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daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 3, 2012, 1:01:11 AM10/3/12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 3, 2012, 1:02:59 AM10/3/12
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 1:01:11 AM UTC-4, daniel_anth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSgb50KLelI&feature=related

Mr Maj6th

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Oct 3, 2012, 2:29:54 AM10/3/12
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 22:01:11 -0700 (PDT),
daniel_anth...@yahoo.com wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

I checked it out, couldn't take much more than about a minute and a
half; thanks anyway.

Maj6th

Mr Maj6th

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Oct 3, 2012, 2:33:18 AM10/3/12
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About the same, can't dance to it; I'd give it about a 10.

Maj6th

TD

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Oct 3, 2012, 8:12:51 AM10/3/12
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LOL

GreggL

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Oct 3, 2012, 11:15:19 AM10/3/12
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On 10/2/2012 10:01 PM, daniel_anth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c
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"The heart is the universe. The universe is the heart."

Wow, that's like, way deep, man. Like way.
Gregg

Lord Valve

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Oct 3, 2012, 3:58:28 PM10/3/12
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daniel_anth...@yahoo.com wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

That's fucking bullshit.

The dude soloed for 12-1/2 minutes without playing
anything at all that was worth listening to. And Medeski
came in at the end slamming random handfuls of keys,
which is why (I suppose) YOU like it. Gack.

Lord Valve
Organist




Gill Smith

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Oct 3, 2012, 7:51:41 PM10/3/12
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<daniel_anth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

hmmm

Grateful Dead meets Kublai Khan. . . ???

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daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 3, 2012, 7:59:13 PM10/3/12
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 2:33:20 AM UTC-4, Mr Maj6th wrote:
Tisziji has been around a long long while, and has even been on the David Letterman Show, has a lot of records and a kind of cult following I suppose, but not a lot of video, and this one was more interesting for that than anything else... however, i posted a second link, and if nothing in there seems any better it never ever will, trust me, but that's everyone's choice and I ain’t got no ax to grind for or against it. i love his playing on the whole, but i would not be too keen on the vid if it were mine, but there is something there for me that's quite ok too, and better than that in the big picture. The problem with some of these things is finding "the good stuff", but YOU and no one else can really know what that is, or why you would search in the first place, unless it do it or it don't do it for you.... That works mostly the same way for all folks. I, despite claims of whatever from whomever and so forth, have never had any problem knowing what I like and what I don't and WHY....there are some grayish areas in there sometimes I’ll admit, but mostly i'm all at peace with allllll of that. Why others who would be so moved to say the same for themselves and then find it necessary to post negatively (and i'm not really even addressing Maj6, as he is, imo ,a mostly civil poster who likes what he likes and don't what he don't....no problem there for me, but i post things like these for a minority of a minority....wew, like that needs explaining, but here you never really know how far things will get out of hand ! So, as it were before, and if onward and forward, then on so with something resembling common sense and civility i hope....

thomas

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Oct 3, 2012, 8:29:32 PM10/3/12
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This kind of music is always better live. I would definitely catch him live if I had the chance. I like the sound--it's kind of like if Sonny Greenwich had chops and Santana's tone. But I didn't make it all the way through either. I actually switched halfway through to a Beach Boys song instead--the amazing "Please Let Me Wonder", one of Brian's best vocals on record:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_hPqnxaYYI

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 3, 2012, 8:45:46 PM10/3/12
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good descripction- "if Sonny Greenwich had chops and Santana's tone" And he, like Greenwhich for better or worse is often refered to as a "coltrane guitarist".Lot's of records and lots of fire... i think his MySpace page is still up and there's some very nice excerpts on there. Some players, like maybe Rypdal or even Coryell, i love for what i love but i don't like all their output equally...this even happens across recordings, too.....but in the end i'm usually glad to check out most things i think i'd have an interest in, but it's very subjective....know what what you know, like what you like.......

Mark Kleinhaut

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Oct 4, 2012, 7:35:07 PM10/4/12
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these guys are outstanding in this genre, those that can't hear it, well, just cant hear it....nothing to discuss.

Lord Valve

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Oct 4, 2012, 7:59:48 PM10/4/12
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Mark Kleinhaut wrote:

> these guys are outstanding in this genre, those that can't hear it, well, just cant hear it....nothing to discuss.

What genre would that be - drug-induced cosmic hippie bullshit?

Speed wanking? Marathon soloing? Tunes with no head? Those
dudes looked like they were trying to find out how much the audience
would stand for. Evidently, the crowd was higher than the band...I can
hear it, all right. It sounds like shit.

Next?

Lord Valve
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thomas

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Oct 4, 2012, 8:14:05 PM10/4/12
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On Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:35:08 PM UTC-4, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> these guys are outstanding in this genre, those that can't hear it, well, just cant hear it....nothing to discuss.

I liked the chops and the overall conception, but I didn't get a strong sense of dynamics or interaction. I wanted to like it more, but it kind of went on too long. Sometimes with highly improvisational music you need to be there in person to get the full effect.

Mark Kleinhaut

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Oct 5, 2012, 11:34:47 AM10/5/12
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I agree, these things almost always translate better live. I once was at a show at the knitting factory in NYC listening to some heavyweight name free jazz,I was so smitten I bought five CDs that night, one from each member of the group. I really never enjoyed any of them and after a couple of attempts relegated them to basement storage. I probably won't ever watch this video again, but you can clearly tell from the audience reaction at the end that there was magic in the room that night. if he's in my area I'd go see him. some people think all free playing is categorical bull sheet, different strokes, whatever.

