Best Acoustic Pickups for Open Mike Nights
DanielleOM
I have heard a lot of people hear mention the K&K pure western mini and my
local luthier friend likes the Fishman matrix. They seem to be very
different products.
I was wondering if people have come to favour particular one or the other or
perhaps other systems for open mike venues where the performer really does
not really have any control as to what happens after the guitar.
Thanks in advance.
Danielle
Mike Brown
I use K&K for open mic nights, but I use it with a PADI, so I do have
some control.
A good sound man will give you good sound, a bad sound man can stuff up
whatever you give him.
MJRB
amaril...@yahoo.com
like the K%K as well.
Ed Edelenbos
"Mike Brown" <rock...@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
news:4ad2...@news.comindico.com.au...
Wow... what he said.
I like the K&K with the K&K preamp. This is good (or great even) for up to
moderate sound levels, like a typical open mic. I'm sure of the signal that
is leaving my equipment. Like Mike says, what happens after that is up to
whoever is running sound
Ed.
DanielleOM
For open mikes I sometimes wonder if it's better to give the sound man an
active signal. I sometimes get the impression they are really not set up to
handle low output passive signals.
Bill Chandler
<danie...@reply.to.group.com> brewed up the following, and served it
to the group:
Danielle--PUTW with a Baggs PADI. http://www.pick-uptheworld.com is
the website. I've used the #27 for many years; always been happy with
the sound.
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don hindenach
wrote:
Danielle,
I guess you need to decide first if you want your guitar to perhaps sound like
an acoustic guitar or if you'd rather have it sound like the
steel-mallets-on-barbed-wire sound of a Fishman pickup.
The Fishman will likely be able to let you sound LOUDER, if that's worth
something to you. It's a "safe" choice, as it's all over loud stages
everywhere and is the "acoustic" sound the AM-radio/MTV public is expecting.
I prefer the K&K, others prefer the PUTW or B-band or Mackentyre(sp?). These
manufacturers at least *try* for actual acoustic sound.
I have had better personal luck in playing open-mic venues with the K&K than the
PUTW, likely due in part to the much higher output of the K&K. I have run
openmics where someone walked in with a Fishman - they loved what *I did, but I
was unimpressed with what they fed me to work with .....
--
-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com
anyt...@contractorcom.com
I use an EMG undersaddle pup for my gigging acoustic. It needs a
battery but there's no onboard EQ - mine is set up at about 1/4 of
it's potential output so whoever is doing sound needs to drive it a
bit because there's not much coming out of the guitar, which means it
doesn't feed back easily and gives a pretty much true sound.
Pete
hank alrich
I was unwilling to use any of the several systems I tried until I got a
K&K Pure Western in a J-50, and now have a Pure Western Mini in a
McCollum GA.
The Pure Western has been moved to a century-old generic parlor guitar,
and a PWM put into the J50. The Pure Western offered substantially more
low end than needed, which works well in the parlor, which I use for
slide.
My personal best instrument preamp for all these is the Red-Eye from
Fire Eye Development in Austin TX.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
hank alrich
Hence, my use of the Red-Eye instrument preamp. Whatever is on the other
end will work well with it. If the house system offers phantom power the
Red-Eye battery is saved for next time, automatically.
Rick Ruskin
<danie...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
Try this one: "Do you strum here often?"
Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
hank alrich
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:04:26 -0400, "DanielleOM"
> <danie...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
>
> >I still have not decided on a pickup to try in my acoustic guitars.
> >
> >I have heard a lot of people hear mention the K&K pure western mini and my
> >local luthier friend likes the Fishman matrix. They seem to be very
> >different products.
> >
> >I was wondering if people have come to favour particular one or the other or
> >perhaps other systems for open mike venues where the performer really does
> >not really have any control as to what happens after the guitar.
> >
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> Try this one: "Do you strum here often?"
"Wanna feel my walrus tusk?"
"You're not flat, but you sure can pick."
"Ever stroked a tortoise out of its shell?"
"Is that a capo in your pocket or are you already a few steps high?"
(Jus' for the wreckerd, Butte Creek Organic India Pale Ale is most
excellent.)
Misifus
I've tried PUTW and I don't care for them. I've installed a K&K PWM
myself, and I like it a lot. I do prefer to run it through a preamp, in
my case a PADI with an adaptor box I cobbled up to load it with a 1 meg
impedance load. A K&K preamp would present the same load to the pickup.
The only other pickup I would put on a par with the K&K mini is the
Highlander IP-1. However, the IP-1 requires very careful installation
by someone who knows what that pickup needs. The K&K is far less demanding.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Mike Brown
They should be.
If you are serious about providing decent sound you should have a PADI
or something similar in your kit.
MJRB
Tony Done
"DanielleOM" <danie...@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
news:hatkpl$b1l$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I've got a Baggs M1 Active soundhole pickup. It is very acoustic in quality,
in spite of being based on magnetics. However, it does pick up a lot of
stray guitar sounds like string noise and touching the top. It is also
bright, and I added a switchable treble-cut. More basic soundhole pickups
are good if you prefer a smoother somewhat electric sound, but I wouldn't
buy any soundhole pickup that didn't have adjustable pole pieces to get
string-to-string balance where you want it. I like that electric sound much
better than the Takamine or Fishman jangle, but each to his own.
