More bad news
Sacramento Dave
AP 8-31 2005 Washington DC 10:00
It was reported today that early this morning three senators passed gas.
Analyses are worried that if this trend continues due to the recent Katrina
hurricane this could raise the current gas prices up an additional 5 to 8
cents a gallon. A high level government official stated "This is a very
serious matter; the senate floor is known to be the nation largest mobile
Gas reserve. If we continue to have these breeches it could lead to
jeopardizing one of our greatest natural resources" Word of the senate gas
leak sent the DOW into a spiral, There is even worries $80+ a barrel for
crude oil my be reached by the weekend. Experts are saying we have to safe
guard the nation. One suggestion is to pass out corks as precaution. They
are considering a special senate hearing. But experts are saying quote "that
could start a catastrophic chain reaction. This would lead to financial
disaster" It has been reported to be a strong rise in TP stocks in
anticipation of a major blow out.
Reporting
Roger Bullum AP
Mike McCollum
"Sacramento Dave" <dia...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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I'm in Gloucester, VA and the price of gas has gone up by 35 cents per
gallon in two days. Something is seriously wrong with this system. Seems
like gas prices get an instantaneous hike at the slightest pretext, but when
the price per barrel drops it takes weeks or months to reflect that drop.
Alternate fuel sources and a couple of lynchings for price gougers ought to
be a good start. Sorry folks, just feeling grumpy. Katie's got lots of folks
in Slidell, Metairie, and St. Bernard Parish in general. Price gouging and
looting in effect has already affected friends and relatives down in
N'Orleans and I'm just venting.
Mike
David Enke
DE
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Neil O'C
Neil O'C
PS: On topic, saw 3.29 for premium this AM about 1/.4 mile from UWis
Hospital where I work. Wondering what it will be in 2 hours when I
drive home (and tank up....:O...)
Sacramento Dave
> I'm in Gloucester, VA and the price of gas has gone up by 35 cents per
> gallon in two days. Something is seriously wrong with this system. Seems
> like gas prices get an instantaneous hike at the slightest pretext, but
when
> the price per barrel drops it takes weeks or months to reflect that drop.
> Alternate fuel sources and a couple of lynchings for price gougers ought
to
> be a good start. Sorry folks, just feeling grumpy. Katie's got lots of
folks
> in Slidell, Metairie, and St. Bernard Parish in general. Price gouging and
> looting in effect has already affected friends and relatives down in
> N'Orleans and I'm just venting.
>
> Mike
>
products price goes up, Hum. If they open the north slope for oil
exploration the will still go up, We have to pay for there exploration.
jtougas
<ultr...@cox.net> wrote:
>I'm in Gloucester, VA and the price of gas has gone up by 35 cents per
>gallon in two days. Something is seriously wrong with this system. Seems
>like gas prices get an instantaneous hike at the slightest pretext, but when
>the price per barrel drops it takes weeks or months to reflect that drop.
>Alternate fuel sources and a couple of lynchings for price gougers ought to
>be a good start. Sorry folks, just feeling grumpy. Katie's got lots of folks
>in Slidell, Metairie, and St. Bernard Parish in general. Price gouging and
>looting in effect has already affected friends and relatives down in
>N'Orleans and I'm just venting.
Here in Athens we had rumors flying around about the gas stations
would be closing at 3pm due to the pipe running from Louisiana to
Atlanta shutting down. This started a rush at several gas stations,
which I ended up in the middle of because I actually needed to buy
gas. I'd been resting the needle on 'E' for two days already,
otherwise I'd've stayed at work like a sane person. It was really
amazing, watching the feeding frenzy. And the gas station I was at
had run out of standard.
I filled up last Wednesday, at 2.629 a gallon. After driving 280
miles over the weekend, I had to fill back up at 3.159 a gallon, from
the same station (hell, almost the same pump).
While I was filling up, a woman filling up her minivan looked at me,
and said 'Man, I wish I drove a Honda, too'...
I drive a ten-year old Honda Civic that still gets 30mpg City.
I looooove my car right now. :-)
jtougas
listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go
e.e. cummings
Ed Edelenbos
(per one local TV stations daily sampling which they've been doing for over
a year now.) 14 cents in one day and the prediction is approx. the same
increase by tomorrow. It really makes one wonder about a government that
allows the economy to be so entrenched in oil. And, I'm not just talking
GW...
Ed
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Geezer
"Ed Edelenbos" <ed...@spameasy.net> wrote in message
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> Gas here in Baltimore was (on average) $2.65 yesterday... today it is
> $2.89 (per one local TV stations daily sampling which they've been doing
> for over a year now.) 14 cents in one day and the prediction is approx.
> the same increase by tomorrow. It really makes one wonder about a
> government that allows the economy to be so entrenched in oil. And, I'm
> not just talking GW...
>
> Ed
I've paid $78 USD to fill the tank of a Hyundai while working in Korea. I
don't complain quite so much any more. But I do agree that we're being raped
by the oil companies.
Here in Rhode Island I've seen prices for regular between $2.69 and $3.09
for regular.
Shell Oil was the highest and they've pretty much guaranteed that I'll never
be a customer again. They're always at the front of the high priced pack.
(And I told them so in a letter earlier this afternoon. They'll be receiving
the pieces of my Shell credit card in a couple of days).
Hess and Mobil have been the lowest priced fuels in this area.
Geezer
Stan Milam
I left a song circle early Monday night. When asked why I was leaving
so soon I replied, "Because I have to get to the gas station before they
raise the price again!"
Regards,
Stan Milam.
Geezer
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My wife told me that she wanted to go "someplace expensive" last night.
I took her to a gas station...
Geezer
Mästerkatten
> I took her to a gas station...
> Geezer
I went out to dinner tonight and passed a Hess station where the price
was $2.67/gal.
One hour later I passed the same station on the way home and the price
was up to $2.89/gal.
Do you think they really got a whole new shipment in of higher priced
gas?
Steve In FLA
Geezer
"Mästerkatten" <glic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Smile,
You've just been screwed...like the rest of us.
Geezer
jetcode joe
highest I've ever seen it in this country ever and half of what
Belgians pay ... literally ... I took a friend to Amsterdam and rented
a car to drive to France ... I said look I'll rent the car you fill it
up ... he said sure no problem ... until he got a $67 fuel bill for 11
gallons of gas ... we're headed that way go out and by a Hummer or a
big V-8 truck ... the oil wealth is in heaven though they are so
overwhelmingly rich it really matters little to them ... what's a few
extra hundred million ...
