I finally did it.
Todd Clayton
I cut all my hair off.
I look like Eskil Simmonson.
I actually quite like it!
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How far I've fallen, Dancing in the ruins of Purgatory.
nightmare
the year:
>
>I cut all my hair off.
>
>I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
>I actually quite like it!
>
Dude it must be going round in waves. I shaved my head about two weeks ago
and it is awesome after letting it grow for a year and a half to two years.
I didn't shave it down to the scalp and I never will, but having it cut
short is quite a nice change.
--
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It's only fear under another name"-Max Q
J. Wood
> And now they want to crown djt...@djtodd.com (Todd Clayton) as the ghost of
> the year:
>
> >
> >I cut all my hair off.
> >
> >I look like Eskil Simmonson.
> >
> >I actually quite like it!
> >
>
> Dude it must be going round in waves. I shaved my head about two weeks ago
> and it is awesome after letting it grow for a year and a half to two years.
> I didn't shave it down to the scalp and I never will, but having it cut
> short is quite a nice change.
>
You too? Fuck, must be contagious. I dunno, I think the best part is in
waking up or getting out of the shower, waiting for your hair to get in your
face, and then realizing you don't need to give a shit anymore. Freedom.
J
Shaen H
Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote:
>
> I cut all my hair off.
>
> I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
> I actually quite like it!
dude.....! whoa! i didn't think you were actually going to go through
with it.
i think i'm going to keep mine. i miss being a short hair but i want
to grow it longer once again before i go bald.
i suck for not being able to liberate from this material bondage.
way to go, todd.
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Before you buy.
Brett Banditelli
the maybe 1 inch area, everyone in school has been pissin me off about
it, well, its good for water polo, and in an unrelated issue, my bro
wearing his "I [Heart] explosives" shirt today, yah know general
hoodie rotation, and one of the teachers said to the degree of of "How
can you wear that after what hapene dyesterday?[we had a bomb note]"
and basically he just spazzed, and its funny as all hell when my bro
spazzes
On Sat, 04 Mar 2000 00:43:33 GMT, "J. Wood"
<con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote:
>nightmare wrote:
>
>> And now they want to crown djt...@djtodd.com (Todd Clayton) as the ghost of
>> the year:
>>
>> >
>> >I cut all my hair off.
>> >
>> >I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>> >
>> >I actually quite like it!
>> >
>>
Jamie Rosen
> I cut all my hair off.
>
> I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
> I actually quite like it!
Now you're an synthpop-EBM hottie! Ladies, look out!
--
"You dream me, I you/Don't worry, I won't wake you/Before you wake up
yourself/ You dream me, I you/Don't worry, I'll find you/Before you wake
up yourself." -- Einsturzende Neubauten, "Stella Maris" (translated from
the German)
Pandora
> I cut all my hair off.
>
> I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
> I actually quite like it!
I think that everyone should do that at least once. In one of my more
radical moments, I shaved my head after having 4 inch spikes for 2
years. It's such a great feeling just having peach fuzz. I now know
what you guys go through every time you shave. I wouldn't do it again,
but it was interesting to see the reactions I received from family and
friends....as I told no one of my choice and watch them go absolutely
wonky. hehehe
Well.....let's see it then.
Rachel
np: The Tear Garden - Sheila Liked The Rodeo
Per
>
> I cut all my hair off.
>
> I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
> I actually quite like it!
YAY! One less hippy!
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con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net says...
> > >I cut all my hair off.
> >
>
Shaven heads fuck much more horny
I know this for quite a while!
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probably wouldn't have bothered wasting the bandwidth on this... ;))
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downfall
> I cut all my hair off.
poor bastard...
> I look like Eskil Simmonson.
and you're happy?
> I actually quite like it!
does this mean when you masturbate, in a mirror, you're actually
watching eskil masturbate? if so do you like it?
-downfall
"if you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today." - warren ellis
Medusa
In article <38C05058...@djtodd.com>, Todd Clayton
<djt...@djtodd.com> wrote:
>I cut all my hair off.
>I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>I actually quite like it!
Last year in June I had 9 inches of my hair cut off. People still don't
recognize me, it would seem. The downside is that I have to get it cut
every 3 weeks now for it to look right/still be shaved short in the back.
(Ah, the joys of discovering the 11 dollar hair cut at Hair Cuttery). The
upside is 1. People don't recognize me ;), 2. I don't have to do
anything with it, and 3. It's easier to wear wigs now.
--
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Todd Clayton
>
> In article <38C05058...@djtodd.com>,
> Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote:
> >
> > I cut all my hair off.
> >
> > I look like Eskil Simmonson.
> >
> > I actually quite like it!
>
> with it.
Neither did I. Actually, the guy who did it is Melinda's (from work)
brother. He did a really good job.
> i think i'm going to keep mine. i miss being a short hair but i want
> to grow it longer once again before i go bald.
We can switch places then. ;)
> i suck for not being able to liberate from this material bondage.
Listen, I think we've come to the conclusion that you're really not all
that Industrial Shane. I think I'll replace your picture on DirectNet on
monday with a picture of Bill Leeb.
Todd Clayton
One more step closer to looking like downfall. Backstreet boy #102.
> > I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>
> and you're happy?
Yup. As Jamie pointed out, I'm now truly a synth-pop hottie. ;)
> > I actually quite like it!
>
> does this mean when you masturbate, in a mirror, you're actually
> watching eskil masturbate? if so do you like it?
Mmm... Eskil... Tell me about the water... Slurp.
Jessica Webster
--
Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote in message
news:38C12459...@djtodd.com...
> downfall wrote:
> >
> > Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote:
> > > I cut all my hair off.
> >
> > poor bastard...
>
> One more step closer to looking like downfall. Backstreet boy #102.
>
> > > I look like Eskil Simmonson.
> >
> > and you're happy?
>
> Yup. As Jamie pointed out, I'm now truly a synth-pop hottie. ;)
>
> > > I actually quite like it!
> >
> > does this mean when you masturbate, in a mirror, you're actually
> > watching eskil masturbate? if so do you like it?
>
> Mmm... Eskil... Tell me about the water... Slurp.
Shocked the hell out of me.
I second the mmmmmmmmm!
--
Jessica Webster
--
"I have often wished I had time to cultivate modesty....but I am too busy
thinking about myself."
-Dame Edith Sitwell
Shaen H
> > >
> >
through
> > with it.
>
> Neither did I. Actually, the guy who did it is Melinda's (from work)
> brother. He did a really good job.
>
> > i think i'm going to keep mine. i miss being a short hair but i
want
> > to grow it longer once again before i go bald.
>
> We can switch places then. ;)
>
> > i suck for not being able to liberate from this material bondage.
>
> Listen, I think we've come to the conclusion that you're really not
all
> that Industrial Shane. I think I'll replace your picture on DirectNet
on
> monday with a picture of Bill Leeb.
>
damn. i try so hard.
Project Mercury (aka Badger)
:
: I cut all my hair off.
:
: I look like Eskil Simmonson.
:
: I actually quite like it!
Traitor! I am not fucking cutting mine. 9 years and still going.
badger
eschaton
So it is 4 1/2 feet long then, assuming that your hair grows 1/2 an inch
a month like most. Or did you mean you haven't cut it off in 9 years?
To even out RMI's shaggy-headedness, I have been trying to grow my hair
back again since july or so. I have trimmed the sides and the back in
order to avoid the 70's look, and the top is now to the in my eyes stage
or so...in another two inches it will look halfway decent...always
another two inches it seems.
Who am I kidding...it's never going to reach my shoulders...I am
probably going to bleach it and get a mohawk by the summer. Then dye it
blue or something. I am never going back to liberty spikes
though...what high maintenance that was.
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synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
"Project Mercury (aka Badger)" wrote:
> Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote in message
> news:38C05058...@djtodd.com...
> :
> : I cut all my hair off.
> :
> : I look like Eskil Simmonson.
> :
> : I actually quite like it!
>
> Traitor! I am not fucking cutting mine. 9 years and still going.
>
> badger
Power to you. I've been working on mine for 5 years now..
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Synapse - http://fall-in.to/absolution
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Todd Clayton
>
> Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote in message
> news:38C05058...@djtodd.com...
> :
> : I cut all my hair off.
> :
> : I look like Eskil Simmonson.
> :
> : I actually quite like it!
>
> Traitor! I am not fucking cutting mine. 9 years and still going.
