A new record for me
Frets
for the next year.
Frets
tomb...@jhu.edu
Unless a singer sits in.
Frets
singers who sit in and call "Send In The Clowns." There should be some
sort of Federal law against that.
Frets
Max Leggett
wrote:
>Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night. That will do it
>for the next year.
Some students of my sister's [string quartet + opera singer] wanted to
do a jazz piece for a student recital. So they - prolly the singer,
actually - chose Valentine. They get a lead sheet from somewhere, but
they think the middle 8 is lame: it is, too, on that sheet. So little
sister asks her big brother if he can come up with better changes on
the bridge. Shuwah! So I just do a Eb Fmin7 Gmin7 line and Sis loves
it. So I pull out Miles' version, and hear that he plays Cmin Dmin7b5
G7 over the opening bars, rather than the overplayed Cmin Cmin maj7
Cmin7 on the chart. So I slap that in, too. Students don't like it.
"Not jazzy enough." Sister expostulates that these are Miles' changes.
They are adamant, although they do prefer the bridge I gave them. At
recital, opera singer can't sing the melody [one of the prettiest
written] straight. She has to "phrase" it to show her jazz bona fides.
Of which she has nada, natch. That's why she sings opera. D'ah. So
she sings it, "Myfunny [rushed] ...... [looong pause] ..... valentine
[rushed]," and generally butchers heretofore referenced lovely melody.
Plus they [the cellist, acksherly] insisted on Cmin Cmin maj7 Cmin7 so
they could, in turn, display their ability to funk with the brothers.
There ain't, allow me to assure you, no stinkin justice.
----------------------------------------------------------
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while we played guitar, they would have given us
rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
time dimension where the music of the spheres
consisted of Kenny G."
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Keith Freeman
> recital, opera singer can't sing the melody [one of the prettiest
> written] straight. She has to "phrase" it to show her jazz bona fides.
-Keith
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Johnny B Jesus
wrote:
>Didn't think about that, your right. I have nightmares about the chick
>singers who sit in and call "Send In The Clowns." There should be some
>sort of Federal law against that.
How about "Tomorrow"?
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Gerry
<fr...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Didn't think about that, your right. I have nightmares about the chick
> singers who sit in and call "Send In The Clowns." There should be some
> sort of Federal law against that.
Better that than the Roberta Flack clones...
--
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-- Sodo
Paul Sawyer
> > Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night. That will do
> it
> > for the next year.
> Unless a singer sits in.
>
Q - How many female vocalists does it take to sing "My Funny Valentine"?
A - Apparently all of them.
Frets
Frets
Max Leggett
LOL!
Q. What's the difference between an opera singer and a pit bull?
A. Jewellery.
Norm K
valentine [rushed]" ...
Sounds like she trained at the William Shatner School of Voice.
Norm
Chesterave
It gets worse when they insist on the Maria Carey gestures and the
seizure-like sixteenth note embellishments.
Finally you just have to ask "Do you know anything in The Real Book"?
That tends to stop more than a few of them.
Bob
Unknown
wrote:
>Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night. That will do it
>for the next year.
>
>Frets
Q: How many jazz singers does it take to sing "My Funny Valentine?"
A: All of them
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Kevin Van Sant
>Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night.
Why??
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dgtr
guy comes up in the third set, who'd been there all night, and says, "Do you
know My Funny Valentine?" My wife hates the misogynist lyrics.
Also, for jazzish stuff, sang and played:
For Sentimental Reasons
Impanema
Something Stupid
L.O.V.E.
Beyond The Sea
Fly Me To The Moon
Just The Way You Are
Dave
Tom Walls
kvan...@pobox.com says...
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:23:47 -0800, Frets <fr...@dslextreme.com>
> wrote in message <1114fhi...@corp.supernews.com> :
>
> >Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night.
>
> Why??
>
Repeated requests on Valentine's Day? Just a wild guess.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <cuvnjf$gc1$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu> :
>In article <tgn611d4qcggdqgve...@4ax.com>,
>kvan...@pobox.com says...
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:23:47 -0800, Frets <fr...@dslextreme.com>
>> wrote in message <1114fhi...@corp.supernews.com> :
>>
>> >Played "My Funny Valentine" five damn times last night.
