Dom Minasi...
Richard
archives.I had a listen to "Takin' the Duke Out" and "Goin Out Again"
today and was so bored I had to skip fwd thru tracks. To my ears Dom
is incredibly one-sided in his playing. Critics seem to be falling
over themselves in their praise for his records - something that
always sets my alarm bells ringing.
To me Dom lacks rhythmic flair, a sense of development and has a
shallow well of dynamics and timbre. In this style of music I find the
use of dynamics, timbre, silence, etc to be extra-important. I found
the records, especially the duke record to be predicatable and
unimaginative generally, ESPECIALLY when compared with Dolphy! (Dom is
being compared to Dolphy by many critics)
Anyway, putting my opinions aside, anyone have some other
substantiated views on Dom?
Richard
Widebeat
I think that his harmonies , choice of chords, is uncommon and his phrasing
uses interesting rhythms. His playing is free of academic, institutionalized,
play-by-numbers scale choices and patterns. His playing doesn't sound
tentative,calculated or mathematical. There's a strong forward motion in his
work. I wish the recording quality of "Takin' the Duke Out" was better
though.
Roy
Richard
> I think that his harmonies , choice of chords, is uncommon and his phrasing
> uses interesting rhythms. His playing is free of academic, institutionalized,
> play-by-numbers scale choices and patterns. His playing doesn't sound
> tentative,calculated or mathematical. There's a strong forward motion in his
> work. I wish the recording quality of "Takin' the Duke Out" was better
> though.
Thanks for the reply!
Although I agree that his harmonies etc are uncommon in comparison to
more tonal music, I find that he repeats himself within his bag far
too much. I visited his website and couldn't help noticing that on
almost EVERY entry at his journal page, he mentions how he " Took off
like a rocket and then pushed it even further" or "the band came out
firing, and only went UP from there" etc etc, on and on about the
energy level. I found that this was the unvarying approach with almost
everything...come out at full speed, then take it up a few
notches...boring!
IMO his music could use some tentativeness, and calculation. Like
anything, just a single approach gets tired, especially when u are
working the bag that Minasi is.
Have you heard Dom's 70's Blue-Note releases? What bag are they in?
Dom sounds like he really would struggle to cut more conventional
fare, but I may be wrong!
Richard
pmfan57
His Blue Note albums were not very good. Also, a bass player friend
of mine used him in a duo setting in the Eighties and Dom was awful!
Really exquisitely bad. I haven't heard the new stuff but I imagine
it's on the same low level.
Widebeat
What's good, what's not, WHY not? Like him or not, Minasi is one of the few
original jazz guitarists currently recording. He can't be blamed for being
mediocre.
Peace,
Roy
Paul Sanwald
>What's good, what's not, WHY not? Like him or not, Minasi is one of the few
>original jazz guitarists currently recording.
that's a pretty silly statement. there are plenty of original
guitarists recording. maybe not for blue note or whatever, but
nevertheless there are plenty. I'll spare you a long list of names.
--paul
Steve Grenadier
beginner.
Steve
Peter Grey
So Steve, why did you buy two albums? Were you hoping that he'd get better? ;)
Peter
Steve Grenadier
wasn't really fooled twice.
Also, if you read Jim Hall's quote carefully, it could also be
interpreted as he is happy Dom is leaving NY....
Steve
Tom Walls
> This thread motivated me to hit his web site and listen to a couple of his tracks. I thought he was absolutely awful
> but I noticed the (apparently complimentary) quote from Jim Hall. Maybe he's doing something I'm not hearing...?
I thought the clip I listened to was kind of interesting. I didn't think
he sounded like a beginner. I thought he was going for something
original. But I'm not buying the cds.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Joe Finn
> His Blue Note albums were not very good. Also, a bass player friend
> of mine used him in a duo setting in the Eighties and Dom was awful!
> Really exquisitely bad. I haven't heard the new stuff but I imagine
> it's on the same low level.
I think Dom's new stuff is great. He's onto something fresh. ......joe
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thomas
> I think that his harmonies , choice of chords, is uncommon and his phrasing
> uses interesting rhythms.
I'm having a hard time hearing harmonies or chord selections in this
piece. It sounds to me like he's approaching it mostly as a free-form
textural thing and not really thinking much about harmonic choices.
In the places that do sound like deliberately-conceived harmonies
I hear mainly diminished sounds.
