd Tamanend Clark
Todd Clark
drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
>
> You are showing your ignorance here. Most musicians who play on
>
Actually, I currently live in a very rural area near the West Virginia
border, although I have previously resided in Pittsburgh, Cleveland,
New York, and San Francisco. Playing the music that my five (soon to be
six) progeny and I do with our family band is really shocking around
here.
>
> ... and are pretty sophisticated, well rounded musicians who have
> never been near a cow or done a day's work in the sun.
>
musician for most of the 1980's. But despite their disciplined talent
as professional players, the vast majority of the musical byproduct
that country and western musicians produce still greatly contributes to
the maintenance of the colonial cowboy mentality that continues to
oppress Native Americans.
>
I will have to admit to you that there have also been some country
artists such as Johnny Cash, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Michael Martin Murphy,
Floyd Red Crow Westerman, and Buddy Redbow who have also "reinvented
the enemy's language" and turned the tables by recording country songs
with radical native rights lyrics. But they are clearly the exception
rather than the rule.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
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"Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
---- William S. Burroughs
Todd Clark
Gary Suarez <ga...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> You're closing yourself off to the wonderful world of virtual
> analogue dandies from companies like Access or Waldorf or
> Novation.
>
I only buy American-made gear anyway so none of the above companies are
relevant. This still leaves me with the problem of all those great
sounding but hotly colored E-mu synth modules.
>
> I know that the bright colors of these companies' gear (reds,
> oranges, blues, etc.) may take away from the atmosphere of
> live performance or studio meditations, but cover them up
> with black silk and sequence on the computer.
>
Trent Reznor orders his Nine Inch Nails road crew to automatically
paint any synthesizers that go on tour black. This does however obscure
the lettering that labels each of the controls. I think your idea is
much more practical.
>
> =======
>
> "The answer to any question will be revealed when you stop asking
> questions and wipe from your mind the concept of question."
> - william seward burroughs -
>
Ah, yes, we both quote the preeminent literary genius of the twentieth
century in our posting signatures. You have excellent taste, my friend.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Somewhere Along The Monongahela River
Todd Clark
John or Jenn <las...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Todd Clark writes:
> >
> > All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion
> > instruments, and clothing are black or gray. This creates a
> > bleak industrial landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and
> > mourns both the environmental and cultural destruction of the
> > Americas. While turning the sound of the adversarial military-
> > industrial complex back on its own creators, I play song
> > compositions that assert indigenous liberation.
>
> Fortunately, other folks just play music...
>
Patti Smith, The Fugs, MC5, Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Neil Young,
Buffy Sainte-Marie, Gil-Scott Heron, Woody Guthrie, Peter LaFarge, Joni
Mitchell, John Lennon, Jefferson Airplane, Frank Zappa, Russell Means,
or any of the hundreds of other activist songwriters.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
drumguru
I'm sorry, man, but just your use of the very dated term "country and
western" shows how unfamiliar you are with the genre.
The musicians don't write the stuff, they just play it.
We're off topic here anyway.
"enemy's language"?
GL
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <38E80FEC...@home.com>,
> drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > You are showing your ignorance here. Most musicians who play on
> > country music recording sessions are city dwellers like yourself...
> >
> Actually, I currently live in a very rural area near the West Virginia
> border, although I have previously resided in Pittsburgh, Cleveland,
> New York, and San Francisco. Playing the music that my five (soon to be
> six) progeny and I do with our family band is really shocking around
> here.
> >
> > ... and are pretty sophisticated, well rounded musicians who have
> > never been near a cow or done a day's work in the sun.
> >
> I fully understand this since one of my former managers was a Nashville
> musician for most of the 1980's. But despite their disciplined talent
> as professional players, the vast majority of the musical byproduct
> that country and western musicians produce still greatly contributes to
> the maintenance of the colonial cowboy mentality that continues to
> oppress Native Americans.
