Female guitarists: stand up and be counted
Mark Delsing
I'm sure this has already been discussed to death or is sitting in a
FAQ somewhere, but I thought it might be a good thread:
Any female guitarists out there? I've seen quite a few women post to
this newsgroup, so I figured I'd poll some opinions. The majority of
the guitarists (that get press) in jazz, blues, and rock are male, and
I don't think I've ever met a professional, or semi-professional
female guitarist.
Umm... What's it like? :)
Seriously, Bonnie Raitt aside, do you feel that there are too few role
models? Do you feel that pervailing mores have (or haven't) interfered
with your pursuit of the instrument?
I dunno. There seem to be a lot more women in instrumental (i.e., not
just singers) areas of contemporary music nowadays, so I figured I'd
ask. I always find it strange to meet young women interested in
playing guitar, especially playing rock music.
Let the flames begin!
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Mark Delsing wrote:
>
> I'm sure this has already been discussed to death or is sitting in a
> FAQ somewhere, but I thought it might be a good thread:
>
> Any female guitarists out there? I've seen quite a few women post to
> this newsgroup, so I figured I'd poll some opinions. The majority of
> the guitarists (that get press) in jazz, blues, and rock are male, and
> I don't think I've ever met a professional, or semi-professional
> female guitarist.
Hmm. Now that i think about it I'ver never met one either. Perhaps even
more rare are female drummers. However, the drummer in my band happens
to be a woman and she ROCKS!! She's just a killer drummer (kinda cute
too, gush).
She hates going into musics stores because she always gets asked "Is
this for your boyfriend?"
--
Greg
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--Ken Kesey
elizabeth west
Mark Delsing wrote:
> Any female guitarists out there? I've seen quite a few women post to
> this newsgroup, so I figured I'd poll some opinions. The majority of
> the guitarists (that get press) in jazz, blues, and rock are male, and
> I don't think I've ever met a professional, or semi-professional
> female guitarist.
> Umm... What's it like? :)
Ok, I'll stand up and be counted! Comments range anywhere from "You're
pretty good, for a girl" to "Is that for you?"(at the music store). I
have even got discounts on strings just for the sole reason of being
female. I'm not professional, or even semi-professional, nor do I have
any aspirations of such. To me it is just another art form, something
that I do for myself and no one else, and maybe someday, I will share my
vision with the rest of the world.
> Seriously, Bonnie Raitt aside, do you feel that there are too few role
> models? Do you feel that pervailing mores have (or haven't) interfered
> with your pursuit of the instrument?
> I dunno. There seem to be a lot more women in instrumental (i.e., not
> just singers) areas of contemporary music nowadays, so I figured I'd
> ask. I always find it strange to meet young women interested in
> playing guitar, especially playing rock music.
I think that is actually a big problem with women playing guitar. It
seems to me (just from experience) that women/girls are more concerned
with doing what society expects from them, wearing make-up, acting a
certain way, looking a certain way. There is a lot of pressure to be
"normal", although that seems to be getting a little better. I have to
free up the phone line, but I will resume this a little later.
Eliza"stevie"beth
elizabeth west
elizabeth west wrote:
<Snip> Continued from other post.......
Anyway, I think that is partly the reason that their arn't more female
guitar players. I didn't start playing guitar until I was 18. Most
guys that I know started playing guitar way earlier than that, because
it was cool to be in a band in high school. Females were expected to be
in the school band, playing flute or clarinet, or cheerleaders, typical
female things. I was the weirdo, shaving my head, not being cheerful
and bouncy and cute by traditional standards, not even being accepted by
the punks and "progressives" so I have never had a problem standing up
and just being me, but for a lot of women, it *is* hard to go against
the set "rules" My sister wanted to learn how to play the drums when
she was in Junior high, but stopped because her fellow students, both
male and female, made fun of her, and the teachers actually encouraged
her not to, both a case of peer pressure and not recieving support from
teachers, and she did give up.
I have only personally met 5 female guitarists myself, although I am not
very active in the local music community. We are out there, you just
have to look for us. Please, if you do see one of us, don't say, "Hey,
you're pretty good, for a girl!" because if it happens to be me, I
can't be held responsible for my actions.:) Except if you are a
"Stevie" in good standing, then you can say, "Hey, you're pretty good,
for a Stevie!" Me and a female bass player caused quite a stir at the
almost local Sam Ash, because we both happened to be in the store at the
same time, *actually playing the instruments* instead of hanging on the
arms of our boyfriends or husbands.