I don't know about his phrasing using interesting rhythms. I hear
mainly a lot of shredding. It's hard to phrase at all when you're
shredding. He sounds like a cat who would be a lot more interesting
to my ears if he would try some de-caf and chill out a bit. I like
energy as much as the next guy, but some players fetishize that zone
to the extent that it becomes common-place and ultimately boring.
> His playing is free of academic, institutionalized,
> play-by-numbers scale choices and patterns. His playing doesn't sound
> tentative,calculated or mathematical. There's a strong forward motion in his
> work. I wish the recording quality of "Takin' the Duke Out" was better
> though.
Agreed with all this. He reminds me of Sonny Sharrock without
the fuzz box. I agree with the poster above that his playing on
this particular recording seems a bit one-dimensional, but then this
kind of music is always better live than on record. Clearly the guy
has chops and deserves to be taken seriously.
NDB
about his playing whatsoever. I think it's pathetic that anyone would trash
a guy whose out there, playing, and getting something original out to his
audiences. And I think you'd be surprised that most people who play free
music are usually quite capable of playing standard fare with aplomb. I
recently got ahold of Derek Bailey's "Ballads" CD, and you could have shot
me before I'd hear him playing "Body and Soul" in my lifetime, but there it
is, and believe me, he knows how to play standard harmonic progressions just
fine. Be a little more open-minded!
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Steve Grenadier
Steve
Peter Grey
I'm not trying to get in an argument, but I find it fascinating how people can hear totally different things in a piece of music or in an artist's playing. Can you talk a little bit about why you find it fresh? Do you like it? Do you find his music sophisticated and/or does it appeal from a more basic level?
To me his playing doesn't include any remnant of the original tune nor any tie to it. His playing over Satin Doll seems minimally different than his playing over It Don't Mean a Thing. Even looking at his improvisation on each tune (divorced from the head) as free form, there is little variation in his approach and little to entice me into listening.
I am not trying to say that I am right and you are wrong. I have long since realized that my ears don't easily accept "new" stuff, so I'm interested to know why you find his music appealing.
Regards,
Peter
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Stephan Patterson
wrote:
>"pmfan57" <jwra...@aol.com> wrote >
>> His Blue Note albums were not very good. Also, a bass player friend
>> of mine used him in a duo setting in the Eighties and Dom was awful!
>> Really exquisitely bad. I haven't heard the new stuff but I imagine
>> it's on the same low level.
>
>I think Dom's new stuff is great. He's onto something fresh. ......joe
I listened to "Dumpie" and "Satin Doll" on his web site. The first
couple of minutes of each, to be exact. I think I can say without
exaggerating that he's the worst so-called "pro" jazz guitarist I have
ever heard. It's fresh alright. Most people who are such mediocre
musicians don't make records.
In the last couple of months, I went to pretty much all the sites of
people who contribute to this list and listened to their clips.
Everyone, without exception, is more interesting than Dom Minasi.
Stephan Patterson
Joe Finn
I'm not trying to get in an argument, but I find it fascinating how people can hear totally different things in a piece of music or in an artist's playing. Can you talk a little bit about why you find it fresh? Do you like it? Do you find his music sophisticated and/or does it appeal from a more basic level?
I like the energy, the texture, the high level of his technique. The group has some nice rapport too. I've heard lots of pianists and sax players do the "outside" thing successfully. Dom is one of only a handful of guitarists who can pull it off. He makes it happen. ......joe
Joe Finn
> I listened to "Dumpie" and "Satin Doll" on his web site. The first
> couple of minutes of each, to be exact. I think I can say without
> exaggerating that he's the worst so-called "pro" jazz guitarist I have
> ever heard. It's fresh alright. Most people who are such mediocre
> musicians don't make records.
>
> In the last couple of months, I went to pretty much all the sites of
> people who contribute to this list and listened to their clips.
> Everyone, without exception, is more interesting than Dom Minasi.
>
and others. Yet they always found their audience and seem to have something
valid to contribute as performers. I know the expressionistic, outside stuff
is not for everyone. I think jazz is big enough to embrace this trend.
Paul Sanwald
> >
> I've heard comments like this directed towards Ornette, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra
> and others. Yet they always found their audience and seem to have something
> valid to contribute as performers. I know the expressionistic, outside stuff
> is not for everyone. I think jazz is big enough to embrace this trend.
yeah, but it seems like what most people are expressing is not that
they don't like it becuase it's out or free. everyone's comments I've
read (particularly tom brown's) have been in the context of that
style.