Had mine for 12. It was time for a change!
necKro
Project Mercury (aka Badger) <bad...@xcentric.net> wrote:
>Traitor! I am not fucking cutting mine. 9 years and still going.
About 3 for mine. I had it growing for about 2 years but then had
to get it cut. So about 5 years total of being a long-haired hippy.
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----- (you work it out)
Zoviet Squid
>Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote in message
>news:38C05058...@djtodd.com...
>:
>: I cut all my hair off.
>:
>: I look like Eskil Simmonson.
>:
>: I actually quite like it!
>
>Traitor! I am not fucking cutting mine. 9 years and still going.
I had mine for about 12 or 13 years, down to my ass. Then I cut that shit and
it was probably the best decision I ever made.
--zoviet squid
"shit...everything shits until it dies."--Bukowski
VoltAire
: Had mine for 12. It was time for a change!
what does your wife have to do with cutting your hair?
VoltAire
: I had mine for about 12 or 13 years, down to my ass.
since you were 2? damn
Zoviet Squid
Well, if I had cut it 5 years ago.
rafer
mark the calendar kids, we've sunken to a new low
--
who are you?
rafer/AT/hotbot/DOT/com
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
rafer wrote:
There had to be some residual effect from all the little goths running
around in here a few months ago.
Project Mercury (aka Badger)
:
: So it is 4 1/2 feet long then, assuming that your hair grows 1/2 an inch
: a month like most. Or did you mean you haven't cut it off in 9 years?
I have trimmed (around an inch or so) twice in 9 years. total. its down to
my waist now.
eschaton
"Project Mercury (aka Badger)" wrote:
Even when I had long hair, I never let it get much over 18 inches (just to my
shoulders)...any longer and it somehow looked...wrong...I dunno...got alot more
scraggly if I didn't trim it too. I am growing my hair back now though, mostly
cuz I fear my hairline might be receding, so I want to enjoy long hair the last
time I can be sure it will still be thick and lusterous.
Todd Clayton
>
> now we're discussing our new haircuts on rmi...
>
> mark the calendar kids, we've sunken to a new low
Actually, we first discussed hair cuts about 6 months or so ago.
rafer
3unser...@spc.edu (The Industrial Love KittenLady) wrote:
>
>Does this mean I can post URL's to pics of haircuts I'm thinking
of
>getting and having the populace vote on them? ;)
>
>-Leonora
cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
i would ask that you return the favor. i'd feel dirty knowing
that you were reading my posts
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frolicking with the rabbits just long enough to scratch out:
>now we're discussing our new haircuts on rmi...
>
>mark the calendar kids, we've sunken to a new low
Does this mean I can post URL's to pics of haircuts I'm thinking of
getting and having the populace vote on them? ;)
-Leonora
------------------------------------------------[ www.kittenlady.com ]----
And I do lift my aching arms to you,
And I do lift my anguished, avid breast,
And I do weep for very pain of you,
And fling myself at the doors of sleep, for rest.
---[ we...@kittenlady.com ]-----------------------------------------------
Jamie Rosen
> In article <38c478bf...@enews.newsguy.com>,
> 3unser...@spc.edu (The Industrial Love KittenLady) wrote:
>>
> of
>>getting and having the populace vote on them? ;)
>>
>>-Leonora
>
WTF? What did she do to deserve getting killfiled?
--
"You dream me, I you/Don't worry, I won't wake you/Before you wake up
yourself/ You dream me, I you/Don't worry, I'll find you/Before you wake
up yourself." -- Einsturzende Neubauten, "Stella Maris" (translated from
the German)
The Industrial Love KittenLady
stopped frolicking with the rabbits just long enough to scratch out:
>
>WTF? What did she do to deserve getting killfiled?
My currently dull hairstyle breeds animosity among neanderthals.
TheHangedMan
Love KittenLady) babbled something about:
>On 7 Mar 2000 06:13:25 GMT, dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen)
>stopped frolicking with the rabbits just long enough to scratch out:
>
>>
>>WTF? What did she do to deserve getting killfiled?
>
>My currently dull hairstyle breeds animosity among neanderthals.
>
I thought maybe it was the joke... There'll be no humor around these
parts, missy.
G.
eschaton
The Industrial Love KittenLady wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:07:58 GMT, rafer <no....@hotbot.com> stopped
> frolicking with the rabbits just long enough to scratch out:
>
> >now we're discussing our new haircuts on rmi...
> >
> >mark the calendar kids, we've sunken to a new low
>
> Does this mean I can post URL's to pics of haircuts I'm thinking of
> getting and having the populace vote on them? ;)
No, but if you can represent them in ASCII I am sure that the NG would be
happy to help
>
>
> -Leonora
> ------------------------------------------------[ www.kittenlady.com ]----
> And I do lift my aching arms to you,
> And I do lift my anguished, avid breast,
> And I do weep for very pain of you,
> And fling myself at the doors of sleep, for rest.
> ---[ we...@kittenlady.com ]-----------------------------------------------
--
rafer
dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
>rafer (raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid) writes:
>>
>> cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
>
>
being lame. i'm a lot less tolerant these days (i used to never
killfile), but i completely blame that on the level of absolute
crap rmi has apparently sunken to... this newsgroup used to have
some rather intelligent discussions circulating though it
(ofcourse the high level of testosterone always accompanied it),
but the posters with something actually *thoughtful* and
*considered* to say have evidently been driven out, and now i
have to sift through piles of brainfarts to read a couple of
worthwhile posts
besides, what's it matter to you who i do or don't killfile,
cheeky?
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
rafer wrote:
>
>
> being lame. i'm a lot less tolerant these days (i used to never
> killfile), but i completely blame that on the level of absolute
> crap rmi has apparently sunken to... this newsgroup used to have
> some rather intelligent discussions circulating though it
> (ofcourse the high level of testosterone always accompanied it),
> but the posters with something actually *thoughtful* and
> *considered* to say have evidently been driven out, and now i
> have to sift through piles of brainfarts to read a couple of
> worthwhile posts
Your posts don't seem to be miracles of thought, either.
Jamie Rosen
> In article <8a26m5$8km$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>,
> dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
>>rafer (raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid) writes:
>>>
>>> cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
>>
>>WTF? What did she do to deserve getting killfiled?
>
> being lame.
I thought it was funny, given the context of the thread.
> i'm a lot less tolerant these days (i used to never
> killfile), but i completely blame that on the level of absolute
> crap rmi has apparently sunken to... this newsgroup used to have
> some rather intelligent discussions circulating though it
> (ofcourse the high level of testosterone always accompanied it),
> but the posters with something actually *thoughtful* and
> *considered* to say have evidently been driven out, and now i
> have to sift through piles of brainfarts to read a couple of
> worthwhile posts
Well, Leonora has contributed to plenty of real conversations in her day.
I daresay you react so badly because, before you were killfiling, you
probably didn't pay attention to who said half of what you read. So now
that you've started killfiling, you're doing so without being mindful of
the past (and thus, the possibilities of the future.)
And does a post rudely informing someone they're being killfiled (to the
extent of saying you were embarassed she had been reading your posts)
really count as a *thoughtful* and *considerate* contribution to the
discussion on the newsgroup? Or should you killfile yourself too?
> besides, what's it matter to you who i do or don't killfile,
> cheeky?
Ordinarily, it wouldn't have mattered to me because I wouldn't know;
however, you went out of your way to proclaim to everyone that you were
killfiling her, and insult her while you were at it. Have you killfiled
everyone else in the thread? I mean, what does the discussion of haircuts
have to do with industrial music in the first place? Why were you even
*reading* that thread?
Jessica Webster
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Jamie Rosen <dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:8a44r5$3m7$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
> rafer (raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid) writes:
> > In article <8a26m5$8km$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>,
> > dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
> >>rafer (raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid) writes:
> >>>
> >>> cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
> >>
> >>WTF? What did she do to deserve getting killfiled?
> >
> > being lame.
>
> I thought it was funny, given the context of the thread.
>
> > i'm a lot less tolerant these days (i used to never
> > killfile), but i completely blame that on the level of absolute
> > crap rmi has apparently sunken to... this newsgroup used to have
> > some rather intelligent discussions circulating though it
> > (ofcourse the high level of testosterone always accompanied it),
> > but the posters with something actually *thoughtful* and
> > *considered* to say have evidently been driven out, and now i
> > have to sift through piles of brainfarts to read a couple of
> > worthwhile posts
>
> Well, Leonora has contributed to plenty of real conversations in her day.
