What's in Your CD Player?
The Divine Ms. D
Phil Vassar "Phil Vassar" - his debut CD is a wonderful example
of an artist who can write, sing and play. He also
has
an incredible stage presence! I saw him open for
Jo Dee Messina on July 6th. Some of the best studio
musicians have worked on this record, including
Brent Mason, Michael Landau, Glen Worf,
Dan Dugmore and Lonnie Wilson.
Jo Dee Messina "I'm Alright". This fiesty copper-haired beauty can
sing anything from classic country to kick-ass
rock.
What a show she put on two weeks ago!
Bonnie Raitt "Road Tested." Awesome live album. Her new CD
will be released soon!
Scott Henderson "Tore Down House." Can't wait to see him again in
September at Johnny D's!
Santana "Abraxas." This CD was originally released over
30 years ago and it's still one of my favorites.
--Sharon
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/STRATQUEEN/index.html">Stratqueen's Page</A>
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity."
Robb Scott
strat...@aol.com (The Divine Ms. D) wrote:
[interesting stuff snipped]
> Scott Henderson "Tore Down House." Can't wait to see him again in
> September at Johnny D's!
Sign me up for that. Ann too if it's not a weeknight. Heh.
But Sharon...what happened? Did you lose your copy of "Days into Years?".
----------------------
The One True Robb
Reply to ro...@ycrdi.com
----------------------
drwow
Ry Cooder - "Get Rythm"
'Trane - "Giant Steps"
Lowell George - "Thanks I'll Eat It Here"
Lenny Breau - "Five O'clock Bells"
Harry Belefonte - "Live ! at Carnegie Hall" ...... vol 1).
The Divine Ms. D
ro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) writes:
>> Scott Henderson "Tore Down House." Can't wait to see him again in
>> September at Johnny D's!
>
>Sign me up for that. Ann too if it's not a weeknight. Heh.
hehehe! I talked to Scott recently and he's all ramped up about coming
back to Boston. If Ann can't go, we'll just have to be BAD and go without her!
>But Sharon...what happened? Did you lose your copy of "Days into Years?".
LOL! No, I am still in love with Michael Fuller, and he's going to be
MINE someday (even though he doesn't know it yet). I think the pics of the
new Harley cinched it for me.
P.S. Ssssshh! I only love him for his GEAR. ;-)
Daniel R. Haney
>>> Scott Henderson "Tore Down House." Can't wait to see him again in
>>> September at Johnny D's!
>>
>> Sign me up for that. Ann too if it's not a weeknight. Heh.
>
> hehehe! I talked to Scott recently and he's all ramped up about coming
> back to Boston. If Ann can't go, we'll just have to be BAD and go without her!
Has he mentioned a date yet?
Neither Scott's nor Johnny D's site has an itinerary past mid-August.
I may be in Boston in the first week of September for a trade show
and need to get out of Boston proper in the evenings.
-drh
--
Carl Fia
"The Divine Ms. D" <strat...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010721165821...@nso-md.aol.com...
> In article <robb-21070...@lynn2-sns-tnt-01-118.port.shore.net>,
> ro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) writes:
>
> >> Scott Henderson "Tore Down House." Can't wait to see him again in
> >> September at Johnny D's!
> >
> >Sign me up for that. Ann too if it's not a weeknight. Heh.
>
> hehehe! I talked to Scott recently and he's all ramped up about
coming
> back to Boston. If Ann can't go, we'll just have to be BAD and go without
her!
>
I'll be trying to make that one as well.
Sign me up for that show.
The Divine Ms. D
<arsphe...@earthlink.net> writes:
>> hehehe! I talked to Scott recently and he's all ramped up about coming
>> back to Boston. If Ann can't go, we'll just have to be BAD and go without
>her!
>
>Has he mentioned a date yet?
>Neither Scott's nor Johnny D's site has an itinerary past mid-August.
>
Scott said either the second or third week of September. Keep checking
the website regularly for updates: http://www.johnnyds.com
The Divine Ms. D
<ca...@optonline.net> writes:
>I'll be trying to make that one as well.
>Sign me up for that show.
You'll have to check the website and call for reservations at least two
weeks ahead of time, or you will not be able to get a table for the show.
Luckily, he saved me a table the first year I went (1999) or I would have been
in trouble.
Robb Scott
> I may be in Boston in the first week of September for a trade show
Wow, that'd be great! It'll be nice to see you Dan, old buddy old pal. Heh
heh....
(Anyone got any crazy glue? Damn, where's the crazy glue...?).
Carl Fia
> In article <Xcm67.85962$qs5.16...@news02.optonline.net>, "Carl Fia"
> <ca...@optonline.net> writes:
>
> >I'll be trying to make that one as well.
> >Sign me up for that show.
>
> You'll have to check the website and call for reservations at least
two
> weeks ahead of time, or you will not be able to get a table for the show.
> Luckily, he saved me a table the first year I went (1999) or I would have
been
> in trouble.
>
> --Sharon
Save me a seat...next to Robb.
Carl Fia
> In article <Xcm67.85962$qs5.16...@news02.optonline.net>, "Carl Fia"
> <ca...@optonline.net> writes:
>
> >I'll be trying to make that one as well.
> >Sign me up for that show.
>
> You'll have to check the website and call for reservations at least
two
> weeks ahead of time, or you will not be able to get a table for the show.
> Luckily, he saved me a table the first year I went (1999) or I would have
been
> in trouble.
>
> --Sharon
I never got to thank you for trying to help me out last year. It was much
appreciated.
email me when you get a chance.
Daniel R. Haney
> Daniel R. Haney wrote:
>> I may be in Boston in the first week of September for a trade show
>
> Wow, that'd be great! It'll be nice to see you Dan, old buddy old pal. Heh
> heh....
>
> (Anyone got any crazy glue? Damn, where's the crazy glue...?).
Okay, I can accept that you'd wanna razz me for buying a
Jerry Jones sitar and conscripting you to drive a couple
hours to get it. I can barely tolerate that you're trying
to "improve" it while it's still in your care.
For the last time, you must ROUTE OUT THE BODY to install
a Floyd Rose bridge. Super Glue simply won't do. Hammer
and cold chisel are the preferred implements of destruction.
At the very least, would you kindly remove the B-bender that
Dan Stanley hack-butchered in while in a fit of "creativity?"
With friends like these...
-drh
--
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Break Through In Grey Room (William S. Burroughs)
Edge Of The Century (R. Carlos Nakai)
Greatest Fits (Ministry)
It Is Forbidden (Sun Ra)
Machine (Static X)
Music From A Painted Cave (Robert Mirabal)
175 Progress Drive (Mumia Abu-Jamal)
Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale (Sun Ra/Blues Project)
Spirit Of The Canyon (Ah Nee Mah)
Tomb Raider Soundtrack [Various Artists]
Tribal Dreams [Various Artists]
Under One Sky [Various Artists]
Todd Tamanend Clark
Avant-Guitarist/Electronic-Percussionist/Skeleton-Keyboardist
Greensboro, Pennsylvania
--
Free Leonard Peltier !
Free Lori Berenson !
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
Free The Western Hemisphere !
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> Free Leonard Peltier !
> Free Lori Berenson !
> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
Tell 'em to stop committing crimes.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin ignorantly spewed glibly when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK initially exclaimed:
>>
>> Free Leonard Peltier !
>> Free Lori Berenson !
>> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
>
> Tell 'em to stop committing crimes.
None of the above committed the crimes for which they
were convicted.
On average, approximately twenty-five percent of the
people in prisons in the United States are falsely charged
and are actually innocent. The percentage is even higher
in Peru where Lori Berenson is being unjustly held as a
political prisoner.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Activist/Anarchist/Author/Recording Artist
Greene County, Pennsylvania
"You'll never silence tha voice of tha voiceless."
- - Zack De La Rocha
Mark Garvin
>>"The Divine Ms. D" <strat...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> <ca...@optonline.net> writes:
>>
>> >I'll be trying to make that one as well.
