Here you go Mr Seibert, ( E before I ) re: Olde Dads
Cliff
48....look at old Van here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8433453.stm
Spitting image of his dad..???...what a little fat, baldy baby in
shades and a leather jacket ?....scary.
C.
persisten...@yahoo.com
It might teach his old man a few things if the kid grew up into a
miserable, insolent, bad tempered old bastard too..:-)
Pete
Cliff
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:39:34 -0800 (PST), Cliff
>
> >I'm not so ancient to be having a three year old, aged nearly
> >48....look at old Van here:
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8433453.stm
>
> >Spitting image of his dad..???...what a little fat, baldy baby in
> >shades and a leather jacket ?....scary.
>
> >C.
>
> It might teach his old man a few things if the kid grew up into a
> miserable, insolent, bad tempered old bastard too..:-)
>
> Pete
Oh you mean when he's grown up and " just started to become
interesting..." ??
it'll be too late....Van will have done his final astral / cosmic
travelling by then and will be mumbling interminally to that Hollywood
Bowl up in Heaven......
" have i told you lately that i fucked you ? "
C
Larry Brown
Maybe it's just that I'm getting squeamish in my old age, but my first
thought on seeing that story was "Eww". I guess that kid will truly
have memories of "Dear old dad".
Cliff
> On Dec 29, 3:26 pm, persistent_offen...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:39:34 -0800 (PST), Cliff
>
> > <cliff...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >I'm not so ancient to be having a three year old, aged nearly
> > >48....look at old Van here:
>
> > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8433453.stm
>
> > >Spitting image of his dad..???...what a little fat, baldy baby in
> > >shades and a leather jacket ?....scary.
>
> > >C.
>
> > It might teach his old man a few things if the kid grew up into a
> > miserable, insolent, bad tempered old bastard too..:-)
>
> > Pete
>
> Oh you mean when he's grown up and " just started to become
> interesting..." ??
> it'll be too late....Van will have done his final astral / cosmic
> Bowl up in Heaven......
>
> " have i told you lately that i fucked you ? "
>
> C
correction; should read : *interminably
Cliff "have i edited myself lately that i told you " Lee
John Sorell
8c7197...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
I see where they are keeping the birth location private. For the kid's
sake I'm hoping it was the vagina.
John
Misifus
Edad! That's just bragging!
btw, my comment related merely to your youth. At times I loose sight of
the fact that all the rest of you lot are not as worn out as I am. <g>
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Paul L
"Cliff" <clif...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:20e71f85-e00c-4cc8...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
After the first couple lines about the birth, that article reads more like
Van's obituary.
Paul
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
>Cliff wrote:
>> I'm not so ancient to be having a three year old, aged nearly
>> 48....look at old Van here:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8433453.stm
>>
>> Spitting image of his dad..???...what a little fat, baldy baby in
>> shades and a leather jacket ?....scary.
>>
>> C.
>
>
>Edad! That's just bragging!
>
>
>btw, my comment related merely to your youth. At times I loose sight of
>the fact that all the rest of you lot are not as worn out as I am. <g>
>
> -Raf
It's not the years, Dad...it's the mileage...
--------
Never, never, never, never give up. - Churchill, Winston
the above e-mail address remains totally fictional.
the real one is bc9424 AT gmailspamTHIS! D0T com (if you remove spamTHIS!)
...please check out my music at http://www.soundclick.com/billchandler some time...
Bill Chandler
...bc...
Alan D.
And Bill's sig generator nails it again!!! Haw!
Alan D.
"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you
realize that what you heard is not what I meant." Anonymous
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet...[repeat as above]
Cliff
> Bill Chandler <dr...@yourown.risk.com> wrote:
Stephen Fry came up with a goodun on QI the other night :
" War is God's way of teaching Americans geography " - Ambrose
Bierce.
Is this a well known quote in the US ?
C.
Steve Daniels
compelled Alan D. <SPAMN...@dunwellguitar.com>, to say:
> "I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you
> realize that what you heard is not what I meant." Anonymous
I'm pretty sure that was Nixon.
<checks . . . > nope, looks like I was wrong:
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/robert_mccloskey/
Robert McCloskey
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
<snip>
>>>btw, my comment related merely to your youth. At times I loose sight of
>>>the fact that all the rest of you lot are not as worn out as I am. <g>
>>>
>>> -Raf
>>
>>It's not the years, Dad...it's the mileage...
