Jimmy Bruno has had surgery
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
http://homepage.mac.com/jimmybruno/Essay.htm
Derek
GregD
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> Here's to a speedy recovery!
>
>
Hear, hear!
Ken Lloyd
<jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us> wrote in message
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SP
SP
SP
Tom Walls
says...
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
tomsalvojazz
applaud his frankness and the fact that he has the balls to say what
really needs to be said, not just about "jazz," however you define
that, but about our cultural and societal values ~ or lack thereof.
His ability to communicate and express an opinion with clarity and
conviction (and fearlessness) mirrors his talent and ability to convey
musical thoughts and ideas with as much determination and focus. To
me, Jimmy is as much a hero because he's a crusader in a world of
nonchalance, indifference and mediocrity, and, despite the potential
volatility of the message, he can still express himself with respect
and dignity.
Here's to a speedy recovery, my friend.
jimmyb
the cast on my left hand. I don't know the results of the surgery
'till the cast comes off in about tgwo weeks, then there is rehab for
abou† 4 to 6 weeks. the numbness and pain are gone but don'† know
if I can play yet.
The left hand was †o†ally blocked and the righ† hand is
par†ially blocked. I get the right hand done after the left
recovers. I have to wait and see.
I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
aesthetics. They are my own PERSONAL ideas. Doesn'† mean †hat I
don't appreciate the efforts of others who may have a different
conception of jazz †han my own. I can really appreciate †he
restraint of those who do not agree with me.
In other words... there's my shit...take it or leave it. It's what I
believe. there is no poin† in dba†ing it. I have debated i† fo
years, it's all been said and considered.
I still can't type. Maybe the su®gery will fix †hat. In t˙e mean
†ime I wen† f®om working, traveling, teaching 24/7 to watching
TV. bored out of my mind
Tom Walls
ji...@jimmybruno.com says...
> watching
> TV. bored out of my mind
>
>
>
frustrations. I selfishly hope that you never compromise. I want to hear
the music that you dream of, not some crap designed to appeal to a
demographic. Yesterday I was listening to you play "Benny's Tune" and
was reflecting on how you're the second generation of guitar player in
your family, and how much you have to offer. Immediately thereafter I
opened up the newsgroup and saw that you'd had the surgery. I expect
that you're going to make a full recovery and kick mucho ass.
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
time to take up a non-hand hobby: skateboarding, striptease, platform
diving, at least 'till the hands are ready......well, no.. TV sounds OK
after all....
Bill Ribas
murder (and you can interpret that anyway you want). Get outside, go see a
movie, heck, go to a guitar center and ask for a job app, and then exclaim
out loud, "what the hell was I thinking?!?!"
although if you are stuck in front of the tv, look for Mythbusters and Dirty
Jobs on the discovery channel. both shows are interesting and fun.
"jimmyb" <ji...@jimmybruno.com> wrote in message
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Thanks to all above for your thoughts. Here's an update. I still have
the cast on my left hand. I don't know the results of the surgery
'till the cast comes off in about tgwo weeks, then there is rehab for
abou? 4 to 6 weeks. the numbness and pain are gone but don'? know
if I can play yet.
The left hand was ?o?ally blocked and the righ? hand is
par?ially blocked. I get the right hand done after the left
recovers. I have to wait and see.
I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
aesthetics. They are my own PERSONAL ideas. Doesn'? mean ?hat I
don't appreciate the efforts of others who may have a different
conception of jazz ?han my own. I can really appreciate ?he
restraint of those who do not agree with me.
In other words... there's my shit...take it or leave it. It's what I
believe. there is no poin? in dba?ing it. I have debated i? fo
years, it's all been said and considered.
I still can't type. Maybe the su射ery will fix ?hat. In t?e mean
?ime I wen? f峨m working, traveling, teaching 24/7 to watching
jimmyb
teaching aids etc
ray
> I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
> The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
> climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
> aesthetics.
I think the music has a future, just not on a grand scale. Does any
really "good" jazz have a much of a future? Jazz has always had small
following in comparison with the "pop" music world. I'm a big fan of
the recent stuff by Drew Gress (7 Black Butterflies), Dave Liebman
(Conversation) and Andy Parsons (Flip). But the material is barely
known outside of the jazz community. But that's not a bad thing, the
people that love the music will continue to listen!