Eliza"stevie"beth
Jay Thorne
elizabeth west wrote:
>
>
> I have only personally met 5 female guitarists myself, although I am not
> very active in the local music community. We are out there, you just
> have to look for us. Please, if you do see one of us, don't say, "Hey,
> you're pretty good, for a girl!" because if it happens to be me, I
> can't be held responsible for my actions.:) Except if you are a
> "Stevie" in good standing, then you can say, "Hey, you're pretty good,
> for a Stevie!" Me and a female bass player caused quite a stir at the
> almost local Sam Ash, because we both happened to be in the store at the
> same time, *actually playing the instruments* instead of hanging on the
> arms of our boyfriends or husbands.
>
I've noticed that there is an attitude amongst some musicians. One of
"If you are not fantastic and know every song cold, then get the f***
out of my face"
What I mean, before you all flame me, is that the players who don't have
any attitude are a refreshing change. I myself am scared shitless to go
to the local jam nights because some of the pros and even some of the
amateurs give you severe attitude if you are still learning and you miss
one of the changes. Yes, I am 32 and taking lessons. I'm learning some
jazz, some theory & some R&B (Stevie in training? ... dunno. Probably
not) .
The same is true of the attitude towards females. Heaven help the woman
if she's still learning too. You'd have to really love music to keep
going in the face of some of the bullshit I've seen.
One of the best drummers I know is a woman. Unfortunately, she stopped
going to the jams because she's attractive, and the asshole quotient is
very high at an amateur night. She was always getting mobbed after she
sat back down. Eventually she just gave up. I haven't seen her since.
Kind of a drag, because the amateur musician community in any place is
too small to be scaring off people (of either sex) by being jerks.
On a side note, the very best player I know, a pro, (former sideman for
Bryan Adams, amongst several others) is the nicest guy you ever want to
meet. By that I mean arrogance does not seem to have anything to do
with ability.
--
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Mark Delsing wrote:
+---
| Any female guitarists out there?
+---
Sure!
+---
| Umm... What's it like? :)
+---
Non-stop ecstasy.
+---
| Seriously, Bonnie Raitt aside, do you feel that there are too few role
| models? Do you feel that pervailing mores have (or haven't) interfered
| with your pursuit of the instrument?
+---
"We don't need no steenking role models!"
Seriously? Things have changed a +little+ since I first started
gigging as a teenager in 1979. The only possible role model for me
then was April Lawton of Ramamtam (with Mitch Mitchell... maybe also
Bonnie Raite. Still, for a long long time I thought I was the only
female on the face of the planet who liked to plug a modded Jaguar
through a Univox Superfuzz cranked through a 100 watt Plexi on 10.
+---
| I dunno. There seem to be a lot more women in instrumental (i.e., not
| just singers) areas of contemporary music nowadays, so I figured I'd
| ask. I always find it strange to meet young women interested in
| playing guitar, especially playing rock music.
| Let the flames begin!
+---
The business itself is hard sometimes... I always got so tired of the
"Gee... you sure don't *play* like a *girl*!" stuff too. The thing
is... I do since I play like me and it doesn't matter that some people
are surprised because it is loud, inventive and confident. My solution
to the "somebody's girlfriend" syndrome is to let people think
whatever they want. I even encourage it sometimes by dressing fairly
femmy for performing... I love the collective "jaw drop" from guys in
the audience when I jump on stage and punch in the Fulldrive after the
first 8 bars of softer delayed/chorused intro to our first number! :-)
So why shouldn't women be interested in playing rock?
---
Kira Triea
Guitar and Vocals for "Sex Kosmologie"
Marko Sormunen
mdel...@enteract.com (Mark Delsing) writes:
>Any female guitarists out there? I've seen quite a few women post to
>this newsgroup, so I figured I'd poll some opinions. The majority of
>the guitarists (that get press) in jazz, blues, and rock are male, and
>I don't think I've ever met a professional, or semi-professional
>female guitarist.
>Umm... What's it like? :)
Well, I'm a guy, but I can give you a very good reason why guys play
guitar a lot more than girls:
Because guys usually think that it's SOOOO cool to play guitar and that
every girl will admire them for their playing ability. In other worlds
most guys think 'it's a way to get chicks'.