>> >Sign me up for that show.
>> You'll have to check the website and call for reservations at least
>two
>> weeks ahead of time, or you will not be able to get a table for the show.
>> Luckily, he saved me a table the first year I went (1999) or I would have
>been
>> in trouble.
> Save me a seat...next to Robb.
Why?
MG
Carl Fia
"Mark Garvin" <mga...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:9jf15g$3h7$1...@panix2.panix.com...
See the show.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net>, the boy born to be a victim,
snivelled in message
> On average, approximately twenty-five percent of the
> people in prisons in the United States are falsely charged
> and are actually innocent.
That is by far the most utterly absurd and hilarious ststement you have made
here yet, and that's saying a lot. If you had any idea how difficult it is
to actually get arrested, indicted, and convicted for a crime that you did
not commit you would realize how ridiculous you look. There are innocent
people in prison, but the percentage is nowhere near 25%. Todd, you are a
born victim and you find injustice in everything in life. Whether you
choose to live in your little fantasy world or join the rest of us in
reality is up to you, but I suspect that you're still to naive and immature
to recognize your own delusions.
john v verkuilen
Dammit can Lindsay Buckingham play some kick ass guitar. I have been working
on learning "Never Going Back Again" which is tricky....
Jonatha Brooke, Steady Pull (one of my favorites now)
Matthew Sweet, Girlfriend, Altered Beast, 100% Fun (Robert Quine and Richard
Lloyd are all over these)
fIREHOSE, Flyin' the Flannel, Ragin' Full On. Love these guys from way back.
And, RMMG's very own Steve Sklar on Big Sky's Diamonds and Other Gems.
Jay
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it
concentrates his mind wonderfully." --Dr. Samuel Johnson
Steve
Steve (SEFSTRAT)
music webpage: http://members.aol.com/sefstrat/index.html/sefpage.html
Dan Stanley
"Steve" <sefs...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20010722145141...@ng-ft1.aol.com...
> At this moment, "The Wild Geese", an Irish group.
Let me guess....poop?
Robb Scott
Garvin) wrote:
> > Save me a seat...next to Robb.
>
> Why?
So he can serve me that subpeona, of course, maybe get that lawsuit
rolling. Howzat comin', Hamster? Haven't heard from your lawyer yet.
Probably just some kinda legal snag, right? Like maybe, oh I dunno...your
lawyer is still laughing his ass off at you? Kinda like the rest of us?
Love and kisses. Consider your seat saved.
Robb Scott
c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM wrote:
> Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of
> the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.
Hmmm...faulty logic, I think. If they're guilty of something, let them be
tried and convicted for that thing. Setting them up for a false conviction
just because "we know they're guilty of something" is a one-way train back
to pre-90s Russia or South Africa (or pre-Civil Rights America).
Not that I buy Todd's 25% figure, which is absurd. I do believe that
there's a great percentage of folks in prison for doing nothing more than
using or selling drugs, I thinks it's something like 25-30%, and THAT's a
real tragedy. No one should be arrested for using drugs, let alone
imprisoned.
Oren Zero
what.
--
Win $50 USD by adding one of the tunes at
http://www.mp3.com/orenzero/ to a "top 3" spot on
your mp3.com Station. See URL above for details.
Dan Stanley
"Prometheus" <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in message
news:sscmltkcqthsc04e2...@4ax.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:03:11 GMT, "Odin" <od...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >That is by far the most utterly absurd and hilarious ststement you have
made
> >here yet, and that's saying a lot. If you had any idea how difficult it
is
> >to actually get arrested, indicted, and convicted for a crime that you
did
> >not commit you would realize how ridiculous you look. There are innocent
> >people in prison, but the percentage is nowhere near 25%. Todd, you are
a
> >born victim and you find injustice in everything in life. Whether you
> >choose to live in your little fantasy world or join the rest of us in
> >reality is up to you, but I suspect that you're still to naive and
immature
> >to recognize your own delusions.
>
> the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.
Guilty guilty guilty!
Stevie Officer Shrift
PS: What the HELL does "allegedly innocent" mean?
Robb Scott
c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM wrote:
> I read that 60% of the inmates in our penal system are there
> (directly or indirectly) due to drug charges.
I believe that. Of course, if by "indirectly" it is meant "I shot a guy
for non-payment" then obviously jail is warranted.
> I am now, and have for
> a long time - been a proponent of the complete legalization of drugs.
> Let's legalize it, regulate it's sale, and tax the shit out of it.
With ya there. The current system is pathetically ineffective and corrupt.
> Of course, there is a certain individual in this newsgroup
> who think I'm insane for that kind of thing. I won't mention any
> names, but he'd rather keep the war on drugs going (because it's been
> SO effective in it's 30 year history).
Well, he's not the only one. But the pendulum appears to be swinging
towards rationality. Slowly.
> And of course, he's all for
> allowing only the pseudo-god M.D.'s to be the one's who can remain the
> sole legal drug dealers. <G>
Heh...
Daniel R. Haney
> I am now, and have for
> a long time - been a proponent of the complete legalization of drugs.
> Let's legalize it, regulate it's sale, and tax the shit out of it.
Now THAT would be a problem.
There are organizations that require large amounts of unreported
liquid assets which only the drug trade can provide.
Every time the legislators raise the penalties on a particular
illicit drug, you can bet that the drug has been deemed a
money maker and that someone wants the market cleared of smaller
competing laboratories.
Legalizing and taxing drugs would remove a cash cow for organizations
and people at a particular confluence of money and power. Don't expect
them to go away overnight.
-drh
--
Dan Stanley
"Prometheus" <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:46:49 -0400, ro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) wrote:
>
> >> Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of
> >> the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.
> >
> >Hmmm...faulty logic, I think. If they're guilty of something, let them be
> >tried and convicted for that thing. Setting them up for a false
conviction
> >just because "we know they're guilty of something" is a one-way train
back
> >to pre-90s Russia or South Africa (or pre-Civil Rights America).
>
> in here for?" "Didn't do it. Lawyer fucked me". <G>
Great story, very good movie. Morgan Freeman is like a god to me.
Polfus
>From: Prometheus c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM
>Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of
the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.>
WHHHOOOSSSHHH!
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Polfus
>From: Prometheus c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM
>I read that 60% of the inmates in our penal system are there (directly or
indirectly) due to drug charges. I am now, and have for a long time - been a
proponent of the complete legalization of drugs.
Like crack, cocaine, morphine, heroin, speed, LSD, mushrooms, Angel
Dust/PCP...legalize those "drugs"?
>Of course, there is a certain individual in this newsgroup who think I'm
insane for that kind of thing.>
I sure do think you are insane for that kind of thing.
>I won't mention any names, but he'd rather keep the war on drugs going
(because it's been SO effective in it's 30 year history).>
When in the hell have I *EVER* talked about the US's policy and practices
towards the war on drugs? The answer is *never*, so how do you know what I want
the US to do?
>And of course, he's all for allowing only the pseudo-god M.D.'s to be the
one's who can remain the sole legal drug dealers. <G>>
And again, you make this up, as I have not said anything of the sort.
But feel free to post your proof to back up this allegation, which you most
certainly will not be able to do.
Thanks for your help.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin broke out his leftover cyber crayons from just
> having graduated from virtual kindergarten this past
> spring and scrawled thusly when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK conservatively cited:
>>
>> On average, approximately twenty-five percent of the
>> people in prisons in the United States are falsely
>> charged and are actually innocent.
>
> That is by far the most utterly absurd and hilarious
> saying a lot. If you had any idea how difficult it is to
> actually get arrested, indicted, and convicted for a
> crime that you did not commit you would realize how
> ridiculous you look.
Only if you happen to be a wealthy caucasian who
conforms to the short-haired dominant society.
> There are innocent people in prison, but the percentage
> is nowhere near 25%.
If you disagree with the statistics I have presented, please
post your own.
> You are a born victim and you find injustice in everything
> in life.