May your recovery be speedy,
Ray
tomsalvojazz
Meanwhile, there are many of us who can't wait to hear the first CD
(and by that I mean "BUY and listen to" :-)) you release after
completing therapy!
You know, it's ironic that some people probably read your essay and
previous comments/interviews and say "oh, he's too much of a
traditionalist," and yet they pop in Midnight Blue, which I think is
AWESOME, and they say "oh my GOD! He's using CHORUS! How could he do
that?!?" They totally don't get it. People don't know what to focus
on, so they focus on all the wrong (superficial) things. I mean, I
play jazz AND I play progressive metal (not at the same time of course)
and there's good music out there in many genres but CRAP is CRAP.
Don't write some trite little poppy jingle and try to pass it off as
Prokofiev. There aren't enough people around anymore who can tell the
difference, and what's worse, who care that there IS a difference.
Jimmy, wherever your future takes you, rest assured that you have
already left a mark on the world, and there will always be people
around like the members of this group who will cheer you on!
Peace,
Tom
j...@isu.edu
background saying mostly the same things I say and feel about how our
culture has been cheapened by people whose only goal is to stuff their
pockets with money.
It goes deeper than just an erosion of our artistic values. I have
seen a huge change in the attitudes of the students in my classroom
over the last 8 years. Sometimes it seems like nobody knows how to
work hard anymore, nobody knows how to talk to others politely, nobody
knows how to accomplish anything without taking something away from
somebody else.
For ghod's sake, don't watch too much TV, Jimmy. That will destroy
your attitude quicker than anything, unless you keep it on the classic
movies channel. ;-) Get yourself a nice book, and get well soon! I
don't accept the idea that we've heard the last of your beautiful
music. Strength of character is most important, and you have it.
Besides, the best revenge is to live well.
RickH
After my initial hydrobaths, ultrasound, scar tissue massage, then
moving into hand physical exercise therapy as you heal. The best
therapy after all that, was to use the hand for whatever you used it
for in the past, gives the quickest results. I hope you get a really
hot looking hand therapist like I did. My favorite part about therapy
was holding hands with her for hours several times a week and talking.
Keith Freeman
> following in comparison with the "pop" music world.
etc.).
-Keith
Portable Changes, tips etc. at http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/
e-mail only to keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl
tomsalvojazz
As a human resources administrator, I have experienced the same
shocking attitude changes among the workforce, and particularly the
younger applicants (and I am under 40...). It is frightening. I see
it every day manifested in horrible communication skills, a total lack
of respect for authority, poor etiquette and dress, a disregard for
fundamental social values, etc. You're right about watching TV; it
contributes quickly to one's cynicism!
The fact that at least some of us are cognizant of the phenomenon is
reassuring, and as long as we, as individuals, continue to strive for
the preservation of morals and values and integrity (in music and
elsewhere), then it means that we can keep the faith, even if it is
within our own relatively small circle.
Max Leggett
wrote:
What's the link to Jimmy's essay about teaching music? I've been all
over his website and can't find it.
>
>jimmyb wrote:
>> Thanks to all above for your thoughts. Here's an update. I still have
>> the cast on my left hand. I don't know the results of the surgery
>> 'till the cast comes off in about tgwo weeks, then there is rehab for
>> abou=E2=80=A0 4 to 6 weeks. the numbness and pain are gone but don'=E2=
>=80=A0 know
>> if I can play yet.
>> The left hand was =E2=80=A0o=E2=80=A0ally blocked and the righ=E2=80=A0 h=
>and is
>> par=E2=80=A0ially blocked. I get the right hand done after the left
>> recovers. I have to wait and see.
>> I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
>> The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
>> climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
>> aesthetics. They are my own PERSONAL ideas. Doesn'=E2=80=A0 mean =E2=80=
>=A0hat I
>> don't appreciate the efforts of others who may have a different
>> conception of jazz =E2=80=A0han my own. I can really appreciate =E2=80=A0=
>he
>> restraint of those who do not agree with me.
>> In other words... there's my shit...take it or leave it. It's what I
>> believe. there is no poin=E2=80=A0 in dba=E2=80=A0ing it. I have debate=
>d i=E2=80=A0 fo
>> years, it's all been said and considered.