>>--------
>>Never, never, never, never give up. - Churchill, Winston
>>
>>Bill Chandler
>> ...bc...
>
>And Bill's sig generator nails it again!!! Haw!
>
>Alan D.
I gave up trying to figure it out--for such a tiny program, it sure
is...shall we say *perceptive*? And Windows 7 doesn't even slow it
down.
That's just another one of the random sigs it used.
>"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you
>realize that what you heard is not what I meant." Anonymous
Truer words may never have been spoken...I think...
--------
... Cucumbers are Better: You can open a cucumber using only your teeth.
Larry Brown
"Is this a well known quote in the US ?", he sniffed.
I know which direction "Up Yer Ass" is. How's that for some geography?
Jefferson Holston
Sadly neither the quote, the bit of wisdom it contains, nor its
author are very well known to my countrymen. Present company
would be excepted of course. 8-) I've always really-really
liked Bierce. Largely though, I think he's very much
underappreciated.
j
Mike Brown
War is America's way of communicating with people.
They have to keep the arms manufacturers busy to support the economy.
MJRB
Larry Brown
Boy we're hip-deep in profundity now aren't we?
You think that up all by yourself there, Mike?
The USA, "Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down".
That's alright, we understand your envy and we can tolerate your petty
sniping, irritating as it may be. After all, we know we are Americans
and you're not.
Gosh, I do wish I could quote some Bierce here, though.
Misifus
I would say that while Bierce is well known, as are many of his
opinions, this is the first time I've heard this one.
Mike Brown
Not my original thought at all, just a widely held opinion.
I don't think that UK and Australia are much different if it's any
consolation, but there have been a few publicly published episodes of
misdirection of large amounts of American money during the recent "wars".
And I'm certainly not jealous, I'm very happy where I am.
I suppose it was a bit of a troll, but I'd rather cause discussion than
offence.
MJRB
persisten...@yahoo.com
I once placed an electronic engineer from San Diego on a mobile-phone
network roll-out in Morocco. Two weeks before he was due to fly he
'phoned me at 2.00 A.M. to ask if he needed a passport for Morocco.
How's that for a failure of intellect and education? The guy had taken
a job in a country he had never even looked up in an atlas, didn't
know what he needed to get into the country, and didn't even realise
that there was a time difference between California and the UK.
How he convinced Siemens to hire him I've no idea...
At the time, only 13% of Americans held passports. I came to the
conclusion that most Americans see the rest of the world as a) scary
and b) a long way away.
The project was being managed by a mixture of Serbians and Indians who
were also on my books. The minute he got there they took one look at
him and sent him out to do some work on the Tunisian border (which is
a den of thieves, gun runners and drug smugglers) just to get the
ignorant twat out of their hair.
Larry, sometimes asinine remarks like "I know which direction "Up Yer
Ass" is. How's that for some geography?" get right up my nose.
Whoever originally wrote "War is God's way of teaching Americans
geography." is irrelevant. It's a truth, and it's a truth that
irritates a great many people across the world. How many people across
the world wish the USA had stuck to the early 20th century policy of
isolationism in the early 21st century, I wonder?
The abuse of power I can relate to. Ignorant smugness is just -
infantile.
Pete (Guilty of both, but rarely at the same time).
persisten...@yahoo.com
I'm sure he's available at a bookstore near you right now...perhaps
while you'e at it you could have a go a Plato, Cicero.....
You might even end up with a living culture more lively than the
yoghurt in your 'fridge.
Pete
persisten...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Nah...go for offence every time...:-)
Pete
LA
>
> I gave up trying to figure it out--for such a tiny program, it sure
> is...shall we say *perceptive*? And Windows 7 doesn't even slow it
> down.
>
> That's just another one of the random sigs it used.
>
> >"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you
> >realize that what you heard is not what I meant." Anonymous
>
> Truer words may never have been spoken...I think...
> --------
> ... Cucumbers are Better: You can open a cucumber using only your teeth.
Could it be a random values generator for a database or
spreadsheet....sorta like this?
http://www.ablebits.com/excel-random-generator-assistant-free-addins/index.php#list
LA
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
<snip>
>Could it be a random values generator for a database or
>spreadsheet....sorta like this?
>
>http://www.ablebits.com/excel-random-generator-assistant-free-addins/index.php#list
>
>
>LA
SigChanger, from http://www.phranc.nl. Not sure what he uses for
selection; I'm not sure it is even still being updated. I've used it
for several years.