> I daresay you react so badly because, before you were killfiling, you
> probably didn't pay attention to who said half of what you read. So now
> that you've started killfiling, you're doing so without being mindful of
> the past (and thus, the possibilities of the future.)
I'm gong to agree with Jamie here. I'm relatively new to various aspects of
"industrial", or "post-industrial" music (whichever you prefer), and Leonora
is one of the people from whom I've learned a considerable amount. Besides,
that post was obviously in *good* fun.
VoltAire
: rafer wrote:
:>
:>
:> being lame. i'm a lot less tolerant these days (i used to never
:> killfile), but i completely blame that on the level of absolute
:> crap rmi has apparently sunken to... this newsgroup used to have
:> some rather intelligent discussions circulating though it
:> (ofcourse the high level of testosterone always accompanied it),
:> but the posters with something actually *thoughtful* and
:> *considered* to say have evidently been driven out, and now i
:> have to sift through piles of brainfarts to read a couple of
:> worthwhile posts
: Your posts don't seem to be miracles of thought, either.
it must be all the rofies hes been slipping in his own beer
VoltAire
: cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
: i would ask that you return the favor. i'd feel dirty knowing
: that you were reading my posts
Do you feel dirty knowing I just touched by dick right before the last time
I gave you a "high five"?
VoltAire
: rafer <raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid> wrote:
: : cute, but sadly not cute enough to avoid my killfile
: : i would ask that you return the favor. i'd feel dirty knowing
: : that you were reading my posts
: Do you feel dirty knowing I just touched <my> dick right before the last time
: I gave you a "high five"?
hiccup! scuse me
rafer
dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
>
>And does a post rudely informing someone they're being killfiled
(to the
>extent of saying you were embarassed she had been reading your
posts)
>really count as a *thoughtful* and *considerate* contribution to
the
>discussion on the newsgroup? Or should you killfile yourself
too?
>
i don't cruise this newsgroup to score social points... you're
getting me confused with yourself. rather than condemning me for
pointing out the faults of this newsgroup, perhaps you should
cease being part of the problem
>> besides, what's it matter to you who i do or don't killfile,
>> cheeky?
>
>Ordinarily, it wouldn't have mattered to me because I wouldn't
know;
>however, you went out of your way to proclaim to everyone that
you were
>killfiling her, and insult her while you were at it. Have you
killfiled
>everyone else in the thread? I mean, what does the discussion of
haircuts
>have to do with industrial music in the first place? Why were
you even
>*reading* that thread?
>
the title of the thread was "i finally did it," which doesn't
really imply whether it was a discussion on the latest fashion
trend of the rmi clubhouse or a poster's confession of
assassinating bill leeb, sooo... youre making very little sense.
and even if it did have any indication, i would still point out
the absurdity of it, regardless of your disapproval
if you can't handle my posts, perhaps you should develop thicker
skin or for your own benefit, skip my posts entirely if it's
going to crack the glass house you apparently reside in
rafer
artist formerly known as flesh)" <fl...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>Your posts don't seem to be miracles of thought, either.
>
beside yours, they certainly appear so!
Jamie Rosen
> In article <8a44r5$3m7$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>,
> dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
>>
>>And does a post rudely informing someone they're being killfiled
> (to the
>>extent of saying you were embarassed she had been reading your
> posts)
>>really count as a *thoughtful* and *considerate* contribution to
> the
>>discussion on the newsgroup? Or should you killfile yourself
> too?
>>
>
> i don't cruise this newsgroup to score social points... you're
> getting me confused with yourself. rather than condemning me for
> pointing out the faults of this newsgroup, perhaps you should
> cease being part of the problem
I'm sorry, I don't see myself as part of the problem. Sure, I do my bit of
off-topic posting, but for me (and many others) that's part of the appeal
of the newsgroup; it was like that when I got here, and I don't have a
problem with it. There's a difference between some silliness and
out-and-out trolling, and you seem to be painting it all with the same brush.
You also seem to be mistaking common courtesy for cruising the newsgroup
"to score social points." A newsgroup is, like it or not, a social
environment; you obviously had some interest in getting people to react,
otherwise you would have simply killfiled her, rather than killfiling her
*and* posting the fact that you had done so to the newsgroup.
>>> besides, what's it matter to you who i do or don't killfile,
>>> cheeky?
>>
>>Ordinarily, it wouldn't have mattered to me because I wouldn't
> know;
>>however, you went out of your way to proclaim to everyone that
> you were
>>killfiling her, and insult her while you were at it. Have you
> killfiled
>>everyone else in the thread? I mean, what does the discussion of
> haircuts
>>have to do with industrial music in the first place? Why were
> you even
>>*reading* that thread?
>
> the title of the thread was "i finally did it," which doesn't
> really imply whether it was a discussion on the latest fashion
> trend of the rmi clubhouse or a poster's confession of
> assassinating bill leeb, sooo... youre making very little sense.
So you mean you had managed to go all those days since DJ Todd posted the
start of the thread (have you killfiled him yet?) without reading a single
installment of it? I'm impressed, that must have taken an extraordinary
ammount of coincidences, especially since you posted in it -- and a post
saying "We've sunk to a new low" contributes absolutely *nothing* to
fixing any sort of problem you may see.
> and even if it did have any indication, i would still point out
> the absurdity of it, regardless of your disapproval
Yes, but you can simply ignore a thread. Have you killfiled everyone who
took part in the Penis for All Seasons cascade? If I'm not mistaken (which
I may be, my newsreader doesn't have a killfile option) you can even
killfile threads instead of posters.
> if you can't handle my posts, perhaps you should develop thicker
> skin or for your own benefit, skip my posts entirely if it's
> going to crack the glass house you apparently reside in
I was just trying to figure out why you felt the need to behave like a
dick-waving asshole to Leonora and public broadcast that you were
killfiling her after *one* off topic (and extraordinarily inoffensive)
post. Especially after you've taken part in a few of them yourself (I
direct you to the misnamed "Native American Industrial" thread, for
instance, wherein you discuss such off-topic concepts as affirmative action
and the treatment of natives in the United States; also see your post
taking people to task for wasting bandwidth on a thread with troll's names
in the header [which you could have done via e-mail, thus not a)
contributing to the off-topic posts, and b) wasting more bandwidth].)
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
rafer wrote:
> In article <38C5B01B...@midsouth.rr.com>, "synapse (the
> artist formerly known as flesh)" <fl...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Your posts don't seem to be miracles of thought, either.
> >
>
> beside yours, they certainly appear so!
Your cutting wit astounds me.
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
Jamie Rosen wrote:
> rYou also seem to be mistaking common courtesy for cruising the newsgroup
> "to score social points." A newsgroup is, like it or not, a social
> environment; you obviously had some interest in getting people to react,
> otherwise you would have simply killfiled her, rather than killfiling her
> *and* posting the fact that you had done so to the newsgroup.
He's just acting like a little kid, maybe if we ignore him he'd stop bullying.
<sniff sniff>
VoltAire
: Well, Leonora has contributed to plenty of real conversations in her day.
: And does a post rudely informing someone they're being killfiled (to the
: extent of saying you were embarassed she had been reading your posts)
: really count as a *thoughtful* and *considerate* contribution to the
: discussion on the newsgroup? Or should you killfile yourself too?
: extent of saying you were embarassed she had been reading your posts)
: really count as a *thoughtful* and *considerate* contribution to the
: discussion on the newsgroup? Or should you killfile yourself too?
[ Snip extended defense of the love kittens posts]
Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve killfiling,
but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about haircuts,
or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net perverts
to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins? C'mon , be honest
how many of you undersexed computer geeks who jumped to Leornas aide, like
a night in virtual armor, wernt secretly hoping that she'd email you a brief
note thanking you for you chivalrous words, which would be follwed by you
Icqing each other back and forth, and which would eventually end up
in a wet and sweaty clusterfuck involving you, her, and one of her
little lady "friends"///hmmmm...come to think of it...rofer, you bastard,
how could you say such mean mean things about Leorna? bad rofer! bad rofer!
<grin>
Vlt
Jamie Rosen
>
> [ Snip extended defense of the love kittens posts]
>
> Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve killfiling,
> but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
> of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about haircuts,
> or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net perverts
> to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins? C'mon , be honest
> how many of you undersexed computer geeks who jumped to Leornas aide, like
> a night in virtual armor, wernt secretly hoping that she'd email you a brief
> note thanking you for you chivalrous words, which would be follwed by you
> Icqing each other back and forth, and which would eventually end up
> in a wet and sweaty clusterfuck involving you, her, and one of her
> little lady "friends"///hmmmm...come to think of it...rofer, you bastard,
> how could you say such mean mean things about Leorna? bad rofer! bad rofer!
