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Would you buy a custom guitar if you knew the maker was a right winger?
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Charlie X
Aug 18, 2012, 8:11:29 PM8/18/12
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Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
Just wondering ...
I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
Just wondering ...
Jim Soloway
Aug 18, 2012, 8:17:45 PM8/18/12
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I don't care about people's views nearly as much as I care about how they present those views. I'm not likely to buy much of anything from someone who rants and raves, throws around insults at anyone who disagrees with them and tries to force their beliefs on everyone around them. That's just being an asshole and it doesn't really matter what they believe.
Mr Maj6th
Aug 18, 2012, 8:22:12 PM8/18/12
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of crazy, and tend not to associate with them if I can, at all, avoid
it; for me, this goes for both sides of the spectrum.
Maj6th
Charlie X
Aug 18, 2012, 8:27:15 PM8/18/12
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Thanks guys..so, as long as they keep their mouths shut, you guys are ok?
That sounds fair i guess.
But..Once you know that the person building something so personal is so different and disagreeable, its hard (for me) to love their product, though it may be wonderful.
I think Ill go along with you guys.
That sounds fair i guess.
But..Once you know that the person building something so personal is so different and disagreeable, its hard (for me) to love their product, though it may be wonderful.
I think Ill go along with you guys.
thomas
Aug 18, 2012, 8:36:42 PM8/18/12
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I am more offended by extremism -- no matter what the ideology. If you demonize people who disagree with you, then you're an extremist. All extremists are evil and should be taken out and gassed.
Charlie X
Aug 18, 2012, 8:42:24 PM8/18/12
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HA!! Yea...take em out and gas em!! not to be extreme or anything..Love it.
>
>
Mr Maj6th
Aug 18, 2012, 9:22:38 PM8/18/12
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that you would associate with anyone, child molesters, as an example.
If this is true, your standards are quite low!
Maj6th
Gerry
Aug 18, 2012, 9:55:34 PM8/18/12
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co-opting not only the moderate right and the Chamber of Commerce but
also the gullible evangelical Christianists, as well as the national
dialogue on everything from birth control pills to the right to carry a
gun into a bar.
I've heard people tell me, and they are serious, that they considered
Democrats more dangerous than terrorists or communists. So, in sum,
they don't consider them Americans. But at least they haven't quite
villified them as something less than human. I'm afraid it won't be
long.
No, I don't support their businesses.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
Gerry
Aug 18, 2012, 9:57:38 PM8/18/12
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concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
dogma.
thomas
Aug 18, 2012, 10:10:35 PM8/18/12
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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>
> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>
> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>
> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>
> dogma.
I've been living in the south the past eleven years. Most people here are born into religious right-wing families. It's not their fault. Some of them have found ways to live with it, not unlike gays and lesbians who continue to attend catholic churches and vote republican. They rationalize away the parts they don't like.
>
> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>
> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>
> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>
> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>
> dogma.
Charlie X
Aug 18, 2012, 10:15:02 PM8/18/12
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Well..the big beef they have is the economy is bad (of course) and folks are not buying the high end instruments. They blame Obama (of course) and think republicans (the guys who made this mess) are gonna fix it by lowering taxes for rich people..so that musicians will start buying guitars again.
I dont quite follow the logic, but when i consider handing over thousands of dollars to someone who thinks like this...i dunno...cant pull the trigger.
It somehow puts a taint on the guitar...i guess if I had a guitar made by slaves, I would feel like it was tainted and I would not be able to really bond with it....
What seems crazy about this is that its as if something of the builder is left in the guitar when they hand it to you. IN reality, there isnt...its just wood, strings etc...hes otta the picture...but it doesnt feel like that. Plus u feel like you got ripped off just because you gave a person like that your money...
Im surprised to hear Im not alone in this feeling, though it really may be irrational.
I dont quite follow the logic, but when i consider handing over thousands of dollars to someone who thinks like this...i dunno...cant pull the trigger.
It somehow puts a taint on the guitar...i guess if I had a guitar made by slaves, I would feel like it was tainted and I would not be able to really bond with it....
What seems crazy about this is that its as if something of the builder is left in the guitar when they hand it to you. IN reality, there isnt...its just wood, strings etc...hes otta the picture...but it doesnt feel like that. Plus u feel like you got ripped off just because you gave a person like that your money...
Im surprised to hear Im not alone in this feeling, though it really may be irrational.
thomas
Aug 18, 2012, 10:08:10 PM8/18/12
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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:22:38 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>
> >Some of my favorite people are right wing religious zealots.
> Just because we disagree doesn't mean I won't associate with them.
>
>
> >Some of my favorite people are right wing religious zealots.
> Just because we disagree doesn't mean I won't associate with them.
>
> Your reply had to be tongue-in-cheek, that would mean
> that you would associate with anyone, child molesters, as an example.
> If this is true, your standards are quite low!
Not all religious republicans are child molesters. I think Seamus Romney said it best: "Don't roof-rack me, bro!"
> that you would associate with anyone, child molesters, as an example.
> If this is true, your standards are quite low!
Lord Valve
Aug 18, 2012, 11:14:50 PM8/18/12
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Sometimes, leftwing fucks like you are so sideways they
have no idea where they are.
Really.
Do you think rightwingers buy recordings, or go to nightclubs?
How would you feel if, say, YOU had to pass a political screening
before anyone would purchase your recordings, or enter a venue
in which you were employed? Would you find that troubling?
Where is it written that leftist asswipes like you own the arts? You
think you have a lock on creativity, based on your ideological
slant? Is this sort of like the way some black people think they
have a genetic advantage when it comes to playing jazz and
blues? (Of course, if you suggest the opposite - only whitey
can play Bach and Paganini - you'll be branded a racist. ROFL!)
"Authenticity" based on skin pigmentation? Damn, sounds kinda
like some shit the Nazis would come up with, doesn't it? So, you
think your axe would have fuckin' COOTIES if a rightwinger
built it? Even if he was a stellar luthier, an artisan of unparalleled
skill, dedicated to his craft? You *deserve* a second-rate guitar,
built by someone who passes your socialist litmus test, you putz.
My, my, my...what about those lefties - a shitload of 'em - who
fork over ten-twenty-thirty GRAND for an amp built by Dumble?
Dumble is a fat-ass rightwing gun-freak. Santana is a fucking
COMMIE. YOU figure it out, junior - it ain't that hard.
Lemme clue your ass IN, son...I know four or five guys right here
in little old Denver who can smoke your ass on the stand - ALL
rightwingers. There are cats playing in churches - evangelical
Christians - who can play rings around you. You arrogant piece
of shit, how *dare* you impugn someone's skills based on his
political stance?
There are a *shitload* of rightwingers in the music industry - players,
techs, recording engineers, sound and lighting guys, the list is
endless. You've undoubtedly been on the stand with some. They
instinctively stealth their rightwing views to avoid stress - something
leftist shitbirds won't or can't do. I know these cats are out there,
because I get e-mails from 'em all the time.
Especially when I whack some clueless leftard like you.
Go home and woodshed, schmuck.
Lord Valve
Organist
Tim
Aug 18, 2012, 11:39:35 PM8/18/12
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political drivel. You may be amazed but it's really not the so-
called 'righties'
TD
Aug 18, 2012, 11:43:23 PM8/18/12
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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:11:29 PM UTC-4, Charlie X wrote:
-TD
Mr Maj6th
Aug 18, 2012, 11:48:39 PM8/18/12
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:15:02 -0700 (PDT), Charlie X
<diym...@excite.com> wrote:
If you choose not to purchase, you owe it to yourself to tell them
why; it may break the vicious circle.