Tony D
Colin Irvine
following:
I had always been reluctant to fit a pickup to my Martin M36 until I
went to see Martin Simpson one night. I really liked the rich
acoustic-like sound that his guitar (a Sobell) made. It turned out it
was fitted with a Highlander pickup, which is what Stefan Sobell uses
as standard.
Googling around I found, as Raf says, that fitting needs to be done by
an expert. I duly arranged a weekend trip to the only fitter I liked
the sound of, and he put me in an iP-1. It took a few weeks to settle
in. but now I get compliments in turn about how nice the guitar
sounds.
--
Colin Irvine
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
hank alrich
I agree, and prior to the K&K PWM the best I'd gotten was from an old
Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup that is magnetic and also quite
microphonic. I probably wouldn't have gotten the K&K had the Lawrence
fit into the larger soundhole of the McCollum.
levi
> Tony Done <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > "DanielleOM" <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
Hi Hank,
I have one of those Lawrence pickups that I
found in a pawnshop...but soon enough, the
wire into 1/4" plug broke off. I'd like
to fix it...do you know which part of the
wire goes to which part of the plug?
hank alrich
> On Oct 12, 8:56 am, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
> > Tony Done <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > "DanielleOM" <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote in message
> > >news:hatkpl$b1l$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > >I still have not decided on a pickup to try in my acoustic guitars.
> >
> > > > I have heard a lot of people hear mention the K&K pure western mini
> > > > and my local luthier friend likes the Fishman matrix. They seem to
> > > > be very different products.
> >
> > > > I was wondering if people have come to favour particular one or the
> > > > other or perhaps other systems for open mike venues where the
> > > > performer really does not really have any control as to what happens
> > > > after the guitar.
> >
> > > > Thanks in advance.
> > > I've got a Baggs M1 Active soundhole pickup. It is very acoustic in
> > > quality, in spite of being based on magnetics. However, it does pick
> > > up a lot of stray guitar sounds like string noise and touching the
> > > top. It is also bright, and I added a switchable treble-cut. More
> > > basic soundhole pickups are good if you prefer a smoother somewhat
> > > electric sound, but I wouldn't buy any soundhole pickup that didn't
> > > have adjustable pole pieces to get string-to-string balance where you
> > > want it. I like that electric sound much better than the Takamine or
> > > Fishman jangle, but each to his own.
> > I agree, and prior to the K&K PWM the best I'd gotten was from an old
> > Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup that is magnetic and also quite
> > microphonic. I probably wouldn't have gotten the K&K had the Lawrence
> > fit into the larger soundhole of the McCollum.
> Hi Hank,
>
> I have one of those Lawrence pickups that I
> found in a pawnshop...but soon enough, the
> wire into 1/4" plug broke off. I'd like
> to fix it...do you know which part of the
> wire goes to which part of the plug?
Did it break at the plug end, or at the pickup end?
Typically there should be a single conductor and a shield; the conductor
would go to the tip of a 1/4" TS plug, and the shield to the ring
thereof.
levi
Plug end.
I couldn't even get the plug to come apart
and check it out, so I figured I'd go find
a replacement plug and fix it.
I just now looked at a similar plug on my
"George L's" insertable pickup. It seems
as if the wire is just pushed into the plug
and the set screw pushes into the shielding.
This pickup has spotty results, so I'll
probably "fix" it too -- hopefully with
connectors I can solder.
Thanks!
hank alrich
> Plug end.
Cool, becaue that's much easier to fix than having to get into the
pickup chassis.
> I couldn't even get the plug to come apart
> and check it out, so I figured I'd go find
> a replacement plug and fix it.
> I just now looked at a similar plug on my
> "George L's" insertable pickup. It seems
> as if the wire is just pushed into the plug
> and the set screw pushes into the shielding.
> This pickup has spotty results, so I'll
> probably "fix" it too -- hopefully with
> connectors I can solder.
The set screw thing is just stupid, in my view.
> Thanks!
You betcha.
Tony Done
"hank alrich" <walk...@nv.net> wrote in message
news:1j7gofj.1xt4a7ezeuqu9N%walk...@nv.net...
<g> And here was me thinking I was a voice in the wilderness on this issue.
Tony D
Ty Ford
(in article <1j7gofj.1xt4a7ezeuqu9N%walk...@nv.net>):
> I agree, and prior to the K&K PWM the best I'd gotten was from an old
> Bill Lawrence soundhole pickup that is magnetic and also quite
> microphonic. I probably wouldn't have gotten the K&K had the Lawrence
> fit into the larger soundhole of the McCollum.
This Summer I put the K&K arch top pickups in my Harmony 12-string. These are
two larger discs. Took a bit of experimenting to get good spots, but I was
very happy with the results.
I like it as much as the PWM.
Regards,
Ty Ford
--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA
Randy.R
wrote:
The best pickup I have used is The Baggs Ibeam dual source. Good
range, low feedback, good adjustments. The downside is that the amp
and battery are in the instrument.
