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Larry Coryell's Stravinsky albums

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andy-uk

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:09:14 PM12/28/09
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Cant find any tracks, or much info on larry coryell's take on
stravinsky....are they errrrrr terrible? :)

It all sounds like it maybe a little weird..I read that "the rite of
spring" has some "latin interludes".... was beer involved??

pmfan57

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Dec 28, 2009, 8:41:41 PM12/28/09
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I have one of them on LP. I have no idea why he made acoustic guitar
reductions. I don't remember wanting to listen more than once.
Yamashita's Firebird is amazing though.

dunlop212

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:02:54 AM12/29/09
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Recently gave Ellington's nutcracker suite a listen (pull it out every
Christmas). Great sounding record, arguably an improvement over the
original ;-)

Coryell is wise to put latin or swing or whatever in the arrangement;
for almost any jazz player I would think that a straight effort would
come across as comical in comparison to someone like Yamashita.

Are there any current jazz guitar players with credible classical
skills? Going back, maybe Charlie Byrd and Johnny Smith? Wynton
Marsalis and Andre Previn are names that come to mind on other
instruments, but I am not sure on jazz guitar.

pmfan57

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:11:16 AM12/29/09
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Adam Rogers is reputed to be a very good classical guitarist. Barry
Galbraith studied with a well known concert guitarist, who considered
Barry to be an excellent classical player (Barry could play Bach's
Chaconne in Dm from one of the violin partitas). Obviously Ralph
Towner.

Johnny Smith has done some amazing plectrum style arrangements of
classical warhorses, such as Sevilla by Albeniz (I think he's the
composer on that). They are really hard to believe he could have done
it with just a pick and no fingers, and on a steel strung archtop
(played acoustically). You can hear such arrangements on Legends,
which also has George Van Eps on half the album.

unknownguitarplayer

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Dec 29, 2009, 11:25:23 AM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 9:02 am, dunlop212 <ed_ha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Earl Klugh and Kenny Burrell both studied classical guitar with Joe
Fava.

Joe Finn

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I've heard some of this stuff too. Coryell's various efforts at interpreting
"classical" music are very interesting to me. I don't think he has been
particularly well received in the world of "serious" music. He also
recorded some Ravel back in the 1970's I think. .....joe

p.s. I had thought that his drinking days were behind him but I don't know
when he actually quit for good.

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Ric

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Dec 29, 2009, 12:55:46 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 9:02 am, dunlop212 <ed_ha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Ralph Towner

Mark Guest

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Dec 29, 2009, 5:38:52 PM12/29/09
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I would guess that Gene Bertoncini could do a creditable job on cg...

All the best,

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Dec 29, 2009, 6:23:25 PM12/29/09
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On Dec 29, 8:02 am, dunlop212 <ed_ha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Are there any current jazz guitar players with credible classical
> skills?

Ron Eschete was a CG major in college and can still play. Fareed
Haque. I don't know if you'd count Steve Morse as a jazz player....

KenK

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:32:51 AM12/30/09
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"Recently gave Ellington's nutcracker suite a listen (pull it out
every Christmas). Great sounding record, arguably an improvement over
the original ;-)"

I love Ellington and think his Nutcracker is great-
But it's not an improvement of Tchaikovsky's work.
No no no...

The Nutcracker gets over looked and even ignored as seriously great
music
because it's so overplayed and there's all that Xmas imagery
associated w/ it.

If you listen closely you'll hear it's practically a textbook of
orchestral color.
It's actually a Masterpiece of the Classical lit.

KenK

dunlop212

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Dec 30, 2009, 11:32:02 AM12/30/09
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I would think that many if most serious jazz players studied classical
guitar at some point.

Johnny Smith played with serious classical orchestras on modern
pieces, and not as part of a "pops" performance. Charle Byrd cut some
classical albums that were not novelty items, I think.

Chet Atkins worked pretty hard on it, but I would bet he would have
freely admitted that he would not get to a mainstream classical gig
if his name was "Chet Smith."

Previn and Marsallis cut records that were pretty well received in
both markets. A big step up from just studying both, or cutting a
record in a different style because you have a marketable name.

Claus Rogge

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:31:34 PM12/30/09
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Joe Finn <J...@JoeFinn.net> wrote:

> I had thought that his drinking days were behind him but I don't know
> when he actually quit for good.

