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charles robinson

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Apr 9, 2010, 5:37:28 PM4/9/10
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Someone was just asking about this. Here is someone (Giant Steps again) who
has gone that route. He really has courage as he is using the middle
position on the pickup selector. It's not a tone that I prefer but you have
to admit that he doesn't sound like anyone else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DFR1apw8s
Charlie


pmfan57

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Apr 9, 2010, 5:55:59 PM4/9/10
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On Apr 9, 5:37 pm, "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net>
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Even these rockabilly guys can nail Giant Steps now.

icarusi

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Apr 9, 2010, 7:01:44 PM4/9/10
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"pmfan57" <jwra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>Even these rockabilly guys can nail Giant Steps now.<<

Same guy on a jazzbox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTtclulhsQU

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Carl

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Apr 9, 2010, 7:40:10 PM4/9/10
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With all due respect to your feeling about this, with some jazz artists
playing jazz on Telecasters and 335s, at least one of the guitarists in the
Paul Shaffer Band (Letterman) using a Gibson Les Paul Jr., and the ongoing
debate about the tonal righteousness of laminates vs solid woods, I would
think this implication of there being a "right" guitar or pickup position
for jazz would have been dealt a death blow by now.

The fact is, the guy played that tune pretty well. If I could play it like
that, I would be glad to use a Harmony Stella to do so. ;-)


Mr.Will

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Apr 9, 2010, 7:48:11 PM4/9/10
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"charles robinson" <robins...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Wasn't Les Paul a jazz player, and the whole idea of him creating that
guitar was to play jazz on, amplified but without the feedback? I always
thought Id seen documentaries where he said that, but I could be wrong.

Sounds like jazz on this video to me anyways!

Mr.Will


pmfan57

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Apr 9, 2010, 11:07:51 PM4/9/10
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On Apr 9, 7:48 pm, "Mr.Will" <w...@mr-will.co.uk> wrote:
> "charles robinson" <robinsonch...@comcast.net> wrote in message

Yes and a country player as well. He passed along the Django
influence to country and, in morphed form, into rock.

icarusi

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Apr 10, 2010, 7:10:12 PM4/10/10
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"Mr.Will" <wi...@mr-will.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sounds like jazz on this video to me anyways!

If you study with Kenny Burrell and Jimmy Wyble, like McLennan, then it's
likely to.

rpjazzguitar

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Apr 10, 2010, 9:21:51 PM4/10/10
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Steve Erquiaga, a great player in more than one style (jazz included)
plays jazz on a Les Paul.

terra...@gmail.com

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Apr 11, 2010, 8:36:02 AM4/11/10
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On Apr 11, 3:21 am, rpjazzguitar <rpjazzgui...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Erquiaga, a great player in more than one style (jazz included)
> plays jazz on a Les Paul.

Same here, not Jazz, but the tone is right :

Luis Salinas :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f76JGCG_WU&feature=related

charles robinson

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Apr 12, 2010, 1:58:47 PM4/12/10
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"Carl" <crot...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, he played a nice solo!
Charlie


Derek

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Apr 12, 2010, 2:29:34 PM4/12/10
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Don't forget Clint Strong. He plays some pretty impressive jazz on an
LP.

lukejazz

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Apr 12, 2010, 4:59:55 PM4/12/10
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On Apr 11, 7:36 am, "terrasbe...@gmail.com" <terrasbe...@gmail.com>
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wow pretty sweet tone and playing

Graham

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Apr 13, 2010, 7:11:26 AM4/13/10
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My main guitar is a 175, but when the kids are in bed I play on my old
solid guitar from my rock days (Ibanez Artist) through a headphone amp
to keep the noise down. To my ears when playing it, the Ibanez sounds
a little brighter with more sustain than the 175. I use the same
strings and very similar tone/pickup settings on both guitars.

I recently got a digital recorder and when I tried it out the first
time I recorded the Ibanez (only because it was late at night). When
I played the recording back it sounded so similar to my 175 that I
would have been hard pressed to tell the difference.

So I think jazz on a Les Paul could sound perfectly ok.

I might do a youtube video with the Ibanez sometime for a comparison
with my 175.