> >
> I will have to admit to you that there have also been some country
> artists such as Johnny Cash, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Michael Martin Murphy,
> Floyd Red Crow Westerman, and Buddy Redbow who have also "reinvented
> the enemy's language" and turned the tables by recording country songs
> with radical native rights lyrics. But they are clearly the exception
> rather than the rule.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
George Lawrence
Drumset artist, teacher, author
Nashville TN
http://www.drumguru.com)
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Robert Schuh
Pat,
The Gen Xers kill me with this too. The thing that is VERY amusing too are the ones
who think that they are musicians and they think the "look" somehow helps them.
Man, I have been playing music that is so much more out than ANYTHING that they
could even fathom, but I don't have to look like a throbbing member everywhere I
go! :-)
Robert Schuh
> In article <38E8395D...@yahoo.com>,
> Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can we all say "leftist...
> >
> The limited Eurocentric concepts of "left" and "right" do not apply to
> traditional Native American politics.
> >
> > vegetarian...
> >
> Wrong again. My family still eats the pre-contact North American wild
> game animals including deer, bison, fish, clams, turkey, bear, duck,
> and turtle.
> >
> > freak?"
> >
> Go look in your own mirror.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
It is nice to see that you eat meat, but the fact that you think that your
far left leanings don't mean the same thing simply because you an American
Indian is ludicrous. As long as your blood flows red, you are the same.
Trying to be a separatist is no less offensive than the KKK. You have to
realize that no matter how hard you try to think of yourself as something
different, the more you are just like everyone else. Time to butch up.
Kristallin01
>>
>> Can we all say "leftist...
>>
>The limited Eurocentric concepts of "left" and "right" do not apply to
>traditional Native American politics.
That's true, American politics consist of right-wing (democrat) and
ultra-right-wing (republican), but we've heard that one before...
Kristallin01
>relevant. This still leaves me with the problem of all those great
>sounding but hotly colored E-mu synth modules.
In that case you're missing out on the currently best synthesizers built.
(Access, NordLead, Waldorf). Commercial fascism is a tad unappropriate these
days, especially from a native American.
Todd Clark
krista...@cs.com (Kristallin01) wrote in response to my original
comment:
>
> > I only buy American-made gear anyway, so none of the above
> > companies are relevant.
>
> In that case you're missing out on the currently best
> synthesizers built. (Access, NordLead, Waldorf).
> Commercial fascism is a tad unappropriate these days,
> especially from a native American.
>
of North, Central, and South America, and nearby islands, not just what
is today considered the United States by the conquering governments
according to the little broken lines on their colonial maps. Although
this system of geographical consumerism allows for the purchasing
support of worthwhile products from throughout the western hemisphere,
it still precludes my contributing to the further importation of
Eurocentric goods whose devastating effects we have already witnessed
for over five centuries.
Todd Clark
drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, man, but just your use of the very dated term "country
> and western" shows how unfamiliar you are with the genre.
>
>
> The musicians don't write the stuff, they just play it.
>
following orders", too, I suppose?
>
Both musically and philosophically speaking, if they don't believe in
what they're playing, then they shouldn't be playing it.
>
> We're off topic here anyway.
>
> "enemy's language"?
>
Native American women that was edited by Creek saxophonist and poet Joy
Harjo.
>
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Somewhere Along The Monongahela River
Kristallin01
>of North, Central, and South America, and nearby islands, not just what
>is today considered the United States by the conquering governments
>according to the little broken lines on their colonial maps. Although
>this system of geographical consumerism allows for the purchasing
>support of worthwhile products from throughout the western hemisphere,
>it still precludes my contributing to the further importation of
>Eurocentric goods whose devastating effects we have already witnessed
>for over five centuries.
>>
>--
>Todd Tamanend Clark
>Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
>Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
>http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
>>
>"Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
>---- William S. Burroughs
>
So you'd buy a second rate piece of crap just because it wasn't made in Europe
then, eh? I could use the same excuse and say I'll never touch a set of Sonors,
cause they're made in Germany, and the Germans killed my great-grandparents in
Auschwitz.