I don't think you are alone.
Maj6th
<diym...@excite.com> wrote:
If you choose not to purchase, you owe it to yourself to tell them
why; it may break the vicious circle.
I don't think you are alone.
Maj6th
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 12:15:16 AM8/19/12
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:43:23 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonyde...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Not for argument, but say you had fallen into a ditch full of rats
with no
possible way to climb out on your own, and a "ring winger" came by
throwing you a rope, would you not take it? Would you prefer to wait
for some one more suitable to your political preference to come by to
save you, no matter how many days and nights you go without food or
water? I would never turn down a great guitar. Other than that,if the
maker was a criminal of some sort, I wouldn't be in the shop in the
first place. After all, the guitar might be booby trapped.
>
>-TD
I have never heard of anyone throwing a rope in a ditch to rescue
anyone, usually the person in the ditch just stands up.
Maj6th
wrote:
Not for argument, but say you had fallen into a ditch full of rats
with no
possible way to climb out on your own, and a "ring winger" came by
throwing you a rope, would you not take it? Would you prefer to wait
for some one more suitable to your political preference to come by to
save you, no matter how many days and nights you go without food or
water? I would never turn down a great guitar. Other than that,if the
maker was a criminal of some sort, I wouldn't be in the shop in the
first place. After all, the guitar might be booby trapped.
>
>-TD
anyone, usually the person in the ditch just stands up.
Maj6th
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 12:39:13 AM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 03:39:35 +0000, Tim said:
>> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>> dogma.
>
>> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>> dogma.
>
> Go over to rec.boats and see who's doing the most ranting and spewing
> political drivel. You may be amazed but it's really not the so-
> called 'righties'
I'm sure there are even more enclaves, probably up to four or five,
> political drivel. You may be amazed but it's really not the so-
> called 'righties'
where there are specific guys that are on the left that are impossible
to deal with. But I'm really speaking about the world at large. The
ideology is what it is, and there is no left-wing modern equivalent of
Rush, O'Reilly, and the propoganda machine at Fox. "Just folks"
Republicans are free to believe anything they like, but, not
surprisingly, they believe what they are told and a surprisingly large
amount of it is simply lies.
Well fine, that's how modern politics work. Still I can't sit down and
have a policy discussion with any of them any more, as I once did. All
they can do is recite the shriek-radio "outrage of the day"; no more,
no less. Politics, not policy.
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 12:51:53 AM8/19/12
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rpjazzguitar
Aug 19, 2012, 2:40:08 AM8/19/12
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The extreme right is offensive to me. I think they are wrong in most of their economic ideas, but I can handle that. I'm much more offended by their blocking people from voting in Penn. Ohio and Florida.
But, that said, I have a friend who is a fine contractor and generally a good guy. I use him, I recommend him and I don't talk politics with him. When I have heard him speak about politics he parrots Fox.
I could buy a guitar from anybody I thought was a decent person.
But, that said, I have a friend who is a fine contractor and generally a good guy. I use him, I recommend him and I don't talk politics with him. When I have heard him speak about politics he parrots Fox.
I could buy a guitar from anybody I thought was a decent person.
Charlie X
Aug 19, 2012, 8:24:38 AM8/19/12
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Exactly RP. Yes..i guess its the kind of stuff they do like suppressing votes and other tactics just to win that makes me not want to give money in support. They all parrot Fox because they dont have any of their own thoughts and think only what they are told to think.
Thanks all for the input...i guess Im still in the same place..if I know ur politics, U dont get my money. Glad to know Im not alone.
Maj had a good point too...at least I should let them know why.
Thanks all for the input...i guess Im still in the same place..if I know ur politics, U dont get my money. Glad to know Im not alone.
Maj had a good point too...at least I should let them know why.
Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 8:30:25 AM8/19/12
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Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 8:32:24 AM8/19/12
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On Aug 19, 7:24 am, Charlie X <diymu...@excite.com> wrote:
Republican candidates.
good lord.
Charlie X
Aug 19, 2012, 8:46:18 AM8/19/12
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HEY!! Maybe when you eliminate all right wing sellers (which may be most sellers)...you have the cure for GAS!!
Charlie X
Aug 19, 2012, 8:43:21 AM8/19/12
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Well..yes..pretty much 'they all'
Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
I would never buy from Henry for that exact reason.
Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
I would never buy from Henry for that exact reason.
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 9:21:28 AM8/19/12
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-TD
Joe Finn
Aug 19, 2012, 11:04:54 AM8/19/12
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"Charlie X" <diym...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:6a38cbc9-5cd2-44f3...@googlegroups.com...
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time,
> I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying
> who..please dont ask).
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of
> these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
> selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
Hhhmmm.........
> I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying
> who..please dont ask).
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of
> these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
> selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
Not knowing what sort of business or profession you may happen to be in, let
me just raise a rhetorical point. Would you want your customers to hold you
to some particular political standard before they were willing to do
business with you? Would anybody want to live in a world like that?
...joe
--
Visit me on the web www.JoeFinn.net
rakman
Aug 19, 2012, 12:19:12 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
rakman
Aug 19, 2012, 12:22:33 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
I would not buy a LEFT-HANDED guitar from a rapist
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 12:50:34 PM8/19/12
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with propaganda all night long and you listen to it on the radio all
day on the radio, what it says is what you believe. Something like 30%
of Republicans believe that Obama is a Kenyan. Another 45% "don't
know" what religion he is. This despite the incessant reminders that
his Christian preacher said "god damn America". I think there is less
than 25% that believe he is a Christian. So instead of using the word
"all" one should say something like "around 85%" of them parrot Fox
because they don't have ideas of their own and maybe another 12% parrot
Fox because they ideas they have happen to align exactly with Fox's
propaganda.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 12:51:55 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 12:43:21 +0000, Charlie X said:
> Well..yes..pretty much 'they all'
> Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
They are the ones being called RINO in order to shame them into being parrots.
> Well..yes..pretty much 'they all'
> Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
> I would never buy from Henry for that exact reason.
of about 10. He's the kind of guy that sells water during a drought for
50 bucks a bottle.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 12:52:22 PM8/19/12
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TD
Aug 19, 2012, 1:06:40 PM8/19/12
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Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 1:58:09 PM8/19/12
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(scratching head)
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 2:16:06 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 16:50:34 +0000, Gerry said:
> On 2012-08-19 12:30:25 +0000, Tim said:
>
>> On Aug 19, 7:24 am, Charlie X <diymu...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Exactly RP. Yes..i guess its the kind of stuff they do like suppressing
>>> votes and other tactics just to win that makes me not want to give
>>> money in support. They all parrot Fox because they dont have any of
>>> their own thoughts and think only what they are told to think.
>>> Thanks all for the input...i guess Im still in the same place..if I
>>> know ur politics, U dont get my money. Glad to know Im not alone.
>>> Maj had a good point too...at least I should let them know why.
>>
>> blanket statements, guys. "they all"?
>
> Propaganda works it's insidious task very well. If you sit in a room
> with propaganda all night long and you listen to it on the radio all
> day on the radio, what it says is what you believe. Something like 30%
> of Republicans believe that Obama is a Kenyan. Another 45% "don't
> know" what religion he is.