I listened to the mp3's on his site and was pretty ambivalent. it's
interesting, but not anything I want to listen to, although I am in
general a very big avant garde fan.
--paul
Richard
> I've heard comments like this directed towards Ornette, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra
> and others. Yet they always found their audience and seem to have something
> valid to contribute as performers. I know the expressionistic, outside stuff
> is not for everyone. I think jazz is big enough to embrace this trend.
I have no problem with the STYLE that Minasi is working in (which I
made clear from the outset). It is just that I find his playing ( in
this bag ) to be pretty unimaginative and boring.
Another thing which has made me laugh, is when I read about Minasi's
*modernity* and *novelty*. Ha!--this style is almost as old as Bebop!!
I find a lot of Minasi's approach to be dated, and to lack subtlety.
Richard
sgcim
I heard him a long time ago in NY. He'd play a head, do some nice
chord work, and then play the worst single-line shit I ever heard.
Nice chord-work though.
Unknown
>I heard him a long time ago in NY. He'd play a head, do some nice
>chord work, and then play the worst single-line shit I ever heard.
>Nice chord-work though.
Sounds like me, apart from the chord work ......
Tom Lippincott
>made clear from the outset). It is just that I find his playing ( in
>this bag ) to be pretty unimaginative and boring.
>Another thing which has made me laugh, is when I read about Minasi's
>*modernity* and *novelty*. Ha!--this style is almost as old as Bebop!!
>I find a lot of Minasi's approach to be dated, and to lack subtlety.
>
>Richard
I think that's a danger when criticizing "avant garde" or free stuff. People
often automatically assume that the criticism is going to predictably be that
it sounds too weird or like a beginner could do it.
For the record, Richard, I think some of your criticisms are right on the
money, though I liked what I heard. Just not enough to buy it.
Tom Lippincott
Guitarist, Composer, Teacher
audio samples, articles, CD's at:
http://www.tomlippincott.com
Kevin Van Sant
I finally got around to reading some of this thread and became curious
so I checked out some of his clips. My view is that the guy can
definitely play, there is enough evidence of that in bits and pieces
of the clips, so the weird stuff that others have called shredding or
beginner or shit must be an artistic choice he has made. Personally I
don't like listening to it at all but I can't really criticize him for
it because it's not like he can't play more conventionally (or so I
believe) but instead he just hears something different. I respect
that a lot more than the guys who can burn though studied lines but
have got nothing to say, or aren't aspiring to find their own voice.
That's what's great about our music, this is art and art is personal
interpretation and expression. If Dom couldn't demonstrate that he
was capable of playing his instrument, then I wouldn't have much
respect for his artistic choices (which strangely, make it sound to me
like he can't play), but since he does, I do. I don't like it, but I
respect him for it.
_________________________________________
Kevin Van Sant
jazz guitar
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to buy my CDs, listen to sound clips, and get more info.
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Stephan Patterson
wrote:
> If Dom couldn't demonstrate that he
>was capable of playing his instrument, then I wouldn't have much
>respect for his artistic choices (which strangely, make it sound to me
>like he can't play), but since he does, I do.
Kevin,
I think it is purely a question of a being capable guitar player
versus being a good musician. I am one of those who think he sucks, as
a musician. I do not questions his capacity to play chords or solos on
the instrument. As a guitar player, he's not a beginner and claiming
that he is would be ridiculous. But I question his ability and taste
as a musician. In my opinion, what he plays simply is not good or
interesting music. I think a pro should be able to go beyond technical
ability on the instrument and be able to play beautiful music. Dom
Minasi doesn't sound like a pro guitar player to me.
Stephan Patterson
Max Leggett
<stephan....@videotron.ca> wrote:
>that he is would be ridiculous. But I question his ability and taste
>as a musician. In my opinion, what he plays simply is not good or
>interesting music. I think a pro should be able to go beyond technical
>ability on the instrument and be able to play beautiful music.