>> I still can't type. Maybe the su=C2=AEgery will fix =E2=80=A0hat. In t=
>=CB=99e mean
>> =E2=80=A0ime I wen=E2=80=A0=C2=A0f=C2=AEom working, traveling, teaching 2=
>4/7 to watching
>> TV. bored out of my mind
>
>
>After my initial hydrobaths, ultrasound, scar tissue massage, then
>moving into hand physical exercise therapy as you heal. The best
>therapy after all that, was to use the hand for whatever you used it
>for in the past, gives the quickest results. I hope you get a really
>hot looking hand therapist like I did. My favorite part about therapy
>was holding hands with her for hours several times a week and talking.
>
--------------------------------
Without music, life is a mistake.
Freidrich "Hep Daddy" Nietzsche
---------------------------------
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
was holding hands with her for hours several times a week and talking
Good thing your hands were occupied......hee hah
jsea...@csc.cps.k12.il.us
ray
> I for one am relieved to hear someone who has a completely different
> background saying mostly the same things I say and feel about how our
> culture has been cheapened by people whose only goal is to stuff their
> pockets with money.
>
> It goes deeper than just an erosion of our artistic values. I have
> seen a huge change in the attitudes of the students in my classroom
> over the last 8 years. Sometimes it seems like nobody knows how to
> work hard anymore, nobody knows how to talk to others politely, nobody
> knows how to accomplish anything without taking something away from
> somebody else.
I don't think it's all that bad, it's easy to let one's perception cloud
the view. Not that the world isn't getting crazier than ever, but I
can't buy the idea that things used to be good and now they are bad.
Was there ever a time when somebody wasn't stuffing their pockets with
money at the expense of the general public in one way or another? And
with regard to the music, I think there are a lot of hard working young
artists out there making some really beautiful music. Keep your eye on
the good things, it's a lot less stressful! ;)
I'll leave you with the words of "Those Were the Days":
"Boy the way Glen Miller played,
songs that made the hit parade,
Guys like us we had it made,
those were the days.
And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
Didn’t need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight,
Gee our old LaSalle ran great,
Those were the days."
Ray
Max Leggett
wrote:
>AMEN!
>
>As a human resources administrator, I have experienced the same
>shocking attitude changes among the workforce, and particularly the
>younger applicants (and I am under 40...). It is frightening. I see
>it every day manifested in horrible communication skills, a total lack
>of respect for authority, poor etiquette and dress, a disregard for
>fundamental social values, etc.
That comes from the, "You're as good as everyone else and don't need
to prove anything," which leads to an expectation that things will be
handed to you on a plate with no effort on your part. If someone has,
say, a BMW, and you don't, it's because they've ripped you off
somehow. You're entitled to everthing and needn't work for any of it.
Just yesterday there was released a report that showed that students
from Chinese families generally outperformed other students: this was
attributed to a better work ethic and support at home. Immediately,
and I mean immediately, a sap high up in the education ministry
lambasted the report, saying that it was wrong to praise some people
at the expense of others. P*ss on your work ethic, pal, all the
students are above average; we'll just dumb everything down so you can
have straight As, too. Education has ceased to be about learning and
become a consumer product - if people can't get a decent job without a
degree, then just make it easier to get a degree: it's only a piece of
paper, you're entitled to it just as much as the person who pays
attention, takes notes, and does the assignments. The reason North
Americans are losing serious ground econmically is that the work force
is so badly educated - they can't think well enough to be productive.
By 'work force' I'm including management as well as the people on the
shop floor. The incidence of inflated grades at the university level,
including Harvard, Yale, Oxford, is a major concern to educators, but
they seem powerless to do anything about it. If Johnny wants straight
As, he'll take his tuition where they'll give him straight As. It's
only a piece of paper to be purchased. As to television, it produces
shallow, passive receptacles with an attention span of 7 seconds and
no capacity of critical thought. The politician's dream - sheep who
will vote as they're told - but a cultural and economic disaster. The
best thing you can do for your children, and yourself, is throw the
television in the garbage; it's a shallow, trite, slatternly, medium
that, through it's ubiquity, has produced a shallow, trite, slatternly
society.
You're right about watching TV; it
>contributes quickly to one's cynicism!
>
>The fact that at least some of us are cognizant of the phenomenon is
>reassuring, and as long as we, as individuals, continue to strive for
>the preservation of morals and values and integrity (in music and
>elsewhere), then it means that we can keep the faith, even if it is
>within our own relatively small circle.
