Is Stu Hamm....
Kurgan666
I know many of you here might not dig him, but his work on the
Gambale, Smith, Hamm project is just phenomenal (IMO).
His solo the song "Astral Taveler" (3:40) is just jaw-dropping. And
WTF is he doing on "Wrong and Strong?" Truly amazing.
Plus, I think he holds the bottom-end down really well on the
non-showcase pieces.
Why this guy isn't better known in more musical circles is beyond me.
Just though I'd share.
C.
Brian
on some g3 shows as well..
Brian
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Da Parrot-chick
a gig with Cher's band. They said he didn't fit the physical profile of a
stage performer; they wanted someone more photogenic and were willing to
trade musicianship for good looks. So don't be putting him on an idealistic
platform of purity; the man likes getting paid just like the rest of us.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Dixie Normus
deservedly so.
Its unfortunate, however, that a man so talented and such a hard worker uses
a tone that sounds like ass. Just my opinion, but his tone is ass. He used
to have a great sound on his earlier solo albums, but the tone he uses on
the Gambale, Hamm and Smith CD is absolutely terrible.
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"Dixie Normus" <DNo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> IMO he's very well known in the bass community, very well respected, and
> deservedly so.
>
> Its unfortunate, however, that a man so talented and such a hard worker
uses
> a tone that sounds like ass. Just my opinion, but his tone is ass. He
used
> to have a great sound on his earlier solo albums, but the tone he uses on
> the Gambale, Hamm and Smith CD is absolutely terrible.
Get outta here--I think that album kicks arse! Well, there ya go. I'm just
glad to see one of the virtuosos of the bass world with such a cool gig.
Kurgan666
> deservedly so.
>
> Its unfortunate, however, that a man so talented and such a hard worker uses
> a tone that sounds like ass. Just my opinion, but his tone is ass. He used
> to have a great sound on his earlier solo albums, but the tone he uses on
> the Gambale, Hamm and Smith CD is absolutely terrible.
What specifically do you not like about his sound on that album? I'm
no bass expert, but I think his tone is cutting. Maybe not tons of
bottom-end, but it fits the music perfectly.
Brian Rost
>
>>a tone that sounds like ass.
My ass is usually pretty silent, not sure about yours ;)
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David
little noise.
Rob Kloka
>
> Why this guy isn't better known in more musical circles is beyond me.
>
I don't care for his tone, but yes, he's good.
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Frode Berg
Some suggestion to what is good is most welcome.
Especially music he wrote, artistical statements etc.
Thanks in advance,
Frode
PS: I have his first 4 solo albums, and they suck.
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Dixie Normus
"Brian Rost" <ro...@stargen.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dixie Normus" <DNo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >>>>Its unfortunate, however, that a man so talented and such a hard
worker uses
> >>a tone that sounds like ass.
>
> My ass is usually pretty silent, not sure about yours ;)
>
I can assure you, my ass is usually far from silent . . . though sometimes I
am quite childishly impressed by its tone.
Brian Rost
> I would like to understand the work of mr Hamm.
> Some suggestion to what is good is most welcome.
You might try his sideman work with guitarists Joe Satriani, Frank Gambale
and Steve Vai if you really want to work at this ;)
Here's a link:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80307090952&sql=R4430#APPEAR
Da Parrot-chick
> Frode Berg wrote:
> > I would like to understand the work of mr Hamm.
> > Some suggestion to what is good is most welcome.
> > PS: I have his first 4 solo albums, and they suck.
>
> You might try his sideman work with guitarists Joe Satriani, Frank Gambale
> and Steve Vai if you really want to work at this ;)
>
> Here's a link:
>
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80307090952&sql=R4430#APPEAR
My favorite Hamm album is still his first: "Radio Free Albimuth". It seems
that all his solo work since then was made to please the writers and pals at
BP magazine and whomever had built his bass rather than artistic merit. I
far prefer his work as a sideman; that's where he really shines.
Kurgan666
From what I've read in this NG, his latter solo stuff isn't very
impressive. However, what he does with Gambale and Smith is
spectacular.
Frode Berg
My friend has one of those CD's, I'll ask him to lend it to me!
Take care,
Frode
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Oliver Sampson
wrote:
Hmmm. My fave is Kings of Sleep. His tapping, especially when
considered in context of the times, is surreal. Keep in mind that for
independent two handed technique, he was *the* trend-setter. Sure
others have come since then, but Stu was The Man for a long time.
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Oh my gawd--you're kidding, right? You never heard of Michael Manring,
Billy Sheehan, Stanley Jordan, Nico Assumpcao, Eddie Van Halen? I heard a
recording of Tal Farlow using tapping in a 1950's recording!