Mitch
$2.89
> (per one local TV stations daily sampling which they've been doing for
over
> a year now.) 14 cents in one day and the prediction is approx. the same
> increase by tomorrow. It really makes one wonder about a government that
> allows the economy to be so entrenched in oil. And, I'm not just talking
> GW...
>
> Ed
So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
rise up against oil companies and OPEC? $10 a gallon? 'Cause they're
gonna keep charging it if were gonna keep paying for it instead of drilling
more of our own while working furiously to develop alternative sources
of fuel.
FWIW, the stations are getting squeezed in all of this as well. My store
of choice that used to do 5000 gal/week is now down to less than 3000.
For my part, the V8 is gone in favor of a Toyota 1.8L four. I welcome
suggestions or head's up about other creative ways to turn the screws
on Big Oil and OPEC. The People will govern the price if The People
are willing to do something. Until then, were getting what were asking
for.
Mitch
MikeK
(along with a live news crew) as two stations changed their signs. Regular
went from 2.79 to 3.09 in one jump. Every other station in town was the
same price. What happened to competition?
Mike Keller
MikeK
news:1125534828....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> I went out to dinner tonight and passed a Hess station where the price
> was $2.67/gal.
>
> One hour later I passed the same station on the way home and the price
> was up to $2.89/gal.
>
> Do you think they really got a whole new shipment in of higher priced
> gas?
>
> Steve In FLA
>
I read in another forum that the price at the station is not based on
what they paid for the gallon, but what they will pay to replace it. I
have no doubt that their next tank will cost them more.
Mike Keller
Lucy
Minivan. I missed that old Honda yesterday - price here was $2.99 and
now it's over $3. I can remember $ .29!!!!
Lucy
Ed Edelenbos
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> now it's over $3. I can remember $ .29!!!!
> Lucy
>
Hmmm. I remember prices right around that, and uniformed men who would pump
gas and check oil and water levels, wash windows,... and depending on the
station, they would give you various bits... an Esso tiger, a Dino glass
(Sinclair), etc. for a fillup.
Damn. I'm ancient.
Ed
A Nengineer
> But I do agree that we're being raped by the oil companies.
Okay, your ignorance is just rank here.
First of all, you Lefty enviro-whackos made sure that the domestic crude
oil production here in the U.S. went to almost nothing.
So the "oil companies" don't own any of the "oil" that you think they're
"raping" you over.
The oil is mostly produced overseas.
When the barrel of crude goes up a couple hundred percent, and that
barrel of crude is BOUGHT, not SOLD, by the "oil companies," bitch, how
is it they're "raping" you? You might as well say that you're being
"raped by Quickie-Mart" or wherever it is that you buy your gasoline.
It's called "passing costs on to the consumer."
Additionally, the major problem we have, also laid at the fit of
shit-head environmentalists (who are far more "mental" than "enviro") is
that in the U.S. we have declining capacity to REFINE the stuff.
Sorry, I'm just sick of the stupid, shit-ass IGNORANCE that passes for
"conventional wisdom" on the Left. You people know nothing about
economics, you know nothing about how markets work, and you are the last
to have the right to an opinion about any of it.
Go read your third-grader's social studies textbook. It is only bound to
increase your knowledge by a factor of ten or so, since you obviously
know ZILCH about the real world.
Useless tripe.
A Nengineer
> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
> rise up against oil companies and OPEC?
Aren't you Lefties gonna be surprised when the "grassroots revolt" turns
out to be aimed at YOU and your Enviro-Nazi tactics that have done
everything to make sure the U.S. has no energy independence.
Just wait: They'll find the body of that idiot on ABC News that tried to
say this is all about "global warming" and "now we need to get rid of
fossil fuels" swinging from a lamp-post on the Mississippi gulf coast
one day soon.
> gonna keep charging it if were gonna keep paying for it instead of drilling
> more of our own while working furiously to develop alternative sources
> of fuel.
1. We aren't allowed to "drill for our own." Eviro-Nazis have made sure
of that, using unelected judges to foist their will on the majority (Of
course, many of them may well be hanging from lamp-posts soon if they
don't shut the "F" up with this shit).
2. Oil companies have no control over crude prices. None. They don't
even pump the stuff any more since they're not allowed to do so (except
in very limited quantities) domestically, and all their exploration and
production was stolen--er--"nationalized" three decades ago elsewhere.
So just how is it YOU think they're "gouging" us when they have NO
CONTROL over crude oil prices?
(Of course, the shit-ass Lefty answer to this will be, like Hawaii:
price controls. Then the shit-ass Lefties will complain about gasoline
shortages.
(Idiots ought to be smothered in their beds for their own good--and that
of everyone else who actually works and makes the country work 'stead of
sitting around concocted lame-brain socio-economic "theories" the proof
of which can only be seen in the collapse of Soviet Russia and the
Eastern Bloc. Doesn't matter, though, they're "still right" no matter
how wrong they've been proven...)
A Nengineer
All we have to do is shoot the next Enviro-Nazi f'er that says "no
drilling in ANWR and no drilling off Calfornia, and no drilling off
Florida."
A couple of dead rotting Enviro-Nazi corpses, and suddenly things are
going to be so fresh and clear.
A Nengineer
> Something is seriously wrong with this system.
Yes. We should have hung the first Enviro-Nazi from the Lamp-post the
moment he graduated from college.
Ickygoo
profits and their stocks are going through the roof? If my company
sells less of a product at a higher price which isn't going into their
pockets, they will in turn lose money and their stock prices will
plummet. The exact opposite thing is happening with the oil industry.
The gasoline that went up 40 cents a gallon yesterday in my
neighborhood, was the same gas that was sitting in the same tank
underground the day before. If that isn't price gouging / raping the
American public, then I don't know what you call it!
Steve
David Kilpatrick
Mitch wrote:
> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
> rise up against oil companies and OPEC? $10 a gallon? 'Cause they're
> gonna keep charging it if were gonna keep paying for it instead of drilling
> more of our own while working furiously to develop alternative sources
> of fuel.
Welcome to Britain. We pay more or less $10 per gallon - certainly in
relation to salaries/other costs.
>
> FWIW, the stations are getting squeezed in all of this as well. My store
> of choice that used to do 5000 gal/week is now down to less than 3000.
>
> For my part, the V8 is gone in favor of a Toyota 1.8L four. I welcome
> suggestions or head's up about other creative ways to turn the screws
> on Big Oil and OPEC. The People will govern the price if The People
> are willing to do something. Until then, were getting what were asking
> for.