You obviously have more pairs of rose-colored glasses
in your collection than you do guitars.
> Whether you choose to live in your little fantasy world or
> join the rest of us in reality is up to you...
Acculturate to your fascist version of "reality" ? Never.
Todd Tamanend Clark
President
West Virginia Native American Coalition
James A. Donald
TODD TAMANEND CLARK:
> > > Free Leonard Peltier !
> > > Free Lori Berenson !
> > > Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
Odin
> > Tell 'em to stop committing crimes.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> None of the above committed the crimes for which they
> were convicted.
While it is possibel to argue that Peltier did not receive a fair
trial, and Mumia Abu-Jamal clearly did not get a fair trial, all of
them appear to be guilty of murder on the balance of probabilities.
Lori Berenson was co conspirator in terrorist acts against unarmed
people, and Peltier appears to have murdered a disarmed and helpless
prisoner.
In the case of Peltier, the defence argument is that the FBI were
terrorizing indian activists, which they were, and that Peltier's
actions therefore constitute self defence (which is rather doubtful),
rather than arguing that Peltier did not kill anyone.
--digsig
James A. Donald
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
Rusty
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
Keep talking that way and I'll take away your fire water.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> James A. Donald interjected when:
>
>>>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK included in his
>>>> posting signature:
>>>>
>>>> Free Leonard Peltier !
>>>> Free Lori Berenson !
>>>> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell 'em to stop committing crimes.
>>
>>
>> None of the above committed the crimes for which
>> they were convicted.
>
> receive a fair trial, and Mumia Abu-Jamal clearly did
So far, so good.
> ... all of them appear to be guilty of murder on the
> balance of probabilities.
The key word here is "appear".
> Lori Berenson was co-conspirator in terrorist acts
> against unarmed people, and Peltier appears to have
> murdered a disarmed and helpless prisoner.
Both of your above statements are inaccurate.
> In the case of Peltier, the defence (sic) argument is
> that the FBI were terrorizing indian activists, which they
> were...
Absolutely.
> ... and that Peltier's actions therefore constitute self
> defence (sic)...
Which they did.
> ... rather than arguing that Peltier did not kill anyone.
He did not.
For those who wish to read more:
Bertram
<c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:46:49 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
><tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>
>>Todd Tamanend Clark
>>President
>>West Virginia Native American Coalition
>
> Hey, can I join your group? I'm a Native American. I was
>born in this country!
>
>
>Prometheus
>
Well, I agree with the theory that all humanity had its origins in
Africa. That makes all US citizens African Americans and those born
here Native Americans as well.
Dan Stanley
"Prometheus" <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in message
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:23:47 GMT, "Dan Stanley" <vze2...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Guilty guilty guilty!
>
> Nice Catholic Church content.
>
> >Stevie Officer Shrift
>
> I wanna make a phone call!
I'll make sure you get a short sentence.
> >PS: What the HELL does "allegedly innocent" mean?
>
> It's almost the same thing as *allegedly innocent*...but not
> quite.
Indeed. Think about it.
The Divine Ms. D
>
SNIP
>
>> Save me a seat...next to Robb.
Sorry, Carl. The only way you get to sit *next* to Robb is if you're
sitting on my lap. That would be interesting, with me being 6' tall and you
being nearly 6' 5". heh.
--Sharon
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/STRATQUEEN/index.html">Stratqueen's Page</A>
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity."
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> >> On average, approximately twenty-five percent of the
> >> people in prisons in the United States are falsely
> >> charged and are actually innocent.
> >
> > That is by far the most utterly absurd and hilarious
> > ststement (sic) you have made here yet, and that's
> > saying a lot. If you had any idea how difficult it is to
> > actually get arrested, indicted, and convicted for a
> > crime that you did not commit you would realize how
> > ridiculous you look.
>
> Only if you happen to be a wealthy caucasian who
> conforms to the short-haired dominant society.
I'm neither wealthy nor do I conform to the short haired dominant society.
But I also don't find racism and injustice hiding in my ham & cheese like
you do
> > There are innocent people in prison, but the percentage
> > is nowhere near 25%.
>
> If you disagree with the statistics I have presented, please
> post your own.
OK, let's say about 2-3% of the people convicted and serving prison
sentences in the US are actually not guilty of the crime they were charged
with (which is not even close to the same as being "innocent"). And the
vast majority of people convicted and serving prison sentences in the US are
guilty of many more crimes than they were ever convicted of. But that's
irrelevant to the subject at hand.
> > You are a born victim and you find injustice in everything
> > in life.
>
> You obviously have more pairs of rose-colored glasses
> in your collection than you do guitars.
I see the world with my own eyes, not through racism tinted glasses or rose
colored glasses. You, OTOH, feel the need to find injustice everywhere yet
you have done nothing to change the justice system. Are you part of the
problem or part of the solution?
> > Whether you choose to live in your little fantasy world or
> > join the rest of us in reality is up to you...
>
> Acculturate to your fascist version of "reality" ? Never.
You have already ststed in the past that you will not assimilate into
American culture, so I guess reality is out of the question too. The bottom
line is, the European settlers destroyed the Native Americans and their
lifestyles in short order. In essence, the Europeans "won" and the Indians
"lost". There's no need to debate the "right" and "wrong" of that reality
because it is reality and it is over. It may not have a nice PC ring to it,
but that's the reality so get used to it and get over it. Furthermore, most
of us don't feel sorry for you. All races of people have been subjected to
persecution and attack throughout history (and are subject to those attacks
again at any time), but some of us move forward sooner than others. Your
repetitous, self-righteous bullshit is tiresome.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> For those who wish to read more:
>
> http://www.freepeltier.org/
>
> http://www.freelori.org/
>
> http://www.freemumia.org/
Now there are three fine examples of unbiased facts if I ever saw such a
thing, HAHAHAHA!
Todd, why must you crosspost your little political wars in a weak effort to
elicit support from your fellow radical victims? Can't your debates stand
on their own merit without dragging your lackeys into these things?
Carl Fia
> >> "Carl Fia" <ca...@optonline.net> writes:
> >
> SNIP
> >
> >> Save me a seat...next to Robb.
>
> Sorry, Carl. The only way you get to sit *next* to Robb is if you're
> sitting on my lap. That would be interesting, with me being 6' tall and
you
> being nearly 6' 5". heh.
>
> --Sharon
Might be a bit uncomfortable.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin wrote:
>
> I also don't find racism and injustice hiding in my
That would be pretty hard to do considering that I eat a
traditional diet consisting of foods indigenous to the
Western Hemisphere since precolumbian times, which
obviously doesn't include pork and dairy.
>>> There are innocent people in prison, but the
>>> percentage is nowhere near 25%.
>>
>> If you disagree with the statistics I have presented,
>> please post your own.
>
> OK, let's say about 2-3% of the people convicted and
> serving prison sentences in the US are actually not
> guilty of the crime they were charged with (which is not
> even close to the same as being "innocent"). And the
> vast majority of people convicted and serving prison
> sentences in the US are guilty of many more crimes
> than they were ever convicted of.
Sources please ?
> You feel the need to find injustice everywhere, yet you
> have done nothing to change the justice system.
I've been a civil rights activist since I was a teenager in
high school in the late 1960s. I've put myself on the line
engaging in civil disobedience many times during those
thirty-five years. I have raised six children to have a
social conscience and am quite proud of their activism
as well.
On top of that, I am currently working on my eleventh
album and my fourth book, having had my first book
published in 1974 and my first record in 1975, not to
mention the thousands of editorial essays I've had
published.
> Are you part of the problem or part of the solution ?
Been listening to some vintage MC5 lately, Odie ?
> You have already stated in the past that you will not
> assimilate into American culture, so I guess reality is
> out of the question too.
"Reality", as you use the term, is a highly subjective
concept.
> The bottom line is, the European settlers destroyed the
> Native Americans and their lifestyles in short order.
No, even after five hundred and nine years of genocide,
we're still here.