I'm sorry, but for me, and most people it's not where the gear comes from, it's
how good the quality is, and when it comes to mass-produced goods, the Americas
take the global back seat, eclipsed even by the Czech Republic...
JaKe
JaKe
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <20000403115003...@ng-cd1.news.cs.com>,
> krista...@cs.com (Kristallin01) wrote in response to my original
> comment:
> >
> > > I only buy American-made gear anyway, so none of the above
> > > companies are relevant.
> >
> > In that case you're missing out on the currently best
> > synthesizers built. (Access, NordLead, Waldorf).
> > Commercial fascism is a tad unappropriate these days,
> > especially from a native American.
> >
> I use the native conceptual definition of America, which includes all
> of North, Central, and South America, and nearby islands, not just what
> is today considered the United States by the conquering governments
> according to the little broken lines on their colonial maps. Although
> this system of geographical consumerism allows for the purchasing
> support of worthwhile products from throughout the western hemisphere,
> it still precludes my contributing to the further importation of
> Eurocentric goods whose devastating effects we have already witnessed
> for over five centuries.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> >
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
drumguru
Yes, we are all scheming about how many Native American babies we can
bayonet. I never really thought about it until I read your moving
analogy, but yes that is our sole motive. That's all we can think about
while we record our music here. The whole purpose of country music and
every other music recorded by the white man is to do further the
negative image of the Native American, especially Vince Gill's love
ballads. We don't believe in what we are playing. We are lemmings. You
should move here, run every record company and this whole town should
record nothing but Native American synthesizer music. :-)
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <38E8B3CF...@home.com>,
> drumguru <drum...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, man, but just your use of the very dated term "country
> > and western" shows how unfamiliar you are with the genre.
> >
> Fair enough. I probably am.
> >
> > The musicians don't write the stuff, they just play it.
> >
> And all those soldiers who bayonetted Indian babies were "just
> following orders", too, I suppose?
> >
> Both musically and philosophically speaking, if they don't believe in
> what they're playing, then they shouldn't be playing it.
> >
> > We're off topic here anyway.
> >
> > "enemy's language"?
> >
> I was quoting the title of an anthology of liberation writings by
> Native American women that was edited by Creek saxophonist and poet Joy
> Harjo.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
> Somewhere Along The Monongahela River
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> >
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Brandon E Paluzzi
YUp, we're in a lot of trouble here in the US now, aren't we...
Devastating.
BP
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Todd Clark wrote:
> Eurocentric goods whose devastating effects we have already witnessed
> for over five centuries.
> >
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> Pennsylvania American Indian Movement
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
> >
> "Smash the control images; smash the control machine!"
> ---- William S. Burroughs
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carnegie Mellon University, Class of 2000
Information and Decision Systems and
Human Computer Interaction
bp...@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/bp33/
Tartan Ice Hockey Kiltie Drumline CMU Pipes and Drums
Todd Clark
Robert Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> It is nice to see that you eat meat, but the fact that you
> think that your far left leanings don't mean the same thing
> simply because you an American Indian is ludicrous.
>
obligated to become so acculturated into the belief system of our
oppressors that we think conceptually in their terms.
>
> As long as your blood flows red, you are the same.
>
>
> Trying to be a separatist is no less offensive than the KKK.
>
activist against the Ku Klux Klan back in the 1920's and 1930's. Our
family is very proud of her civil rights record.
>
> You have to realize that no matter how hard you try to think
> of yourself as something different, the more you are just like
> everyone else.
>
-MIKE-
>
>
> Pat
I'm stocking up on black stuff, Pat. (:-D
-MIKE-
--
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johnnycakes
Purdie
gets the drum chair.
Res Ipse Loquitor, let the good times roll.
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Todd Clark
krista...@cs.com (Kristallin01) wrote:
>
> So you'd buy a second rate piece of crap just because it
> wasn't made in Europe then, eh?