--------
If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
hank alrich
> On Dec 30, 8:29 pm, Mike Brown <rocko...@chariot.net.au> wrote:
> > Larry Brown wrote:
> > > On Dec 29, 4:08 pm, Cliff <cliff...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>On Dec 29, 9:57 pm, Alan D. <SPAMNOTa...@dunwellguitar.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>Bill Chandler <dr...@yourown.risk.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:45:59 -0600, Misifus <rafseib...@att.net>
> > >>>>brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
> >
> > >>>>>Cliff wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>I'm not so ancient to be having a three year old, aged nearly
> > >>>>>>48....look at old Van here:
> >
> > >>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8433453.stm
> >
> > >>>>>>Spitting image of his dad..???...what a little fat, baldy baby in
> > >>>>>>shades and a leather jacket ?....scary.
> >
> > >>>>>>C.
> >
> > >>>>>Edad! That's just bragging!
> >
> > >>>>>btw, my comment related merely to your youth. At times I loose
> > >>>>>sight of the fact that all the rest of you lot are not as worn out
> > >>>>>as I am. <g>
> >
> > >>>>> -Raf
> >
> > >>>>It's not the years, Dad...it's the mileage...
> > >>>>--------
> > >>>>Never, never, never, never give up. - Churchill, Winston
> > >>>>Bill Chandler
> > >>>> ...bc...
> >
> > >>>And Bill's sig generator nails it again!!! Haw!
> >
> > >>>Alan D.
> >
> > >>>"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not
> > >>>sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
> > >>>Anonymous
> >
> > >>>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet...[repeat as above]
> >
> > >>Stephen Fry came up with a goodun on QI the other night :
> >
> > >>" War is God's way of teaching Americans geography " - Ambrose
> > >>Bierce.
> >
> > > "Is this a well known quote in the US ?", he sniffed.
> >
> > > I know which direction "Up Yer Ass" is. How's that for some geography?
> >
> > War is America's way of communicating with people.
> >
> > They have to keep the arms manufacturers busy to support the economy.
> >
> > MJRB
>
> Boy we're hip-deep in profundity now aren't we?
> You think that up all by yourself there, Mike?
>
> The USA, "Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down".
> That's alright, we understand your envy and we can tolerate your petty
> sniping, irritating as it may be. After all, we know we are Americans
> and you're not.
> Gosh, I do wish I could quote some Bierce here, though.
And now for the halftime show: The Bombing of Veracruz. (Sorry about the
women and children.)
Subtract war goods manufacturing from the US GDP for the last ten years
and how does it measure up?
"War, a product you can export whether or not the customer is buying"
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
http://www.armadillomusicproductions.com/CarryMeHome.html
http://hankalrich.com/
Larry Brown
You "came to a conclusion" about most Americans based on your
encounter with some ignorant guy you met who happened to be American.
Nuff said.
I continue to believe that the blanket generalization, "Americans
ignorant/British erudite" is just intellectually lazy nonsense.
Stereotypes are easy, but there are plenty of intelligent, well-read,
and also stupid and ignorant people in both countries.
As for smugness, it's pretty laughable, someone who presumes to
assign me a reading list talking about smugness.
I won't even bother to get in to the absurdity of someone from England
lamenting another country's propensity for war.
If you knew me you'd know I am the first one to criticize my country
when I think it is doing wrong, but Cliff's salvo and Mike's follow up
just brought out the "Nobody talks about my sister but me" in me.
Forgive me for defending my country.
Larry Brown
Yeah, I went a little overboard there. I don't really think that
anyone who criticizes the U.S. is envious, I just got irritated at
what I took as America-bashing.
Wilbur Slice
Plato and Cicero? That's what you consider "lively" culture?
Wilbur Slice
>I once placed an electronic engineer from San Diego on a mobile-phone
>network roll-out in Morocco. Two weeks before he was due to fly he
>'phoned me at 2.00 A.M. to ask if he needed a passport for Morocco.
>
>How's that for a failure of intellect and education? The guy had taken
>a job in a country he had never even looked up in an atlas, didn't
>know what he needed to get into the country, and didn't even realise
>that there was a time difference between California and the UK.
>
>How he convinced Siemens to hire him I've no idea...