That should be Muslim, not Kenyan, though I think the number believing
> On 2012-08-19 12:30:25 +0000, Tim said:
>
>> On Aug 19, 7:24 am, Charlie X <diymu...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> Exactly RP. Yes..i guess its the kind of stuff they do like suppressing
>>> votes and other tactics just to win that makes me not want to give
>>> money in support. They all parrot Fox because they dont have any of
>>> their own thoughts and think only what they are told to think.
>>> Thanks all for the input...i guess Im still in the same place..if I
>>> know ur politics, U dont get my money. Glad to know Im not alone.
>>> Maj had a good point too...at least I should let them know why.
>>
>> blanket statements, guys. "they all"?
>
> Propaganda works it's insidious task very well. If you sit in a room
> with propaganda all night long and you listen to it on the radio all
> day on the radio, what it says is what you believe. Something like 30%
> of Republicans believe that Obama is a Kenyan. Another 45% "don't
> know" what religion he is.
both is roughly equivalent. In any ALL of them have reached this
conclusion because of propaganda provided by Fox, Clear Channel and
other Republican outlets. I think that's pretty damning.
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 2:31:56 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
question.
Maj6th
wrote:
question.
Maj6th
Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 2:43:45 PM8/19/12
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On Aug 19, 1:31 pm, Mr Maj6th <maj...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tschna...@gmail.com>
If you *know* they are an evil criminal then the line is drawn. if
you *don't/didn't know* Then would you have violated any ethics or
morals? a valid question.
however, we (generally speaking) buy a lot of chinese goods regardless
of their horrible working conditions, child labor, and substandard
human rights. They are our enemy. We fill our cars an boats with
Arabian oil. For the most part they don't like us very well either.
Doesn't seem to stop us from giving them our dollars. so I suppose
it's business as usual.
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tschna...@gmail.com>
you *don't/didn't know* Then would you have violated any ethics or
morals? a valid question.
however, we (generally speaking) buy a lot of chinese goods regardless
of their horrible working conditions, child labor, and substandard
human rights. They are our enemy. We fill our cars an boats with
Arabian oil. For the most part they don't like us very well either.
Doesn't seem to stop us from giving them our dollars. so I suppose
it's business as usual.
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 2:51:15 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 19, 12:06�pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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> >> > On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>
> >>
>
> >> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
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> >>
>
> >> > >> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>
> >>
>
> >> > >> selling �you one?
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 19, 12:06�pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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> >> > On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>
> >>
>
> >> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> > >> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>
> >>
>
>
> >>
>
> >> > >> Just wondering ...
>
> >>
>
> >> > > don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
>
> >>
>
> >> > How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>
> >>
>
> >> > --
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> >>
>
> >> > Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>
> >>
>
> >> Gee, why the need to ask that?
>
> >
>
> >I'm wondering the same thing
>
> >
>
> >(scratching head)
>
>
>
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
>
> question.
>
>
>
> Maj6th
Sure, perhaps valid in some circles, but not in mine. No need to ask such a question. Automatically assumed that no one would do "business" with such entities and I see no correlation with a perfectly sound person with his/her personal political viewpoints (radical or otherwise). You and others may see a correlation. Very little need to take a concensus on where to draw such a line; an imaginary line. But I recognize that a a few individuals will always have a need for such things. Won't buy a great guitar, because the builder is a "right-wing radical?" Let's just imagine how many hidden right wing rads we do business with on a daily basis who don't breathe in laquer 8 to 10 hours a day.
> >>
>
> >> > >> Just wondering ...
>
> >>
>
> >> > > don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
>
> >>
>
> >> > How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>
> >>
>
> >> > --
>
> >>
>
> >> > Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>
> >>
>
> >> Gee, why the need to ask that?
>
> >
>
> >I'm wondering the same thing
>
> >
>
> >(scratching head)
>
>
>
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
>
> question.
>
>
>
> Maj6th
Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 2:45:53 PM8/19/12
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But it still comes down to the thought that you don't have to buy
anything from anybody you don't like for what ever reason you choose.
Around here it is a free country.... still.
anything from anybody you don't like for what ever reason you choose.
Around here it is a free country.... still.
thomas
Aug 19, 2012, 2:41:54 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:16:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
> That should be Muslim, not Kenyan, though I think the number believing
>
> both is roughly equivalent. In any ALL of them have reached this
>
> conclusion because of propaganda provided by Fox, Clear Channel and
>
> other Republican outlets. I think that's pretty damning.
My cousin said that she knows Obama is a Muslim because she heard on Fox that he took off his shoes when he visited a mosque. My mom replied: "So did I. It was the polite thing to do."
>
> That should be Muslim, not Kenyan, though I think the number believing
>
> both is roughly equivalent. In any ALL of them have reached this
>
> conclusion because of propaganda provided by Fox, Clear Channel and
>
> other Republican outlets. I think that's pretty damning.
mark cleary
Aug 19, 2012, 3:14:49 PM8/19/12
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"thomas" wrote in message
news:0849d4eb-69da-4107...@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>
> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>
> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>
> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>
> dogma.
I've been living in the south the past eleven years. Most people here are
born into religious right-wing families. It's not their fault. Some of them
have found ways to live with it, not unlike gays and lesbians who continue
to attend catholic churches and vote republican. They rationalize away the
parts they don't like.
I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend Catholic
Churches. We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
Rationalizing way parts that they do not like is very much over
simplification. In deep prayer and conversation with the Lord he speaks to
each person individually and it could be that dialog in prayer has brought
them to an understanding of how to live in the world. I am not saying they
can rationalize away things or any of us, just that on the outside it is to
make judgments about conditions we do not know.
This is a long way from jazz guitar but then I have not been playing nearly
as much as I should either.
Deacon Mark Cleary
Epiphany Catholic Church
news:0849d4eb-69da-4107...@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:57:38 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>
> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>
> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>
> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>
> dogma.
born into religious right-wing families. It's not their fault. Some of them
have found ways to live with it, not unlike gays and lesbians who continue
to attend catholic churches and vote republican. They rationalize away the
parts they don't like.
I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend Catholic
Churches. We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
Rationalizing way parts that they do not like is very much over
simplification. In deep prayer and conversation with the Lord he speaks to
each person individually and it could be that dialog in prayer has brought
them to an understanding of how to live in the world. I am not saying they
can rationalize away things or any of us, just that on the outside it is to
make judgments about conditions we do not know.
This is a long way from jazz guitar but then I have not been playing nearly
as much as I should either.
Deacon Mark Cleary
Epiphany Catholic Church
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 3:38:09 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:43:45 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You are talking about national political decisions, I thought we were
speaking of individual decisions on whom to deal with based on their
political (or criminal) philosophy; It is my right to make that
decision anytime I choose.
Maj6th
wrote:
speaking of individual decisions on whom to deal with based on their
political (or criminal) philosophy; It is my right to make that
decision anytime I choose.
Maj6th
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 3:41:40 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonyde...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 19, 12:06�pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>
>> >> > On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > >> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > >> selling �you one?
Maj6th
wrote:
>On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 19, 12:06�pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>
>> >> > On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > >> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > >> Just wondering ...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > --
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Gee, why the need to ask that?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >I'm wondering the same thing
>>
>> >
>>
>> >(scratching head)
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
>>
>> question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maj6th
>
>Sure, perhaps valid in some circles, but not in mine. No need to ask such a question. Automatically
assumed that no one would do "business" with such entities and I see
no correlation with a perfectly sound person with his/her personal
political viewpoints (radical or otherwise). You and others may see a
correlation. Very little need to take a concensus on where to draw
such a line; an imaginary line. But I recognize that a a few
individuals will always have a need for such things. Won't buy a great
guitar, because the builder is a "right-wing radical?" Let's just
imagine how many hidden right wing rads we do business with on a daily
basis who don't breathe in laquer 8 to 10 hours a day.