No woman i know is stupid enough to think that a girl playing guitar
attracts guys :)
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Eric Janik
In article <3346DF...@concentric.net>,
Greg Peterson <gsp...@concentric.net> wrote:
>Mark Delsing wrote:
>
>Hmm. Now that i think about it I'ver never met one either. Perhaps even
As for female drummers, there is Moe (um, last name forgotten), original
drummer for the Velvet Underground. Sheila E., of course. But my
favorite, whose name I've forgotten, worked in a British-invasion band from
the 60's called the Honeycombs. Most drumming in bands that were primarily
vocal was pretty perfunctory, but this woman rocked. I put her in the same
territory as Mel Taylor of the Ventures.
Among female singer-songwriter-guitarists, Rosie Flores is very solid and
inventive on rhythm. Her strong leads are in the John Fogerty and Carl
Perkins vein -- no histrionics, just moving the song along. In jazz,
the late Emily Remler stands taller than most of her contemporary "young
jazz lions". These are two of my favorite guitarists who happen to be women.
Sorry if I've offended by comparing women to men. I'm just trying
to provide a reference point. Their music stands on its own.
EJ
Andrew McWhirter
There is a lady who teaches bass at the local guitar store, and plays
professionally. She's *very* good.
We played a gig with a lady drummer when our usual drummer was otherwise
occupied (it was *his* wedding). She too was excellent....and she had
better kit than our guy....
Just my $x10^-2 worth.
Lotus Major Domo
> I have only personally met 5 female guitarists myself, although I am not
> very active in the local music community. We are out there, you just
> have to look for us. Please, if you do see one of us, don't say, "Hey,
> you're pretty good, for a girl!" because if it happens to be me, I
> can't be held responsible for my actions.:) Except if you are a
> "Stevie" in good standing, then you can say, "Hey, you're pretty good,
> for a Stevie!" Me and a female bass player caused quite a stir at the
> almost local Sam Ash, because we both happened to be in the store at the
> same time, *actually playing the instruments* instead of hanging on the
> arms of our boyfriends or husbands.
>
snip snip snip.
Hiya,
I would like to respond to this post. I am a man. I know this
because I have the appropriate genitalia (of which I am sometimes
unnecessarily fixated upon). I dont know ANYTHING about being a female
musician.
I do, however play in a band with 3 women. (We are called Pleasure Ground)
I am a guitarist. The other bloke is the drummer.
The bass player is female, as is the violin player and the singer.
The bass player is the one I want to talk about.
She has the best attitude to being a girl in a band. She plays AMAZINGLY
WELL.
I write all the music. I write music that is very hard to play (i.e. I have
one part that goes from 3 bars of 9/8 to 1 bar of 15/8 to a bar of 7/4 to
4/4 to 15/8 all at 140 bpm). She cuts it perfectly.
Most guys seem to be impressed. I'm not. It's her job to play this stuff. I
am VERY glad to finally have found someone with chops and taste. I find it
interesting that just because shes a girl, she should be thought of in
higher regard than a guy doing the same thing.
(Dont get me wrong, I know why they do it.....the fact that she is in the
minority etc etc)
She finds it difficult too. After 10 years of playing bass like a mutha she
is a bit sick of all the compliments. (guys do go a bit over the top
sometimes).
The societal pressures on people can(and do) influence their behaviour.
Occasionally, someone stands out and says "Fuck Off! I like doing this" and
they do it. They are generally hated for it.
Even rarer is the person who is able to win people over with their
individuality (ask Kiekergard).
Keep it going...... If the boys dont like it, there is probably a reason
for it, but who cares what it is?????
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James Richmond
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Mark Delsing
On 7 Apr 97 20:04:41 GMT, msor...@hytti.uku.fi (Marko Sormunen)
wrote:
>Because guys usually think that it's SOOOO cool to play guitar and that
>every girl will admire them for their playing ability. In other worlds
>most guys think 'it's a way to get chicks'.
Well, in general, they think that because it's true! At least in high
school it was <sigh>.