>
>
> I could use the same excuse and say I'll never touch a set
> of Sonors, cause they're made in Germany, and the Germans
> killed my great-grandparents in Auschwitz.
>
social conscience.
>
> I'm sorry, but for me, and most people it's not where the
> gear comes from, it's how good the quality is,
>
>
> and when it comes to mass-produced goods, the Americas
> take the global back seat, eclipsed even by the Czech Republic...
>
the great American-made guitars like Steinberger, Paul Reed Smith,
Godin, and Parker, nor the classic analog synths (Moog, ARP, Oberheim,
Sequential) and modern digital marvels (E-mu, Ensoniq, Studio
Electronics) that are American-made, here is a list of quality American
manufacturers:
>
All One Tribe
Alternate Mode
Baltimore Drum
Black Swamp Percussion
Boom Theory
Clevelander Drum Company
Drum Workshop
Gibraltar
Hart Dynamics
Latin Percussion
Peavey
Pintech
Remo
Rhythm Tech
Rok'N'Sok
Sabian Cymbals
Sherpa
Taos Drums
Vic Firth
Zendrum
>
I am sure that there are more that I inadvertently left out.
reznorhead
Todd Clark wrote:
>
> In article <uLUF4.24248$U4.1...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com>,
> John or Jenn <las...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Todd Clark writes:
> > >
> > > All of my synthesizers, guitars, amplifiers, percussion
> > > instruments, and clothing are black or gray. This creates a
> > > bleak industrial landscape that simultaneously symbolizes and
> > > mourns both the environmental and cultural destruction of the
> > > Americas. While turning the sound of the adversarial military-
> > > industrial complex back on its own creators, I play song
> > > compositions that assert indigenous liberation.
> >
> > Fortunately, other folks just play music...
> >
> Go tell it to Rage Against The Machine, Public Enemy, Consolidated,
> Patti Smith, The Fugs, MC5, Bob Dylan, Robbie Robertson, Neil Young,
> Buffy Sainte-Marie, Gil-Scott Heron, Woody Guthrie, Peter LaFarge, Joni
> Mitchell, John Lennon, Jefferson Airplane, Frank Zappa, Russell Means,
> or any of the hundreds of other activist songwriters.
> >
Kristallin01
>> wasn't made in Europe then, eh?
>>
>Absolutely not. I would do without instead.
So you would do without a product that could potentially enrich your
life/music/whatever based on your racial bias... are you familiar with the term
"Deutsche wehrt Euch, kauft nicht bei Juden" (Germans, defend yourseves, don't
buy from Jews)? Your ideals may be noble, your execution is no different than
that of the national-socialist/fachist movements of the early 20th century.
>>
>> I could use the same excuse and say I'll never touch a set
>> of Sonors, cause they're made in Germany, and the Germans
>> killed my great-grandparents in Auschwitz.
>>
>That's up to you to determine the appropriate choices for your own
>social conscience.
Indeed it is, and although my relatives were killed in Auschwitz, most Jewish
people have moved on. As the wise men in every race said, there comes a time to
forgive, not forget, but forgive. Whatever happened back then was atrocious,
but that was well over 100 years ago, and frankly, 300 years of suffering can't
hold a candle to 2000 years of persecution
As you would have noticed if you had thoroughly read my post I was not talking
about drum manufacturers, most of whom you stated aren't mass producers and
don't have the capacity for it (I wouldn't call the production of 1-2000
guitars a year mass production), but in a general sense of MASS produced
articles. Most American-made household appliances don't make it onto the
European market because they can't pass safety standards and are poorly
manufactured. My point is, you'd rather use an inferior product in your
household just because it's American made. I've heard rednecks, the Aryan
Nation and the KKK use the same argument.
Kristallin01
>
>Devastating.
>
>BP
>
...and I just moved here, too... I guess that makes me a savage European
neo-conquerer then... I claim this land for the crown of England, oops, nope,
we won't make that mistake again!