It's no secret that some people have higher standards than others.
>> >>
>>
>> >> > >> Just wondering ...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > --
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Gee, why the need to ask that?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >I'm wondering the same thing
>>
>> >
>>
>> >(scratching head)
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
>>
>> question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maj6th
>
>Sure, perhaps valid in some circles, but not in mine. No need to ask such a question. Automatically
assumed that no one would do "business" with such entities and I see
no correlation with a perfectly sound person with his/her personal
political viewpoints (radical or otherwise). You and others may see a
correlation. Very little need to take a concensus on where to draw
such a line; an imaginary line. But I recognize that a a few
individuals will always have a need for such things. Won't buy a great
guitar, because the builder is a "right-wing radical?" Let's just
imagine how many hidden right wing rads we do business with on a daily
basis who don't breathe in laquer 8 to 10 hours a day.
Maj6th
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 3:47:24 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>But it still comes down to the thought that you don't have to buy
>anything from anybody you don't like for what ever reason you choose.
>
>Around here it is a free country.... still.
I agree totally, it "is" a matter of choice.
Maj6th
wrote:
>But it still comes down to the thought that you don't have to buy
>anything from anybody you don't like for what ever reason you choose.
>
>Around here it is a free country.... still.
Maj6th
thomas
Aug 19, 2012, 4:22:10 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:41:40 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>
> It's no secret that some people have higher standards than others.
Aren't you the guy who was just lusting after the Gibson Joseph Goebbels model? I mean, I agree that everyone looks great in a Nazi uniform, but we've got to draw the line somewhere.
>
> It's no secret that some people have higher standards than others.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 4:27:44 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 18:31:56 +0000, Mr Maj6th said:
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
> question.
And why would anyone want to ask a valid question?
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
> question.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 4:31:08 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 18:43:45 +0000, Tim said:
> If you *know* they are an evil criminal then the line is drawn. if
> you *don't/didn't know* Then would you have violated any ethics or
> morals? a valid question.
>
> however, we (generally speaking) buy a lot of chinese goods regardless
> of their horrible working conditions, child labor, and substandard
> human rights.
I try not to. It's frequently impossible as "the business community"
> If you *know* they are an evil criminal then the line is drawn. if
> you *don't/didn't know* Then would you have violated any ethics or
> morals? a valid question.
>
> however, we (generally speaking) buy a lot of chinese goods regardless
> of their horrible working conditions, child labor, and substandard
> human rights.
has made it almost impossible not to. Slave labor is just as good for
cutting costs now as it was in slavery days in the US. Also lower
taxes, and lower tariffs. This is the "business first" model that is
the heart and soul of modern Republicanism. I don't buy Chinese
products, when I can avoid it, for many pro-American and
anti-Republican reasons. Guitars fit in there really easily for me.
> Doesn't seem to stop us from giving them our dollars. so I suppose
> it's business as usual.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 4:34:06 PM8/19/12
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and the poor alike have the freedom to sleep under an overpass in a
cardboard box.
We have the freedom of speech too. And money buys the freedom of speech
to villify free-speechers and find trumped-up charges to put them in
jail. Freedom of speech to whistle-blow on a corrupt industry and then
the freedom to ruin their lives for having done it.
We always talk about the freedoms we have in America and how unlike the
old European model it was, where you could be imprisoned for your
speech or your religion. Yes I think we have more freedoms than in
much of the world, but dramatically less that our marketing claims.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 4:35:06 PM8/19/12
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AR
Aug 19, 2012, 4:37:51 PM8/19/12
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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:11:29 PM UTC-4, Charlie X wrote:
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
>
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
>
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
>
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
On "Curb Your Enthusiasm" Larry David was faced with a similar ethical dilemma in the episode where his wife, on the occasion of their tenth anniversary, allows him to have a one night stand.
>
> Just wondering ...
Spoiler:
No characters on this episode play jazz guitar.
Very OT Addendum:
Heavy dose of right-wing-rants can be heard on the YouTube video "Dishonorable Discloser". Only those comments agreeing with the viewpoints presented in this video have been allowed (I tried). So, if you momentarily need a break from rmmjg, find this video and either "like" or "dislike" it. I'm confident that a good portion of rmmjg-ers would find it as nauseating as I did and give it a "thumbs down".
Spoiler:
None of the actors - I mean military personnel - in this video play jazz guitar.
rpjazzguitar
Aug 19, 2012, 4:40:31 PM8/19/12
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The thread got me thinking about who I am buying products from. Mostly, I don't know and I don't spend much time thinking about it. If I removed all rightwing (and other politically objectionable) products from my house, how much stuff would I have left?
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 4:20:24 PM8/19/12
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On Aug 19, 3:41 pm, Mr Maj6th <maj...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Yes, you reveal how far you want to take it. Duly noted. Next time YOU
buy.
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tschna...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
buy.
thomas
Aug 19, 2012, 5:04:46 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:31:08 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
>I don't buy Chinese
> products, when I can avoid it, for many pro-American and
> anti-Republican reasons. Guitars fit in there really easily for me.
Where do you come down on Mississippi-made Peaveys? Them old boys make some damn fine guitars.
>
>I don't buy Chinese
> products, when I can avoid it, for many pro-American and
> anti-Republican reasons. Guitars fit in there really easily for me.
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 5:12:05 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:40:31 PM UTC-4, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> The thread got me thinking about who I am buying products from. Mostly, I don't know and I don't spend much time thinking about it. If I removed all rightwing (and other politically objectionable) products from my house, how much stuff would I have left?
Possibly next to none, but you might suddenly develop new found higher "standards." After all, criminals, child molesters, rapists, and dope dealers and right wingers have to be of the same ilk; correct? But, if you are totally naive to who is who and what is what, then it's not a sin. It's only a sin if you know it's a sin. Ain't that wild? And that brings to mind the Inquisition, where the main Inquisitors could care less if we knew or not. On a personal note, I find it quite paradoxical concerning who are really the radical ones in the final analysis. But, I really don't need to know. I don't need to ask. I don't consider it "valid." It's also my right, right? Left, right, center?
> The thread got me thinking about who I am buying products from. Mostly, I don't know and I don't spend much time thinking about it. If I removed all rightwing (and other politically objectionable) products from my house, how much stuff would I have left?
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 5:20:31 PM8/19/12
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low-paid over-worked folk in the back country of China, or the
chaw-and-spit piney woods of the south? Tough choice.
TD
Aug 19, 2012, 5:22:16 PM8/19/12
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Tim
Aug 19, 2012, 5:25:48 PM8/19/12
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Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 5:29:36 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:20:24 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonyde...@gmail.com>
Maj6th
>> It's no secret that some people have higher standards than others.
>>
>> Maj6th
>
>Yes, you reveal how far you want to take it. Duly noted. Next time YOU
>buy.
I can do that.
>>
>> Maj6th
>
>Yes, you reveal how far you want to take it. Duly noted. Next time YOU
>buy.
Maj6th
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 5:32:34 PM8/19/12
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uniform got in here either?