Alan D.
On Oct 11, 6:04�pm, "DanielleOM" <daniell...@reply.to.group.com>
>wrote:
>> I still have not decided on a pickup to try in my acoustic guitars.
>>
>> I have heard a lot of people hear mention the K&K pure western mini and my
>> local luthier friend likes the Fishman matrix. �They seem to be very
>> different products.
>>
>> I was wondering if people have come to favour particular one or the other or
>> perhaps other systems for open mike venues where the performer really does
>> not really have any control as to what happens after the guitar.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Danielle
PADI and mix as needed.
DanielleOM
I finally made a decision on this. My local shop is installing a K&K Pure
Western Mini in my Eastman archback guitar. It's a maple body carved back -
flat top guitar, spruce top 000/OM size body guitar. The shop said they
particulary like this pickup for OM sized guitars and smaller.
I should have it next weekend.
Danielle
hank alrich
Cool. I look forward the knowing what you think about the K&K.
don hindenach
wrote:
Danielle,
I hope this works out great for you. You have a preamp picked out?
Mike Brown
Good decision IMHO
MJRB
DanielleOM
No, I have not picked out a pre-amp.
For front end stuff I have a MOTU ultralight for home recording, a zoom
G2.1u pedal that I usually use with my archtop, and a Studio Projects VTB-1
preamp, non-which are specifically designed for an acoustic guitar
transducer.
At open mikes I am not sure what's going on exactly. Someone hands you a
1/4" plug and where things go from there is often a mystery.
Danielle
"don hindenach" <bounc...@driveway.splort> wrote in message
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don hindenach
wrote:
>
> No, I have not picked out a pre-amp.
>
> For front end stuff I have a MOTU ultralight for home recording, a zoom
> G2.1u pedal that I usually use with my archtop, and a Studio Projects VTB-1
> preamp, non-which are specifically designed for an acoustic guitar
> transducer.
>
> At open mikes I am not sure what's going on exactly. Someone hands you a
> 1/4" plug and where things go from there is often a mystery.
Danielle,
The K&K will drive about anything, including a power amp directly in, but sounds
best when presented with a 1-meg input impedance. Your VTB-1 "line-in" may work
ok for you, but the G2.1u will sound thin and skwonky.
K&K makes a couple preamps that are ok, but the best one I have ever played thru
is the Red-Eye that Hank Alrich is flogging these days:
http://www.fire-eye.com/
LA
> DanielleOM <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
> > I finally made a decision on this. My local shop is installing a K&K Pure
> > Western Mini in my Eastman archback guitar. It's a maple body carved back -
> > flat top guitar, spruce top 000/OM size body guitar. The shop said they
> > particulary like this pickup for OM sized guitars and smaller.
>
> > I should have it next weekend.
>
> > Danielle
>
> Cool. I look forward the knowing what you think about the K&K.
K&K
The favorite of Trailer Trash and other ignorant low lifes. I wouldn't
be seen in the same room with one
Rick Foreskin
Admire My Fingernails Music-Shitaddle WA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Everybody's got their favourites, I guess. I use an undersaddle EMG
which needs a PP3 battery in the body of the guitar but nothing else
(apart from a couple of wires). You can adjust the output by virtue
of a little screw in the jack socket housing - very discreet, utterly
low maintenance, will plug into anything, needs no pre-amps -
literally just plug it into the P.A./backline and go - and the guitar
still sounds like an acoustic. I've used it with electric guitar
backline before now and unless you go bonkers with the volume it still
sounds as realistic as a Takamine, for instance, and most of the time
it sounds much better.
Mine is set up at about 1/4 of it's potential output, so there's no
feedback issues. Soundmen find it strange when someone holding an
acoustic is waving at them to turn it up - they're all scared of
blowing people's heads off with a seriously loud howl from the P.A.
Very cool little pup - cost me about �100 fitted.
Pete
don hindenach
<a spew>
ok, Lenny. That's enough.
<plonk>
Mike Brown
Lenny.
Give it away, you're losing your touch.
MJRB
Larry Pattis
<rock...@chariot.net.au> wrote:
> Lenny.
>
> Give it away, you're losing your touch.
>
> MJRB
Too much credit, Mike.
Len never had a touch...except when he was doing his one-handed
posting....
--
Larry Pattis
email: LP "at" LarryPattis "dot" com
http://www.LarryPattis.com
LA
> In article <4af8919...@news.comindico.com.au>, Mike Brown
>
> <rocko...@chariot.net.au> wrote:
> > Lenny.
>
> > Give it away, you're losing your touch.
>
> > MJRB
>
> Too much credit, Mike.
>
> Len never had a touch...except when he was doing his one-handed
> posting....
>
Hey Lar, I heard your last CD tanked big time..........thank god for
that trust fund huh?
LA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
I have a trust fund. It's called 'Caroline'.
Lenny, you can be quite good fun. Try it more often.
Pete
Larry Pattis
<936979e8-cdf0-4836...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, LA
<sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess you get all kinds of information about Ruskin and myself from
deep & dark places in your mind, Len.