>
--------------------------------
j...@isu.edu
> j...@isu.edu wrote:
> > It goes deeper than just an erosion of our artistic values. I have
> > seen a huge change in the attitudes of the students in my classroom
> > over the last 8 years. Sometimes it seems like nobody knows how to
> > work hard anymore, nobody knows how to talk to others politely, nobody
> > knows how to accomplish anything without taking something away from
> > somebody else.
>
> I don't think it's all that bad, it's easy to let one's perception cloud
> the view. Not that the world isn't getting crazier than ever, but I
> can't buy the idea that things used to be good and now they are bad.
You're right, it is to some degree a matter of perception. I still
have students who know how to work hard, who have social skills, and
the ability to contribute positively. They seem fewer these days, so I
appreciate them more than ever. I am trying harder than ever to help
them because I so desperately want to see their attitudes rewarded and
perpetuated. I also have to work harder than ever to keep the rest
from making my life more difficult.
Joe Finn
news:1141312196.8...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
the cast on my left hand. I don't know the results of the surgery
'till the cast comes off in about tgwo weeks, then there is rehab for
if I can play yet.
recovers. I have to wait and see.
I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
don't appreciate the efforts of others who may have a different
restraint of those who do not agree with me.
In other words... there's my shit...take it or leave it. It's what I
TV. bored out of my mind
Jimmy: I hope you are better soon. I'm looking forward to hearing you play
live again at some point.
Thanks for your remarks about the music scene too. I agree with what you are
saying. Jazz will continue to be a niche market and an acquired taste.
People who have attempted to bring it to a mass market have mostly failed
artistically and lost money in the process. I'd hate to think of somebody
like you abandoning their aesthetic for a chance at "the next level" .
I've always loved you playing and look forward to hearing more when you are
feeling better. Hang in there. ......joe
--
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ray
> ray wrote:
>>I don't think it's all that bad, it's easy to let one's perception cloud
>>the view. Not that the world isn't getting crazier than ever, but I
>>can't buy the idea that things used to be good and now they are bad.
>
>
> You're right, it is to some degree a matter of perception. I still
> have students who know how to work hard, who have social skills, and
> the ability to contribute positively. They seem fewer these days, so I
> appreciate them more than ever. I am trying harder than ever to help
> them because I so desperately want to see their attitudes rewarded and
> perpetuated. I also have to work harder than ever to keep the rest
> from making my life more difficult.
I dig what you're saying, keep the faith!
The time's they are a chang'in!
Ray
lgoler
seemingly be so bitter about the state of things as they currently
stand, although very understandable. Making one's life as a jazz
musician is something only a handful of people were ever able to do,
and now is that much harder given the slim resources behind the
marketing of the music. However, interest in the music remains strong
on a global scale, and there is always room for growth. How people
choose to market themselves, critics, business forces, hairstyles,
television - hopefully all of this can remain on the periphery for
those that try to make their life's goal making music. For those that
tried, and made an impact, is their accomplishment any less valid for
having tried, with whatever success they were attributed? We all wish
Jimmy a speedy recovery and hope he gets back to making great music and
forging ahead in his career.
RickH
I'm 50, recently I had the opportunity to have breakfast with my 18 y/o
nephew-in-law, he has just completed boot camp and will be starting on
an electronics degree in the navy after his leave. The kid is
incredible, decisive; clarity of though; direct talker; respectful; a
healthy outlook toward the opportunity to work; magnetically
pursuasive; refreshing; not above helping others below or above him
succeed; listens before he speaks. I'm not saying everyone needs boot
camp to instill this, but I'm saying that some students you meet just
exude "class act" from every pore of their bodies, and others dont. I
had some classmates in college with this charisma who were not
military, I looked up to them, the vibe they gave was that they were
"stand up guys" and they were natural leaders. Who knows where that
kind of class act charisma comes from but I want it.
geekg...@aol.com
I'm looking forward to hearing you play again soon.
-Eric Elias
Gerry
> I don't think it's all that bad, it's easy to let one's perception
> cloud the view.
Our perceptions ARE our view.
> Not that the world isn't getting crazier than ever, but I can't buy the
> idea that things used to be good and now they are bad. Was there ever a
> time when somebody wasn't stuffing their pockets with money at the
> expense of the general public in one way or another?