Graham

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Carl

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Apr 13, 2010, 8:51:22 AM4/13/10
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Graham wrote:
> My main guitar is a 175, but when the kids are in bed I play on my old
> solid guitar from my rock days (Ibanez Artist) through a headphone amp
> to keep the noise down. To my ears when playing it, the Ibanez sounds
> a little brighter with more sustain than the 175. I use the same
> strings and very similar tone/pickup settings on both guitars.
>
> I recently got a digital recorder and when I tried it out the first
> time I recorded the Ibanez (only because it was late at night). When
> I played the recording back it sounded so similar to my 175 that I
> would have been hard pressed to tell the difference.
>
> So I think jazz on a Les Paul could sound perfectly ok.
>
>
I think Les Paul thought that jazz on a Les Paul was ok... ;-)

Wasn't Les considered to be mainly a jazz guitarist, if you had to label
him???


ric...@gmail.com

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Apr 13, 2010, 9:22:06 AM4/13/10
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Does Jim Hall count? :-)

In the movie "A Life In Progress" there is a clip of Jim Hall playing
with the Chico Hamilton group and he is playing a black Les Paul.

...richie

Graham

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Apr 13, 2010, 10:35:04 AM4/13/10
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Yes so presumably it was intended as a jazz guitar anyway.

I'm not sure what Les thought about it becoming the feedback/
distortion-ridden axe of choice of the rock gods!

Bob Russell

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Apr 13, 2010, 10:41:51 AM4/13/10
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On Apr 13, 10:35 am, Graham <graham...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes so presumably it was intended as a jazz guitar anyway.
>
> I'm not sure what Les thought about it becoming the feedback/
> distortion-ridden axe of choice of the rock gods!
>
I think it was something like "ka-CHING".

pmfan57

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Apr 13, 2010, 10:50:58 AM4/13/10
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And I think he was using distortion, among many other effects, before
rock used it much. He tried everything. He also invented those crazy
pull off runs that Page and Beck used all the time (he was buds with
both those guys as well).

ScotGormley

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Apr 13, 2010, 10:01:34 PM4/13/10
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But Jim said that he sold the Les Paul because it "felt awful cold"
and he couldn't play rhythm on it (he likes to turn down and use more
of an acoustic sound for rhythm playing). I remember this from an old
Guitar Player interview that I probably read 50 times or more.

charles robinson

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Apr 14, 2010, 5:07:43 AM4/14/10
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You are right, I remember one article in which he said that he bought it
for one gig, a club that had boomy acoustics, and sold it shortly afterwars.
He just happened to have it when they took a picture of him for an album
cover so everyone assumed that he played it a lot. As far as the movie is
concerned wasn't the guitar player Paul Newman who pantomimed Jim Halls
parts with the Chico Hamilton group?
Charlie


Graham

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Apr 14, 2010, 7:36:58 AM4/14/10
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I think Ulf Wakenius plays a solid body guitar which is either a Les
Paul or something very similar.

Graham

Greger Hoel

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Apr 14, 2010, 8:13:57 AM4/14/10
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På Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:36:58 +0200, skrev Graham <grah...@hotmail.co.uk>:

> I think Ulf Wakenius plays a solid body guitar which is either a Les
> Paul or something very similar.

He plays a cheapo Tokai Les Paul with a bolt on neck.

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Tim McNamara

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Apr 14, 2010, 8:46:20 AM4/14/10
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In article <op.va5ixjykhywuuo@meanmachine>,
"Greger Hoel" <gre...@blowme.com> wrote:

> P� Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:36:58 +0200, skrev Graham

> <grah...@hotmail.co.uk>:
>
> > I think Ulf Wakenius plays a solid body guitar which is either a
> > Les Paul or something very similar.
>
> He plays a cheapo Tokai Les Paul with a bolt on neck.

Jeez. It is just so *not* about the guitar. I could spend ten times as
much on an axe and sound 1/10th as good.

Graham

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Apr 14, 2010, 11:14:52 AM4/14/10
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Tim I totally agree with you - that's really what I was getting at,
i.e. Ulf would sound great on anything so a Les Paul is just as good
as anything else really.

When Dick did the Gibson blindfold test I didn't bother because I
could hardly tell them apart. The sound they all made was him.

Graham

Greger Hoel

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Apr 14, 2010, 5:07:57 PM4/14/10
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På Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:46:20 +0200, skrev Tim McNamara
<tim...@bitstream.net>:

> Jeez. It is just so *not* about the guitar. I could spend ten times as
> much on an axe and sound 1/10th as good.

Well, I wouldn't necessarily consider Tokais inferior to genuine
Pauls---Robert Fripp favours Tokai Les Pauls over the genuine article.

charles robinson

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Apr 14, 2010, 5:24:46 PM4/14/10
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"charles robinson" <robins...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Sorry, different movie---but the part about the use of the Les Paul remains.

Charlie


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