And you hired him? (I'm not sure what "I once placed an electronic
engineer..." means)
>
>At the time, only 13% of Americans held passports. I came to the
>conclusion that most Americans see the rest of the world as a) scary
>and b) a long way away.
>
>The project was being managed by a mixture of Serbians and Indians who
>were also on my books. The minute he got there they took one look at
>him and sent him out to do some work on the Tunisian border (which is
>a den of thieves, gun runners and drug smugglers) just to get the
>ignorant twat out of their hair.
>
>Larry, sometimes asinine remarks like "I know which direction "Up Yer
>Ass" is. How's that for some geography?" get right up my nose.
>
>Whoever originally wrote "War is God's way of teaching Americans
>geography." is irrelevant. It's a truth, and it's a truth that
>irritates a great many people across the world. How many people across
>the world wish the USA had stuck to the early 20th century policy of
>isolationism in the early 21st century, I wonder?
Ya know, Pete, I would love to be able to disagree vigorously with you
and proudly shout how wrong you are about many (far too many)
Americans in these regards.
But I can't.
Unfortunately, I know a lot of Americans like that. I even married
into a den of them (but I have thankfully been released from that
bond). The fact is, when it comes to things like knowledge of the
rest of the world, history and geography, most Americans are
embarrassingly lacking. I was at a family event with these in-laws a
couple years ago, and one of them asked another "So what ever happened
to Billy". The other replied, "He got married to a woman from Tibet
that he met on the internet. Tibet, South America."
That's why I took my 8-year-old daughter on a trip to Europe last
summer and she attends a Spanish-Immersion school here in Minnesota. I
want her to grow up knowing that there is a whole large world out
there and that they do things differently.
But I have also found that most people in this world tend to
concentrate their knowledge on the things immediately around them.
That includes Europeans. It's just that other countries and cultures
are closer for them, and intrude more on their everyday reality. In
the US, all you really need to know about on a day-to-day basis is the
US. And probably only stuff in your own state. When I moved from
California to Minnesota back in the 1970's, I knew Californians who
looked at me quizzically and said "Minnesota? That's in Canada, isn't
it?".
People are people, and most of them tend to want to know the minimum
of what it takes to get by in life. The English are not immune to
this - the apocryphal story about the London Times headline "Fog Over
Channel. Continent Isolated" is funny because ot the truth just under
the surface. I found the group of English tourists who shared our
hotel in Jamaica on one trip years ago to be the easy equivalent of
the "dumb American" tourists. We got stuck in a boat a mile or so off
the coast after midnight when the motor conked out, and we all amused
ourselves by singing Beatles songs as the Jamaican boatmen tried to
dry out the spark plug with a Bic lighter in the light of a penlight I
had with me, before we were swept all the way to Cuba. And when the
Jamaicans finally managed to get the motor started again with the help
of this Yank's technology, the Jamaico-American coalition's success
was celebrated by the Brits (who sat on their asses helplessly through
the whole thing) breaking into a loud, proud and rousing chorus of
"Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the Waves." The superiority of
Britannia once again confirmed through the actions of its wogs, eh
wot?
And Pete, pretty much every time you utter something about the US,
it's comically wrong. I usually just let those utterences slip by
because you seem to take such umbrage at being corrected. But,
seriously, before you cast too many stones at the ignorance of
Americans about things foreign, you should realize that you have many
windows in your own house.
>
>The abuse of power I can relate to. Ignorant smugness is just -
>infantile.
Hey, don't knock it. Without ignorant smugness, we might not have
any foreign policy at all.
txtwang48
Whoever originally wrote "War is God's way of teaching Americans
geography." is irrelevant. It's a truth, and it's a truth that
irritates a great many people across the world. How many people
across
the world wish the USA had stuck to the early 20th century policy of
isolationism in the early 21st century, I wonder?
The abuse of power I can relate to. Ignorant smugness is just -
infantile.
Pete.
Well I be damn, I haven't checked in here for some time and I see it
ain't changed.
What I wonder is how many of the affected people are glad the USA
stepped in and helped from whatever tragedy that befell them. I
personally do not care what other countries think of the USA. And
"IF" the USA is soooooooooooo bad..why in the hell are so many people
trying to get here? I don't seem to see people fleeing from the
oppression here and they are free to leave at any time.
Yea, the USA has got some warts..but they're our warts. You need to
tend to Englands' warts...
Speaking of ignorant smuggness, you seem to have a handle on it.