> <grin>
Well, I don't think my girlfriend would approve of that. And I don't even
have ICQ anyway. And the farthest I would travel for sex is to Toronto (no, DJ
Todd, don't get your hopes up, my girlfriend lives there.) Good try,
though, Volty. :)
eschaton
VoltAire wrote:
> Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve killfiling,
> but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
> of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about haircuts,
> or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net perverts
> to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins? C'mon , be honest
I think that Jessica Webster in particular wanted to get her dick in there ;)
VoltAire
: VoltAire wrote:
:> Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve killfiling,
:> but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
:> of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about haircuts,
:> or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net perverts
:> to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins? C'mon , be honest
: I think that Jessica Webster in particular wanted to get her dick in there ;)
That sick girl. She must be a fag. Darn Fags and gays, always ruining the
straight guys chances with the lesbians <<chuckle>>
VoltAire
: Well, I don't think my girlfriend would approve of that.
Haha! Woooooo!! Boy do I feel silly. Of course, we know having a girlfirened
would invariably stop one from jonesing on other women. Of course, silly me.
: And I don't even
: have ICQ anyway.
how about 2 cups and a piece of string?
:And the farthest I would travel for sex is to Toronto (no, DJ
: Todd, don't get your hopes up,
leave Todd alone. hes my dyslexic homosexual disco lesbian
my girlfriend lives there.) Good try,
: though, Volty. :)
please, for silly bastardizations of my name, I prefer Voltron. Mr Voltron,
to you young man :)
Project Mercury (aka Badger)
: >
: > [ Snip extended defense of the love kittens posts]
: > but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
: > of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about
haircuts,
: > or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net
perverts
: > to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins?
Sorry, but No.
Granted Leanora is pretty damn cute, but I am engaged to be married to
another hotty with a brain. So no enticement there.
I would have defended the fun kitten lady anyway, because one simple fact.
She is an intelligent, smart, and good mannered person (unlike most of this
group, sorry guys, but most of you left your manners at the door for some
reason..). That is a simple enough reason to be on her side rather than
yours, or the guy who kill filed her.
If she had posted ideas about hair, I would have given advice and stuff.
It's all about community and discussion. The newsgroup is mostly about
music, but c'mon how is a little hairstyle discussion compared the 1700
Penis posts I was subjected to?
well, that's me...
badger
vsvn...@3-cities.com
"Jessica Webster" <liy...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> --
> "I have often wished I had time to cultivate modesty....but I am too
busy
> thinking about myself."
> -Dame Edith Sitwell
off topic sig file... into the killfile you go! If Deja only had one...
well, I guess that sig sums it all up anyway...
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Todd Clayton
>
> Well, I don't think my girlfriend would approve of that. And I don't even
> have ICQ anyway. And the farthest I would travel for sex is to Toronto (no, DJ
> Todd, don't get your hopes up, my girlfriend lives there.) Good try,
> though, Volty. :)
Pouts.
--
+----------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Todd Clayton aka DJ Todd | Real Synthetic Audio and |
| http://www.industrial-radio.com/ | Synthetic Saturdays at the |
| http://www.djtodd.com/ | Sanctuary. We've got the radio |
| djt...@djtodd.com | and club thing covered. |
| ICQ: 56785153 | I'm the king of all media. |
+----------------------------------+--------------------------------+
How far I've fallen, Dancing in the ruins of Purgatory.
Todd Clayton
>
> VoltAire wrote:
>
> > Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve killfiling,
> > of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about haircuts,
> > or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net perverts
>
> I think that Jessica Webster in particular wanted to get her dick in there ;)
Yeah, I hear she has a huge cock. (ducks)
Todd Clayton
>
> leave Todd alone. hes my dyslexic homosexual disco lesbian
"I've been licking carpet all day, and I still don't feel like a
lesbian!"
- Eric Cartman.
Jessica Webster
--
Todd Clayton <djt...@djtodd.com> wrote in message
news:38C81CF7...@djtodd.com...
> eschaton wrote:
> >
> > VoltAire wrote:
> >
> > > Now, I do agree, idealogically, that Leornas post didnt deserve
killfiling,
> > > but I cant help but wonder whether all this hubbub was really because
> > > of the cosmic injustice of killfilling someone over a post about
haircuts,
> > > or was it in actuallity more motivated by the desire of all you net
perverts
> > > to lay the high, hard hammer of God down on Leornas loins? C'mon , be
honest
> >
> > I think that Jessica Webster in particular wanted to get her dick in
there ;)
>
> Yeah, I hear she has a huge cock. (ducks)
Apparently my cock also has a huge ego to boot. (Whack) Big surprise. It's
pretty fuckin' amazing for a penis, somehow my cock has managed to get the
radio and club thing covered. My cock IS the king of all media.
PS-Leonora, my dick didn't mean to be so forward. Sometimes I have no
control over it.
--
Jessica Webster
Jessica Webster
<vsvn...@3-cities.com> wrote in message news:8a96ec$6es$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <Bnix4.6689$Xk2....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>,
> "Jessica Webster" <liy...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> > --
> > "I have often wished I had time to cultivate modesty....but I am too
> busy
> > thinking about myself."
> > -Dame Edith Sitwell
>
> off topic sig file... into the killfile you go! If Deja only had one...
> well, I guess that sig sums it all up anyway...
GOD DAMMNIT-LEAVE MY SIG AND MY COCK ALONE!!!!!!
--
Jessica Webster
"I will make you shorter by a head."
-Queen Elizabeth I
Jamie Rosen
> Jamie Rosen wrote:
>>
>> Well, I don't think my girlfriend would approve of that. And I don't even
>> have ICQ anyway. And the farthest I would travel for sex is to Toronto (no, DJ
>> Todd, don't get your hopes up, my girlfriend lives there.) Good try,
>> though, Volty. :)
>
> Pouts.
Oh, don't pout. I'll give you free CDs.
Jamie Rosen
> Jamie Rosen <dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>
> : Well, I don't think my girlfriend would approve of that.
>
> would invariably stop one from jonesing on other women. Of course, silly me.
Well, see, she's put up with it in the past, but I'm not about to test her
again.
> : And I don't even
> : have ICQ anyway.
>
> how about 2 cups and a piece of string?
It's just not the same. Besides, you really need both hands to keep the
cup steady.
> :And the farthest I would travel for sex is to Toronto (no, DJ
> : Todd, don't get your hopes up,
>
> leave Todd alone. hes my dyslexic homosexual disco lesbian
I know, I know. But he's such a hotty.
> my girlfriend lives there.) Good try,
> : though, Volty. :)
>
> please, for silly bastardizations of my name, I prefer Voltron. Mr Voltron,
> to you young man :)
How about Voltmeter?
Jessica Webster
Eschaton, I'd watch it if I were you. My dick's coming after you next. I
hear you're in some need of some serious lovin' :)
Todd Clayton
>
> PS-Leonora, my dick didn't mean to be so forward. Sometimes I have no
> control over it.
Oooh.. I didn't have that coming, now did I? Grins.
VoltAire
: Eschaton, I'd watch it if I were you. My dick's coming after you next. I
: hear you're in some need of some serious lovin' :)
Oh! Oh! Oh! Ahhhhhhhh..................
rafer
artist formerly known as flesh)" <fl...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>rafer wrote:
>
>> In article <38C5B01B...@midsouth.rr.com>, "synapse (the
>> artist formerly known as flesh)" <fl...@midsouth.rr.com>
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Your posts don't seem to be miracles of thought, either.
>> >
>>
>> beside yours, they certainly appear so!
>
>Your cutting wit astounds me.
it wasn't an attempt at wit. i was merely pointing out that your
post was flustered with sanctimony coming from the likes of you
rafer
dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
>
>I'm sorry, I don't see myself as part of the problem. Sure, I do
my bit of
>off-topic posting, but for me (and many others) that's part of
the appeal
>of the newsgroup; it was like that when I got here, and I don't
have a
>problem with it. There's a difference between some silliness and
>out-and-out trolling
the only difference I see is that alex is actually aware of what
he's doing
but continue to do whatever the hell you want. just don't expect
me to be silent while your toadies try to homogenize this
newsgroup
>
>You also seem to be mistaking common courtesy for cruising the
newsgroup
>"to score social points." A newsgroup is, like it or not, a
social
>environment; you obviously had some interest in getting people
to react,
>otherwise you would have simply killfiled her, rather than
killfiling her
>*and* posting the fact that you had done so to the newsgroup.