Maj6th
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 5:35:23 PM8/19/12
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CBS) seemed to imply "almost none". This assumes that China is among
the "politically objectionable". They stripped a house of everything
that wasn't made in the USA and the house was almost empty. When they
restored it with UnitedStatesian items they didn't split between left
and right, but I can only assume that at least 42% of it would be
Republican made. I can just enivision party affiliation on the
"manufactured by" tag.
I don't mind buying products from Republicans or non-Democrats; I mind
buying products from fascists who support denying the vote to millions
of Americans, cutting taxes on the wealthiest, outsourcing public
schools to corporations, outsourcing veterans health services to
non-governmental agencies, outsourcing social security to wallstreet,
ensuring corporations don't have to pay taxes, etc. Any shmuck who is
voting for Romney because Obama is a mooslim, how can I blame that
pathetic wretch?
But those who are the fulcrum of demolishing the core of America, the
Koch Brothers; these guys manufacturer Northern toilet tissue. I wipe
my ass with their products everyday. Pity me, the pathetic wretch that
I am, that considers my tush more important than their
buying-and-selling of congressional seats.
We likely didn't face such ethical questions through most of a lifetime
buying cheap objects. It's only since the mass exportation of
manufacturing in the USA to China, India, Indonesia, et al became so
obvious. Additionally outsourcing non-manufacturing jobs, such as
customer service for appliciances, software, etc. made this outsourcing
a part of our daily lives. I have to speak to Phillipinos when I have
problems with DirecTV. That kinda brings it home more than it did 10
years ago.
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 5:37:56 PM8/19/12
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I certainly would buy their amps, but, if they started to promote
owning slaves while they were selling it to me, I would pass.
Maj6th
thomas
Aug 19, 2012, 5:57:10 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:32:34 PM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>
> >Aren't you the guy who was just lusting after the Gibson Joseph Goebbels model?
>
> I mean, I agree that everyone looks great in a Nazi uniform, but we've
> got to draw the line somewhere.
>
> I'm not sure lusting is the right word, I'm also not sure how a Nazi
> uniform got in here either?
I think we can all agree -- no matter what our politics -- that Hitler had fabulous taste in cars:
>
> >Aren't you the guy who was just lusting after the Gibson Joseph Goebbels model?
>
> I mean, I agree that everyone looks great in a Nazi uniform, but we've
> got to draw the line somewhere.
>
> I'm not sure lusting is the right word, I'm also not sure how a Nazi
> uniform got in here either?
http://tinyurl.com/8qfzdst
rpjazzguitar
Aug 19, 2012, 6:10:53 PM8/19/12
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About 43% of the population of Mississippi voted for Obama.
The most extreme red state was Oklahoma and 34% of them voted for Obama.
Hartley Peavey donated $2300 to McCain according to a website (google it). Apparently, he donated another $4600 later. Several people in Peavey management donated to McCain.
He makes good products, sells them at a reasonable price and manufactures them mostly in the USA. I'd be willing to buy something from him.
The most extreme red state was Oklahoma and 34% of them voted for Obama.
Hartley Peavey donated $2300 to McCain according to a website (google it). Apparently, he donated another $4600 later. Several people in Peavey management donated to McCain.
He makes good products, sells them at a reasonable price and manufactures them mostly in the USA. I'd be willing to buy something from him.
Greger Hoel
Aug 19, 2012, 6:11:29 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:57:10 +0200, thomas <drthoma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Fabulous is the word, indeed.
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Jonathan
Aug 19, 2012, 6:13:58 PM8/19/12
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TD
Aug 19, 2012, 6:21:09 PM8/19/12
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thomas
Aug 19, 2012, 6:21:55 PM8/19/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:10:53 PM UTC-4, rpjazzguitar wrote:
> About 43% of the population of Mississippi voted for Obama.
Thirty seven percent of Mississippi's population is black. Most of the whites in the state vote Republican.
> About 43% of the population of Mississippi voted for Obama.
> Hartley Peavey donated $2300 to McCain according to a website (google it). Apparently, he donated another $4600 later. Several people in Peavey management donated to McCain.
>
> He makes good products, sells them at a reasonable price and manufactures them mostly in the USA. I'd be willing to buy something from him.>
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 6:40:09 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:10:53 -0700 (PDT), rpjazzguitar
<rpjazz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>About 43% of the population of Mississippi voted for Obama.
60% of Mississippi's population is white, and they are the power base,
<rpjazz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>About 43% of the population of Mississippi voted for Obama.
which race do you think voted for him?
Maj6th
Mr Maj6th
Aug 19, 2012, 6:42:22 PM8/19/12
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Maj6th
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 7:13:52 PM8/19/12
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state that has enough free time on their hands to pass a law forbidding
the consideration of shariah law in legal judgements. Whew! Close call!
But just being stupid or wasting time and money--still not a good
reason to buy Chinese-made products over Oklahoman-made products, not
for me any way.
We do vote with our wallets in this society though. I won't buy
products from clear and obvious fascists.
Gerry
Aug 19, 2012, 7:19:34 PM8/19/12
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On 2012-08-19 22:13:58 +0000, Jonathan said:
> I don't know whether our current economic system would be able to
> function without slave labor of one sort of another (it's just mostly
> overseas these days and well-hidden by the corporate masters)...
> I don't know whether our current economic system would be able to
> function without slave labor of one sort of another (it's just mostly
I think we can do very well without slave labor, but we have to spend
more for products. When you think about the mark-up on, for instance,
tennis shoes, realize that that the slave labor involved is really not
the big bite of it's financial profile.
> ...so it's probably best not to do too much research. Just feign
> outrage every once in awhile when a particularly egregious example
> comes to light and keep buying those cheap goods at WalMart :)
I wouldn't walk in the place, even if they were pouring free Armagnac.
> comes to light and keep buying those cheap goods at WalMart :)
I've been there once and it was 1994. I didn't buy anything, I just
went there to find out if there were any really fat people in Southern
California.
There are.
rpjazzguitar
Aug 19, 2012, 7:44:33 PM8/19/12
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Could be that the website I found was out of date. It mentioned several manufacturing facilities, all in the USA save for one in China.
Charlie X
Aug 19, 2012, 7:56:50 PM8/19/12
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> I think we can all agree -- no matter what our politics -- that Hitler had fabulous taste in cars:
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8qfzdst
Greger Hoel
Aug 19, 2012, 8:51:56 PM8/19/12
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:14:49 +0200, mark cleary <mcle...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend
> Catholic Churches.
There's certainly ample evidence those who are attracted to younger
members of the same sex do attend Catholic churches. It's really only when
it's between consenting adults, when it's victimless homosexuality rather
than violent pederasty it becomes a problem for the Catholic church, isn't
it?
> We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
I'm gonna hazard the guess that you indeed meant to include a "not"
somewhere in there. But some slip ups are funnier than others.
> Rationalizing way parts that they do not like is very much over
> simplification.
True, rationalizing away parts they don't like is too simplistic. If that
were the case, the lack of a core in the onion would wake far more of them
up.
> In deep prayer and conversation with the Lord he speaks to each person
> individually and it could be that dialog in prayer has brought them to
> an understanding of how to live in the world. I am not saying they can
> rationalize away things or any of us, just that on the outside it is to
> make judgments about conditions we do not know.
Dude, c'mon...
There's so much I could say, but there are others who've said it much
better. Click the link for a good rundown of the virtues of the Catholic
church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzGoXw
wrote:
> I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend
> Catholic Churches.
There's certainly ample evidence those who are attracted to younger
members of the same sex do attend Catholic churches. It's really only when
it's between consenting adults, when it's victimless homosexuality rather
than violent pederasty it becomes a problem for the Catholic church, isn't
it?