Why beautiful? It is, in large part, a very ugly world out there. If
that's the way Minasi hears things, or if that's the kind of music
that reflects his world views, then so be it. He can play all right -
fortunately there's no law that says I have to listen to him. My
reality differs from his, that's all. Maybe he thinks that's
beautiful. But I don't think that being a professional musician
necessarily entails playing beauty [and whose definition of beauty do
we use?], any more than a painter is expected to paint postcard
scenes. Kenny G can sleep easy. :)
Johnny Asia
My view is that the guy can
>definitely play, there is enough evidence of that in bits and pieces
>of the clips, so the weird stuff that others have called shredding or
>beginner or shit must be an artistic choice he has made. Personally I
>don't like listening to it at all but I can't really criticize him for
>it because it's not like he can't play more conventionally (or so I
>believe) but instead he just hears something different. I respect
>that a lot more than the guys who can burn though studied lines but
>have got nothing to say, or aren't aspiring to find their own voice.
>jazz guitar>>
Kevin,
Very well said, and succinctly stated.
IIm listening to "Django" again. I like your style, and Dom's too.
When Dom, Joe Finn and I get together soon in Woodstock, NY,
there might be a "Fatwah" issued, and Dom's and my hands will be cut
off with a sword. Joe will be put on The Rack, and stretched until he
repents of his evil deed, and promises never again to consort
with infidels. Dom and I will be further punished with banishment,
for not only playing weird stuff, but for corrupting the morals of a
fine citizen. We'll probably end up on the Bowery, begging for coins
with our remaining hand.
Are you ready Joe? Don't say that I didn't warn you! You'll have to
sign a release, promising not to sue us for pain and suffering
incurred while on The Rack of Musical Correctness.
+
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Widebeat
Minasi doesn't sound like a pro guitar player to me.
Stephan Patterson
>>>
Thank God for that! With ALL the guitarists in the world, the last thing I
want to hear is another pro.
Roy
Kevin Van Sant
<gmm0ru0ohg9g605i8...@4ax.com> :
I guess I don't care if he sounds like a "pro". It's not like he is
auditioning for a pit job, he is out making his Art. And I think
the point with Dom is that he certainly is going beyond technical
ability to play music which I suspect is beautiful to him if not to
you and me. That's what I'm saying, I can't criticize him for his
taste. You say yourself that you think he can play the instrument,
you just don't like what he plays. It's a different thing to say
that you don't like something than to say it sucks.
Have you ever been to a museum and observed modern paintings which
make you say "it looks like a five year old painted this" ? Those
artists likely are quite thoroughly trained and skilled and could
probably paint a conventional still life if you put a gun to their
head, but they have a different artistic vision, does that make them
less "pro", does anyone care?. Dom seems like one of those painters
to me.
Johnny Asia
>Have you ever been to a museum and observed modern paintings which
>make you say "it looks like a five year old painted this" ? Those
>artists likely are quite thoroughly trained and skilled and could
>probably paint a conventional still life if you put a gun to their
>head, but they have a different artistic vision, does that make them
>less "pro", does anyone care?. Dom seems like one of those painters
>to me.
>
>
Kevin, you make a lot of sense. I have a good friend who makes those
modern paintings. He studied figurative art for years, he recieved
scholarships for several prestigious art programs, including
Tanglewood, Skowhegan School and others. He is one of the most popular
teachers at the School of Visual Arts. His knowledge of art history
and technical aspects of painting is quite extensive. And yet, there
are those who resort to the tired old saw "any 5 year old could have
done that" when they don't understand or appreciate his work.
Any 5 year old could make such a pronouncement,
"Nah nah!! Your art is funny!"
Johnny
Jurupari
>are those who resort to the tired old saw "any 5 year old could have
>done that" when they don't understand or appreciate his work.
>
>
James Thurber's comment to a lady who told him about his cartoons, 'my six
year-old son can draw better than that!'
'Yes madam, but he hasn't been through what I have!'.
My take on Dom is that his hands are rendering what's going on in his head.
Essentially, that's what I try to do.
Clif Kuplen
Bob R
juru...@aol.com wrote on 10/20/02 12:01 PM:
Exactly. The guy's making sounds he wants to hear. Period. That's what
musicians are supposed to do. If somebody else doesn't want to hear those
sounds, all they have to do is not listen. I personally wouldn't choose to
make those kinds of sounds, but everybody gets to make his/her own choices
about that.
-- Bob Russell
http://www.bobrussellguitar.com
Buy my CD, "Watch This!"
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Jay Carlson
head.
> Essentially, that's what I try to do.
>
> Clif Kuplen
Yeah, I assume that's what's happening.