>
i saw a dumb post, and i felt compelled to express my opinion.
anyone who thinks this extremely natural response should be
eradicated obviously has a tyrannical disposition. it's nice to
see the children of today gearing towards fascism
>So you mean you had managed to go all those days since DJ Todd
posted the
>start of the thread (have you killfiled him yet?) without
reading a single
>installment of it? I'm impressed, that must have taken an
extraordinary
>ammount of coincidences, especially since you posted in it --
and a post
>saying "We've sunk to a new low" contributes absolutely
*nothing* to
>fixing any sort of problem you may see.
>
if you could read between the lines, you'd realize that wasn't my
intention
>Yes, but you can simply ignore a thread. Have you killfiled
everyone who
>took part in the Penis for All Seasons cascade? If I'm not
mistaken (which
>I may be, my newsreader doesn't have a killfile option) you can
even
>killfile threads instead of posters.
rather than lecturing on who i should or shouldn't killfile,
perhaps you should take your own advice since it's obvious
that my prickly posts are upsetting you quite a bit
i would ignore such posts i saw an occasional intelligent (or
even informative) post, but apparently that's too much to ask
>I was just trying to figure out why you felt the need to behave
like a
>dick-waving asshole to Leonora and public broadcast that you
were
>killfiling her after *one* off topic (and extraordinarily
inoffensive)
>post.
what's to figure out? it's not rocket science
>Especially after you've taken part in a few of them
yourself (I
>direct you to the misnamed "Native American Industrial" thread,
for
>instance, wherein you discuss such off-topic concepts as
affirmative action
>and the treatment of natives in the United States; also see your
post
>taking people to task for wasting bandwidth on a thread with
troll's names
>in the header [which you could have done via e-mail, thus not a)
>contributing to the off-topic posts, and b) wasting more
bandwidth].)
>
if you had read my posts CLOSELY, you'd notice i never
mentioned anything about being off-topic. and yes, i do partake
in off topic thraeds that actually have _some_ significance.
theres a red line between discussing the complex issues of
affirmative action (which i hardly scratched) as opposed to the
trivial crap your "friends" divulge in. hell, rmi has always
been accompanied with a plethora of off topic stuff, from
darwinism to the grave biological dangers of certain drugs, but
these actually contain some importance
you and your minions prattle on about small potatoes for small
minds... esoteric bullshit that i give just enough shit about to
hound you for, which i do for no other purpose than self-amusemnt
but i'm clearly being more distressing than i woulda gave myself
credit for. so again, if i'm sucking out the joy of your usenet
experience, skipping my posts would probably be in your best
interest
enjoy
Jessica Webster
eschaton <po...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:38C83B51...@csv.warwick.ac.uk...
>
>
> Jessica Webster wrote:
>
> > Eschaton, I'd watch it if I were you. My dick's coming after you next.
I
> > hear you're in some need of some serious lovin' :)
>
> Damn...have I broadcast my virginity that loudly?
>
> I mean...um...er... **sneaking out of room**
>
Not to worry, from what I hear, Todd likes them young and uncorked. Pop him
an email, maybe he'll pop you. (I'm being vindictive). =)
"Life, don't talk to me about life"
-Marvin the robot
eschaton
Jessica Webster wrote:
> Eschaton, I'd watch it if I were you. My dick's coming after you next. I
> hear you're in some need of some serious lovin' :)
Damn...have I broadcast my virginity that loudly?
I mean...um...er... **sneaking out of room**
>
>
> --
> Jessica Webster
>
> "I will make you shorter by a head."
> -Queen Elizabeth I
--
eschaton
"Project Mercury (aka Badger)" wrote:
> If she had posted ideas about hair, I would have given advice and stuff.
> It's all about community and discussion. The newsgroup is mostly about
> music, but c'mon how is a little hairstyle discussion compared the 1700
> Penis posts I was subjected to?
Leave the Penii out of this damnit!!!
eschaton
VoltAire wrote:
> Haha! Woooooo!! Boy do I feel silly. Of course, we know having a girlfirened
> would invariably stop one from jonesing on other women. Of course, silly me.
I always thought 'jonesin' refered to shooting up? Owell...
> please, for silly bastardizations of my name, I prefer Voltron. Mr Voltron,
> to you young man :)
How about Volto-rooter?
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
rafer wrote:
>
> >>
> >> beside yours, they certainly appear so!
> >
> >Your cutting wit astounds me.
>
> it wasn't an attempt at wit. i was merely pointing out that your
> post was flustered with sanctimony coming from the likes of you
The likes of me? <giggle> <hand to forehead>
1. My post to you was a flame, and very much intended as one. It lacked content
because it was a flame.
2. Your idiotic post very much deserved the flame. It not only lacked a rough
understanding of sentence structure and topic, to help it bring across its
ideas, but even if it *had* posessed these qualities they would have been wasted
because it was the most stupid piece of guano I've ever read.
toodles,
Todd Clayton
>
> "Life, don't talk to me about life"
>
> -Marvin the robot
Here I am, a brain the size of a planet, and I'm reading RMI.
Jamie Rosen
argument with someone; now it turns out I've precipitated some sort of
mental breakdown. Viz:
rafer (raferN...@hotbot.com.invalid) writes:
>
> but continue to do whatever the hell you want. just don't expect
> me to be silent while your toadies try to homogenize this
> newsgroup
you had simply chosen the wrong word, but your deluded view that I am
somehow a figure of authority persists throught your post.
As for homogenizing the newsgroup, I'm not quite sure how you can
interpret the occasional off topic post as an attempt to make everyone
involved in the group appear/act/sound the same. Or maybe it was my
(obviously foolish) belief that some courtesy and politeness to others
could be shown? In any event, I'm still not sure how you arrived at this
opinion, other than the obvious reason (which is that it's easier for you
to make ad hominem attacks on my character than actually address my points.)
>>You also seem to be mistaking common courtesy for cruising the
> newsgroup
>>"to score social points." A newsgroup is, like it or not, a
> social
>>environment; you obviously had some interest in getting people
> to react,
>>otherwise you would have simply killfiled her, rather than
> killfiling her
>>*and* posting the fact that you had done so to the newsgroup.
>
> i saw a dumb post, and i felt compelled to express my opinion.
score social points, if you will.
> anyone who thinks this extremely natural response should be
> eradicated obviously has a tyrannical disposition. it's nice to
> see the children of today gearing towards fascism
the ease with which you toss around such weighty words, or amazed at the
fact that you equate not insulting people with an oppressive regime. But
then, this is no doubt an outgrowth of the same pseudo-alternative mindset
that refuses to use capital letters as some sort of juvenile rebellion.
And for your information, it *wasn't* a dumb post. If anything, it was a
post you should have agreed with. It was subtly (ooh, I guess that might
be why you had a problem) mocking the other people in the thread for
discussing their haircuts.
>>So you mean you had managed to go all those days since DJ Todd
> posted the
>>start of the thread (have you killfiled him yet?) without
> reading a single
>>installment of it? I'm impressed, that must have taken an
> extraordinary
>>ammount of coincidences, especially since you posted in it --
> and a post
>>saying "We've sunk to a new low" contributes absolutely
> *nothing* to
>>fixing any sort of problem you may see.
>
> if you could read between the lines, you'd realize that wasn't my
> intention
people, or did you have a constructive point as well? As it stands, it
looks like you were simply contributing to the dross about which you have
complained so vociferously.
>>Yes, but you can simply ignore a thread. Have you killfiled
> everyone who
>>took part in the Penis for All Seasons cascade? If I'm not
> mistaken (which
>>I may be, my newsreader doesn't have a killfile option) you can
> even
>>killfile threads instead of posters.
>
> rather than lecturing on who i should or shouldn't killfile,
> perhaps you should take your own advice since it's obvious
> that my prickly posts are upsetting you quite a bit
Perhaps you'll understand it this time: I don't give two shits about who you
killfile. I'm talking about the way you went about it -- it wasn't even as
polite as a simple *plonk*, you specifically went out of your way to be
insulting. *That* is my problem; the killfiling of a worthwhile
contributer is only a tangential point, now that I've established that you
don't care about the past.