> We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
I'm gonna hazard the guess that you indeed meant to include a "not"
somewhere in there. But some slip ups are funnier than others.
> Rationalizing way parts that they do not like is very much over
> simplification.
True, rationalizing away parts they don't like is too simplistic. If that
were the case, the lack of a core in the onion would wake far more of them
up.
> In deep prayer and conversation with the Lord he speaks to each person
> individually and it could be that dialog in prayer has brought them to
> an understanding of how to live in the world. I am not saying they can
> rationalize away things or any of us, just that on the outside it is to
> make judgments about conditions we do not know.
Dude, c'mon...
There's so much I could say, but there are others who've said it much
better. Click the link for a good rundown of the virtues of the Catholic
church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzGoXw
Vlad
Aug 20, 2012, 4:03:00 AM8/20/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:11:29 AM UTC+2, Charlie X wrote:
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
>
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
>
>
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
>
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
>
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
>
> Just wondering ...
I thought all Italo-Americans over the age of 50 lean a bit to the right.
>
> Just wondering ...
terrasbeest
Aug 20, 2012, 5:45:16 AM8/20/12
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Op maandag 20 augustus 2012 10:03:00 UTC+2 schreef Vlad het volgende:
Wiseguy......
David J. Littleboy
Aug 20, 2012, 7:27:19 AM8/20/12
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"Vlad" wrote:
On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:11:29 AM UTC+2, Charlie X wrote:
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time,
> I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying
> who..please dont ask).
I thought all Italo-Americans over the age of 50 lean a bit to the right.
<<<<<<<<<
You're 50 years out of date. Except for one extraordinarily successful
<<<<<<<<<
maker, the Molls, Andersens, and Holsts of this world don't belong to that
demographic.
-- David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Bill Williams
Aug 20, 2012, 6:51:49 AM8/20/12
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Good people of Earth, who are these “Republicans” and “Democrats” of whom you speak?
Jonathan
Aug 20, 2012, 10:42:25 AM8/20/12
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:19:34 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-08-19 22:13:58 +0000, Jonathan said:
>
>
>
> > I don't know whether our current economic system would be able to
>
> > function without slave labor of one sort of another (it's just mostly
>
> > overseas these days and well-hidden by the corporate masters)...
>
>
>
> I think we can do very well without slave labor, but we have to spend
>
> more for products. When you think about the mark-up on, for instance,
>
> tennis shoes, realize that that the slave labor involved is really not
>
> the big bite of it's financial profile.
>
In theory, you're correct, but in practice, corporations have no reason to change. They're gonna try to squeeze every drop of profit they can.
> On 2012-08-19 22:13:58 +0000, Jonathan said:
>
>
>
> > I don't know whether our current economic system would be able to
>
> > function without slave labor of one sort of another (it's just mostly
>
> > overseas these days and well-hidden by the corporate masters)...
>
>
>
> I think we can do very well without slave labor, but we have to spend
>
> more for products. When you think about the mark-up on, for instance,
>
> tennis shoes, realize that that the slave labor involved is really not
>
> the big bite of it's financial profile.
>
>
>
> > ...so it's probably best not to do too much research. Just feign
>
> > outrage every once in awhile when a particularly egregious example
>
> > comes to light and keep buying those cheap goods at WalMart :)
>
>
>
> I wouldn't walk in the place, even if they were pouring free Armagnac.
I feel the same way about Guitar Center. I would much rather spend the extra money at a boutique shop.
Mr Maj6th
Aug 20, 2012, 1:28:41 PM8/20/12
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Vlad
<vladimir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I thought all Italo-Americans over the age of 50 lean a bit to the right.
No they dress a bit to the right.
<vladimir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>I thought all Italo-Americans over the age of 50 lean a bit to the right.
Maj6th
Garvin Yee
Aug 20, 2012, 2:15:01 PM8/20/12
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On 8/18/2012 5:11 PM, Charlie X wrote:
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
Although I occasionally get into some heated arguments
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
with hard-core right wingers, I find political differences
have almost zero effect on whether or not I become friends
with them.
Soo.... it wouldn't matter to me...
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34735015@N03/sets/72157623566520134/show/
http://fineartamerica.com/profiles/garvin-yee.html
Jonathan
Aug 20, 2012, 2:26:33 PM8/20/12
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Gerry
Aug 20, 2012, 6:10:06 PM8/20/12
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On 2012-08-20 18:15:01 +0000, Garvin Yee said:
> On 8/18/2012 5:11 PM, Charlie X wrote:
>> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election
>> time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not
>> saying who..please dont ask).
>> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of
>> these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>>
>> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>> selling you one?
>> Just wondering ...
>
>
> Although I occasionally get into some heated arguments
> with hard-core right wingers, I find political differences
> have almost zero effect on whether or not I become friends
> with them.
>
> Soo.... it wouldn't matter to me...
That pretty much describes my viewpoint, until around the time the
> On 8/18/2012 5:11 PM, Charlie X wrote:
>> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election
>> time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not
>> saying who..please dont ask).
>> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of
>> these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>>
>> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>> selling you one?
>> Just wondering ...
>
>
> Although I occasionally get into some heated arguments
> with hard-core right wingers, I find political differences
> have almost zero effect on whether or not I become friends
> with them.
>
> Soo.... it wouldn't matter to me...
Republican party was all about impeaching Clinton for being a democrat.
Then, I found rank-and-file personally hostile. That's when any
disagreement on policy quickly became a discussion of *me* and my
failings, love of country, hatred of "freedom", and such.
Under Bush it became even more hostile. Actually I can beg it almost
precisely to the activities of Limbaugh. His agitprop really seemed to
move them in a personal and vindictive way. All policy became posing
and politics.
Just my experience.
TiborReach
Aug 20, 2012, 6:50:11 PM8/20/12
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I could not buy from someone who spouts the kind of vile rhetoric that usually comes from the "Fox" right and dittoheads of the world - some of which is on display in this thread.
Charlie X
Aug 20, 2012, 7:16:50 PM8/20/12
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On Monday, August 20, 2012 6:50:11 PM UTC-4, TiborReach wrote:
> I could not buy from someone who spouts the kind of vile rhetoric that usually comes from the "Fox" right and dittoheads of the world - some of which is on display in this thread.
Ok TiborReach...so, what do you do? I can see not buying a car or something that you can get anyplace, but some of these guys do unique work. You cant get it anywhere else. I guess its best to not know their views...otherwise, im with you..cant do it. Hell..i cant even stand listening to Wagner for what he was all about, and he was a great talent too. There is some connection between the person and the product when its that personal. WIsh i could just forget about it!
> I could not buy from someone who spouts the kind of vile rhetoric that usually comes from the "Fox" right and dittoheads of the world - some of which is on display in this thread.
Gerry
Aug 20, 2012, 7:42:06 PM8/20/12
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topics contaminated by Fox consumers over the past few years. Which
means almost everything. Shooting the breeze waiting on line at a store
somewhere with the guy behind me--I make absolutely no attempt to
discuss politics of any kind and don't care anything about sports.
Right there, I've practically told them I'm a liberal.
I live in Orange County or "the OC" as Fox programming has idiotically
re-named it. The place is overwhelmingly Republican. So I avoid
politics like the plague and the others usually do too.