> In essence, the Europeans "won" and the Indians
>"lost". There's no need to debate the "right" and
> "wrong" of that reality because it is reality and it is over.
It is far from over.
"Ancient prophecies foretold the arrival of Europeans in
the Americas. The ancient prophecies also foretell the
disappearance of all things European."
- - Leslie Marmon Silko
The struggle is occuring on many levels: physically,
culturally, and spiritually.
Or, as one saying goes:
"Our warrior class is now our lawyer class."
Todd Tamanend Clark
President
West Virginia Native American Coalition
--
Free Leonard Peltier !
http://www.freepeltier.org
Free Lori Berenson !
http://www.freelori.org
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
http://www.freemumia.org
Free The Western Hemisphere !
http://server.horizons.k12.mi.us/~aim/
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
>
> Why must you crosspost your little political wars ?
Because either:
A) I just finished reading "The Joy Of Crossposting"
and couldn't wait to try out some of the recipes ?
Or:
B) I know how much it ticks you off, Odie, and ticking
off racists on the internet is a pastime my ex-girl friend
taught me years ago.
> Can't your debates stand on their own merit ?
This whole thread began as a musical discussion of what
compact discs people are currently listening to. You're
the one who turned it into a political debate by pouncing
on a tangent from my posting signature.
So how DO you like the new Iggy Pop album, Odie ?
Todd Tamanend Clark
Author/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Greene County, Pennsylvania
--
Free Leonard Peltier !
http://www.freepeltier.org/
Free Lori Berenson !
http://www.freelori.org/
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
http://www.freemumia.org/
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Prometheus perturbedly postulated:
>
> By being a supremely annoying little pissant, you're
> effectively ruining any chance that us (non-racists)
> will actually stop to listen to your messages.
Despite that I sometimes approach things from the
theoretical Abbie Hoffman school of sarcastic activism,
why should it bother you personally if you're in no way
involved in the conversation and if you actually agree
with my points philosophically ?
Are you so easily hyper-annoyable, that you feel a
burning need to play rabid net censor ?
Todd Tamanend Clark
Paradoxical Philosopher/Performance Artist/Black Humorist
Bobcat
sentences.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/
And most of prisoners are in prison for non-violent offenses... being
caught with a joint just NOT justify a life sentence... I don't care
what the law is..
And the FBI coerced witnesses, fabricated evidence, all to convict
Leonard Peltier... His two co-defendants were found 'Innocent by Self
Defense'.
http://www.freepeltier.org/trials_comp.htm#top
You need examples of FBI misconduct?
(1) Conspiracy to [commit] perjury and to cover
up said subornation in the case of Louis Moves
Camp, a prosecution witness;
(2) suppression of an FBI statement exposing
the
perjury of Alexander David Richards, a
prosecution witness;
I could go on for hours.. but you can read it all for yourself at
www.freepeltier.org
The FBI even provided arms to GOONS that helped murder over 65
people..
But of course, it's the FBI.. I guess we can't expect much better from
those morons... I don't trust ANY cases they are involved in..
I was gullible once.. I was also a victim of Violent Crime, but
through years of experience and objective analysis.. 25% is NOT that
far off...
Bobcat
www.freepeltier.org
ro...@ycrdi.com (Robb Scott) wrote in message news:<robb-22070...@lynn2-sns-tnt-01-172.port.shore.net>...
The Divine Ms. D
<ca...@optonline.net> writes:
> Sorry, Carl. The only way you get to sit *next* to Robb is if you're
>> sitting on my lap. That would be interesting, with me being 6' tall and
>you being nearly 6' 5". heh.
>>
>> --Sharon
>
>
>Might be a bit uncomfortable.
I've had bigger guys than you on my lap, and over my knee. Heh.
Rev Dirk Wobbly
> B) I know how much it ticks you off, Odie, and ticking
> off racists on the internet is a pastime my ex-girl friend
> taught me years ago.
If that's your idea of fun no wonder she is your ex-girlfriend.
Rev Dirk Wobbly
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of
person I'm preaching to."
"Bob" in 'Newsweek'
Need Slack?
http://www.subgenius.com/
john v verkuilen
> Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of
>the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.
Which is relevant in our legal system exactly HOW?
Jay
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it
concentrates his mind wonderfully." --Dr. Samuel Johnson
john v verkuilen
>Legalizing and taxing drugs would remove a cash cow for organizations
>and people at a particular confluence of money and power. Don't expect
>them to go away overnight.
Indeed, I've heard that quite a lot of "legitimate" enterprises like big
international banks are in effect laundering drug money through their
deposits. A lot of banks choose just to look the other way I suspect.
Most of the economy and government of Mexico has been undermined by drug
money.
JJ
on the tray It's had a bad case of premature
EJECTULATION lately !!!
Joey
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Prometheus replied when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK previously wrote:
>>
>> Despite that I sometimes approach things from the
>> theoretical Abbie Hoffman school of sarcastic
>> activism, why should it bother you personally if you're
>> in no way involved in the conversation and if you
>> actually agree with my points philosophically ?
>
> unnecessary spamming of a non-political newsgroup
> (in this case - rec.music.makers.guitar).
As I explained in another post, this thread actually
originated on rec.music.makers.guitar as a musical
question. Stratqueen (AKA The Divine Miss D), on
about a monthly basis or so, posts a heading entitled
"What's In Your CD Player ?", and various regular
denizens of the news group then respond with what
they are currently listening to.
During the latest incarnation of said thread, I posted
this list of compact discs:
Beat 'Em Up (Iggy Pop)
Break Through In Grey Room (William S. Burroughs)
Edge Of The Century (R. Carlos Nakai)
Greatest Fits (Ministry)
It Is Forbidden (Sun Ra)
Machine (Static X)
Music From A Painted Cave (Robert Mirabal)
175 Progress Drive (Mumia Abu-Jamal)
Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale (Sun Ra/Blues Project)
Spirit Of The Canyon (Ah Nee Mah)
Tomb Raider Soundtrack [Various Artists]
Tribal Dreams [Various Artists]
Under One Sky [Various Artists]
However, in my standard posting signature was included this:
Free Leonard Peltier !
Free Lori Berenson !
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
Free The Western Hemisphere !
Another regular poster from the guitar group named
Odin, who is infamous for his right wing rants, totally
ignored both my album list and the original question by
Stratqueen and instead decided to sidetrack the thread
into politics by posting:
"Tell 'em to stop committing crimes."
> I don't have a problem with your message. In fact, I may
> very well have been interested in listening to what it is
> that you have to say. However, your methods are brash
> and annoying.
Only when the person I'm replying to has taken that tone
previously.
> And while you may rub your hands in glee at the fact
> that you have succeeded in annoying others, you may
> wish to consider that they're effectively sabotaging your
> efforts of persuasion.
That is an unfortunate side effect sometimes. It all
depends on the personality of each reader.
>> Are you so easily hyper-annoyable, that you feel a
>> burning need to play rabid net censor ?
>
> A rabid net censor? I think not. Once again, let me
> underscore that I don't have a problem with your
> message. Nor do I wish to censor you.
That's cool, but in the past I've had problems with
hypocrites who say don't post your indigenous liberation
philosophies here as they are off topic, and then those
same individuals will start long threads on christianity
or gun control other dominant culture themes that are
equally off topic.
> I'm merely stressing that rec.music.makers.guitar is a
> completely inappropriate pulpit for sharing your
> message. This newsgroup is about guitars. If you are
> a guitar player, and wish to chat about guitars, guitar
> players, gigs, recording...etc.., then I'll be the first one
> to welcome you aboard.
I've been a professional guitar player for several
decades and have already been a regular poster on
rec.music.makers.guitar for two and a half years, during
which time I've contributed much musical content.
> I'm afraid that's about as polite as I can put it.
I appreciate your good manners and always respond in
kind when approached politely.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Guitarist/Percussionist/Synthesist/Vocalist
Greene County, Pennsylvania
Twang
john v verkuilen <ja...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:5bZ67.357$A3....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu...