Best of luck with your fantasy life.
P.S. The International Acoustic Music Awards awarded me the "Best
Instrumental" for their 5th annual 2008 awards, for my original piece
"Eleven Doors" from the new CD, "What Tomorrow Brings" ....and I am now
on their blog as being one of the Top Ten musicians ever for their
awards...the highest of any winner from the Instrumental category.
So if that's what you mean by "tanked big time" then I guess you're
right. Good sales, some nice accolades, and a fairly big award.
Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
stages...standing room only, and two standing ovations/encores.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to toot my own horn, as things are
going fabulously well for me right now.
I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
good work...
hank alrich
> Best of luck with your fantasy life.
>
> P.S. The International Acoustic Music Awards awarded me the "Best
> Instrumental" for their 5th annual 2008 awards, for my original piece
> "Eleven Doors" from the new CD, "What Tomorrow Brings" ....and I am now
> on their blog as being one of the Top Ten musicians ever for their
> awards...the highest of any winner from the Instrumental category.
>
> So if that's what you mean by "tanked big time" then I guess you're
> right. Good sales, some nice accolades, and a fairly big award.
>
> Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
> Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
> stages...standing room only, and two standing ovations/encores.
>
> Thanks for giving me the opportunity to toot my own horn, as things are
> going fabulously well for me right now.
>
>
> I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
> good work...
Nice that a shitrailing of a thread can turn out to bring me this kind
of info.
Larry, that reads real well, and it's cool to see you have good things
happening with your music.
--
ha
(don't worry; if we ignored him he still wouldn't go away)
DanielleOM
Zoom G2.1u input spec (I do not have the acoustic guitar version)
a.. Input: 1/4" phone jack(Rated input level: -20dBm, Input impedance:>
1Mohm)b.. c.. d.. e.. f.. g.. h.. i.. j.. k.. l.. m.. n..
The VTB1 manual is confusing. In the photo they refer to the front input as
an instrument input and then the specs refer to a TRS line input.
It would seem either of these devices would have high enough input
impedance..
hank alrich
> Zoom G2.1u input spec (I do not have the acoustic guitar version)
> a.. Input: 1/4" phone jack(Rated input level: -20dBm, Input impedance:>
> 1Mohm)b.. c.. d.. e.. f.. g.. h.. i.. j.. k.. l.. m.. n..
>
> The VTB1 manual is confusing. In the photo they refer to the front input as
> an instrument input and then the specs refer to a TRS line input.
You're right. That's a goofy manual.
> It would seem either of these devices would have high enough input
> impedance..
It states 1.5 Megohm for the instrument/"line" input. Should work okay
for you.
DanielleOM
I have used that front input as an instrument input in the past with archtop
electric pickup guitar and a friend has also used it with an electric bass.
I have never tried it with a TRS connector. Not sure if the K&K will
benefit from the tube blend on this guy.
Danielle
LA
> In article
>
>
>
> <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 4:48 pm, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article <4af8919...@news.comindico.com.au>, Mike Brown
>
> > > <rocko...@chariot.net.au> wrote:
> > > > Lenny.
>
> > > > Give it away, you're losing your touch.
>
> > > > MJRB
>
> > > Too much credit, Mike.
>
> > > Len never had a touch...except when he was doing his one-handed
> > > posting....
>
> > Hey Lar, I heard your last CD tanked big time..........thank god for
> > that trust fund huh?
>
> > LA
>
> I guess you get all kinds of information about Ruskin and myself from
> deep & dark places in your mind, Len.
>
> P.S. The International Acoustic Music Awards awarded me the "Best
> Instrumental" for their 5th annual 2008 awards, for my original piece
> "Eleven Doors" from the new CD, "What Tomorrow Brings" ....and I am now
> on their blog as being one of the Top Ten musicians ever for their
> awards...the highest of any winner from the Instrumental category.
The The International Acoustic Music Awards...... what a joke....
it's a freakin' online Song Contest!! How much did that award cost
you?
> I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
> good work...
W H Miller told me.
LA
hank alrich
Unless their circuitry is as goofy as their manual it should owrk just
fine with a TS plug, too.
> Not sure if the K&K will
> benefit from the tube blend on this guy.
Well, now you're onto something. I wasn't going to go there. But these
types of devices, running a tube in starved plate fashion in order to
claim "tube sound", are offering "marketing warmth" that has nothing at
all to do with the way tubes run properly respond to signal.
So far I've not found a preamp for my K&K's that works as well as does
the Red-Eye from Fire-Eye Development in Austin TX.
Up front, I am now a vendor of those. However, production output is very
low even on good days as presently they are hand assembled by the
designer. Right now he is recovering from medical issues that have
affected his ability to solder. I think I have the last two Red-Eyes 'in
stock" at home, but I also think they are both already sold.
My experience with the K&K PWM is that it works better than other
pickups I've tried into just about anything, including stuff like a
Fender Blues Jr. amp. I predict you'll enjoy your new pickup, but I've
been wrong before, and thsat;s why they don't let me do the weather
show.