In this way, everybody gets along.
thomas
Aug 20, 2012, 7:58:22 PM8/20/12
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On Monday, August 20, 2012 7:42:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>
> I live in Orange County or "the OC" as Fox programming has idiotically
> re-named it. The place is overwhelmingly Republican. So I avoid
> politics like the plague and the others usually do too.
That just leaves the weather, and it doesn't do a whole lot in the OC. Do you live in the Congressional district represented by that closeted gay guy?
>
> I live in Orange County or "the OC" as Fox programming has idiotically
> re-named it. The place is overwhelmingly Republican. So I avoid
> politics like the plague and the others usually do too.
Tim
Aug 20, 2012, 8:09:30 PM8/20/12
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One thing about music is that it knows no politics nor follows any
political creed.
political creed.
TD
Aug 20, 2012, 8:14:46 PM8/20/12
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On Monday, August 20, 2012 8:09:30 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
> One thing about music is that it knows no politics nor follows any
>
> political creed.
You might want to examine your statement a little closer.
> One thing about music is that it knows no politics nor follows any
>
> political creed.
Lord Valve
Aug 20, 2012, 8:43:44 PM8/20/12
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Life in the People's Republic of Obamastan's fuckin' grand,
ain't it?
Change *is* coming. Hope you assholes can take it.
Got guns?
Lord Valve
American - so far
Tim
Aug 20, 2012, 8:52:02 PM8/20/12
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knew I'd goofed when I hit the send, but hey. Supper was on!
Gerry
Aug 21, 2012, 12:18:05 AM8/21/12
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On 2012-08-20 23:58:22 +0000, thomas said:
> On Monday, August 20, 2012 7:42:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>
>> I live in Orange County or "the OC" as Fox programming has idiotically
>> re-named it. The place is overwhelmingly Republican. So I avoid
>> politics like the plague and the others usually do too.
>
> That just leaves the weather, and it doesn't do a whole lot in the OC.
You know me well enough to know there's always something to blabber about.
> On Monday, August 20, 2012 7:42:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>
>> I live in Orange County or "the OC" as Fox programming has idiotically
>> re-named it. The place is overwhelmingly Republican. So I avoid
>> politics like the plague and the others usually do too.
>
> That just leaves the weather, and it doesn't do a whole lot in the OC.
> Do you live in the Congressional district represented by that closeted gay guy?
is Loretta Sanchez who lives about three blocks from me. We see her in
the mornings sometimes on a walk. I've probably chatted with her six
or seven times, officially and unofficially, over the last few terms.
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:31:59 PM8/21/12
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On 8/18/2012 8:11 PM, Charlie X wrote:
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
>
I think anyone out there with their political views can expect some
> Been talking with a number of builders, and since its near election time, I am hearing a lot of right wing rants from these guys (not saying who..please dont ask).
> I will say, that I dont think Id enjoy owning a guitar made by one of these guys...kinda feel like it has 'cooties'.
>
> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter, selling you one?
> Just wondering ...
>
flak. But as a waay out of the closet leftie, I'd have to turn it
around. I have no place discussing politics with my patients (though I
often do). But I'd be a complete ass to treat someone differently based
on their political views.
After all, the left is supposed to be tolerant, right?
There--I said it. I seem to be agreeing with organ guy. Does that mean
I rot in hell?
Steve
P.S. I can imagine exceptions to this. If my guitarmaker engaged in
practices directly related to his/her occupation that I found offensive
(say, using smuggled wood of endangered trees), I would stay away.
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:37:17 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 8:51 PM, Greger Hoel wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:14:49 +0200, mark cleary <mcle...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend
>> Catholic Churches.
>
> There's certainly ample evidence those who are attracted to younger
> members of the same sex do attend Catholic churches. It's really only
> when it's between consenting adults, when it's victimless homosexuality
> rather than violent pederasty it becomes a problem for the Catholic
> church, isn't it?
>
>> We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
>
> I'm gonna hazard the guess that you indeed meant to include a "not"
> somewhere in there. But some slip ups are funnier than others.
Back in school, we spoke of '"Fraudian" slips'.
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:14:49 +0200, mark cleary <mcle...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I would hope that those who are attracted to the same sex do attend
>> Catholic Churches.
>
> There's certainly ample evidence those who are attracted to younger
> members of the same sex do attend Catholic churches. It's really only
> when it's between consenting adults, when it's victimless homosexuality
> rather than violent pederasty it becomes a problem for the Catholic
> church, isn't it?
>
>> We do throw them out or beat them up despite the media.
>
> I'm gonna hazard the guess that you indeed meant to include a "not"
> somewhere in there. But some slip ups are funnier than others.
S.
>
>> Rationalizing way parts that they do not like is very much over
>> simplification.
>
> True, rationalizing away parts they don't like is too simplistic. If
> that were the case, the lack of a core in the onion would wake far more
> of them up.
>
>> In deep prayer and conversation with the Lord he speaks to each person
>> individually and it could be that dialog in prayer has brought them to
>> an understanding of how to live in the world. I am not saying they can
>> rationalize away things or any of us, just that on the outside it is
>> to make judgments about conditions we do not know.
>
> Dude, c'mon...
>
> There's so much I could say, but there are others who've said it much
> better. Click the link for a good rundown of the virtues of the Catholic
> church:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kuzYwzGoXw
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:39:17 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 12:39 AM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-08-19 03:39:35 +0000, Tim said:
>
>>> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>>> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>>> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>>> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>>> dogma.
>>
>> Go over to rec.boats and see who's doing the most ranting and spewing
>> political drivel. You may be amazed but it's really not the so-
>> called 'righties'
>
> I'm sure there are even more enclaves, probably up to four or five,
> where there are specific guys that are on the left that are impossible
> to deal with. But I'm really speaking about the world at large. The
> ideology is what it is, and there is no left-wing modern equivalent of
> Rush, O'Reilly, and the propoganda machine at Fox. "Just folks"
> Republicans are free to believe anything they like, but, not
> surprisingly, they believe what they are told and a surprisingly large
> amount of it is simply lies.
>
> Well fine, that's how modern politics work. Still I can't sit down and
> have a policy discussion with any of them any more, as I once did. All
> they can do is recite the shriek-radio "outrage of the day"; no more, no
> less. Politics, not policy.
Well, Gerry, I think there are more moderate "Rockefeller" Republicans"
than most of us acknowledge. They have names like "Clinton", "Obama",
etc. is all...
Steve
> On 2012-08-19 03:39:35 +0000, Tim said:
>
>>> I'm find "extremists" on the right rather common these days. The
>>> concept of the RINO is directed at ensuring there is no backsliding on
>>> whatever the lunatic fringe proposes. I use to have righty friends,
>>> but they are like zombies now; all they do is recite other people's
>>> dogma.
>>
>> Go over to rec.boats and see who's doing the most ranting and spewing
>> political drivel. You may be amazed but it's really not the so-
>> called 'righties'
>
> I'm sure there are even more enclaves, probably up to four or five,
> where there are specific guys that are on the left that are impossible
> to deal with. But I'm really speaking about the world at large. The
> ideology is what it is, and there is no left-wing modern equivalent of
> Rush, O'Reilly, and the propoganda machine at Fox. "Just folks"
> Republicans are free to believe anything they like, but, not
> surprisingly, they believe what they are told and a surprisingly large
> amount of it is simply lies.
>
> Well fine, that's how modern politics work. Still I can't sit down and
> have a policy discussion with any of them any more, as I once did. All
> they can do is recite the shriek-radio "outrage of the day"; no more, no
> less. Politics, not policy.