> Prometheus <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> writes:
>
> > Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of
> >the crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*.
>
> Which is relevant in our legal system exactly HOW?
>
> Jay
Wasn't that great? How sixteenth century. You must be guilty or you wouldn't
be in court.
Dunk him under the boiling water, baliff, if he cooks, he's innocent, if
he's guilty he'll be fine and then we can hang him.
Of course, I like this idea being a big Blackadder fan.. *s*
Twang!
john v verkuilen
>> Which is relevant in our legal system exactly HOW?
>>
>> Jay
>Wasn't that great? How sixteenth century. You must be guilty or you wouldn't
>be in court.
Sixteenth century, hell, it's a very common attitude to hold today. People
get excluded from juries all the time for it (though probably not enough) and
I suspect most prosecutors and cops believe it, from what admittedly limited
evidence I've seen. I can't really blame them for it--they deal with the
detrius of society all the time which *has* to be frustrating to no end. But
our legal system was set up on the notion that it is better to let the guilty
go free than unjustly punish the innocent. These protections are in place
very often as responses to quite specific abuses that had occurred in English
law. My favorite is the Bill of Attainder, which is a law that says, in
effect, "Person X is illegal." :)
Jay
--
J. Verkuilen ja...@uiuc.edu
"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it
concentrates his mind wonderfully." --Dr. Samuel Johnson
Dissertation pages written: 52
Polfus
>From: Prometheus c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM
>I'm mearly stressing that rec.music.makers.guitar is a completely
inappropriate pulpit for sharing your message. This newsgroup is about
guitars. If you are a guitar player, and wish to chat about guitars, guitar
players, gigs, recording...etc.., then I'll be the first one to welcome you
aboard.>
Yet you responded with:
1) Prisons: "Maybe there are people in prison who are allegedly innocent of the
crime (they were convicted). But they're guilty of *something*."
2) MDs: "And of course, he's all for allowing only the pseudo-god M.D.'s to be
the one's who can remain the sole legal drug dealers. <G>"
3) Polfus: "Of course, there is a certain individual in this newsgroup
who think I'm insane for that kind of thing. I won't mention any names, but
he'd rather keep the war on drugs going (because it's been SO effective in it's
30 year history)." "What's that...society's hypocritical perception of the war
on drugs, or that one certain *individual* in RMMG? :)"
4) Illegal drugs: "I read that 60% of the inmates in our penal system are there
(directly or indirectly) due to drug charges. I am now, and have for
a long time - been a proponent of the complete legalization of drugs.Let's
legalize it, regulate it's sale, and tax the shit out of it."
5) Larceny/Addicts: "It doesn't even have to be a violent crime (such as your
example). How about larceny...which the addicts must do in order to pay for
their ever more expensive habit? Legalization would cause the
prices to plummet. So people wouldn't have to go to such extremes to
get the $$$ for their fix."
6) The War On Drugs: "Agreed. And even if we eliminated the corruption, it's
still a failed idea. That it's a failed idea which has been thoroughly
corrupted just adds insult to injury." "There is no doubt that the war on drugs
is BIG BUSINESS. There are billions of dollars to be made, and hundreds of
thousands of jobs on the line. That still does not justify sustaining this
bullshit."
7) Movies: "I like the line from Shawshank Redemption: "Hey what are you in
here for?" "Didn't do it. Lawyer fucked me". <G>Inmate: "When do we
eat"?Guard: "You eat when I say you eat. You shit when I say you shit. You got
that, you maggot dick motherfucker!?" <thwack> Yep. 'Tis a wonderful movie.
Great family entertainment. Especially around Christmas time. I especially
enjoy sipping on a glass of eggnog while watching Andy Dufrane fighting with
the bull-queers."
8) Native American Indians: "Hey, can I join your group? I'm a Native
American. I was born in this country!"
9) And even managed to slip in the Catholic Church: "Nice Catholic Church
content."
And you are upset that Todd isn't talking about "guitars"?
Is that correct?
Peace,
Polfus
http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Carl Fia
>
> And you are upset that Todd isn't talking about "guitars"?
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Peace,
> Polfus
> http://www.geocities.com/PolfusPage
Dildosheus is a big hypocrite.
Todd shut his ass right quick, as it should be shut.
He'll cry, come back in a week with yet a new name...how about "Assholicus"?
Tom Yost
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>
>> Odin ignorantly spewed glibly when:
>>
>>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK initially exclaimed:
>>>
>>> Free Leonard Peltier !
>>> Free Lori Berenson !
>>> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
>>
>> Tell 'em to stop committing crimes.
>
>
>None of the above committed the crimes for which they
>were convicted.
>
Just ask them, they'll tell you!
Nebuchadnezzar
> My favorite is the Bill of Attainder, which is a law that says, in
> effect, "Person X is illegal." :)
Lettre de Cachet is even better.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Nebuchadnezzar
> My favorite is the Bill of Attainder, which is a law that says, in
> effect, "Person X is illegal." :)
Lettre de Cachet is even better.
Later,
Andrew Mullhaupt
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> > I also don't find racism and injustice hiding in my
> > ham & cheese like you do.
>
> That would be pretty hard to do considering that I eat a
> traditional diet consisting of foods indigenous to the
> Western Hemisphere since precolumbian times, which
> obviously doesn't include pork and dairy.
Whhhhhooooooooooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
> >>> There are innocent people in prison, but the
> >>> percentage is nowhere near 25%.
> >>
> >> If you disagree with the statistics I have presented,
> >> please post your own.
> >
> > OK, let's say about 2-3% of the people convicted and
> > serving prison sentences in the US are actually not
> > guilty of the crime they were charged with (which is not
> > even close to the same as being "innocent"). And the
> > vast majority of people convicted and serving prison
> > sentences in the US are guilty of many more crimes
> > than they were ever convicted of.
>
>
> Sources please ?
I pulled it out of my ass, just like you did.
> > You feel the need to find injustice everywhere, yet you
> > have done nothing to change the justice system.
>
> I've been a civil rights activist since I was a teenager in
> high school in the late 1960s. I've put myself on the line
> engaging in civil disobedience many times during those
> thirty-five years. I have raised six children to have a
> social conscience and am quite proud of their activism
> as well.
All that activism and fifty cents will buy you today's paper.
> On top of that, I am currently working on my eleventh
> album and my fourth book, having had my first book
> published in 1974 and my first record in 1975, not to
> mention the thousands of editorial essays I've had
> published.
Never heard of you except on RMMG, but I'm sure that you're quite legendary
in your own mind. You're beginning to sound like Sef.
> > Are you part of the problem or part of the solution ?
>
> Been listening to some vintage MC5 lately, Odie ?
Don't know what MC5 is. Don't care to. Have been listening to some vintage
Merle Haggard tho.
> > You have already stated in the past that you will not
> > assimilate into American culture, so I guess reality is
> > out of the question too.
>
> "Reality", as you use the term, is a highly subjective
> concept.
Well, I call it reality. It works for me. And most of the population of
the US. But you keep right on believing in yourself and keep fighting the
good fight.
> > The bottom line is, the European settlers destroyed the
> > Native Americans and their lifestyles in short order.
>
> No, even after five hundred and nine years of genocide,
> we're still here.
In small pockets, mostly drunk and unemployed on dusty reservations.
Outrageous suicide rates, unemployment rates, crime rates, etc...the bottom
line - the Europenas were bad for the Native Americans, but there's nothing
to be done about that now so it's time to move forward.
> > In essence, the Europeans "won" and the Indians
> >"lost". There's no need to debate the "right" and
> > "wrong" of that reality because it is reality and it is over.
>
> It is far from over.
(Big belly laugh)......<sigh>......OK, whatever. But it's over Todd,
really, it is.
> "Ancient prophecies foretold the arrival of Europeans in
> the Americas. The ancient prophecies also foretell the
> disappearance of all things European."
> - - Leslie Marmon Silko
I don't put too much credibility in prohets or fortune cookies. Neither
should you.