> i would ignore such posts i saw an occasional intelligent (or
> even informative) post, but apparently that's too much to ask
earlier today I came across a thread about FV's lyrics (well-trodden
ground, but informative nonetheless) to which Leonora contributed quite
admirably. But then, I guess you wouldn't have seen that, would you?
>>I was just trying to figure out why you felt the need to behave
> like a
>>dick-waving asshole to Leonora and public broadcast that you
> were
>>killfiling her after *one* off topic (and extraordinarily
> inoffensive)
>>post.
>
> what's to figure out? it's not rocket science
but I still can't figure out why you did it so rudely and publicly. Can
you explain it?
>>Especially after you've taken part in a few of them
> yourself (I
>>direct you to the misnamed "Native American Industrial" thread,
> for
>>instance, wherein you discuss such off-topic concepts as
> affirmative action
>>and the treatment of natives in the United States; also see your
> post
>>taking people to task for wasting bandwidth on a thread with
> troll's names
>>in the header [which you could have done via e-mail, thus not a)
>>contributing to the off-topic posts, and b) wasting more
> bandwidth].)
>
> if you had read my posts CLOSELY, you'd notice i never
> mentioned anything about being off-topic. and yes, i do partake
> in off topic thraeds that actually have _some_ significance.
> theres a red line between discussing the complex issues of
> affirmative action (which i hardly scratched) as opposed to the
> trivial crap your "friends" divulge in. hell, rmi has always
> been accompanied with a plethora of off topic stuff, from
> darwinism to the grave biological dangers of certain drugs, but
> these actually contain some importance
newsgroup for people actually looking for information about industrial
music. You're making it just as hard to find on-topic posts as anyone
else, and if you're so uptight about being able to find subjects worth
reading, you could show the same courtesy to people looking for on-topic
posts as you wish shown to yourself.
> you and your minions prattle on about small potatoes for small
> minds... esoteric bullshit that i give just enough shit about to
> hound you for, which i do for no other purpose than self-amusemnt
although I'm still not clear on how I became some sort of figurehead in
your mind. But now, I'd like to examine another aspect of your troubled
psyche:
You insult people for something as trivial as posting a joke about putting
pictures of haircuts they're thinking about getting, yet you can "hound" people "for no other purpose than self-amusement" with a clear conscience? Isn't the latter act awfully close to trolling, Rafer? Do you suffer from
schizophrenia, or some other mental illness which divorces your mind from
reality as most people accept it?
> but i'm clearly being more distressing than i woulda gave myself
> credit for. so again, if i'm sucking out the joy of your usenet
> experience, skipping my posts would probably be in your best
> interest
the joy (out) of" my usenet experience. I find the occasional tiff quite
cathartic, as it lets me vent my spleen at ill-tempered, unpleasant, and
generally obnoxious troglodytes much more than I ever get the chance to do
in real life. Also, every once in a while I foolishly convince myself that
maybe, just this once, I can actually get one of them to see the error of
their ways and help make them better human beings (or at least reasonable
facsimiles.) Sadly, this is almost never the case.
VoltAire
: VoltAire wrote:
:> Haha! Woooooo!! Boy do I feel silly. Of course, we know having a girlfirened
:> would invariably stop one from jonesing on other women. Of course, silly me.
: I always thought 'jonesin' refered to shooting up? Owell...
:> please, for silly bastardizations of my name, I prefer Voltron. Mr Voltron,
:> to you young man :)
: How about Volto-rooter?
how about Volthairy? only when I forget to shave?
FeminaExMachina
something about that cutie jessica i met in toronto having a big cock??
(well that explains todd being the submissive! ;)
Jessica Webster wrote in message <8IVx4.8641$Xk2....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...
>
>Eschaton, I'd watch it if I were you. My dick's coming after you next. I
>hear you're in some need of some serious lovin' :)
>
>
VoltAire
Project Mercury (aka Badger)
: Here I am, a brain the size of a planet, and I'm reading RMI.
Well done.
eschaton
VoltAire wrote:
Back?
The Rattler
bad...@xcentric.net says...
> It's all about community and discussion. The newsgroup is mostly about
> music, but c'mon how is a little hairstyle discussion compared the 1700
> Penis posts I was subjected to?
And ironically this thread a little lower down turns into "My Dick (I
finally did it)" - there is no escaping the penii. Resistance is futile.
--
"Ramalamalama Kenickie Kenickie!
Ramalamalama Kenickie Kenickie!"
**** Rattl...@hotmail.com
Jessica Webster
--
FeminaExMachina <cybe...@enteract.com> wrote in message
news:8aa9oa$2vkn$1...@news.enteract.com...
> err... i seemed to have stumbled onto this disturbing thread...
> something about that cutie jessica i met in toronto having a big cock??
>
> (well that explains todd being the submissive! ;)
erm..well, sometime ago, a troll named Ackhouse decided to announce to the
world that I have a dick. Wasn't very nice of him to give away all my
little secrets like that ;)
Heh, as for me being cute...watch out, or my cock will hunt you down next.
---
DON' T PANIC
-HHGTG
Jessica
eschaton
Jessica Webster wrote:
> erm..well, sometime ago, a troll named Ackhouse decided to announce to the
> world that I have a dick. Wasn't very nice of him to give away all my
> little secrets like that ;)
How was he?
VoltAire
: VoltAire wrote:
:> eschaton <po...@csv.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
:>
:> : VoltAire wrote:
:>
:> :> Haha! Woooooo!! Boy do I feel silly. Of course, we know having a girlfirened
:> :> would invariably stop one from jonesing on other women. Of course, silly me.
:>
:> : I always thought 'jonesin' refered to shooting up? Owell...
:>
:> :> please, for silly bastardizations of my name, I prefer Voltron. Mr Voltron,
:> :> to you young man :)
:>
:> : How about Volto-rooter?
:>
:> how about Volthairy? only when I forget to shave?
: Back?
Testicles. If Im too drunk I wont try it to save my life.
eschaton
VoltAire wrote:
Don't joke around dude...that really itches...or so I have heard ;)
Jessica Webster
> Jessica Webster wrote:
>
> > erm..well, sometime ago, a troll named Ackhouse decided to announce to
the
> > world that I have a dick. Wasn't very nice of him to give away all my
> > little secrets like that ;)
>
> How was he?
Bloody Awful.
rafer
>
> > it wasn't an attempt at wit. i was merely pointing out that your
> > post was flustered with sanctimony coming from the likes of you
>
> The likes of me? <giggle> <hand to forehead>
>
> 1. My post to you was a flame, and very much intended as one. It lacked content
> because it was a flame.
>
> 2. Your idiotic post very much deserved the flame. It not only lacked a rough
> understanding of sentence structure and topic, to help it bring across its
> ideas, but even if it *had* posessed these qualities they would have been wasted
> because it was the most stupid piece of guano I've ever read.
;)
--
who are you?
rafer/AT/hotbot/DOT/com
rafer
<snip'd, snppd, and snip-ped>
goodness gracious!
as my patience is wearing thin and i'm not particularly inclined to
demean myself any further with petty bickering, i'll just summarize:
- although i do exhibit these attitudes to those who've earned my
respect, i'm not here to be "polite" or "courteous." fascism plays into
this b/c every post I make apparently needs your stamp of approval
- i'm taking in *anti*social points, kiddo.. which i'm very content
with. If you'd rather run around like a little social opportunist,
that's your prerogative
- if you're going to take the "authority" to speak for your friends,
I'll certainly refer to you as their figurehead
oh, and you'll have to clarify my "refusal to use capital letters,"
since i'm not certain whether you meant that literally -- if so, usenet
is an informal medium, one where i'd like to take advantage of such
casualness - as long as I get my point across. (you may also notice that
the 'shift' button isn't conveniently located) desperate to pick at any
scabs imaginable, EH?
if you're concerned about those insipid details, there's a whole
industry that concentrates on the bland work of corrections in grammar,
spelling, typos, etc. it keeps those of lower intelligence employed
but i find it curious that you've spent more time in this post verbally
castigating me rather than actually using a productive spin in your
considerable exertion (how 'bout gearing it towards the other post i'm
indulging in, definition(s) of industrial?) it's a sad statement when
only a small handful of members in this newsgroup can contribute to my
post on a subject that probably has the greatest relevance to it, while
a thread with "penis" in it receives a voluminous amount of replies ---
I'm sure you won't appreciate the kernel of where i'm coming from with
this striking commentary, but hey… that's your trip
come to think of it, i don't even remember another post of yours with so
much effort! is this just bitterness stemming from an earlier post of
mine where i may have stepped on your fragile ego, and now you've
exploded to relieve all that pressure building in your head? i would
hit deja if i actually cared to know...