Stu is great but the only trend he set was using that weird-looking bass for
so long.
Oliver Sampson
wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. My fave is Kings of Sleep. His tapping, especially when
>> considered in context of the times, is surreal. Keep in mind that for
>> independent two handed technique, he was *the* trend-setter. Sure
>> others have come since then, but Stu was The Man for a long time.
>
>Oh my gawd--you're kidding, right?
Oh my gawd, no.
> You never heard of Michael Manring,
Up until Stu, he was doing light fare Windham Hill stuff. Thonk (and
a real showing of his prowess) came later.
>Billy Sheehan,
Notice that I used the word "independent." That was in an effort to
try to separate Stu from Billy. Billy is/was more of a
Tap-Hammer-Pull-off kind of tapper in the school of Eddie Van Halen,
rather than a Tap Tap Tap (for lack of a better description) kind of
player. And no I'm not suggesting that BS learned it from EVH, just
that they style is more similar to what SH was doing.
> Stanley Jordan,
We're talking about bass players right?
> Nico Assumpcao,
Actually, no, I've never heard of him.
> Eddie Van Halen?
See Billy Sheehan above.
I heard a
>recording of Tal Farlow using tapping in a 1950's recording!
>
>Stu is great but the only trend he set was using that weird-looking bass for
>so long.
>
I think if you start putting the recordings in chronological order,
you'll find that the techniques he used on Radio Free Albemuth came
right after Stanley Jordan, and weren't being done by anybody else at
the time. I'm differentiating between run of the mill "tapping" and
more "chapman stick on a bass" type tapping here.
Who's this Nico guy?
Da Parrot-chick
> > You never heard of Michael Manring,
>
> Up until Stu, he was doing light fare Windham Hill stuff. Thonk (and
> a real showing of his prowess) came later.
I know a lot of people dismissed his forst two albums as fluff, but that
isn't my impression at all. I did get the distinct impression that "Thonk"
was meant more as a gift to his rock-based supporters at BP magazine than an
example of his own style. IMHO.
> >Billy Sheehan,
>
> Notice that I used the word "independent." That was in an effort to
> try to separate Stu from Billy. Billy is/was more of a
> Tap-Hammer-Pull-off kind of tapper in the school of Eddie Van Halen,
> rather than a Tap Tap Tap (for lack of a better description) kind of
> player. And no I'm not suggesting that BS learned it from EVH, just
> that they style is more similar to what SH was doing.
>
> > Stanley Jordan,
>
> We're talking about bass players right?
That was just an example of the the age of the technique. The Chapman Stick
is from the early 1970s, no? The earliest recording I have heard was
Alphonse Johnson from that period.
> I think if you start putting the recordings in chronological order,
> you'll find that the techniques he used on Radio Free Albemuth came
> right after Stanley Jordan, and weren't being done by anybody else at
> the time. I'm differentiating between run of the mill "tapping" and
> more "chapman stick on a bass" type tapping here.
True. "Magic Touch was released in 1981 and RFA in 1990. Tony Levin was
playing the CS w/King Crimson around the early 1980s. I'd say Stanley was
the first person to gain mainstream attention for tapping at the level he
did, although EVH was doing it on VH's first album.
> Who's this Nico guy?
Oh man. That's like a piano player saying, "Who's this Art Tatum guy?" :)
Oliver, check this out: http://www.assumpcao.com/main.htm
Nico died a couple years ago from leukemia. But he left an enormous legacy
behind him. A good place to start would be Larry Coryell's "Live in Bahia"
CD. Listen to his intro to "Vera Cruz". Boy oh boy do you have a world of
discovery ahead of you!
Brian Rost
> "Oliver Sampson" <ol...@quickaudio.com> wrote
>>Who's this Nico guy?
>
>
> Oh man. That's like a piano player saying, "Who's this Art Tatum guy?" :)
Well, I listen to a lot of jazz, I've never heard of him either, but I
have heard Art Tatum and I don't even play the piano ;)
Too much music, too little time.
Da Parrot-chick
> Da Parrot-chick wrote:
> > "Oliver Sampson" <ol...@quickaudio.com> wrote
>
> >>Who's this Nico guy?
> >
> >
> > Oh man. That's like a piano player saying, "Who's this Art Tatum guy?"
:)
>
> Well, I listen to a lot of jazz, I've never heard of him either, but I
> have heard Art Tatum and I don't even play the piano ;)
>
> Too much music, too little time.
Check out Joe Henderson's "Double Rainbow" CD; he plays bass fiddle on half
the tracks (Christian McBride plays on the other half).