LA
> Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
> Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
> stages...standing room only
SRO indeed..that was the stage over by the 'Porta Pottys'
LA
LA
> ha
> (don't worry; if we ignored him he still wouldn't go away)
How dare you contradict Bob Dorgan?!
LA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 5:48�pm, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
And you believed him?
Pete
LA
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:41:43 -0800 (PST), LA <sunsidese...@gmail.com>
Shouldn't I?
LA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 7:43�pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
Why not?
Dorgan once tried to convince me (over beers) that he was actually
tall, slim and had an ass like Robert Redford.
Didn't have any problem contradicting him on that occasion..
Pete
hank alrich
Larry Pattis
>
> > Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
> > Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> SRO indeed..that was the stage over by the 'Porta Pottys'
>
> LA
Best of luck with the continuing fantasy that what you would like to
believe is true, and that anything that you say here has any
credibility...
It's too bad you weren't in Montreal to experience with me one of the
highlights of my career...so far.
I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
I had packed up my gear.
I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
this order:
"Your driver is ready."
First-class operation, the Montreal International Jazz Festival.
Larry Pattis
<0043918f-0add-4ccc...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, LA
<sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
Let us know, Lenny, when anything that you do (other than being a pest,
here) wins you an award.
Check over some of their recip[ients, such as David Francey and Charlie
Dore...it's a pretty nice thing to be included amongst some of these
folks.
...not that you, a penultimate-loser, would understand any of this.
> > I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
> > good work...
>
> W H Miller told me.
>
> LA
...and you believed him?
8-)
Bill Chandler
<Neve...@spam.invalid> brewed up the following, and served it to the
group:
<snip>
>Best of luck with the continuing fantasy that what you would like to
>believe is true, and that anything that you say here has any
>credibility...
>
>It's too bad you weren't in Montreal to experience with me one of the
>highlights of my career...so far.
>
>I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
>words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
>I had packed up my gear.
>
>I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
>this order:
>
>"Your driver is ready."
>
>First-class operation, the Montreal International Jazz Festival.
That's cool, Larry! Well deserved, I'd say.
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LA
> I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
> words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> I had packed up my gear.
Folk musician?..don't insult the genre
LA
Larry Pattis
>
> > I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
> > words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> > I had packed up my gear.
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Folk musician?..don't insult the genre
>
> LA
You're really struggling on this one, Len.
Best of luck with your continuing delusions of relevance....
anyt...@contractorcom.com
>I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
>this order:
>
>"Your driver is ready."
>
You mean...you have a personal caddy?
Jeez - that's success!
Pete
Larry Pattis
> <Neve...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
> >this order:
> >
> >"Your driver is ready."
In article <uk6jf51vsf132lntn...@4ax.com>,
<anyt...@contractorcom.com> wrote:
>
> You mean...you have a personal caddy?
>
> Jeez - that's success!
>
> Pete
Well, the car was indeed a "caddy"...as in Cadillac...but they real fun
was having Karla and I driven by a personal chauffeur back to our hotel
after the gig.
Not a general part of the lexicon as a folk musician, and I'm glad to
have experienced it...
anyt...@contractorcom.com
<Neve...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:04:15 -0800, Larry Pattis
>> <Neve...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
>> >this order:
>> >
>> >"Your driver is ready."
>
>
>
>In article <uk6jf51vsf132lntn...@4ax.com>,
><anyt...@contractorcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You mean...you have a personal caddy?
>>
>> Jeez - that's success!
>>
>> Pete
>
>
>Well, the car was indeed a "caddy"...as in Cadillac...but they real fun
>was having Karla and I driven by a personal chauffeur back to our hotel
>after the gig.
>
>Not a general part of the lexicon as a folk musician, and I'm glad to
>have experienced it...
Duh! Larry - I thought you were off to the golf course...:-)
I love all that shit. The Nashville mob wouldn't let us drive
anywhere. I guess it was part of the corporate thing - "Hey, this
guy's a top biller - make sure he's looked after!"
It's a bit wierd when there's some VP being told to entertain you and
you get the following conversation:
"Hey Pete! Where are we going!?"
"Hooters."
Pete
LA
> > On Nov 10, 10:04 am, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
> > > words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> > > I had packed up my gear.
>
> > Folk musician?..don't insult the genre
>
> > LA
>
> You're really struggling on this one, Len.
>
> Best of luck with your continuing delusions of relevance....
Try not to parrot Dorgan.... it makes you look dumb...
LA
Larry Pattis
> >> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:04:15 -0800, Larry Pattis> >> <Neve...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
> >> >this order:
> >> >
> >> >"Your driver is ready."
> ><anyt...@contractorcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You mean...you have a personal caddy?
> >>
> >> Jeez - that's success!
> >>
> >> Pete
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:04:15 -0800, Larry Pattis
> <Neve...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >Well, the car was indeed a "caddy"...as in Cadillac...but they real fun
> >was having Karla and I driven by a personal chauffeur back to our hotel
> >after the gig.
> >
> >Not a general part of the lexicon as a folk musician, and I'm glad to
> >have experienced it...