>
Last few vehicles - Cherokee 4 litre, Land Rover 2.5 litre, Subaru
Outback 2.5 etc.
Current vehicle - 1.4 l Mercedes A-Class
Safely averaging 45 miles per gallon and feels considerably better NOT
spending £80 ($130) a week on fuel!
David
Hedberg
wrote:
Oh, I so love to see the Christian perspective on things. What would
Jesus do? Open fire with an Uzi, of course.
john_...@berea.edu
A Nengineer wrote:
> All we have to do is shoot the next Enviro-Nazi f'er that says "no
> drilling in ANWR and no drilling off Calfornia, and no drilling off
> Florida."
>
> A couple of dead rotting Enviro-Nazi corpses, and suddenly things are
> going to be so fresh and clear.
You know man, you putrifry this newsgroup in the past, go away for
awhile, then come back and talk guitar content, general
observersations, in short, act like an authentic human citizen. But
with this, you've sunk to new lows for yourself and as far as I recall,
anyone whose ever posted to this group. I would say you should be
ashamed, but you are so far away from from haveing any respect for
anyone or anything other than your own obsence (and I use that word in
the fullest sense) mind that self-respect can't enter your equation.
At least I'll be won't be reading any posts from you anymore, and I
hope no one quotes parts of them after this so anyone would stumble
across you unintentionally.
John
Winston
million Illegals in the US. Mexico has plenty of oil and they are
sending their citizens to Texas in the tens of thousads every day.
TB
George Gleason
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perhaps it is not time to drill more but rather use less
find alternate fuels, work and live locally
this is going to decimate my business as I am getting extreme resistence
to need price increases
it seems people do not look with eyes wide open
they are saying my cost has only increased 20$ in fuel why the 200$
price increase, not taking in account that my costs are much more than
just the extra I pay at the pump
but rather everything I touch has been effected
from the price of shipping on goods I buy to the cost of repairs to the
cost of crew and food
there is no shortage of supply so more drilling will do nothing to reduce
prices
at the very basis of this problem is capitalism
they are chargeing this simply because they can
until the population does more than bitch then nothing will be done
as consumers we are responsible for controlling the market price
and until we stop buying the price will continue to rise
George
kees
you want to link them to an oilquota :-(
btw it's mexican oil, not murrican isn't it?
kees
no car at the moment, saves loads of money :-)
Love Avis, Herz etc.
hank alrich
> First of all, you Lefty enviro-whackos made sure that the domestic crude
> oil production here in the U.S. went to almost nothing.
Champ, the Age of Oil is almost over. You retarded neocons don't seem to
get that. But it will get you. Even globally speaking, there ain't
enough oil in the big picture to keep your motuh running, let alone your
car.
--
ha
hank alrich
You always wanted to be a real prick, but Oscar Meyer is all you can
show.
--
ha
hank alrich
> I went out to dinner tonight and passed a Hess station where the price
> was $2.67/gal.
>
> One hour later I passed the same station on the way home and the price
> was up to $2.89/gal.
>
> Do you think they really got a whole new shipment in of higher priced
> gas?
Here in the northern CA boonies one local station offers the lowest fuel
prices in Plumas county. They keep an almost hourly watch on what new
fuel is going to cost them, mainly so they know what they'll have to pay
for it tomorrow. But even they, doing their best to keep down the cost
of fuel, sometimes change the price mid-day.
--
ha
hank alrich
> All we have to do is shoot the next Enviro-Nazi f'er that says "no
> drilling in ANWR and no drilling off Calfornia, and no drilling off
> Florida."
>
> A couple of dead rotting Enviro-Nazi corpses, and suddenly things are
> going to be so fresh and clear.
Your ignorance makes dinsosaurs look genius. How ccome a "engineer"
can't do math? All the fuel reserves we have will run the show for
moments, relatively speaking, and your assholish call for murder to
support your petroleum habit is just that: an assholish call for murder.
Do the planet some good and kill yourself.
--
ha
hank alrich
The US comes to a standstill if the illegal workers leave. Too many
Americans are too grand to do the work those folks do, and our living
standards compel us to not accept entire extended families living in one
dwelling. Those "Illegals" have figured out how to cut overhead, and
work still means something to them, as in something honorable.
--
ha
Winston
"With 34 million low-wage workers in the current civilian labor force,
the problem to confront is not a shortage of low-skilled workers; it is
the oversupply of from nine to 12 million illegal immigrants that needs
to be addressed," writes Professor Vernon Briggs in "Guestworker
Programs -- Lessons from the Past and Warnings for the Future" from CIS
Real wages in the US are falling at their fastest rate in 14 years.
(Financial Times, May 10, 2005)
14 million Americans are unable to find full-time jobs in the current
economy. [Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)]
The unemployment rate among the 12 million American adults who do not
have a high school diploma is almost 9 percent. (BLS)
Forty percent of working-age African-American men are unemployed.
(BLS)
Jobs Americans Won't Do?
79 percent of the 23
million workers in service jobs are native-born Americans.
81 percent of the 6 million workers in construction jobs are
native-born Americans.
77 percent of the 10 million workers in production jobs are
native-born Americans.
"Since 1970, immigration has increased the number of unskilled job
applicants faster than the number of skilled job applicants. First-year
economics predicts that increasing the relative number of unskilled
workers will depress their wages, because employers will not need to
raise wages to attract applicants for unskilled jobs. Nonetheless,
those who favor an expansive immigration policy often deny that the
increase in the number of unskilled job applicants depresses wages for
unskilled work, arguing that unskilled immigrants take jobs that
natives do not want. This is sometimes true. But we still have to ask
why natives do not want these jobs. The reason is not that natives
reject demeaning or dangerous work. Almost every job that immigrants do
in Los Angeles or New York is done by natives in Detroit and
Philadelphia. When natives turn down such jobs in New York or Los
Angeles, the reason is that by local standards the wages are abysmal.
Far from proving that immigrants have no impact on natives, the fact
that American-born workers sometimes reject jobs that immigrants accept
reinforces the claim that immigration has depressed wages for unskilled
work."
- Christopher Jencks, Who Should Get In
Bob Dorgan
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Hank,
I love ya man....
I mean that in a very manly way, of course...
Dorgan
jetcode joe
see right off the shoreline ... oil rigs ... they look like sh*t and
the oil crisis is still here ... the problem is that big business
railroaded us into petroleum products ... the original Mercedes ran on
peanut oil ... lots of peanuts ... NO DRILLING IN ALASKA OR CALIFORNIA
... get on the clean alternative fuel bandwagon ... it's the only path
that makes sense ...
jetcode joe
lettuce for a living ... NO ONE ... so with out farm labor from Mexico
it would Hot Dogs and MacNCheese every frickin' night 'till you die ...
personally I appreciate what these folks do for us ...