Never. That's the way of man. Some conquer and survive, others are
vanquished and die. In the end you wind up in one pile or the other.
Mussolini in that one, Gandhi in the other.
> And with regard to the music, I think there are a lot of hard working
> young artists out there making some really beautiful music. Keep your
> eye on the good things, it's a lot less stressful! ;)
There have always been hard working artists and there will always be.
Some will be appropriately remunerated, most will not. As always.
Fashions change rapidly and frequently disregard quality while pursuing
style. This never changes. Emphasis shifts.
> I'll leave you with the words of "Those Were the Days":
>
> "Boy the way Glen Miller played,
> songs that made the hit parade,
> Guys like us we had it made,
> those were the days.
>
> And you knew who you were then,
> Girls were girls and men were men,
> Mister we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
>
> Didn't need no welfare state,
> Everybody pulled his weight,
> Gee our old LaSalle ran great,
> Those were the days."
It's amazing how songs can comfort us: the "Hoovertown's" get
air-brushed out of memory, and not needing a welfare state also
provides allows for actual starvation, malnutrition, infant mortality,
old folks dying or starving in the street. But happy days will indeed
be here again: someday the USA will return to it's glory as just
another marginal third world country. Just like most of the rest of
humanity throughout most of history.
--
What a day this has been, what a rare mood I'm in.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Are those really billable hours?
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
God bless.
tom walls
deducting one star because it was kind of a downer.
icarusi
> I'm sitting around making plans to retire! And putting together some
> teaching aids etc
How about writing a 'jazz opera'? You could have this blind kid who finds
he's really good at pinball........maybe that's been done already.
Icarusi
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icarusi
news:44072bf1....@news.sprint.ca...
> As to television, it produces
> shallow, passive receptacles with an attention span of 7 seconds and
> no capacity of critical thought.
Hey, I'm watching late night BahnTV from Germany, which is basically a video
camera strapped to the front of a train travelling around the German
countryside. Are you telling me this isn't a good thing?
Max Leggett
wrote:
Compared to 99% of what I've seen on TV it's an intellectual triumph.
Joey Goldstein
jimmyb wrote:
>
> Thanks to all above for your thoughts. Here's an update. I still have
> the cast on my left hand. I don't know the results of the surgery
> 'till the cast comes off in about tgwo weeks, then there is rehab for
> abou† 4 to 6 weeks. the numbness and pain are gone but don'† know
> if I can play yet.
> The left hand was †o†ally blocked and the righ† hand is
> par†ially blocked. I get the right hand done after the left
> recovers. I have to wait and see.
> I know that essay is a bit blunt but I've been saying that for years.
I dunno Jimmy.... Think about getting treated for depression too maybe.
I see more jazz than ever and more real good young jazz players carrying
the torch. Maybe it's just Toronto. We have a pretty healthy scene. I
just ignore the pop culture thing for the most part, unless it's a good
looking chick.
I'm guessing that your operation will do the trick. After I had mine I
was gigging 2 weeks later. But I caught it before my muscles started to
atrophy. The worst that'll probably happen is that you'll have lost a
bit of strength in the base of your thumb. Some guys claim you don't
need a strong thumb anyway.
Good luck man. Hang in there.
> The kind of jazz that I play has no future in our current social
> climate. I will never get to the next level unless I give up on my
> aesthetics. They are my own PERSONAL ideas. Doesn'† mean †hat I
> don't appreciate the efforts of others who may have a different
> conception of jazz †han my own. I can really appreciate †he
> restraint of those who do not agree with me.
> In other words... there's my shit...take it or leave it. It's what I
> believe. there is no poin† in dba†ing it. I have debated i† fo
> years, it's all been said and considered.
> I still can't type. Maybe the su®gery will fix †hat. In t˙e mean
> †ime I wen† f®om working, traveling, teaching 24/7 to watching
> TV. bored out of my mind
--
Joey Goldstein
http://www.joeygoldstein.com
joegold AT sympatico DOT ca
RickH
Oh, I was just another patient to her. But hand therapists are a
unique breed, you sit down they hold and manipulate your hands for a
couple hours, you talk and talk, and really get to know each other over
time. To them it's just a job. Considering I exhausted my insurance
allowment for therapy back then, yup she was billing me.