>No woman i know is stupid enough to think that a girl playing guitar
>attracts guys :)
Um... I may be revealing a little too much here, but I would be putty
in the hands of a woman who could really play guitar! You think that
the women in Veruca Salt get LESS male groupies because they play
guitar? Gimme a break!
elizabeth west
Jay Thorne wrote:
> >
>
> I've noticed that there is an attitude amongst some musicians. One of
> "If you are not fantastic and know every song cold, then get the f***
> out of my face"
>
> What I mean, before you all flame me, is that the players who don't have
> any attitude are a refreshing change. I myself am scared shitless to go
> to the local jam nights because some of the pros and even some of the
> amateurs give you severe attitude if you are still learning and you miss
> one of the changes. Yes, I am 32 and taking lessons. I'm learning some
> jazz, some theory & some R&B (Stevie in training? ... dunno. Probably
> not) .
Oh yeah, you won't ever catch me at an open mic night, never, never,
never even though I *love* playing live and never have an opportunity to
do it anywhere else. So I stay at home, playing, and talking to all of
you guys, and practicing, and one day, you might hear my music, but
probably not, not because I am a really horrible musician, but because I
don't fall into any of the typical guitar player molds, and maybe if I
was male, I could go out on a limb an be accepted for playing my own
style, not necessarily but probably. Just being female adds to the
problem. In my own context and playing I am pretty good, only a
personal opinon, since most people will never hear me, but in the
context of rock or blues or jazz I probably suck. No, I know I do. I
have no desire to do any of the "typical" things.
>
> The same is true of the attitude towards females. Heaven help the woman
> if she's still learning too. You'd have to really love music to keep
> going in the face of some of the bullshit I've seen.
>
Exactly!
And even the females that are successful, as far as the media and MTV
and record companies go, arn't necessarily the best players or writers,
but they have nice *asses* and look good on stage. That is slowly
changing though.
> One of the best drummers I know is a woman. Unfortunately, she stopped
> going to the jams because she's attractive, and the asshole quotient is
> very high at an amateur night. She was always getting mobbed after she
> sat back down. Eventually she just gave up. I haven't seen her since.
Oh yeah, yet another reason that you don't see more of us. I mean, I
know *all* guys arn't jerks, but the ones that are greatly outnumber the
ones who aren't, and the jerks tend to be more outspoken. And the
typical *male* answer(even from a friend of mine) is "What do you expect
when you are doing something different?" I don't know, maybe to be
treated like a person, instead of a sex object. Maybe to be accepted,
just a little, instead of being pushed away just because I am female.
Just a side note: Thanks to all of you guys have made me feel very at
home here. You can't imagine how much that means to me.:)
> Kind of a drag, because the amateur musician community in any place is
> too small to be scaring off people (of either sex) by being jerks.
>
Yup, and before anyone flames *me*(you all know better, right?) I would
like to add that I don't think this is the fault of men. I don't really
like to blame anyone for the fact that more women don't play guitar
because there are probably a lot of reasons. If more women wanted to
play guitar, I think more would. That's why I (in previous threads)
refer to myself as not being a "real" woman, I mean, I don't do my
nails(Oh, I broke my nail, I'm not gonna play anymore) I don't wear
make-up(I can't practice, I have to do my face). So, anyway, I didn't
want all of you nice guys thinking that I was trying to blame you for
driving women away from playing guitar.
Eliza"stevie"beth
Barry Houtchen
ti...@opera.iinet.net.au (Michael Cullen) wrote:
>Jay Thorne <j...@result.com>, far, far away from here, appears to have written:
>
>>one of the changes. Yes, I am 32 and taking lessons. I'm learning some
>>jazz, some theory & some R&B (Stevie in training? ... dunno. Probably
>>not) .
>
>Mate, I'll give you a tip. As an "original" Stevie, I feel qualified to speak
>on this matter. Ability and proficiency has *Nothing*, repeat, *Nothing*, to
>do with being awarded a Stevie. Absolutely *Nothing*. I speak from my personal
>situation :-)
>
>cheers,
>
>Stevie "look guys, a G chord!" Mic
I agree. You do not have to transcend your mediocrity
after years of being a Stevie Hopeful In Training
guitar player.
But you gotta be cool :)
2nd generation 'Stevie' Barry
Reply to b-hou...@ti.com
.|
[|:-)~ SRV
.|
Rob Dobson
In article <334ab1cd...@news.dseg.ti.com>, b-hou...@parts.unknown (Barry Houtchen) says:
>I agree. You do not have to transcend your mediocrity
>after years of being a Stevie Hopeful In Training
>guitar player.