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
Right on, Hank.
Blessed be the killfiles of our Agent.
I shouldn't be messing up the signal-to-noise ratio of the ng like
this, but I just wanted to say...this guy is a total waste of
protoplasm...and it disgusts me to share a name with him.
Sorry, Hank, I have him killfiled. I'll STF up now.
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Kol_Isha
"Ed Edelenbos" <ed...@spameasy.net> wrote in message news:
>
> Hmmm. I remember prices right around that, and uniformed men who would
> pump
> gas and check oil and water levels, wash windows,... and depending on the
> station, they would give you various bits... an Esso tiger, a Dino glass
> (Sinclair), etc. for a fillup.
>
> Damn. I'm ancient.
>
> Ed
No so much more ancient than the rest of us, Ed. :) I remember that tiger.
I used to collect them.... stuffed tigers that would be sold at the Esso
stations ("Put a Tiger in Your Tank"). And I remember that there were also
American and Sunoco stations... and the service guys would come out with
their squeegies to clean your windshield, and you'd say, "fill 'er up" and
leave with a clean car, a full tank of gas, and your oil and tires checked.
My very first car was a 1965 Buick Electra that I purchased in 1974 (as I
was graduating from college) for $100. The car had belonged to an elderly
neighbor who died, and his wife sold it for very cheap. It had very low
mileage on it (the old man hardly drove) and lasted a few years. In fact, I
still had it when I got married in 1978... my husband referred to it as a
"Pimp-mobile." The car was huge. I have no idea how big the gas tank
was... but it cost me $5.00 to fill it, and that seemed a fortune to me.
Last night, I filled my Lexus (which I can only afford to drive because my
husband works for Lexus so we get a great deal on a lease) ... which
unfortunately only takes premium... and it cost just about $50. (It was
$2.99 a gallon, but I suspect the price has climbed today.) It's
mind-boggling.
There are several useful websites which I've used in the past and will
definitely start using again: www.gasbuddy.com and www.gaspricewatch.com.
These sites allow you to input your zip code, and then tell you where the
cheapest gas in your community is.
I suppose it's also time to start thinking of ways to conserve. I would
ride a bike (Steve in FLA rides one frequently... maybe we could go tooting
around town together, Steve) except for the fact that the drivers in South
Florida are so bad (at 90 years old, half blind and with dementia, you can
still pretty much get your license renewed by mail) so I'd probably end up
getting killed. And South Florida is one of the worst examples of a
community that has almost no mass transit system. If I lived in Boston, I'd
be taking the MBTA. If I lived in San Francisco, I'd be taking BART. If I
lived in Philly, I would be taking SEPTA. But.... there are no choices like
that here and you can't get anywhere without a vehicle. I think we have to
start thinking differently about things.
--
Regards,
Arlene
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
"Kol_Isha" - A Woman's Voice
Harmon Koeltz
today. I worked my way through college in a gas station and cleaned a few
windshields. Highest I saw gas then was 37.9 cents.
Harmon
"Kol_Isha" <kol_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>Mitch wrote:
>
>> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
>> rise up against oil companies and OPEC?
>
>Aren't you Lefties gonna be surprised when the "grassroots revolt" turns
>out to be aimed at YOU and your Enviro-Nazi tactics that have done
>everything to make sure the U.S. has no energy independence.
>
>Just wait: They'll find the body of that idiot on ABC News that tried to
>say this is all about "global warming" and "now we need to get rid of
>fossil fuels" swinging from a lamp-post on the Mississippi gulf coast
>one day soon.
You think this hurricane has nothing to do with global warming? How
about all the other hurricanes lately? Have you noticed a peculiar
increase in the number of hurricanes hitting the gulf in the last few
years? Why do you suppose that is?
Do you dispute that global warming is occurring at all, or just that
human activity is causing it?
Wilbur Slice
>If the oil companies aren't raping us, why are they reporting record
>profits and their stocks are going through the roof? If my company
>sells less of a product at a higher price which isn't going into their
>pockets, they will in turn lose money and their stock prices will
>plummet. The exact opposite thing is happening with the oil industry.
>
>The gasoline that went up 40 cents a gallon yesterday in my
>neighborhood, was the same gas that was sitting in the same tank
>underground the day before. If that isn't price gouging / raping the
>American public, then I don't know what you call it!
>
>
FWIW, there are a number of ways that a business decides how much to
charge for their product. You can charge the cost of the goods plus
some markup. or you can charge the cost of replacing the inventory
plus markup, etc. In a retail business such as gasoline (or
groceries, etc.) they typically charge the cost of replacement (plus
markup). So if the stuff THEY buy (to replenish their inventory)
changes (up or down), it affects the cost they charge the consumer
immeditately, even though they already have the goods in their
inventory.
There are reasons why they do things this way, but I think it might
require an advanced degree in business to explain it all.
Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>How about a barrell of crude paid to the US for each of the 11-15
>million Illegals in the US. Mexico has plenty of oil and they are
>sending their citizens to Texas in the tens of thousads every day.
>
Are you suggesting that each Mexican who wants to enter the US could
just lug a barrel of oil to the border crossing and fork it over as
the cost of entry?
Hedberg
>A Nengineer <Wh...@MeWorry.Net> wrote:
>
>> First of all, you Lefty enviro-whackos made sure that the domestic crude
>> oil production here in the U.S. went to almost nothing.
>
>Champ, the Age of Oil is almost over.
No, it's not. Petroleum fuels will become more expensive and
substitutes/alternatives will appear, but anyone who wants to pay the
price will have all the oil desired, probably for the next 100-200
years at least. What appears to be over is the age of almost free
oil.
>You retarded neocons don't seem to
>get that. But it will get you. Even globally speaking, there ain't
>enough oil in the big picture to keep your motuh running, let alone your
>car.
Eventually, oil production and oil consumption will decline, but vast
quantities of crude are still available for production and as the
price of crude increases, supplies that are not currently economic to
produce will be exploited.
There isn't enough oil available at $20/bbl, but there's a lot
available at $80 to $100.
Harold
Winston
contributors.
TB
Hedberg
<wil...@wilburslice.com> wrote:
[...]
>
>You think this hurricane has nothing to do with global warming? How
>about all the other hurricanes lately? Have you noticed a peculiar
>increase in the number of hurricanes hitting the gulf in the last few
>years? Why do you suppose that is?