Jamie Rosen
> Jamie Rosen wrote:
>
> <snip'd, snppd, and snip-ped>
>
> goodness gracious!
>
> as my patience is wearing thin and i'm not particularly inclined to
> demean myself any further with petty bickering, i'll just summarize:
>
> - although i do exhibit these attitudes to those who've earned my
> respect, i'm not here to be "polite" or "courteous." fascism plays into
> this b/c every post I make apparently needs your stamp of approval
There you go making irrational generalizations again. I expressed my
opinion that you were rude to Leonora, and suddenly I believe that every
post you make needs my stamp of approval? Then why aren't I running around
replying to your every post, castigating you further?
> - i'm taking in *anti*social points, kiddo.. which i'm very content
> with. If you'd rather run around like a little social opportunist,
> that's your prerogative
I'm still amazed that being polite can be cast in such a negative light --
anyone who isn't insulting is a social opportunist? I suppose only the
rude and obnoxious deserve respect.
> - if you're going to take the "authority" to speak for your friends,
> I'll certainly refer to you as their figurehead
If you can show me where I claimed any authority to speak for others, I'll
partially concede this point. Mind you, no copping out and claiming that
my saying that you were rude constitutes me trying to speak for you; it does
not.
> oh, and you'll have to clarify my "refusal to use capital letters,"
> since i'm not certain whether you meant that literally -- if so, usenet
> is an informal medium, one where i'd like to take advantage of such
> casualness - as long as I get my point across. (you may also notice that
> the 'shift' button isn't conveniently located) desperate to pick at any
> scabs imaginable, EH?
I believe you were, unsurprisingly, the one who began with the
name-calling and insults ("cheeky", I believe, was the inital volley you
fired in my direction); and incidentally, I have found generally that
not capitalizing properly usually indicates a certain level of immaturity
and/or intellectual laziness. You've done little to disprove this belief.
> if you're concerned about those insipid details, there's a whole
> industry that concentrates on the bland work of corrections in grammar,
> spelling, typos, etc. it keeps those of lower intelligence employed
Ooh, so now knowing how to follow the rules of a language is a sign of
lower intelligence? Believe me, having been both proofreader and writer,
the only person whose intelligence should be impugned is one who requires
a lot of editing. But then, given the proclivities you've demonstrated in
this thread, I'm not surprised you would have this ass-backwards.
> but i find it curious that you've spent more time in this post verbally
> castigating me rather than actually using a productive spin in your
> considerable exertion (how 'bout gearing it towards the other post i'm
> indulging in, definition(s) of industrial?) it's a sad statement when
> only a small handful of members in this newsgroup can contribute to my
> post on a subject that probably has the greatest relevance to it, while
> a thread with "penis" in it receives a voluminous amount of replies ---
> I'm sure you won't appreciate the kernel of where i'm coming from with
> this striking commentary, but hey… that's your trip
Well, let's see: when I'm confronted by a post like "Please e-mail me a
definition of industrial music", I generally dismiss it as a troll. If I
were to respond to it at all, I would likely point the poster to the
relevant portion of the (admittedly woefully out of date) FAQ, as someone
else did. Frankly, I find the "Definition of industrial" subject to be a
horse beaten well past the point of its demise, and I'm more interested in
talking about the music itself, be it Skinny Puppy, Merzbow, Imminent
Starvation, or VNV Nation, than taking part in another futile attempt to
pin down it's oh-so-prestigious origins.
It also doesn't help that I find most of the aesthetic posturing involved
to be rather feeble, especially in comparison with the equivalent
movements in other artistic fields, and don't particularly want to deal
with that at the moment.
> come to think of it, i don't even remember another post of yours with so
> much effort! is this just bitterness stemming from an earlier post of
> mine where i may have stepped on your fragile ego, and now you've
> exploded to relieve all that pressure building in your head? i would
> hit deja if i actually cared to know...
Well, I'm frankly curious because until this little tiff I don't remember
having any difficulties with you whatsoever; granted, that's partly
because I'm guilty of something about which I questioned you and never
received a response (namely, often not paying attention to who says what),
but I'm just pathetic enough to actually check Deja.
Nope, other than this, all that's ever happened is we both made comments
in an Aphex Twin thread, I suggested Squarepusher was too drum'n'bass to
complete the idm Holy Trinity (which was in no way a negative comment
about anything involved), and I answered a mocking question about Trent
Reznor. So I guess it must just be that I find your behaviour in this
thread obnoxious. Of course, that just means I'm a bad person, right Rafer?
And you're right, I rarely post anything this involved, because I find
most of this newsgroup to be rather uninvolving. The same discussions can
only be had so many times, and some of us grow sick of them after a while.
I guess that's why I'm so much more relaxed about the sillines than you
are -- I'm tired of hearing the same 'intellectual' banter about the
origin, definition, and importance of industrial music. I come here for
entertainment, new information, and *interesting* discussion.
synapse (the artist formerly known as flesh)
rafer wrote:
> Jamie Rosen wrote:
>
> <snip'd, snppd, and snip-ped>
>
> goodness gracious!
>
> as my patience is wearing thin and i'm not particularly inclined to
> demean myself any further with petty bickering, i'll just summarize:
ghee, what brought on the sudden change of heart?
>
> - although i do exhibit these attitudes to those who've earned my
> respect, i'm not here to be "polite" or "courteous." fascism plays into
> this b/c every post I make apparently needs your stamp of approval
When your posts aren't completely hollow when it comes to making sense or
making a point, they're idiotic flames over really ignorant shit. Sod off.
<retarded attempts to cut-down someone edited out>
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Jamie Rosen
I'm going to stop responding. Neither Rafer nor I deserve this sort of
aggravation, and we're doing each other a disservice by continuing on in
this manner.
Todd Clayton
>
> In any event, to bring this thread more in line with its subject header,
> I'm going to stop responding. Neither Rafer nor I deserve this sort of
> aggravation, and we're doing each other a disservice by continuing on in
> this manner.
You're a RAT BASTARD and deserve all of the above.
Christ, 9 days later a thread about my hair has disintegrated into this?
I must have magical powers!
rafer
>
> In any event, to bring this thread more in line with its subject header,
> I'm going to stop responding. Neither Rafer nor I deserve this sort of
> aggravation, and we're doing each other a disservice by continuing on in
> this manner.
awww, did you let big bad downfall scare you? ;) c'mon, don't tell me
you actually take him seriously
impertinent issues aside, you still need to own up to one thing that is
of particular importance to this newsgroup, mr. rosen - hence the new
subject line - before youre completely absolved of all crimes. this is
also directed to those who'd rather make dick jokes, rather than expand
their minds and take on something considerable
"I find most of the aesthetic posturing involved to be rather feeble"
let the carnage begin. how do you find the original industrial records'
"aesthetic posturing rather feeble," jamie? so you say "in comparison
w/ the equivalent movements in other artistic fields," but really what
*doesn't* have influences. i don't find industrial's ideology
derivative at all, or else i wouldn't spend so much time defending it
as ive mentioned, it started as an experiment to determine the
popculture's patterns, which i hardly consider "feeble" just b/c you
said so without any reasoning behind it. i've noticed that you partake
in a lot of threads of bands in the vein of apb and covenant, which i
find rather ironic. i think the reasony why you're dismissing the
original industrial records' ideology as "rather feeble" is b/c you fail
to grasp the actual concept. industrial is (supposed to be) a 180
degree shift in paradigm, rather than the 480 degree muddling that many
substandard elektro-ebm bands do (yknow, circling around senselessly).
they're completely irrelevant, leftover pap that's simply out to make a
quick buck, rather than actually learning something important (or new
for that matter)
again, the intent determines the validity of the pursuit, but chaos
ultimately controls the ends. so just b/c someone creates noise,
doesn't necessarily make them smarter. and just b/c someone has the
intent to make money off a trend, doesn't mean they're going to be
successful, as was teh case of _flavour of the weak_. part of the
problem in trying to predict where the next big thing will be is that no
matter how hard you try to completely oppose it, sometimes you'll get
stuck right in the middle of it (ie the cult following of rhythmic
noise) that's what makes it so hard to define sometimes, and why i put
so much emphasis on the artist's intent and why the shifting of
paradigms along with the aggregrate points is necessary to view the
situations from different vantage points as a means of closing in on the
*truth*
it's a rather complex matter that requires quite a bit of discussion to
really get to the scraping bottom of. doesn't seem like you want to
have that discussion with me yet though. yah, it's been discussed on
rmi before, but i don't think anybody has really pushed the envelope. i
tend to believe this is so because many rmi'ers rather dismiss this as
pretentiousness in order to keep their sense of reality intact. or
perhaps it's simply a refusal to read?