For what it's worth- to the people who are wondering about his ability, or
artistic choices, I've played standard tunes with Dom, and he can play very
well over them, in a more "traditional" not-so-far-out way if he wants to,
or if it's appropriate for the gig. When he accompanies his wife ( a
singer), he plays more along the lines of what most of the folks in this
newsgroup would expect to hear. His picking technique blows me away. I've
never seen anyone alternate pick as fast as Dom. My elbow aches just
watching him.
As for the more out stuff that's been discussed in this newsgroup,
who am I to judge? Personally, I've learned from experience that the more I
grow as a musician- and the better I feel about myself regarding my ability
to convey truth & beauty through sound, the fewer people connect with it.
In general, popularity in the arts comes from lowering things to a sort of
'least common denominator' to connect with the most possible people. Anyone
being true to themselves and their own ideals, trying to get out something
never heard before because they believe it's important, and dealing along
the way with either indifference from others or worse, has my sincere
respect.
Jay
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Jay_Carlson/
Johnny Asia
wrote:
Anyone
>being true to themselves and their own ideals, trying to get out something
>never heard before because they believe it's important, and dealing along
>the way with either indifference from others or worse, has my sincere
>respect.
>Jay >>
How can any artist argue with that?
The principal mark of genius is not perfection but originality, the
opening of new frontiers. - Arthur Koestler
Richard
>
> The principal mark of genius is not perfection but originality, the
> opening of new frontiers. - Arthur Koestler
So Bach, Brahms, Chopin and a HOST of others get sidelined by this
inane quote.
The principle mark of genius is not only originality . You need more
than mere novelty--novelty comes cheap. Novelty needs to be wedded to
a lot of other (probably more important) stuff, before it has even the
potential for some kind of resonance with culture/humans. Innovation
is one of the most overrated artistic notions that the 19th/20th
century concocted. Give me a solid artisan any day, I am sick of
so-called artists who lack technique, form, coherence and have been
fed too many ego inflating lies about the artist as a conduit of the
gods.
Richard
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com (Johnny Asia) wrote :
>>
>> The principal mark of genius is not perfection but originality, the
>> opening of new frontiers. - Arthur Koestler
>
I am sick of
>so-called artists who lack technique, form, coherence and have been
>fed too many ego inflating lies about the artist as a conduit of the
>gods.
>
>Richard>>
Talk about your inflated ego! So fucking what, you being sick of it
is OK, but fuck you and your insults.
Johnny
Richard
>Talk about your inflated ego! So fucking what, you being sick of it
>is OK, but fuck you and your insults.
Hey Johnny,
Cool off--I wasnt insulting you! I was taking Koestler and his quote to task!
Richard
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com (Johnny Asia) wrote :
>>
>> The principal mark of genius is not perfection but originality, the
>> opening of new frontiers. - Arthur Koestler
>
>So Bach, Brahms, Chopin and a HOST of others get sidelined by this
>inane quote.
>
>The principle mark of genius is not only originality .
>
>Richard >>
There were thousands of pianists and composers who could play
extremely well, the ones you mention were original also. That's what
stood them apart from the rest.
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>Hey Johnny,
>Cool off--I wasnt insulting you! I was taking Koestler and his quote to task!
>
>Richard >>
I apologize Richard. I'm not very objective about this subject line, I
know Dom and we will be working together. He's a very nice guy, he's
not on some kind of ego trip. I strongly identify with him for having
to do it "his way", in spite of what most people think about it. I
just don't understand why other guitarists must resort to insulting
and trashing the music of others. It seems to me to be a matter of of
one musician saying about another:
"I can play as well/better than that, I should be getting that
recognition instead of that *&^^%$$%^"
Cheers,
Johnny
Tom Walls
says...
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:21:25 -0400, Stephan Patterson
> <stephan....@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> >that he is would be ridiculous. But I question his ability and taste
> >as a musician. In my opinion, what he plays simply is not good or
> >interesting music. I think a pro should be able to go beyond technical
> >ability on the instrument and be able to play beautiful music.
>
> Why beautiful? It is, in large part, a very ugly world out there. If
> that's the way Minasi hears things, or if that's the kind of music
> that reflects his world views, then so be it.
I now quote myself, "I used to think that ugliness was as valid an
artistic statement as beauty; and it is -- in hell!"
This is no reflection on Dom Minasi, by the way. From the clips I heard,
I don't think he plays ugly, but I didn't find his playing compelling. No
sweat, Dom, "compelling" is a pretty tall order.
snip
[and whose definition of beauty do
> we use?
That of the artist.
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Tom Walls
pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com says...