>
>Do you dispute that global warming is occurring at all, or just that
>human activity is causing it?
>
Quite clearly, so the scientists tell us, the surface of the earth has
been getting warmer. They also tell us that part of this warming is
due to human activity and part of it is due to other things. There is
no consensus among scientists as to how much is due to human activity
and how much warming might be affected by changes in human activity.
There are some rough predictions, but nobody really knows. This
doesn't mean, I don't think, that we should ignore the probability
that human activity is responsible for some warming; we should, to
the best of our ability, try to understand what is happening and the
consequences of various actions/inactions.
But, as to the frequency and severity of hurricanes, it is my
understanding that the scientific consensus is that global warming has
little or nothing to do with it. See, for example:
<http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/national/30cycle.html>
where we find:
"Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume
that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global
warming.
But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of
hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several
decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much
natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at
Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane
season."
Some scientists think that there may be some link between global
warming and tropical storms. The NYT article refers to a "hurricane
expert" at MIT named Emanuel who thinks there might be a link though
he is quoted as saying that what has occurred during the last two
years is mostly natural rather than global warming linked.
William D Clinger
spotted a Leftist tilt to this thread:
> Sorry, I'm just sick of the stupid, shit-ass IGNORANCE that passes for
> "conventional wisdom" on the Left.
Thank you for correcting that imbalance.
Will
Mästerkatten
involved here but after reading his posts I can't help but notice that
A Nengineer has a definite anger which appears unwarranted from the
topics and comments he weighs in on. You have to wonder what's behind
the vituperative comments.
There is also the likely possibility that he is an instigator who likes
to make harsh and controversial comments and then enjoys sitting back
and watching the arguments that ensue.
Either scenario, or both, are possible. I would simply ignore his
sniping comments. Remember the wise saying: "Never argue with a fool
for, if you do, then he will be doing the same".
Steve in FLA
Winston
TB
John Sorell
news:1125603816....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Steve,
I figured if Arlene was introducing you to this group then you must be a
good guy. You just validated that.
But then again, Arlene could be up to something sinister by introducing
you to this group....
John
Mästerkatten
possibility of that secret life I mused about concerning odd rituals
performed in rural locations under the guise of musical gatherings.
They do practice Santeria down here.
Steve in FLA
Chris Rockcliffe
> On 1 Sep 2005 03:16:23 -0700, "Ickygoo" <steve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are reasons why they do things this way, but I think it might
> require an advanced degree in business to explain it all.
LOL. So now I need an advanced degree to spot blatant opportunistic
corporate greed and exploitation ?
CR
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
>
>
> Mitch wrote:
>
>
>> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
>> rise up against oil companies and OPEC? $10 a gallon? 'Cause they're
>> gonna keep charging it if were gonna keep paying for it instead of
>> drilling
>> more of our own while working furiously to develop alternative sources
>> of fuel.
>
>
> Welcome to Britain. We pay more or less $10 per gallon - certainly in
> relation to salaries/other costs.
>
>>
>> FWIW, the stations are getting squeezed in all of this as well. My store
>> of choice that used to do 5000 gal/week is now down to less than 3000.
>>
>> For my part, the V8 is gone in favor of a Toyota 1.8L four. I welcome
>> suggestions or head's up about other creative ways to turn the screws
>> on Big Oil and OPEC. The People will govern the price if The People
>> are willing to do something. Until then, were getting what were asking
>> for.
>>
> Last few vehicles - Cherokee 4 litre, Land Rover 2.5 litre, Subaru
> Outback 2.5 etc.
>
> Current vehicle - 1.4 l Mercedes A-Class
>
> Safely averaging 45 miles per gallon and feels considerably better NOT
> spending £80 ($130) a week on fuel!
>
> David
>
Hmmm. Never thought of a Benz as an economy car. My wife has an old
230C--I think the 4 cyl. engine is 2.3L. It's city driving, but I don't
think she even gets 15 mi/gal. I have a Toyota Camry, I think the
displacement is about 2.4, and I don't think I get much better. Of
course, a lot of that gas is being burned stuck in traffic.
Steve
--
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http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
John Sorell
news:1125605658.5...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Santeria? Does that have anything to do with sheep?
John
Debra Cowan
> "Lucy" <s...@ctitech.com> wrote in message
> news:1125546567....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Lucy
>>
>
>
> gas and check oil and water levels, wash windows,... and depending on the
> station, they would give you various bits... an Esso tiger, a Dino glass
> (Sinclair), etc. for a fillup.
>
> Damn. I'm ancient.
>
> Ed
>
>
hanging out of the tank of our '61 Plymouth station wagon.
And according to Pete Gay, I am just a kid! ;)
Deb
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<dco...@DebraSPAMMENOTCowan.com> wrote:
> And according to Pete Gay, I am just a kid! ;)
>
> Deb
In comparison with Pete...you are!
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email: LP "at" LarryPattis "dot" com
http://www.LarryPattis.com
Mästerkatten
the closest Santeria group.
Steve in FLA
Winston
for a head of lettuce.
TB
Winston
over the oil for the ones that are here and then close the damn
borders.
TB
jetcode joe
Ed Edelenbos
news:1125611964....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
If only they had done so the day your ancestors arrived.
sigh
Ed
Winston
jtougas
>Mitch wrote:
>
>> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
>> rise up against oil companies and OPEC?
>
>Aren't you Lefties gonna be surprised when the "grassroots revolt" turns
>out to be aimed at YOU and your Enviro-Nazi tactics that have done
>everything to make sure the U.S. has no energy independence.
So, um, I take it then that you believe solar power, wind power,
hydroelectric power, and clean coal are all underhanded attempts by
environmentalists to enslave the U.S. to foriegn oil?
Yeah... sure... that makes sense...
Look in the mirror as you call out 'fucking moron', and make sure it
doesn't apply to you, too.
jtougas
listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go
e.e. cummings
jtougas
<bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>> Current vehicle - 1.4 l Mercedes A-Class
>>
>> Safely averaging 45 miles per gallon and feels considerably better NOT
>> spending £80 ($130) a week on fuel!
>>
>> David
>>
>
> Hmmm. Never thought of a Benz as an economy car.
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Mercedes_A140__79185
To my knowledge, the A-class Mercedes' have never even been marketed
in the U.S. due to 'lack of interest'.
I reckon that'll vhange fairly quickly...
Geezer
"Winston" <winst...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125611964....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
So then, can we assume that ALL of your ancestors are Native Americans?