, <anyt...@contractorcom.com> wrote:
>
> Duh! Larry - I thought you were off to the golf course...:-)
>
> I love all that shit. The Nashville mob wouldn't let us drive
> anywhere. I guess it was part of the corporate thing - "Hey, this
> guy's a top biller - make sure he's looked after!"
>
> It's a bit wierd when there's some VP being told to entertain you and
> you get the following conversation:
>
> "Hey Pete! Where are we going!?"
> "Hooters."
>
> Pete
I got the golf-reference, but I thought I would respond
literally...unlike the fantasies that Len seems to delude himself with.
Every folk-musician should get a few gigs where they're treated like
royalty...and then the rest of the gigs are there to keep us humble...
8-)
Larry Pattis
> > > On Nov 10, 10:04�am, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
> >words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> > I had packed up my gear.
> >
> >this order:
> >
> >"Your driver is ready."
> > LA <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Folk musician?..don't insult the genre
> >
> > > LA
> On Nov 10, 10:51�am, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > You're really struggling on this one, Len.
> >
> > Best of luck with your continuing delusions of relevance....
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Try not to parrot Dorgan.... it makes you look dumb...
>
> LA
Still struggling, I see.
Ya' know, Len, you've opened yourself up for great ridicule (not the
first time, of course), and I have to admit enjoying it a bit.
Keep up with the lame-ass put-downs...you're doing just fine, Len.
LA
>
> ...not that you, a penultimate-loser, would understand any of this.
Penultimate? Isn't that the pickup system you used in those freebee
Martins you so deary loved and endorsed for about 6 months once upon
a time?
>
> > > I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
> > > good work...
>
> > W H Miller told me.
>
> > LA
>
> ...and you believed him?
>
> 8-)
I gotta tell ya, that's a very unconvincing looking smiley you put up
there, Lar
LA
Larry Pattis
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Penultimate? Isn't that the pickup system you used in those freebee
> Martins you so deary loved and endorsed for about 6 months once upon
> a time?
I played custom shop Martins for about 5-6 years, including the one
custom OM-28V that was used for my CD "Hands of Time" which was #1 on
the acoustic music radio charts for January of '03.
Thanks for noticing.
I had to let go of the Martins when I went to a 24" scale, otherwise I
would be still playing them, along with the guitars from Mark Blanchard
that I owned then.
P.S. Martin does not give guitars away, unless your name is Stephen
Stills, et al...it was nice to be a apart of their artist endorsement
program....something you'll never have an opportunity to experience.
> > > > I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
> > > > good work...
> > > W H Miller told me.
> >
> > > LA
> > ...and you believed him?
> >
> > 8-)
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I gotta tell ya, that's a very unconvincing looking smiley you put up
> there, Lar
>
>
> LA
Eventually you'll manage to convince yourself that this is true.
You *do* remember the guitar store that I owned and operated for a
number of years...and then successfully sold? Just one aspect of my
life outside of playing guitar...
You apparently wouldn't uderstand business-success if it bit you on the
ass.
Same as it ever was...
JS
> On Nov 8, 9:29 pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
>
> > DanielleOM <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
> > > I finally made a decision on this. My local shop is installing a K&K Pure
> > > Western Mini in my Eastman archback guitar. It's a maple body carved back -
> > > flat top guitar, spruce top 000/OM size body guitar. The shop said they
> > > particulary like this pickup for OM sized guitars and smaller.
>
> > > I should have it next weekend.
>
> > > Danielle
>
> > Cool. I look forward the knowing what you think about the K&K.
>
> K&K
>
> The favorite of Trailer Trash and other ignorant low lifes. I wouldn't
> be seen in the same room with one
>
> Rick Foreskin
>
> Admire My Fingernails Music-Shitaddle WA
And this was necessary...why?
Steve Daniels
compelled Larry Pattis <Neve...@spam.invalid>, to say:
> ...not that you, a penultimate-loser, would understand any of this.
Penultimate means second to last.
Steve "Yours in linguistic purity" Daniels
--
Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind
up talkin' fingernails with old men.
Ray Boyce - 9.27.09
John Sorell
ede9e8...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
Lenny is encapable of having an honest discourse. He never replies to a
question with a direct answer. He is very much like two other posters
that hang out here. One is a racist and the other seems to be
devementally challanged. Both use the same method of evasion by not
answering a question directly.
Lenny avoids dealing frankly with people, always resorting to
vulgarities. I'm guessing hurling insults makes him feel bigger than the
little gnat he really is. It's like an adolesent trapped inside an old
man's body. It's apparent that he needs help, but it's fun to push his
buttons and virtually watch his blood pressure to up. Some of us are
unkind that way...
John
JD
> JS <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote in news:daae39a6-4611-4314-8ef6-
> ede9e8...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 9, 5:35 am, LA <sunsidese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 8, 9:29 pm, walki...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
>>>
>>>> DanielleOM <daniell...@reply.to.group.com> wrote:
>>>>> I finally made a decision on this. My local shop is installing a
> K
>> &K Pure
>>>>> Western Mini in my Eastman archback guitar. It's a maple body
> carv
>> ed back -
>>>>> flat top guitar, spruce top 000/OM size body guitar. The shop
> said
>> they
>>>>> particulary like this pickup for OM sized guitars and smaller.