Jerry
Mike Brown
I couldn't agree more. The American posters here are evidence that your
fellow countrymen cover the full spectrum of intelectual types.
> As for smugness, it's pretty laughable, someone who presumes to
> assign me a reading list talking about smugness.
I've never considered smugness a national characteristic. I've met smug
in all countries and in all colours.
> I won't even bother to get in to the absurdity of someone from England
> lamenting another country's propensity for war.
Historically England certainly has done more than it's share of
troublemaking, but she hasn't the capacity to do it in her own these
days. England and Australia just hang on the US coat tails and say "How
high" when the US says "jump".
>
> If you knew me you'd know I am the first one to criticize my country
> when I think it is doing wrong, but Cliff's salvo and Mike's follow up
> just brought out the "Nobody talks about my sister but me" in me.
> Forgive me for defending my country.
Nothing to forgive Larry.
I was pretty serious about the relationship between your economy and the
arms manufacturers though. The French also have a similar problem.
If the developed countries spent as much on useful things (a decent
health system) as they do on the manufacture of weapons and expensive
toys like the space program the world would be a much better place.
MJRB
Les Cargill
> Larry Brown wrote:
<snip>
>
> I was pretty serious about the relationship between your economy and the
> arms manufacturers though. The French also have a similar problem.
>
US expenditures on military are as much about scholarships
and health care as about arms per se.
http://www.naccrra.org/MilitaryPrograms/
And "rent a nice French bomb" for the rest...
http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/f/frankzappa1574/dumballover278246.html
> If the developed countries spent as much on useful things (a decent
> health system)
We spend more in the US than most other places on healthcare. It's
imperfect, but I rather doubt it's "indecent."
> as they do on the manufacture of weapons and expensive
> toys like the space program the world would be a much better place.
>
> MJRB
Ya think? I doubt that. Besides, it's in the Constitution - "... to
provide for the common defense."
--
Les Cargill
persisten...@yahoo.com
Nice.
P..:-)
persisten...@yahoo.com
<wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:13:01 GMT, persisten...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>>I once placed an electronic engineer from San Diego on a mobile-phone
>>network roll-out in Morocco. Two weeks before he was due to fly he
>>'phoned me at 2.00 A.M. to ask if he needed a passport for Morocco.
>>
>>How's that for a failure of intellect and education? The guy had taken
>>a job in a country he had never even looked up in an atlas, didn't
>>know what he needed to get into the country, and didn't even realise
>>that there was a time difference between California and the UK.
>>
>>How he convinced Siemens to hire him I've no idea...
>
>And you hired him? (I'm not sure what "I once placed an electronic
>engineer..." means)
It means I sent his CV to a guy in an office in Nuremburg who thought
it was worth picking up the 'phone and talking to him about the job in
Morocco and then the guy in San Diego convinced the guy in Nuremberg
that he was good for the job. Then the guy from Nuremberg called me
and we had a conversation about when I could get him out to Morocco
and how much it would cost his company and then I sat down with a
calculator and did a few sums about what I thought was the least money
I could offer the San Diego guy and how much I could charge the guy in
Nuremburg for his services and had a quick think about whether or not
I would get stiffed for his flights or simply pass them off as part of
the deal with the guy in Nuremburg. Then I made two 'phone calls, one
to the guy in San diego and then one to the guy in Nuremburg and
worked out how the horse trading was going to happen and fixed the
deal in which the guy in Nuremburg paid his contract rate and coughed
up for his transit fares from San Diego to Morocco on a guaranteed
three month contract with the possibility of a further three month
extension. The man in Nuremburg agreed to pay $50 an hour for the guy
from San Diego and his fares and the guy from San Diego agreed to work
for $30 an hour plus his travel expenses.
Which is why I made $20 an hour for three months for taking the
trouble to make maybe five or six calls.
That's what 'placing an electronic engineer' means.
But...it also means having to pick up the phone at 2.00 A.M. from
people who can build radio telephone networks but don't know that
Morocco is on the other side of the world.
Larry, I know, will realise that I'm winding him up..:-)
Happy New Year!
Pete
Mike Brown
Bloody middlemen.
MJRB
Misifus
All couth, him.
-Raf :)
Cliff
seems:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8436535.stm
Listening to Martin Hayes and Dennis Cahill here on New Years Day,
seems just right after a bracing two mile walk in the ice along the
Goyt River.
Happy 2010.
C.