Gerry
> I'm giving you four stars. Although the content was excellent, I'm
> deducting one star because it was kind of a downer.
Thanks. I'll be here all week.
jimmyb
always. I'm not depressed I'm just staing things the way I see them as
a matter of fact. What I'm trying to say is I don't see myself
participating in this scene in it's present state. It's time to move
on and do something else. I know the things I cannot do anything
about. I played a lot o music and feell I have had enough. I'm sick
of traveling, I'm sick of agents etc. i think I'd just like to stay
home for awhile and see what happens. of course I have †o find a new
way to make money. there's always a catch
jimmyb
know. I little story: At my clinics I will always ask the students
who they listen to and after that I'll ask another student what he
thinks about guitarist or musician x, y, z.
It usually goes like this. Student: I like some stuff by guitarist x
but I think guitarist y is more advanced harmonically.
or: I think guitarist x plays vanilla lines and doesn't swing.
Later in the clinic, I will go to the piano, pick the same student who
said guitarist y is more advance harmonically, play a triad on the
piano and ask if if it is major, minor or dom 7th.
He ©ets this clouded look in his eyes and takes a guess. Usually
wrong. Next I will play G7 to Cmaj7th and ask if to identify the last
chord, major or minor, again he's wrong.
Next I'll get the guy who didn't like guitarist x lines.
I tell him I'm using notes from a C scale and then I play a short
melody on the piano and ask him to get his guitar and play it back.
Usually it takes him around 5 to 10 minutes to find the 1st note.
yet both these individuals have strong opinions about who can play and
who can't. The guy with the swing feel comment usually has no time
a† all, yet all he talks about is another players time.
I've ben studying time in music for 40 years and I still don't know why
something swings and something does not.
To make all this worst, these individuals go on the internet to these
boards and pontificate about music and players.
Before you can make statemen†s like these, these kids should be able
†o learn a tune without the real book. A lot of them will look at
transcriptions and analyze a players lines. A transcription is not a
©ood indication of what it sound slike untill you jear the music.
take Bach, look at his simplest two part invention, then listen †o it
Tom Walls
ji...@jimmybruno.com says...
> I have heard the same thing from almost of all the teachers that I
> know.
snipped
Jimmy, you should be in a jazz program somewhere kicking butt on a daily
basis. I'll bet if you took the time to do a thorough job search you
could find something that suits you. Could be your next career.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Mark Kleinhaut
I agree with Mr. Walls, but Jimmy- what are typing with your nose or
something?
Get well!
jimmyb
Mark Kleinhaut
jimmyb wrote:
> typing with one hand
yeah, I figured. Actually, it's better than when you used two hands-
go figure! So what are you listening to these days? Any new CD's or
sounds you're discovering with all the downtime you have?
Gerry
> The guy with the swing feel comment usually has no time
> aÜ all, yet all he talks about is another players time.
We start with meager critical tools. But amazingly we use them anyway.
He thinks he understand a subject and so excercises his critical
evaluation. He doesn't understand the subject. Later in life he'll
adapt his thinking.
When I was a kid I knew everything. Didn't you? Then I found out that
I didn't know shit. So I learned plenty. Then I figured out that I
still hadn't learned anything. All the way along the line I still had
a vantage point. Naughty me. I must have been young, uneducated and
inexperienced. I suppose I should have commited suicide at 13, but I
wasn't smart enough to realize my life was worthless.
> I've ben studying time in music for 40 years and I still don't know why
> something swings and something does not.
But did you realize this at 20?
> To make all this worst, these individuals go on the internet to these
> boards and pontificate about music and players.
To be fair, their viewpoints are countered, albeit by someone who also
knows nothing about the music or players.
> Before you can make statemenÜs like these, these kids should be able
> Üo learn a tune without the real book.
Yeah. Before making such statements they should be capable and
knowledgeable enough to have no interest or desire in making such
statements.
> A lot of them will look at transcriptions and analyze a players lines.
> A transcription
> is not a ©ood indication of what it sound slike untill you jear the music.