>>>>> I should have it next weekend.
>>>>> Danielle
>>>
>>> Admire My Fingernails Music-Shitaddle WA
>> And this was necessary...why?
>
> that hang out here. One is a racist and the other seems to be
> devementally challanged. Both use the same method of evasion by not
> answering a question directly.
>
> little gnat he really is. It's like an adolesent trapped inside an old
> man's body. It's apparent that he needs help, but it's fun to push his
> buttons and virtually watch his blood pressure to up. Some of us are
> unkind that way...
>
> John
Notice how I snipped his vitriol and eliminated
mention of his name. This way you don't propagate
his hatefulness and don't give the satisfaction of
getting a response. If you really wanted to be
unkind, not responding at all would be far more
effective.
LA
> Same as it ever was...
Hey thanks Lar.
That reminds me of a tune I haven't messed with in a
while.....'Talking Heads' 'Once In A Lifetime'
I'd like to hear Ruskin Patboone the vocal on that one...... tee hee
hee
LA
LA
I'm taking a beginner parody class over at the senior citizens center.
It's the kind of exercise that's supposed to help forestall dotage..
LA
John Sorell
LA
> JD wrote innews:0075955c$0$23819$c3e...@news.astraweb.com:
>
>
>
> > John Sorell wrote:
> >> JS <jeffreylsu...@gmail.com> wrote in news:daae39a6-4611-4314-8ef6-
> >> ede9e864c...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
That's a depressing thought.
LA
LA
> JS <jeffreylsu...@gmail.com> wrote in news:daae39a6-4611-4314-8ef6-
> ede9e864c...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
Whoa!...slow down Zigmund.
Jeez, and all along I thought you were my wind up toy.
LA
Larry Pattis
LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whoa!...slow down Zigmund.
>
> Jeez, and all along I thought you were my wind up toy.
>
>
> LA
John's observations seem spot-on to me...
LA
> > On Nov 10, 1:23 pm, John Sorell <j.sorellREM...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > Lenny is encapable of having an honest discourse. He never replies to a
> > > question with a direct answer. He is very much like two other posters
> > > that hang out here. One is a racist and the other seems to be
> > > devementally challanged. Both use the same method of evasion by not
> > > answering a question directly.
>
> > > Lenny avoids dealing frankly with people, always resorting to
> > > vulgarities. I'm guessing hurling insults makes him feel bigger than the
> > > little gnat he really is. It's like an adolesent trapped inside an old
> > > man's body. It's apparent that he needs help, but it's fun to push his
> > > buttons and virtually watch his blood pressure to up. Some of us are
> > > unkind that way...
>
> > Whoa!...slow down Zigmund.
>
> > Jeez, and all along I thought you were my wind up toy.
>
> > LA
>
> John's observations seem spot-on to me...
>
No! That surprises me beyond belief!
LA
JD
If my filters would allow deleting posts that even
quoted him we wouldn't be having this conversation.
John Sorell
Now that would be an app worth paying for.
John
JD
I've suggested it to Mozilla a few times along
with a x-post deleter. No dice so far.
Les Cargill
>> On Nov 9, 5:48 pm, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
>>> Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
>>> stages...standing room only, and two standing ovations/encores.
>
>
>
> LA <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> SRO indeed..that was the stage over by the 'Porta Pottys'
>>
>> LA
>
>
>
> Best of luck with the continuing fantasy that what you would like to
> believe is true, and that anything that you say here has any
> credibility...
>
> It's too bad you weren't in Montreal to experience with me one of the
> highlights of my career...so far.
>
> words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> I had packed up my gear.
>
> I mean, I had heard all of these words before, but not necesarily in
> this order:
>
> "Your driver is ready."
>
There was still a small chance you wanted a one-iron.
> First-class operation, the Montreal International Jazz Festival.
>
I imagine so. I want to go to about eight museums in that town
one of these days.
--
Les Cargill
hank alrich
["psssst!... hey, kid, you lookin' fo' some real estate? not that phony
shit, but REAL?"]
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
hank alrich
I could do that; that's how good my filters are.
But did you even read Dorgan's post?
--
ha
this thread is a gold mine
hank alrich
> I'm guessing hurling insults makes him feel bigger than the
> little gnat he really is.
Grown monkey score big in Primeseven Olympic's Fecal Toss event!
sheltech
( this thread is a goldmine)
and a right judicious train wreck . well done sirs .
winky winky,
D
kol_isha
"don hindenach" <bounc...@driveway.splort> wrote in message
news:ZGh26eEmFvyP-pn2-J3QILFwd3qeS@ddon...
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:00:57 UTC, "DanielleOM"
> <danie...@reply.to.group.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> No, I have not picked out a pre-amp.
>>
>> For front end stuff I have a MOTU ultralight for home recording, a zoom
>> G2.1u pedal that I usually use with my archtop, and a Studio Projects
>> VTB-1
>> preamp, non-which are specifically designed for an acoustic guitar
>> transducer.