Geezer
Steven Bornfeld
jtougas wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:26:25 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfe...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Current vehicle - 1.4 l Mercedes A-Class
>>>
>>>Safely averaging 45 miles per gallon and feels considerably better NOT
>>>spending £80 ($130) a week on fuel!
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm. Never thought of a Benz as an economy car.
>
>
> http://www.ciao.co.uk/Mercedes_A140__79185
>
> To my knowledge, the A-class Mercedes' have never even been marketed
> in the U.S. due to 'lack of interest'.
>
> I reckon that'll vhange fairly quickly...
>
> jtougas
I shudda listened when my wife wanted to get a Prius.
Steve
>
> listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
> let's go
>
> e.e. cummings
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Santeria but we would drink Sangria if ye brought some.
--
Tom from Texas
(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers takes no
responsibility for any hurt feelings, damage to equipment or pets due to
spewed beverages, or the opinions expressed in posts. And if yall don't
like it ye can kiss my grits.)
"Mästerkatten" <glic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Sorell
news:mlMRe.4526$oJ2....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
> No, Steve, John prefers his sheep alive and kickin'. BTW, we don't
> practice Santeria but we would drink Sangria if ye brought some.
>
"Please don't hurt me, mama..."
John
Mästerkatten
Tom from Texas wrote:
> No, Steve, John prefers his sheep alive and kickin'. BTW, we don't practice
> Santeria but we would drink Sangria if ye brought some.
>
> --
> Tom from Texas
> (The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers takes no
> responsibility for any hurt feelings, damage to equipment or pets due to
> spewed beverages, or the opinions expressed in posts. And if yall don't
> like it ye can kiss my grits.)
> >
Gee Tom,
Judging from the posts I've seen about the upcoming TX6, I thought
y'all only drank beer. We can always make some sangria. By the way,
would you accept a small Martin guitar for the fund?
Steve in FLA
No Busking
>> require an advanced degree in business to explain it all.
>
> LOL. So now I need an advanced degree to spot blatant opportunistic
> corporate greed and exploitation ?
Try this.
You have 2 potatoes, for which you paid $0.10 each. The cost of buying new
potatoes skyrockets to $100 each, and there's nothing else around to eat.
You think that potatoes will probably be cheaper next week, but you're not
sure. Your neighbor is hungry, and wants to buy a potato.
What do you charge him?
- Mike Pugh
Mike McCollum
"No Busking" <nobu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125621976.2e29d2e60c506f0e7ee7ae6d080470bd@meganetnews2...
Nothing..you combine 'em, make mashed 'taters and see if you can find some
chicken.
Mike
jetcode joe
nothing ... you get together and add your potatoes ... he add's his
carrots and you have a community meal together like old times ...
Tom from Texas
maybe from A. Nenny or Brasshole...Moose and Spike do have a modicum of
pride). BTW, we also accept Kinscherffs, Dunwells, Leaches, McCollums,
anything with North in the name, Carruths, Mauels, Wingerts, McAlisters,
Gibsons, Larrivees, Guilds, etc.
We do prefer Framus, Silvertone, and Harmonys, however.
--
Tom from Texas
(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers takes no
responsibility for any hurt feelings, damage to equipment or pets due to
spewed beverages, or the opinions expressed in posts. And if yall don't
like it ye can kiss my grits.)
"Mästerkatten" <glic...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Winston
TB
George W.
>Mike McCollum wrote:
>
>> Something is seriously wrong with this system.
>
>Yes. We should have hung the first Enviro-Nazi from the Lamp-post the
>moment he graduated from college.
Man....
Bill, your brief moments of civility may cause some people to forget
what a total asshole you are but most of us know better. Your posts in
this and other recent threads should clear that up once and for all.
You really are a useless piece of shit.
G.
D Kennedy
wrote:
>....shut the "F" up with this shit).
Ever considered taking your OWN "advice?"
--
Dave
Upper Texas Gulf Coast USA
1979 Yamaha FG-365S & 2003 Yamaha YRS-24B
and a Kay banjo & a Feadóg Irish whistle
Misifus
Just to clarify - at a TX gathering we do drink beer.
...and wine, and single-malts, and Wellers, and that's just off
the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:raf_s...@cox.net
http://www.ralphandsue.com
Misifus
> Mitch wrote:
>
>> So it makes me wonder.....what's it gonna take for a grassroots revolt to
>> rise up against oil companies and OPEC?
>
>
> Aren't you Lefties gonna be surprised when the "grassroots revolt" turns
> out to be aimed at YOU and your Enviro-Nazi tactics that have done
> everything to make sure the U.S. has no energy independence.
>
> Just wait: They'll find the body of that idiot on ABC News that tried to
> say this is all about "global warming" and "now we need to get rid of
> fossil fuels" swinging from a lamp-post on the Mississippi gulf coast
> one day soon.
>
>> gonna keep charging it if were gonna keep paying for it instead of
>> drilling
>> more of our own while working furiously to develop alternative sources
>> of fuel.
>
>
> 1. We aren't allowed to "drill for our own." Eviro-Nazis have made sure
> of that, using unelected judges to foist their will on the majority (Of
> course, many of them may well be hanging from lamp-posts soon if they
> don't shut the "F" up with this shit).
>
> 2. Oil companies have no control over crude prices. None. They don't
> even pump the stuff any more since they're not allowed to do so (except
> in very limited quantities) domestically, and all their exploration and
> production was stolen--er--"nationalized" three decades ago elsewhere.
I'm sorry, but the United States is the third largest producer of
petroleum in the world. Right up until the hurricane, that is.
Yes, there are effects of the environmental movement, but we
really haven't stopped producing oil.
Misifus
>
> 1. We aren't allowed to "drill for our own." Eviro-Nazis have made sure
> of that, using unelected judges to foist their will on the majority (Of
> course, many of them may well be hanging from lamp-posts soon if they
> don't shut the "F" up with this shit).
>
> 2. Oil companies have no control over crude prices. None. They don't
> even pump the stuff any more since they're not allowed to do so (except
> in very limited quantities) domestically,
Just a few facts: Saudi Arabia produces about 10.4 million
bbls/day, Russia about 9.4 million, and the US about 8.7 million
bbls/day. Everybody else, Nigeria, Indonesia, Venezuela,
produces less.
Misifus
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:50:40 -0500, Wilbur Slice
> <wil...@wilburslice.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>>You think this hurricane has nothing to do with global warming? How
>>about all the other hurricanes lately? Have you noticed a peculiar
>>increase in the number of hurricanes hitting the gulf in the last few
>>years? Why do you suppose that is?