Gerry

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Oct 5, 2012, 12:13:04 PM10/5/12
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On 2012-10-05 15:34:47 +0000, Mark Kleinhaut said:

> I agree, these things almost always translate better live. I once was
> at a show at the knitting factory in NYC listening to some heavyweight
> name free jazz,I was so smitten I bought five CDs that night, one from
> each member of the group. I really never enjoyed any of them and after
> a couple of attempts relegated them to basement storage.

How funny you should mention it in that context. Any number of things
I've seen in the knitting factory were really intriguing, and in packed
rooms each time. Afterwards--no interest at all in the music. It
reminds me that with comedy the tighter-packed the audience the more
"funny" almost anything is. It's a curiousity.
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 5, 2012, 7:44:35 PM10/5/12
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perhaps we have not so much of an, old school/new school, leftwing/rightwing, in/out, cool/uncool, aesthetic A/aesthetic B, dichotomy as we have a weed-using/ drug-demon dichotomy? Who's first......

Gill Smith

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Oct 7, 2012, 10:53:53 AM10/7/12
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"Lord Valve" <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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there is a tendency for jazz guitarists to be overly concerned with
technique at the expense of musicianship

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Gerry

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Oct 7, 2012, 1:51:30 PM10/7/12
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On 2012-10-07 14:53:53 +0000, Gill Smith said:

> there is a tendency for jazz guitarists to be overly concerned with
> technique at the expense of musicianship

We can only be glad such distasteful qualities aren't evidenced by
other instruments in other styles.

Gill Smith

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Oct 7, 2012, 3:51:35 PM10/7/12
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"Gerry" <add...@domain.com> wrote in message
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> On 2012-10-07 14:53:53 +0000, Gill Smith said:
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>> there is a tendency for jazz guitarists to be overly concerned with
>> technique at the expense of musicianship
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> We can only be glad such distasteful qualities aren't evidenced by other
> instruments in other styles.

guitarists inherited the mantle from piano players

but today's music isn't instrument-led

might almost be said that musician's are obstructing music's progression
into weird/unplayable time signatures, rhythms and 'keys'

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Gerry

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Oct 7, 2012, 6:15:06 PM10/7/12
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On 2012-10-07 19:51:35 +0000, Gill Smith said:

> "Gerry" <add...@domain.com> wrote in message
> news:2012100710513013075-address@domaincom...
>> On 2012-10-07 14:53:53 +0000, Gill Smith said:
>>
>>> there is a tendency for jazz guitarists to be overly concerned with
>>> technique at the expense of musicianship
>>
>> We can only be glad such distasteful qualities aren't evidenced by
>> other instruments in other styles.
>
> guitarists inherited the mantle from piano players

Well, I'm always glad to blame every fart on whichever piano-player is
closest, but in fairness "flash over content" is not limited to any
isntrument, style or genre, ethnicity or nationality. Wherever you go,
showbiz is showbiz pretty much.

thomas

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Oct 7, 2012, 6:30:02 PM10/7/12
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On Sunday, October 7, 2012 6:15:07 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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> Well, I'm always glad to blame every fart on whichever piano-player is
> closest, but in fairness "flash over content" is not limited to any
> isntrument, style or genre, ethnicity or nationality. Wherever you go,
> showbiz is showbiz pretty much.


Check out the audience response at this oud concert in Saudi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKXDvHMyOzc

Tim

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Oct 7, 2012, 8:48:29 PM10/7/12
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On Oct 3, 12:01 am, daniel_anthony_stea...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zHSI08k1_c

I like fusion. That's some pretty good fusion.

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 7, 2012, 10:05:19 PM10/7/12
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it's alwaya a fine line....i think John Zorn is making Marc Ribbot walk that very line here where he sort of has to be half Neil Young and half Pharoah Sander's. I think he does a great job...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9O4wJl8mEk

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 7, 2012, 10:15:04 PM10/7/12
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On Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:05:19 PM UTC-4, daniel_anth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:51:31 PM UTC-4, Gerry wrote:
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> > On 2012-10-07 14:53:53 +0000, Gill Smith said:
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> > > there is a tendency for jazz guitarists to be overly concerned with
the guy he actually reminds me of here is John Cipollina, but interetingly, there are those guys you want for their "limitations" \tat's the thing you want!that, sparrk*

daniel_anth...@yahoo.com

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Oct 7, 2012, 10:38:53 PM10/7/12
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There are actually some guys here who could address the influence Coltrane had post, A Love Supreme and Interstellar Space. That "spiritual/cosmic" thing, well certain guys like Tisziji seem to have taken it quite seriously.... so, apparently you either poke holes in it as "old-fashion" or hippie bulls^*T or whatnot and whatever, or you can even treat it in context, or "?" A.Don't listen B.Don't care C.you have an opinion, and you will explode without blowing some steam and insecurity or other social nastiness i should know about on the playing something everyone will like....and on and on it goes....how far.....? perhaps i'm nieve

Gerry

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Oct 8, 2012, 3:09:16 AM10/8/12
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Just imagine what the all-male audience would do with "Orange Blossum Special".
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