> The struggle is occuring on many levels: physically,
> culturally, and spiritually.
>
> Or, as one saying goes:
>
> "Our warrior class is now our lawyer class."
I could stand to see a little genocide against the lawyer class.
Daniel R. Haney
> "Daniel R. Haney" writes:
> >Legalizing and taxing drugs would remove a cash cow for organizations
> >and people at a particular confluence of money and power. Don't expect
> >them to go away overnight.
>
> Indeed, I've heard that quite a lot of "legitimate" enterprises like big
> international banks are in effect laundering drug money through their
> deposits. A lot of banks choose just to look the other way I suspect.
> Most of the economy and government of Mexico has been undermined by drug
> money.
The biggest illicit drug consuming country in the world
is severely undermining its own economy.
The Great Depression was, in part, due to the shadow
economy created by the alcohol Prohibition Era.
-drh
--
Odin
> >
> > Why must you crosspost your little political wars ?
>
> Because either:
>
> A) I just finished reading "The Joy Of Crossposting"
> and couldn't wait to try out some of the recipes ?
You read Jarl?
> Or:
>
> B) I know how much it ticks you off, Odie, and ticking
> off racists on the internet is a pastime my ex-girl friend
> taught me years ago.
You're a little yapping puppy of a joke to me, Todd. You don't piss me off.
I like watching you yip and yap.
> > Can't your debates stand on their own merit ?
>
>
> This whole thread began as a musical discussion of what
> compact discs people are currently listening to. You're
> the one who turned it into a political debate by pouncing
> on a tangent from my posting signature.
You're the one who turns every post you make into a political issue with
your sig file. If you can't stand the attention don't post the sig file.
> So how DO you like the new Iggy Pop album, Odie ?
Iggy Pop is an overrated no talent bag of bones. I never heard anything by
Iggy Pop that I didn't enjoy turning off.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> > Odin queried:
> >
> > Why must you crosspost your little political wars ?
>
> Because either:
> B) I know how much it ticks you off, Odie, and ticking
> off racists on the internet is a pastime my ex-girl friend
> taught me years ago.
Either you have (a) a very different definition of "racist" than the rest of
the world, or (b) you just like to toss around sensational and inflammatory
terms to distract people's mind form the fact that you can't back up your
rhetoric. Either way it's sad. How can you define me as a racist when you
know nothing about me, yet if I attempted to define you with the very same
information you would label me a racist?
Daniel R. Haney
> "john v verkuilen" <ja...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> My favorite is the Bill of Attainder, which is a law that says, in
>> effect, "Person X is illegal." :)
>
> Lettre de Cachet is even better.
Hadda look it up.
Bartleby.com sez:
"An arbitrary warrant of imprisonment; a letter folded and sealed
with the king’s cachet or little seal. These were secret instructions
to the person addressed to proceed against someone named in the letter.
The lieutenant-general of police kept an unlimited number of these
instruments, and anyone, for a consideration, could obtain one, either
to conceal a criminal or to incarcerate someone obnoxious. This power
was abolished in the Revolution."
...to incarcerate someone obnoxious?
What an entertaining idea!
That requisite "consideration" for such a letter was doubtless expensive.
-drh
--
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> However, in my standard posting signature was included this:
>
> Free Leonard Peltier !
> Free Lori Berenson !
> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
> Free The Western Hemisphere !
>
> Another regular poster from the guitar group named
> Odin, who is infamous for his right wing rants, totally
> ignored both my album list and the original question by
> Stratqueen and instead decided to sidetrack the thread
> into politics by posting:
>
> "Tell 'em to stop committing crimes."
That's right, pup. You post "Free <insert convicted felon here>" and I post
"Tell 'em to stop committing crimes." What's the problem with that? You
don't like my statement so I'm a racist, but I'm supposed to swallow the
crap in your sig file with every post?
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin blindly blathered:
>
> Never heard of you except on RMMG...
I'm not responsible for your ignorance. I bet you don't
even know who the MC5 are.
[Cue more mass quantities of stupidity now.]
> Don't know what MC5 is. Don't care to.
Ah, not only ignorance, but apathy as well. The twin
hallmarks of a truly great mind. Not.
The MC5 were a great Detroit band from the late 1960s
and early 1970s who preached radical revolutionary
rhetoric. Their first album "Kick Out The Jams" is
considered by many to be the greatest live album in
rock history, and in many ways, they were the prototype
for Rage Against The Machine.
Your comment about the problem or the solution is
almost a direct quote from an introductory speech by their
manager, radical author and activist John Sinclair, who
was himself immortalized in song by John Lennon who
worked to:
Free John Sinclair !
> Have been listening to some vintage Merle Haggard tho.
It figures that someone of your ilk would resonate with the
single biggest fuckhead in the history of popular music. I
think I'll change my posting signature to include:
Fuck Merle Haggard !
> In small pockets, mostly drunk and unemployed on
> dusty reservations.
The majority of Native Americans, well over sixty percent,
do not live on reservations.
> Outrageous suicide rates, unemployment rates, crime
> rates, etc...
Due in large part to colonial cultural oppression and the
resulting physical poverty.
> ... the bottom line - the Europenas (sic) were bad for
> the Native Americans,...
For once in your miserable life, you've got something right.
> ... but there's nothing to be done about that now...
There's plenty to be done.
> ... so it's time to move forward.
We will move forward on our own terms.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Author/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Greene County, Pennsylvania
--
Free John Sinclair !
Free Wayne Kramer !
Fuck Merle Haggard !
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin spewed forth:
>
> You're a little yapping puppy of a joke to me.
One person's yapping puppy is another person's
freedom fighter.
Todd Tamanend Clark
The God Odin Worships/Yapping Puppy/Freedom Fighter
Greene County, Pennsylvania
--
Free Odin's Mind !
Free Guitars From Odin !
Return Texas To Mexico !
Remember The A La Mode !
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin from Asgard, Texas querulously exclaimed:
>
> How can you define me as a racist when you know
I have read your numerous bigoted posts on the internet
for many months now.
They are fully archived for all to read.
The shoe fits and you should wear it.
Todd Tamanend Clark
President
West Virginia Native American Coalition
--
Free Leonard Peltier !
http://www.freepeltier.org/
Free Lori Berenson !
http://www.freelori.org/
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
http://www.freemumia.org/
Free The Western Hemisphere !
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Odin yapped:
>
> You post "Free [insert convicted felon here]", and I
> post "Tell 'em to stop committing crimes."
> What's the problem with that ?
Persons who have been wrongly convicted of felonies
by repressive regimes whose main intent is to silence
political dissent should wear those felonies like a badge
of honor.
Todd Tamanend Clark
President
West Virginia Native American Coalition
--
Free Leonard Peltier !
http://www.freepeltier.org/
Free Lori Berenson !
http://www.freelori.org/
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
http://www.freemumia.org/
Free The Western Hemisphere !
http://server.horizons.k12.mi.us/~aim/
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> > Odin succinctly noted:
> >
> > You're a little yapping puppy of a joke to me.
>
> One person's yapping puppy is another person's
> freedom fighter.
Maybe one day you'll break free from the leash.
> Todd Tamanend Clark, whose ever changing sig file bears an uncanny
resemblance to Jarl's
> Self Important Legend In His Own Mind/Yapping Puppy/Freedom Fighter
> Greene County, Pennsylvania
>
> --
> Free Odin's Mind From Liberal Whining!
> Free Beer For Odin !
> Return Texas To Americans !
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> > Odin from Dallas, Texas inquired:
> >
> > How can you define me as a racist when you know
> > nothing about me ?
>
> I have read your numerous bigoted posts on the internet
> for many months now.
After defining "racist" (because I suspect you have an interesting
definition picked out) please show us a single post of mine that establishes
me as a "racist". Not language that isn't politically correct (because
that's just my way of freedom fighting) but something that shows me to be a
racist.
> They are fully archived for all to read.