Just read his bio "Improvising - My Life in Music" and it seems that his
"classical" recordings all happened after 81 when he quit all drugs -
Firebird/Petrouchka in �84, Sacre in �86

Would like to hear these recordings but they are not very present ...

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Bg

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Dec 30, 2009, 1:21:59 PM12/30/09
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>
> Are there any current jazz guitar players with credible classical
> skills? Going back, maybe Charlie Byrd and Johnny Smith? Wynton
> Marsalis and Andre Previn are names that come to mind on other
> instruments, but I am not sure on jazz guitar.

Lenny Breau, Gene bertoncini.
Bg

coastli...@msn.com

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Jan 1, 2010, 7:52:33 PM1/1/10
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On Dec 28 2009, 5:09 pm, andy-uk <andy.uk.j...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Cant find any tracks, or much info onlarrycoryell'stake on

> stravinsky....are they errrrrr terrible? :)
>
> It all sounds like it maybe a little weird..I read that "the rite of
> spring" has some "latin interludes".... was beer involved??

Loiseau de feu came out quite good. Also, Larry did a brilliant
version of Rimsky Korsakovs Scherezade. Checkout a cd called Visions
in Blue-Revel and Gershwin tunes. Coryell is one of the great 20th
century guitarists. Your question "are they terrible" is a bit
insulting. The man has influenced a few generations of guitarists who
came after as well as quite a few contemporaries

coastli...@msn.com

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Jan 1, 2010, 7:54:44 PM1/1/10
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On Dec 29 2009, 6:02 am, dunlop212 <ed_ha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Recently gave Ellington's nutcracker suite a listen (pull it out every
> Christmas). Great sounding record, arguably an improvement over the
> original ;-)
>
> Coryellis wise to put latin or swing or whatever in the arrangement;

> for almost any jazz player I would think that a straight effort would
> come across as comical in comparison to someone like Yamashita.
>
> Are there any current jazz guitar players with credible classical
> skills? Going back, maybe Charlie Byrd and Johnny Smith? Wynton
> Marsalis and Andre Previn are names that come to mind on other
> instruments, but I am not sure on jazz guitar.

Yea- jazz players are comical in comparison to classical players. Get
a life. Yameshita is a fan of Coryells.

pmfan57

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Jan 1, 2010, 8:23:43 PM1/1/10
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Stravinsky's music is an unbelievable stretch for the solo guitar,
even among the greatest classical virtuosos. To my knowledge,
Yameshita may be the only one to attempt such music. Considering the
fact that Coryell is not a classical guitarist, and the fact that over
the years he has, by his own admission, been somewhat inconsistent,
there is nothing wrong with the OP's question. I think the people in
this group have a fairly high regard for the skills of jazz
guitarists.

Now I have to go down to my system with the turntable and listen to my
LP of LC playing Stravinsky.

Joe Finn

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It's interesting to think that LC would consider himself to be inconsistent.
I tend to think of his discography as adventurous and daring. He is a true
eclectic. People may not like everything he has recorded but you have to
recognize the breadth of the variety and the kind of curiosity he displays
in the pursuit of diverse repertoire. ...joe

pmfan57

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Jan 1, 2010, 11:45:25 PM1/1/10
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On Jan 1, 10:13 pm, "Joe Finn" <J...@JoeFinn.net> wrote:
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In his bio he admits that for a stretch of his career he was plastered
for many of his performances. But I guess even early on he did take
chances and therefore didn't always come across as perfect or
completely polished on all of his solos. Don't get me wrong I like
him a lot and have a bunch of his albums.

Joe Finn

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"pmfan57" <jwra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I saw him at one of his "11th House" performances circa 1973 and he appeared
to be under the influence somewhat.

Do you remember what album he did that de visee material on? ...joe

pmfan57

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Jan 2, 2010, 2:37:53 PM1/2/10
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That was "The Restful Mind," which is one of my favorite Coryell
albums and had Ralph Towner on parts of it. I have to go get that
album again. Thanks for reminding me.

Joe Finn

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That's the one! Back in those days I had recorded a lot of my lps on to
reel to reel tape. I'm sure I have The Restful Mind somewhere. Unfortunately
I don't have a reel to reel deck that works anymore.

I think I have a transcription of that de Visee piece someplace too.
....joe

pmfan57

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Jan 3, 2010, 11:57:52 AM1/3/10
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Yeah, reel to reel seemed like a good hifi backup medium at the time,
but it's a lot easier to play cassettes than reel to reel these days.

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