>>
>>Do you dispute that global warming is occurring at all, or just that
>>human activity is causing it?
>>
>
>
> Quite clearly, so the scientists tell us, the surface of the earth has
> been getting warmer. They also tell us that part of this warming is
> due to human activity and part of it is due to other things. There is
> no consensus among scientists as to how much is due to human activity
> and how much warming might be affected by changes in human activity.
> There are some rough predictions, but nobody really knows. This
> doesn't mean, I don't think, that we should ignore the probability
> that human activity is responsible for some warming; we should, to
> the best of our ability, try to understand what is happening and the
> consequences of various actions/inactions.
>
> But, as to the frequency and severity of hurricanes, it is my
> understanding that the scientific consensus is that global warming has
> little or nothing to do with it. See, for example:
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/national/30cycle.html>
> where we find:
>
> "Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume
> that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global
> warming.
>
> But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of
> hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several
> decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much
> natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at
> Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane
> season."
>
> Some scientists think that there may be some link between global
> warming and tropical storms. The NYT article refers to a "hurricane
> expert" at MIT named Emanuel who thinks there might be a link though
> he is quoted as saying that what has occurred during the last two
> years is mostly natural rather than global warming linked.
I believe the frequency of hurricanes in the last couple of years
is comparable to the occurances of the 1950's. So, fifty years
ago there was a similar surge in the numbers of serious storms.
Iirc, there were very serious storms at about the turn of the
last century. Is this a pattern? Possibly, not one I'd bet a
lot of money on, but the rise and fall of the numbers of serious
hurricanes does seem to vary on a regular basis. Since global
warming, whatever the causes, has been steadily increasing over
the last century or so, it's unlikely to be the cause of a
cyclical pattern in storms.
Bob Alman
> An asshole wrote:
>>
>> 1. We aren't allowed to "drill for our own." Eviro-Nazis have made sure
>> of that, using unelected judges to foist their will on the majority (Of
>> course, many of them may well be hanging from lamp-posts soon if they
>> don't shut the "F" up with this shit).
>>
>> 2. Oil companies have no control over crude prices. None. They don't
>> even pump the stuff any more since they're not allowed to do so (except
>> in very limited quantities) domestically,
> Just a few facts: Saudi Arabia produces about 10.4 million
> bbls/day, Russia about 9.4 million, and the US about 8.7 million
> bbls/day. Everybody else, Nigeria, Indonesia, Venezuela,
> produces less.
> -Raf
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/51075.pdf
--
Bob Alman
D Kennedy
wrote:
>No so much more ancient than the rest of us, Ed. :) I remember that tiger.
>I used to collect them.... stuffed tigers that would be sold at the Esso
>stations ("Put a Tiger in Your Tank"). And I remember that there were also
>American and Sunoco stations... and the service guys would come out with
>their squeegies to clean your windshield, and you'd say, "fill 'er up" and
>leave with a clean car, a full tank of gas, and your oil and tires checked.
And way back in high school I was one of those FULL service guys that
put a tiger in your tank (in Palm Bay, Florida at the Palm Bay Enco on
US-1). :o)
Remember when gas war meant stations competed for the lowest price
instead of the highest price?
Misifus
Apples and oranges, I believe. I was merely refuting Bill's
claims that the US didn't have control over its' production anymore.
RAY BOYCE
"Misifus" <raf_s...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dqPRe.8292$dm.2642@lakeread03...
Raf you may be right on, even more than you know.
I remember they did a fifty year (half sine) and fifty year (other half
sine) wave pattern for severe temperature and weather patterns at the
North/South Poles.... as an excercise in College Trig/pre-calc and in 124
they had us do functions on it.
Foldedpath
@lakeread03:
> I believe the frequency of hurricanes in the last couple of years
> is comparable to the occurances of the 1950's. So, fifty years
> ago there was a similar surge in the numbers of serious storms.
> Iirc, there were very serious storms at about the turn of the
> last century. Is this a pattern? Possibly, not one I'd bet a
> lot of money on, but the rise and fall of the numbers of serious
> hurricanes does seem to vary on a regular basis. Since global
> warming, whatever the causes, has been steadily increasing over
> the last century or so, it's unlikely to be the cause of a
> cyclical pattern in storms.
Yeah, there are cycles within cycles, and nobody really knows what's
going on.
I'm a South Florida native who remembers the storms of my childhood like
Donna, when I had to help push towels under the front door to keep water
from seeping into my parents' house. Later in life, I remember thinking,
all the way through the 70's and especially the 80's.... where are all
the hurricanes? What happened?
There was a big lull in activity during that period, when (compared to
the historical record) we should have experienced major storms. Instead,
it was a very quiet period... which unfortunately lulled many people
into a false sense of security, and contributed to the building
standards that made Andrew such a disaster, later on. It was even
getting to the point where the ecology of Florida Bay was getting
seriously messed up (too stagnant), because it wasn't getting the
regular flushing and sediment removal that the big storms provide.
Hurricanes cause massive negative impact on human populations, but they
actually serve a purpose in local ecologies like that.
Hurricane Andrew was the wakeup call that reminded people that these
things are NORMAL for the area. And the Florida Keys are way overdue for
a killer storm.
Mike Barrs
JD
>Misifus <raf_s...@cox.net> wrote in news:dqPRe.8292$dm.2642
>@lakeread03:
>
>
>
>>I believe the frequency of hurricanes in the last couple of years
>>is comparable to the occurances of the 1950's. So, fifty years
>>ago there was a similar surge in the numbers of serious storms.
>>Iirc, there were very serious storms at about the turn of the
>>last century. Is this a pattern? Possibly, not one I'd bet a
>>lot of money on, but the rise and fall of the numbers of serious
>>hurricanes does seem to vary on a regular basis. Since global
>>warming, whatever the causes, has been steadily increasing over
>>the last century or so, it's unlikely to be the cause of a
>>cyclical pattern in storms.
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, there are cycles within cycles, and nobody really knows what's
>going on.
>
>I'm a South Florida native who remembers the storms of my childhood like
>Donna,
>
I was in the 3rd grade at Boynton Beach Elementary when Donna hit. Like
most Yankee transplants my mom had no clue and let me go out in it. It's
amazing how fast a Radio Flier will go with a sheet and a broomstick mast.
> when I had to help push towels under the front door to keep water
>from seeping into my parents' house. Later in life, I remember thinking,
>all the way through the 70's and especially the 80's.... where are all
>the hurricanes? What happened?