Get to work, let's see it...
> The shoe fits and you should wear it.
>
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> All That And A Bag 'O Chips
> West Virginia Native American Coalition
>
> --
> Free Leonard Peltier !
Do I have to buy anything to get my free Leonard Peltier?
> Free Lori Berenson !
A two for one!
> Free Mumia Abu-Jamal !
Who can pass that up - three for free!
> Free The Western Hemisphere !
What's keeping it?
Jason
bit George Carlin said. "...if crime fighters fight crime, and fire
fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? they never seem to
mention that part, do they?"
--
Jason
"Wynona loved her big brown beaver and she stroked him all the time. She
pricked her finger one day and it occured to her she might have a
porcupine."
{Les Claypool, Primus}
"I'm the one who's got to die when it's time for me to die. So let me
live my life the way I want to."
{Jimi Hendrix - "If Six was Nine"}
"I'm a visionary. I'm ahead of my time. Trouble is, I'm only about an
hour and a half ahead."
{George Carlin>
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Der Fuhrer Odin (from Dull-as-Taxes) barked:
>
> After defining "racist"...
Relative to Usenet, I define racist thusly:
brojack
byker
catlover
d. snyder
d. long
ipm
j. a. donald
m. j. kleim
nppa
odin
richard
r. schuh
s. sawyer
tclock
> ... please show us a single post of mine that
> establishes me as a "racist".
You are deeper in denial than a crocodile.
Todd Tamanend Clark
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> S. Hart replied when:
>
>> TODD TAMANEND CLARK wrote:
>>
>>> Odin actually had the never to admit in public:
>>>
>>> Have been listening to some vintage Merle
>>> Haggard tho.
>>
>> It figures that someone of your ilk would resonate
>> with the single biggest fuckhead in the history of
>> popular music.
>
> this. Everybody knows [Ted] Nugent's the single
> biggest fuckhead in the history of popular music.
Don't forget Fred Durst.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Joe McNamara
>> with the single biggest fuckhead in the history of
>> popular music.
Merle's a fuckhead?
Explain, please.
Mr. Silver
"Nebuchadnezzar" <d...@zen-pharaohs.com> wrote:
> Lettre de Cachet is even better.
Nice "Casablanca" content.
Oh, that was "letters of transit". Never mind
Akicita
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Prometheus <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that deja.com is down, does this still work?
Akicita
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Odin <od...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:df377.341$q23.74...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> > It is far from over.
>
> (Big belly laugh)......<sigh>......OK, whatever. But it's over Todd,
> really, it is.
It's...it's OVER? Really? Whoo-hoo! Yes! That's GREAT!
Do you know what that means? That means there are no longer hundreds of
thousands of tons of nuclear waste laying exposed on Indian land, while
Congress blocks funds for cleanup!
That means the Western Shoshone are no longer resisting the theft of their
land while the BLM impounds their tribal livestock and auctions them off to
ranchers, to clear the land for chemically-based gold mining!
That means that eighteen tribes no longer have cyanide-conatminated water
from industry polluters which refuse to clean up because "that's Indian
land--THEIR problem!"
That means the Navajo of Big Mountain are no longer being barb-wired away
from their own grazing lands, denied electricity, and denied home repair
permits in an effort to force them off the land so Peabody Coal can
stripmine and use 15,000 gallons of desert water per hour from the tribe's
own land, without a permit, any longer!
That means banks are no longer going to be caught by the U.S. Attorney
General for denying loans to Indians on the basis of racial bias!
That means Indians will no longer lose every single test of the American
Indian Religious Freedom Act since the act's creation!
That means the Indian Claims Commission finding of the U.S. Government will
be honored, which has determined that 30% of the continental U.S. is Tribal
treaty land!
That means there really *weren't* thousands of Indian women in the 1970's
who were illegally sterilized without consent or knowledge while
anaesthitized at IHS hospitals!
That means the burials won't be vandalized any more! And the sacred sites
will be protected under Federal Law--no more blasting and stripmining
shrines!
That means Indians will no longer be beaten or pipe-bombed for attempting to
exercise treaty fishing rights! And tribal treaty terms will be respected!
And tribes will be permitted to enter international conferences without the
U.S. objecting and physically blocking their delegates!
That means the Paiutes will finally be given access to their own water,
which will no longer be dammed away from their land by an act of the Reagan
administration (to present) to bully them into signing over tribal funds to
pay for Army Corps of Engineer projects!
That means the billions of dollars of Indian funds that the federal
government just "lost" has been returned! Remember, that happened with the
Fed refused to allow tribes access to their own accounts, and insisted on
holding them "in trust." Then lost billions, and devoted a couple of million
dollars to "restoring" the accounts. Grand theft indeed! But the money is
back, right? 'Cause otherwise, we'll still be faced with all the internet
bigots who see our poverty and accuse us of just mismanaging ourselves.
That means you can pull the books "All Our Relatrions" (Winona LaDuke), "The
Invasion of Indian Lands in the 20th Century) (Dr. Don Fixico), "State of
Native America" (M. Anette Jaimes), and even my own book "The Last Indian
Wars" off the shelves. After all, those books describe current, ongoing
human rights violations by the U.S. against tribes. But that's all over with
now, eh?
Glad to hear it. Your assurances are convincing.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Prometheus interjected when:
>
>> S. Hart wrote:
>>
>> Hey, come on now. There's no need to bring Merle
>> biggest fuckhead in the history of popular music.
>
> to be the biggest fuckhead in the history of popular
> music. What'd he ever do ?
Not only is having that sickly obnoxious glorification of
plastic right-wing values "Okie From Muskogee" as his
signature song a crime unto itself, but Haggard managed
to finagle a pardon for the burglary felonies of which he
actually was guilty from that brain-dead war criminal
Ronald Reagan, while many innocent political prisoners
continued to rot in jail.
But, on second thought, let's move him a little further
down the list from number one. That spot clearly belongs
to the one and only Jimmy Swaggart.
In fact, how's this for a list of scumsucking bottom
feeders in the musical entertainment industry:
01) Jimmy Swaggart
02) Frank Sinatra
03) Anita Bryant
04) Ted Nugent
05) Merle Haggard
06) Fred Durst
07) Michael Jackson
08) Dean Martin
09) Jerry Lewis
10) Steve Marriott
And special dishonorable mention goes to:
Jackie Gleason
Your mileage may vary.
Feel free create your own customized lists.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Performance Artist/List Maker/Social Critic
--
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so
plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I
dispute that. I say that there is more stupidity than
hydrogen, and THAT is the basic building block of the
universe." - - Frank Zappa
brixton bruxelles
>Prometheus <c1su...@hotmail.comSPAM> wrote in message
>news:apvmltkrpepsfjcef...@4ax.com...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Now that deja.com is down, does this still work?
>
i should think so. http://groups.google.com took over the deja archive.
anjin
--
"i think its pollock who just threw the paint all
over the floor, it makes the paint look like worms crawling all over each
other in one giant seething sexual mass!! but not in a good sexual way, more
like a really nasty oily mess of worms fucking :-)" -Yanni the Great, amrm.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Joe McNamara wrote:
>
> Merle's a fuckhead ?
>
> Explain, please.
Well, he is one of the major godfathers of modern
cunt-tree muse-sick, which surely must qualify as more
than a mere musicological misdemeanor.
Todd Tamanend Clark
The Anti-Cowboy
--
"I put the cunt in country." - - Carlene Carter
Rusty
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
Clark you're a racist idiot.
Go make up some more 'best of' lists. It's all you're good for. LOL!
Rodeo Whore
> 01) Jimmy Swaggart
> 02) Frank Sinatra
> 03) Anita Bryant
> 04) Ted Nugent
> 05) Merle Haggard
> 06) Fred Durst
> 07) Michael Jackson
> 08) Dean Martin
> 09) Jerry Lewis
> 10) Steve Marriott
>
Oh come on now, leave Frank & Dean alone! What did they do to piss you off?