>>
>> At open mikes I am not sure what's going on exactly. Someone hands you a
>> 1/4" plug and where things go from there is often a mystery.
>
> Danielle,
>
> The K&K will drive about anything, including a power amp directly in, but
> sounds
> best when presented with a 1-meg input impedance. Your VTB-1 "line-in"
> may work
> ok for you, but the G2.1u will sound thin and skwonky.
>
>> --
> -donh-
> donh at audiosys dot com
Don, I remember having this same conversation with you at one point... and
it was a foreign language then, and still is. :) I know many people told
me at the time I should go with the K&K... and use a pre-amp. In the end,
it turns out that I've been playing at a LOT of open mics lately.... using
the passive under-saddle Fishman pickup that I decided to go with. I have
never yet used it with a pre-amp. And I've never yet had ANY problems with
it. People have come up and said, "wow, that guitar sounds great." It's
probably more the Furch than the pick-up that makes the difference. And of
course, I don't know what kind of music Danielle does... she's probably far
more professional than I'll ever be. But for me, as an amateur, the passive
pickup has worked just fine.
--
Best,
Arlene
--------------------------------------
"Kol_Isha" - A Woman's Voice
kol_isha
"LA" <sunsid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Nov 10, 10:04 am, Larry Pattis <NeverH...@spam.invalid> wrote:
> I will add that a folk-musician like myself doesn't often hear the 4
> words that were uttered to me after my concert was finished, and after
> I had packed up my gear.
Folk musician?..don't insult the genre
LA
--------------------------
Uh, wow.... who IS this guy? Maybe I've been away for too long.
But... I must say this. That, as President of our FOLK Club (and as a house
concert presenter of FOLK concerts), I'd consider myself to know more about
folk music/musicians than most. The "genre" encompasses a broad spectrum of
music that crosses many lines. Singer-songwriters, bluegrass, gospel,
celtic, traditional, Americana, roots music... and yes, fingerstyle
guitar... it ALL counts as "folk" music. And having presented all of those
types at one time or another... including, in fact, having presented Larry
Pattis (and having had many of our local "folkies" come to hear him)... I
would say that Larry is very far from being an insult to the genre. In
fact, the word I'd more likely use is that he is an inspiration to the
genre.
sheltech
> Larry Pattis posted a kind of thing we don't often see in this group:
>
>
>> Best of luck with your fantasy life.
>>
>> P.S. The International Acoustic Music Awards awarded me the "Best
>> Instrumental" for their 5th annual 2008 awards, for my original piece
>> "Eleven Doors" from the new CD, "What Tomorrow Brings" ....and I am now
>> on their blog as being one of the Top Ten musicians ever for their
>> awards...the highest of any winner from the Instrumental category.
>>
>> So if that's what you mean by "tanked big time" then I guess you're
>> right. Good sales, some nice accolades, and a fairly big award.
>>
>> Perhaps you also heard that I played the 2008 Montreal International
>> Jazz Festival, with a one-hour solo show on one of the main outdoor
>> stages...standing room only, and two standing ovations/encores.
>>
>> going fabulously well for me right now.
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure where you get the "trust fund" fantasy, but keep up the
>> good work...
>
> of info.
>
> Larry, that reads real well, and it's cool to see you have good things
> happening with your music.
>
>
lol no kidding ,a crap-slinging from alcamoz is all the endorsement
I need , as good as a raving review, of a Pattis cd . hilarious.
D
sheltech
>
> ...and you believed him?
>
> 8-)
>
quite the opposite !, I took the lame-ass put down of your new cd as
inspirtion to go have a little listen, and I liked what I heard.
will have to go for the double whammy deal and snag Hands of Time too
someday.
D
DanielleOM
>
> Don, I remember having this same conversation with you at one point... and
> it was a foreign language then, and still is. :) I know many people told
> me at the time I should go with the K&K... and use a pre-amp. In the end,
> it turns out that I've been playing at a LOT of open mics lately.... using
> the passive under-saddle Fishman pickup that I decided to go with. I have
> never yet used it with a pre-amp. And I've never yet had ANY problems
> with it. People have come up and said, "wow, that guitar sounds great."
> It's probably more the Furch than the pick-up that makes the difference.
> And of course, I don't know what kind of music Danielle does... she's
> probably far more professional than I'll ever be. But for me, as an
> amateur, the passive pickup has worked just fine.
>
> --
> Best,
>
> Arlene
> --------------------------------------
> "Kol_Isha" - A Woman's Voice
>
Can't really same I am a real professional here. I did buy the K&K
primarily for open mike nights. Although I have certainly spent my fair
share on gear, income has been limited to a few free drinks and dinners.
Danielle
Tony Weber
Arlene, Lenny Alcamo is a flame-baiting troll whose only pleasure in
life seems to be in stirring up trouble and insulting people on RMMGA.
He has been surfacing from his cesspool off and on for years. You know
the drill; engaging him only encourages him.
How are you.
Tony
(Looking forward to Lenny's response to this post; it has been busy and
I need the laugh)