Hey, that's the price you pay for art! :)
--
Tom Walls
kvan...@pobox.com says...
snip
> Have you ever been to a museum and observed modern paintings which
> make you say "it looks like a five year old painted this" ? Those
> artists likely are quite thoroughly trained and skilled and could
> probably paint a conventional still life if you put a gun to their
> head, but they have a different artistic vision, does that make them
> less "pro", does anyone care?. Dom seems like one of those painters
> to me.
An art history professor of mine, who was a popular painter at the
regional level, once professed(heh) that he took the "paints like a five
year old" comment as a great compliment. "It's hard to paint like a five
year old!"
Johnny Asia
wrote:
>
>An art history professor of mine, who was a popular painter at the
>regional level, once professed(heh) that he took the "paints like a five
>year old" comment as a great compliment. "It's hard to paint like a five
>year old!"
>
Right Tom! Picasso said "I could paint like Rembrandt by the time
I was 18, but it has taken me a lifetime to learn how to paint like a
child."
Einstein made a similar comment, when asked why it was that he
thought he was the one who made the big breakthrough, he replied
"Because I remained a child, and I asked the kind of questions that a
child would ask."
Kind of reminds me of the words of Jesus, "Except you turn and become
like little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Tom Walls
pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com says...
snip
>
> Right Tom! Picasso said "I could paint like Rembrandt by the time
> I was 18, but it has taken me a lifetime to learn how to paint like a
> child."
>
> Einstein made a similar comment, when asked why it was that he
> thought he was the one who made the big breakthrough, he replied
> "Because I remained a child, and I asked the kind of questions that a
> child would ask."
>
> Kind of reminds me of the words of Jesus, "Except you turn and become
> like little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
> +
>
Good quotes all, but I think I like the last best!
thom_j.
"Johnny Asia" wrote:
> I apologize Richard. I'm not very objective about this subject line, I
> know Dom and we will be working together. He's a very nice guy, he's
> not on some kind of ego trip. I strongly identify with him for having
> to do it "his way", in spite of what most people think about it. I
> just don't understand why other guitarists must resort to insulting
> and trashing the music of others. It seems to me to be a matter of of
> one musician saying about another:
A Big Amen! on this Johnny! I love music and all kinds of musicians.
Maybe I have more of a "PollyAnna" look on things but I feel if you
can not express positive comments about anything dont comment at
all, but thats the way I am & my old Hippy'dom coming out of me :)
cheers thom_j.
thom_j.
"Tom Walls" <tw...@REMOVEcornell.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <3db3f706...@news.mybizz.net>,
> pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com says...
>
> snip
>
> >
> > Right Tom! Picasso said "I could paint like Rembrandt by the time
> > I was 18, but it has taken me a lifetime to learn how to paint like a
> > child."
> >
> > Einstein made a similar comment, when asked why it was that he
> > thought he was the one who made the big breakthrough, he replied
> > "Because I remained a child, and I asked the kind of questions that a
> > child would ask."
> >
> > Kind of reminds me of the words of Jesus, "Except you turn and become
> > like little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
> > +
> >
>
> Good quotes all, but I think I like the last best!
I believe maybe because its stated by el numero uno? :) peace thom_j.
Paul Sanwald
Asia) wrote:
>
>I apologize Richard. I'm not very objective about this subject line, I
>know Dom and we will be working together. He's a very nice guy, he's
>not on some kind of ego trip. I strongly identify with him for having
>to do it "his way", in spite of what most people think about it.
plenty of people on here have stated that they respect dom, but didn't
particularly like the music. I fall into that category too. I'd like
to see he him live, but wouldn't buy a cd based on what I've heard.
--paul
thomas
> > like little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
>
Jesus develops that riff a little further in Luke 19:27,
where he says:
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign
over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
In other words, if you don't become like little children,
you're my enemy and my followers are gonna kill you.
Johnny Asia
Praise the Lord and pass the Prozac!
+
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
The First Church of Common Sense
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Who is Johnny Asia?
Letter from an ex CIA analyst:
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/letter.html
Richard
> I apologize Richard. I'm not very objective about this subject line, I
> know Dom and we will be working together. He's a very nice guy, he's
> not on some kind of ego trip. I strongly identify with him for having
> to do it "his way", in spite of what most people think about it. I
> just don't understand why other guitarists must resort to insulting
> and trashing the music of others.
Johnny,
No probs!!