>>
>> Why??
>>
>
>Repeated requests on Valentine's Day? Just a wild guess.
Just because it's requested five times doesn't mean you have to play
it five times! I hope those request were submitted on increasingly
larger denominations of currency.
Here's a tip. Don't play Funny Valentine until your last song of the
night. Every time it's requested you can say, "it's coming up, stick
around" You'll only have to play it once, and you might even enjoy
it.
Frets
Frets
Frets
coupled with a five dollar bill you somehow succumb to your avarice
instincts. It was more an observation than a complaint.
Frets
Lumpy
Did you play it straight? At that agonizingly
slow tempo of, what is it mm=40?
I feel like I want to go out for a beer
between beats when it's done at that
root canal tempo.
Swing it up a bit and I can tolerate it
a little better.
Lumpy
--
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Frets
I feel the same way. I was thinking one more time and I can rotate my
tires.
Frets
Kurt Shapiro
quartal harmony. It makes it a little more tolerable. I'll have to upload
it to my site for demonstration.
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Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <111735f...@corp.supernews.com> :
>I know I didn't "have" to play it but when you see the sincere look
>coupled with a five dollar bill you somehow succumb to your avarice
>instincts. It was more an observation than a complaint.
I actually like the song and enjoy playing it... once on any given gig
;) It would take a lot more than 5 bucks to succumb to playing ANY
song five times a night. I mean, hopefully we are respected artists,
not trained monkeys. Or if that's just an illusion it's one I'd like
to maintain :)
dgtr
stay. That might suggest a woman. "Figure less than Greek". Usually,
the word figure suggests a woman. I guess it's not misogynist-just a list
of faults. The lyrics piss her off-the kind of, "you're fat, but I love
you" thing.
Johnny B Jesus
. The lyrics piss her off-the kind of, "you're fat, but I love
>you" thing.
Well, it's a hell of a lot better than the "Too Fat Polka".
"I don't want her,
you can have her,
She's too fat for me...."
+
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you want and let the public pick up on what you're doing even if it does take
them fifteen, twenty years." - Thelonious Monk
Max Leggett
>Well, we do know it's a "little" valentine that the narrator wants to
>stay. That might suggest a woman.
Where does that put the Dinah Washington song, "Shorty"? That is most
assuredly NOT about a woman. What's inherently feminine about
"little"? Jane Spanton of fond memory was 6'2" if she was an inch and
she was feminine as hell. I'm a towering 5'9". Does that make her a
misogynist?
> "Figure less than Greek". Usually,
>the word figure suggests a woman.
Yeah, and the Greeks thought that boys and men were just fine as sex
objects and playthings. Figure less than Greek? Doesn't look like
David but you'd still like to bum him.
> I guess it's not misogynist
Nothing of the sort - that's why women singers like it so much -
gender neutral.
How about SRV's Pride and Joy? "She's my baby and I'm her little lover
boy". Is that misogynist? It says "little". I smell unrepentant PC.
Frets
experience that my status as a respected artist is only as good as my
last eight bars and the owner's whim.
Let me see if I've got this straight; If you were playing on Valentine's
day and more than one customer asked for the song, you would tell them
you refuse to play it? Exactly how much would it take for you to play
it five times. You said it would take "a lot more." So we're not
really different, you're just a higher priced whore. But I'm probably
playing more.
Fret
dgtr
Max Leggett
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>I'll give my wife your post. Maybe she'll sing it to me tonight. In my
>case, it's all true.
Well, when I broke up with Jane she called me a "little jerk." I
shoulda called her a misogynist. That woulda settled her hash. :-)
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>I'll give my wife your post. Maybe she'll sing it to <i>me</i> tonight.
>In my case, it's all true.
><p>Max Leggett wrote:
><blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:20:21 GMT, dgtr <dg...@snet.net>
>wrote:
><p>>Well, we do know it's a "little" valentine that the narrator wants
>to
><br>>stay. That might suggest a woman.