>
>But you gotta be cool :)
>
>2nd generation 'Stevie' Barry
I've noticed a significant increase in the number SHIT's out
there recently. And Stevie Carl says he's been seeing more
Eager And Trustworthy Stevie Hopefuls In Training.
Degenerate Stevie Rob
Michael Cullen
Gordo
elizabeth west <bink...@pop3.concentric.net> wrote:
>Jay Thorne wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I've noticed that there is an attitude amongst some musicians. One of
>> "If you are not fantastic and know every song cold, then get the f***
>> out of my face"
>>
>> What I mean, before you all flame me, is that the players who don't have
>> any attitude are a refreshing change. I myself am scared shitless to go
>> to the local jam nights because some of the pros and even some of the
>> amateurs give you severe attitude if you are still learning and you miss
>> jazz, some theory & some R&B (Stevie in training? ... dunno. Probably
>> not) .
Sorry to get philosophical, but real pro's don't have attitude.
Competition and music are mutually exclusive, and cannot exist
in the same place at the same time. Don't let yourself EVER
get intimidated by attitude.
Women have no reason to be driven away from the guitar.
Two things: Joni Mitchell, and (sorry don't know the name)
Junior Brown's wife, who backs him up. Incomparable and
absolutely dead-on. If you live in LA, Junior is coming
to the House of Blues in late April for an 1100 pm show (no respect).
She should have equal billing as a hard-bop accompianist.
No kidding.
-g
Dan Stanley
< Stevie Dan groans, reaches for the tequila...>
Brian Rost
While I have yet to have the pleasure of working with a female electric guitarist,
I have played with female musicians in various mixed-gender bands over the years and
I actually enjoy it a lot.
This may be a stereotype in itself, but the female players I've worked with have to
constantly prove themselves as good as or better than their male counterparts, so they
usually kick butt and take names on a regular basis.
It's definitely a healthy change in the scene from say twenty years ago. Of the three
bands I'm playing in these days, all have a female member.
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Mark Delsing
On 9 Apr 1997 14:08:05 GMT, br...@fogerty.synnet.com (Brian Rost)
wrote:
>This may be a stereotype in itself, but the female players I've worked with have to
>constantly prove themselves as good as or better than their male counterparts, so they
>usually kick butt and take names on a regular basis.
Unfortunately, I have not been witness to such. Most of the women in
bands I have worked with were either singers, or really lousy
giutarists. Maybe it's just the "alternative" scene here is Chicago,
but it seems all the female musicians here either emulate Natalie
Merchant (signers) or Courtney Love (talentless idiots) and just bash
away on out-of-tune giutars and scream lyrics about how much men suck.
Anyone ever hear of Debbie Davies? 2nd guitarist for the late great
Albert Collins. She...rocked! Some of the best tone I have ever heard.
Or Juliana Hatfield; great tone, great songs, great voice. Are Vixen
and Hole the only role models for women in music today?
>It's definitely a healthy change in the scene from say twenty years ago. Of the three
>bands I'm playing in these days, all have a female member.
There are definitely more women in the contemporary rock scene (seems
you don't get signed if there aren't women in your band), but I still
see the more "technical" side of music (i.e., excellence at your
instrument, NOT shredding) relegated to the men. I suppose Veruca Salt
are alright, but, MAN, their SNL show had one of the worst giutar
solos I've ever heard; painful!
RSC Geology
Brian Rost wrote:
>
> It's definitely a healthy change in the scene from say twenty years ago. Of the three
> bands I'm playing in these days, all have a female member.
>
Isn't there some kind of rule that alternative bands are supposed to
have a female bass player?
Phil Hughes
Unknown
On 8 Apr 1997 11:41:53 GMT, "Lotus Major Domo" <lo...@zip.com.au>
wrote:
>> I have only personally met 5 female guitarists myself, although I am not
>> very active in the local music community. We are out there, you just
>> have to look for us. Please, if you do see one of us, don't say, "Hey,
>> you're pretty good, for a girl!" because if it happens to be me, I
>> can't be held responsible for my actions.:) Except if you are a
>> "Stevie" in good standing, then you can say, "Hey, you're pretty good,
>> for a Stevie!" Me and a female bass player caused quite a stir at the
>> almost local Sam Ash, because we both happened to be in the store at the
>> same time, *actually playing the instruments* instead of hanging on the
>> arms of our boyfriends or husbands.