>
>
No kidding. I just missed Andrew but conventional wisdom around St
Petersburg was that the hurricanes always went around them. Indeed, St.
Pete hadn't had a direct hit in 100 years prior to Andrew
JD
hank alrich
> Arrest them, deport them, and close the borders. I will pay $.50 more
> for a head of lettuce.
That and picking it will get you a head of lettuce.
--
ha
Bob Dorgan
"No Busking" <nobu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1125621976.2e29d2e60c506f0e7ee7ae6d080470bd@meganetnews2...
You charge him between 200 and 300 or you won't be in business the next day.
Mike, you're wasting your time. Very few people understand the basic laws of
business, even though it only takes a 2nd grade math education to run one.
Dorgan
No Busking
> You charge him between 200 and 300 or you won't be in business the next
> day.
> Mike, you're wasting your time. Very few people understand the basic laws
> of business, even though it only takes a 2nd grade math education to run
> one.
Yeah, I know. It just seemed worth a shot. Pricing isn't complicated, but
there's more to it than multiplying the cost of the exact goods for sale by
1.x.
The mistake I made in the story was using the term "neighbor", because it
implied a relationship in non-economic terms. Sharing the potato is a noble
response, but in this context it implies an economic model that wasn't
terribly successful in the last century.
The story works better this way, "Some guy drives up in a car and wants to
buy a potato, what do you charge him?"
If the cost of gasoline is rising quickly, station owners HAVE to increase
their prices no matter what they paid for the petrol sitting in their tanks.
I'm not denying that price gouging happens, but raising commodity prices
coincident with commodity cost increases is NOT necessarily gouging, even if
you're selling from existing inventory.
BTW...if my neighbor is hungry, and I'm able...I'll feed him. I hope that
people who know me would assume that.
Cheers,
Mike
Bob Dorgan
> You mean Injuns?
> TB
It's a strange phenomena.....
The way a tragedy can bring out the best in good people, and something not
so good in assclowns.
Dorgan
Bob Dorgan
I'm hungry.
What's for breakfast?
You know....In the metal fabrication business, we've been experiencing steep
price increases in material for over a year.
It takes a lot of thought to maintain competitive prices, remain profitable
and control inventory to a level that makes any sense.
I raise prices incrementally even in the face of a steep increase, UNLESS I
am buying all the material for a job and not taking anything from inventory.
When I mix new, higher price material with in-house inventory, on a project,
the price is somehwere in the middle.
I also watch the futures market closely to help foresee when, or if a
reduction, or a spike increase may occur.
Oil vendors do the same. All well run businesses watch their cash flow as
well as their bottom line.
You know all this, but I don't think that others do understand that current
retail price changes may not exactly match raw material prices. There's
quite often a lag in reducing prices when there's a glut, and quite often a
spike in retail for a PROJECTED increase in raw material.
That's what we're seeing now. There are strong indications (hell, there are
certainties here) that the cost of crude will raise exponentially. The cost
of refined gas on the wholesale market will spike far higher than we're
seeing today and the retailers have to brace for it.
Dorgan
Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>>What do you charge him?
>
>nothing ... you get together and add your potatoes ... he add's his
>carrots and you have a community meal together like old times ...
And call it "Soviet Stew", and after the 5-year plan, nobody will have
ANY potatoes.
Wilbur Slice
<chrisro...@scripto99.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Wilbur Slice1/9/05 5:55 PM
>
>> On 1 Sep 2005 03:16:23 -0700, "Ickygoo" <steve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> There are reasons why they do things this way, but I think it might
>> require an advanced degree in business to explain it all.
>
>LOL. So now I need an advanced degree to spot blatant opportunistic
>corporate greed and exploitation ?
Apparently so.
hank alrich
> You mean Injuns?
> TB
No, he means Precolumbian Indigenous People. But there isn't evidence
you have ancestry of that caliber.
--
ha
john_...@berea.edu
Bob: Some people don't need an excuse. It's just a matter of time.
John
Bob Alman
> Bob Alman wrote:
>> Misifus <raf_s...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>An asshole wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>1. We aren't allowed to "drill for our own." Eviro-Nazis have made sure
>>>>of that, using unelected judges to foist their will on the majority (Of
>>>>course, many of them may well be hanging from lamp-posts soon if they
>>>>don't shut the "F" up with this shit).
>>>>
>>>>2. Oil companies have no control over crude prices. None. They don't
>>>>even pump the stuff any more since they're not allowed to do so (except
>>>>in very limited quantities) domestically,
>>
>>
>>>Just a few facts: Saudi Arabia produces about 10.4 million
>>>bbls/day, Russia about 9.4 million, and the US about 8.7 million
>>>bbls/day. Everybody else, Nigeria, Indonesia, Venezuela,
>>>produces less.
>>
>>
>>> -Raf
>>
>>
>> http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/51075.pdf
Sorry Raf, I wasn't trying to say anything against
what you posted, since I agree with you. What
this report shows is that the companies are doing
FAR more than passing along the cost of crude.
--
Bob Alman
George W.
Heh, heh. Assclowns......<g>
G.
Misifus
Oh, I remember modelling excercises like that. Now, you want to
predict when they'll do the one about dropping a cannon ball into
a hole through the middle of the earth? <g>
Ed Edelenbos
>
> The story works better this way, "Some guy drives up in a car and wants to
> buy a potato, what do you charge him?"
>
Actually, I think, the story works better if you have a potato farm. Your
field is a quarter mile behind you and you only have a couple with you at
your roadside stand. Do you charge more because you will have to go get
some more before you open your stand tomorrow? Do you charge more for the
rest of the week because there will be a community potato salad festival
this weekend? Or because the local chicken farm burned to the ground?
People need to eat after all.
If you can make up a meaningless scenario, so can I. I just think your "I
have 2 potatoes story" doesn't represent the situation accurately. But then
my 2nd grade education might not be up to Dorgans specs.
> If the cost of gasoline is rising quickly, station owners HAVE to increase
> their prices no matter what they paid for the petrol sitting in their
> tanks. I'm not denying that price gouging happens, but raising commodity
> prices coincident with commodity cost increases is NOT necessarily
> gouging, even if you're selling from existing inventory.
I don't think anyone is complaining about the station owners, Mike. (Well,
there was one station here in Baltimore that had reg. at $4.97 and hi-test
at $6.99... that is gouging, but it is also not typical.)
>
> BTW...if my neighbor is hungry, and I'm able...I'll feed him. I hope that
> people who know me would assume that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike
I didn't assume so, I knew it. (grin)
Ed