><p>Where does that put the Dinah Washington song, "Shorty"? That is most
><br>assuredly NOT about a woman. What's inherently feminine about
><br>"little"? Jane Spanton of fond memory was 6'2" if she was an inch and
><br>she was feminine as hell. I'm a towering 5'9". Does that make her a
><br>misogynist?
><p>> "Figure less than Greek". Usually,
><br>>the word figure suggests a woman.
><p>Yeah, and the Greeks thought that boys and men were just fine as sex
><br>objects and playthings. Figure less than Greek? Doesn't look like
><br>David but you'd still like to bum him.
><p>> I guess it's not misogynist
><p>Nothing of the sort - that's why women singers like it so much -
><br>gender neutral.
><p>How about SRV's Pride and Joy? "She's my baby and I'm her little lover
><br>boy". Is that misogynist? It says "little". I smell unrepentant PC.
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><br>while we played guitar, they would have given us
><br>rubber bands rather than vertebrae. And then where
><br>would humanity be? Propelling cornflakes box
><br>submarines in some alien bathtub in an ungodly
><br>time dimension where the music of the spheres
><br>consisted of Kenny G."
><br> Friedrich Nietzsche
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>
> I'll give my wife your post. Maybe she'll sing it to me tonight. In my
> case, it's all true.
>
>
>
can't imagine speaking those words to a woman unless I was attempting to
crush her ego. Lovely melody.
Don Judy
"She keeps me warm in the winter...
Shady in the summertime
That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine
And when I see the landlord
So much of her to hide behind
That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine"
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Don Judy
there to spice things up. Or just play the whole Chaconne and tell em it's
MFV. And if you play that 5 times in a night you have definitely set some
sort of record.
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KevinW
> "Fat Gal"
>
> "She keeps me warm in the winter...
> Shady in the summertime
> That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine
> And when I see the landlord
> So much of her to hide behind
> That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine"
>
Always marry an ugly girl,
She will treat you fine.
She will never leave you,
If she does, you won't mind.
KevinW
thom_j.
>
>> "Fat Gal"
>>
>> "She keeps me warm in the winter...
>> Shady in the summertime
>> That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine
>> And when I see the landlord
>> So much of her to hide behind
>> That's what I like about that Fat Gal of mine"
>>
> Always marry an ugly girl,
> She will treat you fine.
> She will never leave you,
> If she does, you won't mind.
> KevinW
curious tee'...
dgtr
it basically between the 3rd and 6th frets. Then I downloaded the lyrics and
started singing it. At first, she thought it was romantic, but after hearing
"unphotographable" and "laughable" about 50 times, her opinion changed!
Kevin Van Sant
wrote in message <1117h3k...@corp.supernews.com> :
>Kevin Van Sant wrote:
>> I actually like the song and enjoy playing it... once on any given gig
>> ;) It would take a lot more than 5 bucks to succumb to playing ANY
>> song five times a night. I mean, hopefully we are respected artists,
>> not trained monkeys. Or if that's just an illusion it's one I'd like
>> to maintain :)
>I don't know where you work at Kevin but it's been my 40 years playing
>experience that my status as a respected artist is only as good as my
>last eight bars and the owner's whim.
>
>Let me see if I've got this straight; If you were playing on Valentine's
>day and more than one customer asked for the song, you would tell them
>you refuse to play it? Exactly how much would it take for you to play
>it five times. You said it would take "a lot more." So we're not
>really different, you're just a higher priced whore. But I'm probably
>playing more.
As I alluded to earlier, my status as a respected artist is really
just about my own mindset. It has nothing to do with what anyone else
thinks, I can't control that, but for my own state of mind I like to
believe that I am a working artist when I'm playing a gig. I didn't
want to say it, but since you brought it up then yes, playing annoying
requests, whether they be songs which are outside of the realm of MY
music or the multiple repeats of the same song, every time someone
flashes a couple of bucks feels like whoring. For my own frame of
mind, I choose not to go there. It's one of many compromises I'm not
willing to make. I don't know how much it would take because so far
no one has offered me enough. It's perfectly ok to decline a request
btw, there are all sorts of ways to handle it gracefully. I already
offered a tip for Valentine's day, maybe you missed it. Just wait
until the last song to play funny valentine. That way everyone who
requested it is rewarded for sticking around and you can play it just
once.