> take Bach, look at his simplest two part invention, then listen Üo it
In fairness, most of these people don't make their critical assessment
(right or wrong) of other players from something they saw in a book,
but of what they heard--or thought they heard--from a record. Don't
you think? I've never encountered a stupid punk (and I've encountered
a few) that told me somebody was not good and that they had concluded
this by reading a transcription.
jimmyb
jazz cds i have heard in along time.
been watching miami vice and really enjoying some of the music.
oscar peterson and joe pass
jonathan kreisberg - great player new to me
vic juris - one of my all time favorites
eric alexander - also one of my favorite player
john swana - my all time fav trumpet player
loius armstrong
willie nelson love certain tunes. there is absolutely no bs in his
music- comes straight from the heart, very refreshing
john pisano and billy bean
howard alden- i always listen to him, one of the finest
gearge vaneps- a true innovator
jimmyb
have opinions about something that was very new to me. also at 20, i
could play whatever iheard on a record or play tunes i didn't know
right on the bandstand.
Gerry
I don't think most 20 year olds are like that. So maybe your
viewpoints, unassailable on the topic of music and guitar, are more
limited when it comes to judging student attitudes?
I can just imagine a person who was a prodigy as an educator evaluating
your evaluations of students... :-)
jimmyb
a lot of time playing the guitar. However, I can appreciate your views
pmfan57
That's some good stuff. Can't wait to get the Wes tribute, being the
pm fan that I am.
Joe
jimmyb
young I did not have a good ear. With an hour or two a day, anyone can
learn this. It is not hard at all, but most of this falls on deaf ears
with college students because it rewuires an effort on their part.
There are always a few that get it. 20 years ago if I had 10 students
, 5 were great students and became wonderful musicians.
now if I have 10 students, there might be one that will do the work.
that's how I know things are changing and not for the better. Has
nothing to do with †he good old days
Mark Kleinhaut
Ted Dunbar worked a lot on hearing with me and my classmates, back in
the "good old days" of 1978 at rutgers. He had a hearing acid test
where he would turn his back to us so we couldn't see his hands and
he'd proceed to play all kings of voicings of various chords, all the
colors with every altered tension possible. Bottom line was we were
expected to hear and properly name every one of them as easily and
automatically as if we were tasting vanilla, chocolate or strawberry.
Of course this led to other ear training, but nobody was allowed to
continue studying with him until you could do this.
Bill Ribas
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nothing to do with ?he good old days
ray
It's difficult to make comparisons over time without factoring in all
the variables. If more people are picking up the guitar today than 20
years ago, then it may very well take 100 students to yield 5 great
students, instead of 10 to yield 5. We've got more people with more
leisure time and disposable income than ever before looking for ways to
fill their time. The fallout rate is bound to be higher.
Ray
Keith Freeman
> yet both these individuals have strong opinions about who can play and
> who can't. The guy with the swing feel comment usually has no time
Thanks for posting that, Jimmy, I hadn't realized it was *that* bad.
I still think the only reason for playing music is because you feel life
without it isn't worth living! If you can *make* a living at it without
destroying the enjoyment, all well and good, but if not, so be it. I
enjoy my work translating and I'm good at it (modest too!), but if the
effective hourly rate (I'm paid by the word) went down below a certain
level I'd look for something else to do.
I dig your funky Ü's, by the way! Where did you find them on the
keyboard?
-Keith
Portable Changes, tips etc. at http://home.wanadoo.nl/keith.freeman/
e-mail only to keith DOT freeman AT wanadoo DOT nl
Joey Goldstein
> home for awhile and see what happens. of course I have İo find a new
> way to make money. there's always a catch
Well, you would know.
But it would be a shame if you stopped performing and recording.
Teaching can keep you going and it does have it's rewards, but playing
is where it's at. You don't need me to tell you that though.
Good luck man.
misterwilliamc
> i think I'd just like to stay
> home for awhile and see what happens.
Sounds very reasonable.
A time to expand, a time to contract... to expand yet again, in what
manner/form(s) it'll come to you.
Pull in, heal up (hope it above beyond expectations), clear head/soul,
Receive.
Then march, to whatever the tune shall be...
Gerry
> It's difficult to make comparisons over time without factoring in all
> the variables. If more people are picking up the guitar today than 20
> years ago, then it may very well take 100 students to yield 5 great
> students, instead of 10 to yield 5. We've got more people with more
> leisure time and disposable income than ever before looking for ways to
> fill their time. The fallout rate is bound to be higher.