I apologise if my remarks seemed directed at you. BTW I started this
thread on Minasi, with my honest appraisal of his music and with the
intent of getting some other opinions on it. I definitely am not out
to slander his name/career.
I also agree that unfounded insults and trashing of players is
counter-productive and often leads nowhere, but I am in favour of
honest, substantiated opinion/criticism/discussion, even if this
sometimes leads to negative conclusions. Anyway all they ever are, are
just opinions which are easily refuted by a counter-opinion!
Richard
thom_j.
"thomas" <tomb...@jhu.edu> wrote in message
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Jeez now I'll have to dig my Bible out, and look at this..
This passage seems to have escaped me. I guess this is
a good one for Mr Lawson..eh? :) cheers thom_j.
Kev
> Dom has received very favourable reviews at RMMGJ when I google at the
> archives.I had a listen to "Takin' the Duke Out" and "Goin Out Again"
> today and was so bored I had to skip fwd thru tracks. To my ears Dom
> is incredibly one-sided in his playing. Critics seem to be falling
> over themselves in their praise for his records - something that
> always sets my alarm bells ringing.
> To me Dom lacks rhythmic flair, a sense of development and has a
> shallow well of dynamics and timbre. In this style of music I find the
> use of dynamics, timbre, silence, etc to be extra-important. I found
> the records, especially the duke record to be predicatable and
> unimaginative generally, ESPECIALLY when compared with Dolphy! (Dom is
> being compared to Dolphy by many critics)
> Anyway, putting my opinions aside, anyone have some other
> substantiated views on Dom?
>
> Richard
Just checked out his site, and came away from hearing his soundclips with a
similar opinion. I heard some interesting stuff in his playing, some *moments*,
but they were quickly abandoned and overshadowed by some pretty gestural stuff
I didn't care for at all, namely the tremolo-picking-while-glissing-around-the
fretboard technique, and some open strings ringing out that didn't quite sound
intentional or even like happy musical accidents. I would respect it all a
little more if it weren't for his wearing his "Too far out!" status on his
sleeve so much - I dig the "out" stuff as much as anyone, but it shouldn't be
so central to one's musical identity as his site makes it seem, with its proud
reports of him causing "storms of controversy" among "purists". I like hearing
deconstuctions of familiar harmonic material, but I'd rather hear it a la
Ben Monder, Anthony Braxton, or Jean-Michel Pilc, than hear one dynamic level,
one intensity level, and one level of harmonic relevance, for several minutes,
for every tune.
-Kevin Collins
Tom Walls
tomb...@jhu.edu says...
to me.
thomas
> > > >
> > > > Kind of reminds me of the words of Jesus, "Except you turn and become
> > > > like little children, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
> >
> > over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
> >
> > In other words, if you don't become like little children,
> > you're my enemy and my followers are gonna kill you.
> >
> Ha! Truthfully, it was the tone of ultimatum in the quote that appealed
> to me.
The big problem is that if Jesus's followers all become like little
children, they're not going to be very effective killers of his
enemies.
Jurupari
>children, they're not going to be very effective killers of his
>enemies.
>
all that's changed now. Ever seen a ten year old with an Uzi?
Johnny Asia
Yes, it's time to update the old material. I'm the Editor-in-Chief of
the Word of God, I made a few changes:
The Sermon on the Rubble Pile
Wretched are the stupid, for they do not have a clue. .....etc
Instead of "Let the dead bury their own dead", I changed
it to "Let the dead kill each other"
Johnny,
A very complex Messiah
thom_j.
"Johnny Asia" <pope_ab...@Xyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 23 Oct 2002 01:34:03 GMT, juru...@aol.com (Jurupari) wrote:
>
> >>The big problem is that if Jesus's followers all become like little
> >>children, they're not going to be very effective killers of his
> >>enemies.
> >>
> >
> >all that's changed now. Ever seen a ten year old with an Uzi? >>
>
> Yes, it's time to update the old material. I'm the Editor-in-Chief of
> the Word of God, I made a few changes:
>
> The Sermon on the Rubble Pile
>
> Wretched are the stupid, for they do not have a clue. .....etc
>
> Instead of "Let the dead bury their own dead", I changed
> it to "Let the dead kill each other"
>
> Johnny,
> A very complex Messiah
Johnny, Is this suppose to be complex or confused? Messiah.. :)
the tee'ster
Tom Walls
> children, they're not going to be very effective killers of his
> enemies.
>