>am VERY glad to finally have found someone with chops and taste. I find it
>interesting that just because shes a girl, she should be thought of in
>higher regard than a guy doing the same thing.
>(Dont get me wrong, I know why they do it.....the fact that she is in the
>minority etc etc)
>
>She finds it difficult too. After 10 years of playing bass like a mutha she
>is a bit sick of all the compliments. (guys do go a bit over the top
>sometimes).
I don't know any women in the area who are musicians. But, I can see
that I would be drooling over one if I found one. I don't feel I'm
sexist at all, but frankly, it is the ultimate goal for me to find a
woman who plays. I think that's something I'd like to have in common
to share with someone...
Chris
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elizabeth west
Chris wrote:
>
> I don't know any women in the area who are musicians. But, I can see
> that I would be drooling over one if I found one. I don't feel I'm
> sexist at all, but frankly, it is the ultimate goal for me to find a
> woman who plays. I think that's something I'd like to have in common
> to share with someone...
>
> Chris
>
> ____________________
Hey, where were all of you guys when I was single?? Actually it's a
great thing to share music with another person, and there is never any
argument over whether to buy another guitar or amp or whatever. If I
have a GAS attack, the only question Chris asks me is if he can play it
too!
Eliza"stevie"beth
Brian Rost
In article <334be96c...@news.enteract.com>, mdel...@enteract.com (Mark Delsing) writes:
|> On 9 Apr 1997 14:08:05 GMT, br...@fogerty.synnet.com (Brian Rost)
|> wrote:
|>
|> >This may be a stereotype in itself, but the female players I've worked with have to
|> >constantly prove themselves as good as or better than their male counterparts, so they
|> >usually kick butt and take names on a regular basis.
|>
|> Unfortunately, I have not been witness to such. Most of the women in
|> bands I have worked with were either singers, or really lousy
|> giutarists. Maybe it's just the "alternative" scene here is Chicago,
Yeah, I don't play "alternative" music. The women I was referring to play jazz,
blues, R&B, etc. Probably why I haven't run into any guitar players yet 8^)
Lee Yuk Ting
>
>Um... I may be revealing a little too much here, but I would be putty
>in the hands of a woman who could really play guitar! You think that
>the women in Veruca Salt get LESS male groupies because they play
>guitar? Gimme a break!
>
No, they get less groupies because their both PIGS, I mean, I've seen
better heads on dicks.
mc...@vms.cis.pitt.edu
>>Um... I may be revealing a little too much here, but I would be putty
>>in the hands of a woman who could really play guitar! You think that
>>the women in Veruca Salt get LESS male groupies because they play
>>guitar? Gimme a break!
Lee Yuk says:
> No, they get less groupies because their both PIGS, I mean, I've seen
> better heads on dicks.
Mickey Yahoo-Mooshoo says:
Well, Lee, if you are into that I think you should go for it. It's the
nineties and if you really like dick heads, then don't let anyone put you down
for it.
I don't find the women in Veruca Salt to be compelling, but for my tastes, I
much prefer then to any penis I've seen (maybe the dicks in Lee's neighborhood
are a lot prettier than those here in Pittsburgh, I dunno).
Mickey Yahoo-Mooshoo
Pittsburgh, PA
Dolores Neese
I've been playing guitar for about 35 years. When I first started playing
in the early Joan Baez era, it was mostly women who were singing and
playing guitar. I didn't know it was a "guy thing". Jeez, I was too busy
singing and having fun in the Beat coffee houses in L.A.
DN
Mkcston
do you remember the grandma on the pepsi or coke commercial? she rocks,
and guess what she can really play. i have a friend who knows her.
tuco
Lee Yuk Ting wrote:
>
> >
> >Um... I may be revealing a little too much here, but I would be putty
> >in the hands of a woman who could really play guitar! You think that
> >the women in Veruca Salt get LESS male groupies because they play
> >guitar? Gimme a break!
> >
>
> better heads on dicks.
Well, now, I suppose you're a perfect physical specimen, a real Adonis.
You'd better be, because your brain is uglier than syphilis.
KSeward
<<As for female drummers, there is Moe (um, last name forgotten), original
drummer for the Velvet Underground.>>
Maureen "Moe" Tucker