I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and delay before the preamp, generally.
Several companies offer external effects loops--would this be a good solution? For example, the Xotic Blender can be used as an external effects loop and allows a mix of wet and dry signals, processed separately, to feed a preamp. Also, T Rex has a reverb pedal that includes an external effects loop.
Any experience with either of the above pedals, or any other suggestions?
On Nov 11, 12:41 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > delay before the preamp, generally.
> Several companies offer external effects loops--would this be a good > solution? For example, the Xotic Blender can be used as an external > effects loop and allows a mix of wet and dry signals, processed > separately, to feed a preamp. Also, T Rex has a reverb pedal that > includes an external effects loop.
> Any experience with either of the above pedals, or any other > suggestions?
> Thanks, > Scot
the only reason to use time based effect in a loop is if you are generating distortion in the amp. Most amps that do not have loops do not generate significant overdrive in the amp so running those effects in front works fine.
> On Nov 11, 12:41 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > > delay before the preamp, generally.
> > Several companies offer external effects loops--would this be a good > > solution? For example, the Xotic Blender can be used as an external > > effects loop and allows a mix of wet and dry signals, processed > > separately, to feed a preamp. Also, T Rex has a reverb pedal that > > includes an external effects loop.
> > Any experience with either of the above pedals, or any other > > suggestions?
> > Thanks, > > Scot
> the only reason to use time based effect in a loop is if you are > generating distortion in the amp. Most amps that do not have loops do > not generate significant overdrive in the amp so running those effects > in front works fine.
Jack, the main amp I'm referring to is a Fargen Mini Plex Mk. II, so it's a hardcore distortion machine, It has no reverb and no effects loop. The amp sounds great; I just want to add some very subtle ambient effects.
> On Nov 11, 10:30 am, sheetsofsound <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 12:41 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > > > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > > > delay before the preamp, generally.
> > > Several companies offer external effects loops--would this be a good > > > solution? For example, the Xotic Blender can be used as an external > > > effects loop and allows a mix of wet and dry signals, processed > > > separately, to feed a preamp. Also, T Rex has a reverb pedal that > > > includes an external effects loop.
> > > Any experience with either of the above pedals, or any other > > > suggestions?
> > > Thanks, > > > Scot
> > the only reason to use time based effect in a loop is if you are > > generating distortion in the amp. Most amps that do not have loops do > > not generate significant overdrive in the amp so running those effects > > in front works fine.
> Jack, the main amp I'm referring to is a Fargen Mini Plex Mk. II, so > it's a hardcore distortion machine, It has no reverb and no effects > loop. The amp sounds great; I just want to add some very subtle > ambient effects.
an external loop is not going to help you. The problem is that time based effects need to be *AFTER* the generated distortion. The only thing that'll help you is to add time based effects between the power amp and the speaker which is a pretty tough problem. Another option would be to add a 2nd small amp like a roland cube something-or-other and use it as a "wet" amp for the reverb and delay. That works pretty well. You could get the amp modified to add an effect loop but on an EL84 based amp, you're probably getting power tube overdrive so the effect loop will not solve the problem.
> On Nov 11, 6:29 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 10:30 am, sheetsofsound <jackzuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 11, 12:41 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > > > > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > > > > delay before the preamp, generally.
> > > > Several companies offer external effects loops--would this be a good > > > > solution? For example, the Xotic Blender can be used as an external > > > > effects loop and allows a mix of wet and dry signals, processed > > > > separately, to feed a preamp. Also, T Rex has a reverb pedal that > > > > includes an external effects loop.
> > > > Any experience with either of the above pedals, or any other > > > > suggestions?
> > > > Thanks, > > > > Scot
> > > the only reason to use time based effect in a loop is if you are > > > generating distortion in the amp. Most amps that do not have loops do > > > not generate significant overdrive in the amp so running those effects > > > in front works fine.
> > Jack, the main amp I'm referring to is a Fargen Mini Plex Mk. II, so > > it's a hardcore distortion machine, It has no reverb and no effects > > loop. The amp sounds great; I just want to add some very subtle > > ambient effects.
> an external loop is not going to help you. The problem is that time > based effects need to be *AFTER* the generated distortion. The only > thing that'll help you is to add time based effects between the power > amp and the speaker which is a pretty tough problem. Another option > would be to add a 2nd small amp like a roland cube something-or-other > and use it as a "wet" amp for the reverb and delay. That works pretty > well. You could get the amp modified to add an effect loop but on an > EL84 based amp, you're probably getting power tube overdrive so the > effect loop will not solve the problem.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks, Jack. I've tried using a mic on the Fargen and running that sound through my JazzAmp, with reverb and delay added after the mic. It seems to work okay, but it's cumbersome.
In article <5ee84e4e-d586-4ca2-b546-eaf3f3644...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > delay before the preamp, generally.
I realize this is a bit of topic drift, but what's the difference that you hear? I've never had amps with effects loops to compare.
On Nov 11, 9:38 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article > <5ee84e4e-d586-4ca2-b546-eaf3f3644...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I have several amps without effects loops, and I would like to add > > reverb and delay to my sound. I do not like the sound of reverb and > > delay before the preamp, generally.
> I realize this is a bit of topic drift, but what's the difference that > you hear? I've never had amps with effects loops to compare.
Well, as Jack mentioned, it's only really an issue when using a high gain sound, but here's what happens: the original signal hits the delay, then all those repeats go into the preamp. So instead of echoing a distortion sound, the repeats get distortion added. It really makes the tone detoriate, and usually the time-based effect is too pronounced.
Some players feel that even effects loops cause the signal to degrade, and that's why John Suhr makes a mixer for use in effects loops.
That's why a lot of players, like Larry Carlton with his Dumble amp, only add effects in the mix. He uses a mic, and send his dry amp's sound through a mixer. He has a small PA just for his effects and uses two PA speakers on each side of his regular guitar speaker. I'm hoping that maybe, with all the new technology out there, there might be less cumbersome solution.
If you check out Scott Henderson's discussion board (it's really voluminous), he talks about issues like this in extreme detail.
by the way, supposedly the empress vintage super delay is the king of all echos, surpassing the skreddy. I'm currently using an eventide timefactor but looking forward to trying the empress.
On Nov 11, 9:37 pm, ScotGormley <scot.gorm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Jack. I've tried using a mic on the Fargen and running that > sound through my JazzAmp, with reverb and delay added after the mic. > It seems to work okay, but it's cumbersome.
Try just running in parallel with both amps and using the jazzamp as the "wet" amp. IMO, that's the way to go.
sheetsofsound wrote: >by the way, supposedly the empress vintage super delay is the king of >all echos, surpassing the skreddy. I'm currently using an eventide >timefactor but looking forward to trying the empress.
I have been using the Timefactor ever since you and I discussed various delays on TGP.
I have been very happy with it. The only thing I have yet to figure out is how to get the dotted eight note thing going.
On Nov 12, 10:04 am, Derek <de...@ycoaoffice.com> wrote:
> sheetsofsound wrote: > >by the way, supposedly the empress vintage super delay is the king of > >all echos, surpassing the skreddy. I'm currently using an eventide > >timefactor but looking forward to trying the empress.
> I have been using the Timefactor ever since you and I discussed > various delays on TGP.
> I have been very happy with it. The only thing I have yet to figure > out is how to get the dotted eight note thing going.
> Suggestions?
no, never tried that but make sure you grab the latest beta update. It's outstanding.
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