Those are some great men, as far as I'm concerned...you're welcome to
provide proof otherwise though...
--
~<3~
Sandy
.... when night falls, it's dawn one must reach for - a. camus ....
-------------->http://www.envy.nu/angeloflove<--------------
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> S. Hart commented:
>
> That doesn't look like enough to put him in the top 500
> fuckheads in the history of popular music.
And so your top ten list would include who ?
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Rodeo Whore wrote:
>
> Oh come on now, leave Frank & Dean alone! What
> did they do to piss you off ?
Re: Frank: Please read Kitty Kelley's biography. He was
criminal, sadistic, and arrogantly abusive.
Re: Dean: He both glorified alcohol addiction and made
constant negative sarcastic comments about the 1960s
counterculture, even right to the faces of musicians as
they were appearing on his show.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Rodeo Whore
> Re: Frank: Please read Kitty Kelley's biography. He was
> criminal, sadistic, and arrogantly abusive.
Okie dokie will do...I've never heard anything bad about him anywhere before
though.
> Re: Dean: He both glorified alcohol addiction
How did he personally do this, and is this something he set out to do?
Did he glorify just because he happened to be an alcoholic and lead a fairly
'normal' (by way of alcoholics, not celebrities) life while maintaining his
celebrity?
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
How's this for a list of scumsucking bottom feeders
in the musical entertainment industry:
01) Jimmy Swaggart
02) Frank Sinatra
03) Anita Bryant
04) Ted Nugent
05) Merle Haggard
06) Fred Durst
07) Michael Jackson
08) Dean Martin
09) Jerry Lewis
10) Steve Marriott
And special dishonorable mention goes to:
Jackie Gleason
Your mileage may vary.
Feel free to create your own customized lists.
Les Cargill
TODD TAMANEND CLARK wrote:
>
> How's this for a list of scumsucking bottom feeders
> in the musical entertainment industry:
>
> 01) Jimmy Swaggart
> 02) Frank Sinatra
> 03) Anita Bryant
> 04) Ted Nugent
> 05) Merle Haggard
So you have actually lost your mind, after all? Even
if you don't like Merle, it's hard to ignore his
accomplishments.
> 06) Fred Durst
> 07) Michael Jackson
> 08) Dean Martin
Yup. That's what I thought.
> 09) Jerry Lewis
> 10) Steve Marriott
>
> And special dishonorable mention goes to:
>
> Jackie Gleason
>
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> Feel free to create your own customized lists.
Oh, that's okay.
Daniel R. Haney
> Rodeo Whore wrote:
>> Oh come on now, leave Frank & Dean alone! What
>> did they do to piss you off ?
>
> Re: Frank: Please read Kitty Kelley's biography. He was
> criminal, sadistic, and arrogantly abusive.
(cough) I would be careful about holding up works by
Kitty "if it bleeds, it leads" Kelly as any reasonable
depiction of fair-handed truth. She is, in essence, a
glorified gossip columnist in hardcover.
> Re: Dean: He both glorified alcohol addiction and made
> constant negative sarcastic comments about the 1960s
> counterculture, even right to the faces of musicians as
> they were appearing on his show.
Beats muttering it behind their backs.
Know what I mean?
Lordy, but you *do* crosspost!
-drh
--
Les Cargill
TODD TAMANEND CLARK wrote:
>
> > Joe McNamara wrote:
> >
> > Merle's a fuckhead ?
> >
> > Explain, please.
>
> Well, he is one of the major godfathers of modern
> cunt-tree muse-sick, which surely must qualify as more
> than a mere musicological misdemeanor.
>
I see. You are trolling.
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> The Anti-Cowboy
>
> --
> "I put the cunt in country." - - Carlene Carter
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
> I see. You are trolling.
Nah, just getting Odious back for his comments about
my buddy Iggy Pop.
Todd Tamanend Clark
Joe McNamara
>>
>> Merle's a fuckhead ?
>>
>> Explain, please.
>
>Well, he is one of the major godfathers of modern
>cunt-tree muse-sick, which surely must qualify as more
>than a mere musicological misdemeanor.
You don't make any sense, at all.
Jason
--
Jason
"Wynona loved her big brown beaver and she stroked him all the time. She
pricked her finger one day and it occured to her she might have a
porcupine."
{Les Claypool, Primus}
"I'm the one who's got to die when it's time for me to die. So let me
live my life the way I want to."
{Jimi Hendrix - "If Six was Nine"}
"I'm a visionary. I'm ahead of my time. Trouble is, I'm only about an
hour and a half ahead."
{George Carlin>
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Prometheus wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:49:04 -0700, "TODD TAMANEND CLARK"
> <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>
> >One person's yapping puppy is another person's
> >freedom fighter.
>
> "If a fire fighter fights fire, and a crime fighter fights
> crime....what's a freedom fighter fight?"
>
> - George Carlin
>
>
James A. Donald
James A. Donald:
> > While it is possibel to argue that Peltier did not receive a fair
> > trial, and Mumia Abu-Jamal clearly did not get a fair trial, all of
> > them appear to be guilty of murder on the balance of probabilities.
> > Lori Berenson was co conspirator in terrorist acts against unarmed
> > people, and Peltier appears to have murdered a disarmed and helpless
> > prisoner.
Bobcat
> Murdered and disarmed a helpless prisoner?? What exactly are you
> talking about here?
One of the FBI agents was shot at point blank range some considerable
time after he were severely wounded. This indicates an execution
rather than a gun battle.
> Second, Leonard Peltier has ALWAYS contended he did not kill those two
> FBI Agents.
Very likely he did not personally kill them, but if he did not kill
them, those under his authority did.
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Odin
"Akicita" <to-em...@see.signline> wrote in message
> > > It is far from over.
> >
> > (Big belly laugh)......<sigh>......OK, whatever. But it's over Todd,
> > really, it is.
>
>
> It's...it's OVER? Really? Whoo-hoo! Yes! That's GREAT!
>
> Do you know what that means?
Yes, it means that it's over and you can begin the assimilation process. Or
not. But either way it's over. HTH.
> Glad to hear it. Your assurances are convincing.
I'm here to help.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> whined once more in message
> > After defining "racist"...
>
> Relative to Usenet, I define racist thusly:
>
> brojack
> byker
> catlover
> d. snyder
> d. long
> ipm
> j. a. donald
> m. j. kleim
> nppa
> odin
> richard
> r. schuh
> s. sawyer
> tclock
IOW, anyone who disagrees with you on Usenet is a racist. At least you
admit that you're nothing more than a sore loser who has to resort to name
calling when your arguments fails.
> > ... please show us a single post of mine that
> > establishes me as a "racist".
>
>
> You are deeper in denial than a crocodile.
>
> Todd Tamanend Clark
Nice denial of reality and refusal to answer the question content.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
My list would be pretty short. How's......
Steve "SEFSTRAT" Feder
Polfus
Jarl Sigurd
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
BTW, Jerry Lewis is great too, but Merle Haggard stomps just about every
nobody on your top 100 lists of guitarosts. He writes better lyrics and
music and definitely plays better guitar than most of your hasbeens on that
list. Without guys like Jerry Lewis and Merle Haggard your list of losers
would be a bit shorter, but I guess you don't know anything about influences
and such.
BTW, you must spend more time crosstrolling your posts than Jarl spends
making up sig files.
Odin
"TODD TAMANEND CLARK" <tama...@charterpa.net> wrote in message
> > Les Cargill wrote:
> >
> > I see. You are trolling.
>
>
> Nah, just getting Odious back for his comments about
> my buddy Iggy Pop.
How mature. Except I could care less if you like my opinion of Iggy Pop or
if you like Merle Haggard. Besides, Merle Haggard is a legend who keeps
putting out great music, and Iggy Pop is a has been cult figure with no
musical talent.
Gorblimey
>
> How's this for a list of scumsucking bottom feeders
> in the musical entertainment industry:
>
> 10) Steve Marriott
What was wrong with Steve Marriott?
P