Well, Gerry, I think there are more moderate "Rockefeller" Republicans"
than most of us acknowledge. They have names like "Clinton", "Obama",
etc. is all...
Steve
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:43:12 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 12:51 AM, TD wrote:
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:15:16 AM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:43:23 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonyde...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not for argument, but say you had fallen into a ditch full of rats
>>
>> with no
>>
>> possible way to climb out on your own, and a "ring winger" came by
>>
>> throwing you a rope, would you not take it? Would you prefer to wait
>>
>> for some one more suitable to your political preference to come by to
>>
>> save you, no matter how many days and nights you go without food or
>>
>> water? I would never turn down a great guitar. Other than that,if the
>>
>> maker was a criminal of some sort, I wouldn't be in the shop in the
>>
>> first place. After all, the guitar might be booby trapped.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -TD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never heard of anyone throwing a rope in a ditch to rescue
>>
>> anyone, usually the person in the ditch just stands up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maj6th
>
> Of course you haven't.
>
I think the perception is that the right winger wouldn't throw the
lefty the rope. I'm sure that most of the time that isn't true (or hope
not), but the mere fact that there could be doubt cast there illustrates
the level of polarization and alienation.
That's one thing I can say about the military ethos--that kind of crap
would not be tolerated.
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:15:16 AM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:43:23 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonyde...@gmail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not for argument, but say you had fallen into a ditch full of rats
>>
>> with no
>>
>> possible way to climb out on your own, and a "ring winger" came by
>>
>> throwing you a rope, would you not take it? Would you prefer to wait
>>
>> for some one more suitable to your political preference to come by to
>>
>> save you, no matter how many days and nights you go without food or
>>
>> water? I would never turn down a great guitar. Other than that,if the
>>
>> maker was a criminal of some sort, I wouldn't be in the shop in the
>>
>> first place. After all, the guitar might be booby trapped.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -TD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never heard of anyone throwing a rope in a ditch to rescue
>>
>> anyone, usually the person in the ditch just stands up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maj6th
>
> Of course you haven't.
>
I think the perception is that the right winger wouldn't throw the
lefty the rope. I'm sure that most of the time that isn't true (or hope
not), but the mere fact that there could be doubt cast there illustrates
the level of polarization and alienation.
That's one thing I can say about the military ethos--that kind of crap
would not be tolerated.
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:45:01 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 4:35 PM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-08-19 18:41:54 +0000, thomas said:
>
>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:16:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>>
>>> That should be Muslim, not Kenyan, though I think the number believing
>>>
>>> both is roughly equivalent. In any ALL of them have reached this
>>>
>>> conclusion because of propaganda provided by Fox, Clear Channel and
>>>
>>> other Republican outlets. I think that's pretty damning.
>>
>> My cousin said that she knows Obama is a Muslim because she heard on
>> Fox that he took off his shoes when he visited a mosque. My mom
>> replied: "So did I. It was the polite thing to do."
>
> Ah if politeness and cognitive processing ruled the world...
My wife makes me take off my shoes when I come in the door. It's
probably time we had a little talk.
> On 2012-08-19 18:41:54 +0000, thomas said:
>
>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:16:06 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>>
>>> That should be Muslim, not Kenyan, though I think the number believing
>>>
>>> both is roughly equivalent. In any ALL of them have reached this
>>>
>>> conclusion because of propaganda provided by Fox, Clear Channel and
>>>
>>> other Republican outlets. I think that's pretty damning.
>>
>> My cousin said that she knows Obama is a Muslim because she heard on
>> Fox that he took off his shoes when he visited a mosque. My mom
>> replied: "So did I. It was the polite thing to do."
>
> Ah if politeness and cognitive processing ruled the world...
My wife makes me take off my shoes when I come in the door. It's
probably time we had a little talk.
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:46:33 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 12:51 PM, Gerry wrote:
> On 2012-08-19 12:43:21 +0000, Charlie X said:
>
>> Well..yes..pretty much 'they all'
>> Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
>
> They are the ones being called RINO in order to shame them into being
> parrots.
>
>> I would never buy from Henry for that exact reason.
>
> I won't buy from Henry because his guitars are overpriced by a factor of
> about 10. He's the kind of guy that sells water during a drought for 50
> bucks a bottle.
Henry Gibson?
S.
> On 2012-08-19 12:43:21 +0000, Charlie X said:
>
>> Well..yes..pretty much 'they all'
>> Im not aware of any moderate repubs...
>
> They are the ones being called RINO in order to shame them into being
> parrots.
>
>> I would never buy from Henry for that exact reason.
>
> I won't buy from Henry because his guitars are overpriced by a factor of
> about 10. He's the kind of guy that sells water during a drought for 50
> bucks a bottle.
Henry Gibson?
S.
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:48:17 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 2:31 PM, Mr Maj6th wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 19, 12:06 pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>>> On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>>>
>>>> How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>>
>> I'm wondering the same thing
>>
>> (scratching head)
>
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
> question.
>
> Maj6th
>
You vant mebbe a tissue semple?
Steve
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:58:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim <tsch...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 19, 12:06 pm, TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:52:22 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>>>> On 2012-08-19 16:19:12 +0000, rakman said:
>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>>>
>>>>>> selling you one?
>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering ...
>>>
>>>>> don't care whether he's a right winger, left back or midfielder.
>>>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:11:29 AM UTC+1, Charlie X wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> You guys care about the person making your guitar? Or..for that matter,
>>>
>>>>>> selling you one?
>>>
>>>>>> Just wondering ...
>>>
>>>
>>>> How about a murderer, child-abuser or wife-beater?
>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>> Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>>>
>>> Gee, why the need to ask that?
>>>> --
>>>
>>>> Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
>>>
>>
>> I'm wondering the same thing
>>
>> (scratching head)
>
> I believe the point was; where (and why) do you draw the line; a valid
> question.
>
> Maj6th
>
You vant mebbe a tissue semple?
Steve
Steven Bornfeld
Aug 21, 2012, 2:49:37 PM8/21/12
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On 8/19/2012 5:22 PM, TD wrote:
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:20:31 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>> On 2012-08-19 21:04:46 +0000, thomas said:
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>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:31:08 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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>>>> I don't buy Chinese
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>>>> products, when I can avoid it, for many pro-American and
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>>>> anti-Republican reasons. Guitars fit in there really easily for me.
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>>> Where do you come down on Mississippi-made Peaveys? Them old boys make
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>>> some damn fine guitars.
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>> It's a funny piece of business: Do I want a produce made by frightened
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>> low-paid over-worked folk in the back country of China, or the
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>> chaw-and-spit piney woods of the south? Tough choice.
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Save the liver!
Julia Child
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:20:31 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
>> On 2012-08-19 21:04:46 +0000, thomas said:
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>>> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:31:08 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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>>>>
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>>>> I don't buy Chinese
>>
>>>> products, when I can avoid it, for many pro-American and
>>
>>>> anti-Republican reasons. Guitars fit in there really easily for me.
>>
>>>
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>>> Where do you come down on Mississippi-made Peaveys? Them old boys make
>>
>>> some damn fine guitars.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a funny piece of business: Do I want a produce made by frightened
>>
>> low-paid over-worked folk in the back country of China, or the
>>
>> chaw-and-spit piney woods of the south? Tough choice.
>>
>> --
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>> Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
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> Consider the moonshine. Some real good shit down there.
>> --
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>> Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden
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>
Save the liver!
Julia Child
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