Frets
hours to hear a song is unreasonable. Sometimes I hate pandering too
but I feel it is part of the job I'm being paid to do.
Thanks for the reply Kevin.
Frets
Lumpy
> ... asking someone to remain in a busy restaurant
> for four hours to hear a song is unreasonable.
> Sometimes I hate pandering too but I feel it
> is part of the job I'm being paid to do.
Does that make you an
Artist or a Craftsman?
Lumpy
--
In Your Ears for 40 Years
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Frets
Frets
Gerry
<fr...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> I'm a craftsman who would love to be an artist.
What would you be doing differently if you were an artist, to
distinguish it from what you're currently doing?
--
The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who
are undecided.
-- Casey Stengel
Frets
Frets
Gerry
<fr...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> > What would you be doing differently if you were an artist, to
> > distinguish it from what you're currently doing?
> >
> I would be playing on the level of Joe Pass.
You're an artist. You're not as good as Joe Pass, but you're certainly
playing "on the level" of Joe Pass.
--
Frets
know about the damn guitar, the more I find out what I don't know.
Frets
Frets
be corrected, and I'll probably get boils, all because I dare to state
an opinion.
I have had many opportunities to work with artists in the past, at one
point I was an art director for several years. Let me take a watercolor
painter as an example. I found two "major" types. (I know there are
sub-groups but I'm not going to qualify every statement I make.) The
first will take a blank watercolor sheet, lightly sketch the scene, and
wet on wet, or dry, start to paint. What comes out of a true artist is
pure magic. In a lot of cases you have to step back several feet and
everything snaps in focus. It is a perfect representation of the scene
the artist sees and what he choose to convey. There were no limitations
on him. Close up you may see only color. The artist wasn't painting
from twelve feet back but somehow he had artistic vision that can't be
taught. The other camp takes a photo, blows it up, lightly sketches
every detail, decides on the time of day, the color scheme, and
methodically paints the picture. It's a great picture, it has
everything, I would put it over my couch, but it is manipulated,
contrived, and formalistic. I consider it craft not art.
To me the second camp is the craftsman and the first is the artist. Joe
Pass (among others) was in the first group. You listen to him and you
say to yourself, "where the hell did that come from?" Other guitarist
play by using a formula. I can hear it, I "know" the formulas but I
refuse to use them. Now both guitarists need to know the color wheel,
perspective, brushes, and all their materials, but after that there is a
magical something that separates the artist from the craftsman. I think
that a guitarist should draw totally from the color wheel (harmony) but
when they start using rules on how to mix the primary and secondary
colors it ceases to be art and becomes craft, and craft isn't bad. I
also believe that a musician can go from one level to the other but it
is also very rare. I think that the first time Oscar Peterson sat at a
piano he had "something" that most pianists will never have. On a
personnel level I am in the second group and I am fine with that. I
have certainly worked hard to get there and I am constantly striving to
reach that the first group. I think that goal (although unachieved) has
made me a very fine craftsman and I am proud of that.
Frets
Frets
Gerry
<fr...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Thank you for that but I still consider myself a craftsman. The more I
> know about the damn guitar, the more I find out what I don't know.
Exactly what Joe Pass use to say!
Gerry
<fr...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
You have a very personal, highly specific and exacting definition of
what an "artist" is. I don't find that anywhere in the dictionary, but
you're more than free to define the word to accomodate any needs you
may have, and are free to change it at any time in the future. Yes,
it's totally semantics.
For me an artist is somebody who produces art. It's a much easier
definition, and it doesn't operate on an exclusionary basis. Some
artists produce art I don't care for, but other folks will pay
thousands of dollars for.
Still other artists produce art that others consider "wallpaper", aural
and visual, and as such is unremarkable and uninteresting. Maybe they
play in cafe's and beer joints and nobody notices--but I think some of
it is fabulous. Going strictly on numbers it must not be art--none of
diners or skirt-chasers have thus qualified it.
A lot of folks hear Django and think it sounds "corny". Taste is
taste. I try to make use of definitions that don't blow with the
breezes of unending shifts in taste.
--
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immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people.
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