There are other factors. One is that Jimmy isn't the same man he was 20
years ago either. I've heard more than one teacher tell me they don't
have the patience or desire to coddle students that should at least
bring desire and determination to the party. You'd think ANY student
that comes to such as Jimmy Bruno would have that, wouldn't you?
But I think a more notable thing to consider is that when you grow up
you hear certain stuff and don't even notice it. Maybe it's just
music-types, but it accrues somewhere in your brain.
You have an immediate affinity for a tune you thought you were hearing
for the first time. Later you realize it was on an album you had many
years earlier and listened to a fair amount. This kinda stuff doesn't
happen to people who don't accrue this raw material. When I was a kid
my parents played earlier stuff. I didn't like or care for it, but it
lodged. And now I play those tunes!
Steven R
Love Eric Alexander (great tone on tenor), and those George Van Eps
solo LPs still set the standard.
And it takes guts for Willie Nelson to make an instrumental album
without card-carrying jazzer credentials. Like those New Guitar Summit
CDs, sometimes simple is better.
Steven R
further than any amount of theory or even technique, which will come
with experience.
ray
I know what your saying, I grew up in a household where "classical"
music was what was listened too, and the piano was the intrument of
choice. It wasn't until around the age of 20 that I started listening
to "jazz", and although I really took a liking to it, it took me years
of listening and work to really get my ears around what was going on.
I'm still in that process. My mother is amused when she hears my
brother and I playing some of the old standards. That's the music she
grew up hearing!
Ray
Steven R
today's world -- in jazz or any other kind of music -- I always point
to you as a guy who knows how to get it done, starting with being a
monster player who does the kind of music he loves, then adds all the
marketing and promotion stuff you've been doing, including the Web
site, instruction books and videos, clinics, trade shows, touring, etc.
And with the stretching you've done with your recent records ("Midnight
Blue," the Joe Beck duo disc and now with the solo record), you have
really expanded your stylistic palette. Now if only I had any cash left
for those two live DVDs ...
That said, I'd love to see you stay in the game, and on your own terms.
icarusi
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> My favorite part about therapy
> was holding hands with her for hours several times a week and talking
>
> Good thing your hands were occupied......hee hah
I was seen by a very attractive optician recently. We spent a long time very
close and gazing into each others eyes. She kept shining a torch into mine
though.
Icarusi
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> Dag gone, me too!! but she was a proctologist... Oooouch 8^(~~~'
Now you mention it, I had a sigmoidoscopy and a colonoscopy recently
performed by a good looking 'nurse practitioner'. They do an 'interview'
before the procedure to let you know what will happen and to sign the forms,
otherwise I wouldn't have remembered.
Tom Walls
icar...@hotmail.com says...
Max S.
favorite part about therapy
was holding hands with her for hours several times a week and talking."
Did she give you one of those round squishy things to squeeze to
strengthen your grip?
Max S.
Max S.
Believe me, Mr. B., there are plenty of guys typing with one hand all
the time on some of those other newsgroups out there...
But to be serious, Jimmy, I was very sorry to hear about your condition
and wish you a speedy recovery. Perhaps you could share with us how it
developed - the first symptoms you experienced. I spend more time
typing than I should and and between that and practicing, I find some
days I have soreness and a tingling feeling in my wrists, palms and
fingers and especially in my fingertips - several days laying off seems
to help - I wonder if something more serious is on the horizon - I've
considered giving up computer usage (as much as possible given these
times) - I certainly don't want to give up playing. Could you share the
development your problem when you feel up to typing it?
Thanks, and again, all my hopes to you for a full and speedy recovery.
Max S.
jimmyb
sensation when ploaying for long periods. Both hands would tingle. I
thought it was nothing, maybe I slept wrong, pinched nerve, guitar
strap etc. it didn't happen all the time. to make along story short
around dec, both hands would become completely numb after a few
minutes. Pain would also wake me up at night.
Probably got it from playing too much. I've been doing this for almost
40 years so this is not uncommon. there is not much I can do about it,
comes with the job.
Cast was removed and I started practicing again. the numbness of the
left hand is gone but it is very sore. i go back to the doc on
thursday to find out what he has to say, but things are looking up... I
think!
pmfan57
Take it easy, if the doctor says to anyway.
Joe
thom_j.
thom_j.
> There's nothing sexier than a colonoscopy.
curious tee'..
Tom Walls
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