Jamie Rosen
> Jamie Rosen wrote:
>>
>> In any event, to bring this thread more in line with its subject header,
>> I'm going to stop responding. Neither Rafer nor I deserve this sort of
>> aggravation, and we're doing each other a disservice by continuing on in
>> this manner.
>
> awww, did you let big bad downfall scare you? ;) c'mon, don't tell me
> you actually take him seriously
No, actually, that post showed up on my news server after I posted the
above. Why would I take downfall more seriously than Voltaire?
> "I find most of the aesthetic posturing involved to be rather feeble"
>
> let the carnage begin. how do you find the original industrial records'
> "aesthetic posturing rather feeble," jamie? so you say "in comparison
> w/ the equivalent movements in other artistic fields," but really what
> *doesn't* have influences. i don't find industrial's ideology
> derivative at all, or else i wouldn't spend so much time defending it
I never said anything about the influences it did or didn't have; what I
meant (and I should have made this clear) was that I find, say, the
cinematic, literary, and artistic (in the visual arts sense) beliefs with
which you have equated industrial to be more interesting, better
developed, and more effective.
> as ive mentioned, it started as an experiment to determine the
> popculture's patterns, which i hardly consider "feeble" just b/c you
> said so without any reasoning behind it. i've noticed that you partake
> in a lot of threads of bands in the vein of apb and covenant, which i
> find rather ironic.
I don't think it's ironic. It would be ironic if I said I was a fervent
admirer of the original Industrial records manifesto, yet partook in those
threads. I don't believe these synthpop/ebm bands are doing anything
comparable to what industrial pioneers thought they were doing, and I
would never claim they did. I don't quarrel with their "aesthetic
posturing", however, because by and large they don't have any. They simply
make music I like to listen to.
> i think the reasony why you're dismissing the
> original industrial records' ideology as "rather feeble" is b/c you fail
> to grasp the actual concept.
I think you are right, but not for the reasons you presuppose later on. I
am quite keen on a lot of the experimental music that I've heard
(admittedly I haven't heard as much as I would like to), and in fact I
produce some myself. I am, however, much more involved with symbolism and
meaning, and with the manipulation and interpretation thereof, than I am
with much of the driving forces behind Industrial Records, and so I'm more
interested in odd rhythmic sequences, dissonance, or extremely binding
atypical formulae (sort of a musical Oulipo.)
> industrial is (supposed to be) a 180
> degree shift in paradigm, rather than the 480 degree muddling that many
> substandard elektro-ebm bands do (yknow, circling around senselessly).
> they're completely irrelevant, leftover pap that's simply out to make a
> quick buck, rather than actually learning something important (or new
> for that matter)
I would have to disagree here, only because industrial *was* supposed to
be that. If they had persisted in treading that 180 degree ground, they
would have become little more than the counter-cultural equivalent of what
they rebelled against. TG begat PTV; Einsturzende Neubauten went melodic;
other bands turned to synthpop, dance, metal, or simply disintegrated,
because their existence was by its nature self-destructive: after
presenting the musical antithesis of early industrial, most sought out a
sort of synthesis, incorporating elements from both sides.
> again, the intent determines the validity of the pursuit, but chaos
> ultimately controls the ends. so just b/c someone creates noise,
> doesn't necessarily make them smarter. and just b/c someone has the
> intent to make money off a trend, doesn't mean they're going to be
> successful, as was teh case of _flavour of the weak_. part of the
> problem in trying to predict where the next big thing will be is that no
> matter how hard you try to completely oppose it, sometimes you'll get
> stuck right in the middle of it (ie the cult following of rhythmic
> noise)
I think that thinking along those lines creates a couple of problems:
a) opposing the next big thing is not only, as you pointed out, very
difficult to do, but it is almost worthless because of the lack of
context. If you oppose the currently established and accepted frameworks,
you will create something both more worthwhile and more effective --
people will be able to recognize what you are opposing, and it will form a
sort of dialogue.
b) opposing for opposition's sake is often (not always) equally as
mindless as conforming for conformity's sake. You should rebel because you
think the current way of doing things is wrong, which you simply cannot do
if you're trying to rebel against something that has yet to exist. If,
following your vision of what art should be, or at least should be able to
be, you happen to find yourself in the middle of "the next big thing", you
should be happy. It means people are starting to think they way you do.
Also, while rhythmic noise has a fairly solid fan base, it's also pretty
damn small even compard to other post-industrial subgenres. It almost
sounds like you believe that it's a failure if people like it -- I
personally would rather people start to open up to these alternative
musical approaches than have them languish in pristine but essentially
useless obscurity.
> that's what makes it so hard to define sometimes, and why i put
> so much emphasis on the artist's intent and why the shifting of
> paradigms along with the aggregrate points is necessary to view the
> situations from different vantage points as a means of closing in on the
> *truth*
See, here it makes it sound like we're in agreement, which would actually
be pretty surprising. :)
> it's a rather complex matter that requires quite a bit of discussion to
> really get to the scraping bottom of. doesn't seem like you want to
> have that discussion with me yet though. yah, it's been discussed on
> rmi before, but i don't think anybody has really pushed the envelope. i
> tend to believe this is so because many rmi'ers rather dismiss this as
> pretentiousness in order to keep their sense of reality intact. or
> perhaps it's simply a refusal to read?
No, I'm quite willing to have this discussion with you. It may even help
me crystalize some of my more hazily-defined opinions on the matter. I'd
also like to clarify what I meant in the above quotation, specifically
with reference to an example I believe you (it may have been someone else)
brought up:
A lot of the 'aesthetic posturing', as I put it, behind the initial stages
of industrial music seem like nothing more than adolescent rebellion and
puerile shock-for-shock's-sake elevated to the status of doctrine. Setting
dead cats on fire, for instance, or the person who wrote that article in
Industrial Nation about running a night where he used subsonic frequencies
to make people lose control of their bowels... this is mostly no better
than your typical Alice Cooper/Marilyn Manson sideshow. There are many
more ways of subverting the traditional paradigm that are not only more
meaningful, but also more likely to elicit a productive response, rather
than simply generating a look of shock and/or disgust from whatever
parental-substitute is supposed to be offended (church, police, bank, what
have you.)
VoltAire
:>
:> awww, did you let big bad downfall scare you? ;) c'mon, don't tell me
:> you actually take him seriously
: No, actually, that post showed up on my news server after I posted the
: above. Why would I take downfall more seriously than Voltaire?
because downfall has the power of dark and insidious venom, and I have only
the power of love. granted love keeps humans safe from alien invasion,
makes old people irregular, and brings poor actors back from the grave after
they've been gunned down by Agents, but still venom has its might, its
majesty,(and it also looks better tatooed on the back on ones head).
why be better when you could be bitter?
VoltAire
<rant on tediousness and industrial philsophy , not just snipped, but
circumcised>
damn! you are a goof ball. can you spell all that out with magnetic fridge
letters? I'll bet you can. how old were you when you stopped calling it
a "wee wee"? inquiring minds want to know. if I asked you to bend over,
would you be shocked? saddened? startled? flattered?
WHAT?
VHAT?
FHAT?
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vsvn...@3-cities.com
dq...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Rosen) wrote:
> A lot of the 'aesthetic posturing', as I put it, behind the initial
stages
> of industrial music seem like nothing more than adolescent rebellion
and
> puerile shock-for-shock's-sake elevated to the status of doctrine.
It may seem like nothing more than that but I think that can be a
pretty superficial reading of it.
Take for example Hermann Nitsch for example (I'm taking someone who
isn't technically related to the early Industrial scene but is related
in a way) - a lot of what he does could be seen as nothing more than
puerile shock-for-shock's sake but that would be a very superficial
(and lazy... it's just easier to dismiss it and discredit it)
interpretation. Now don't get me wrong, I think many artists,
especially a lot of current artists in the experimental scene are shock
for shock's sake (not that there is neccessarily anything wrong with
that either... everyone likes a good shock now and then), but let's not
dismiss everything as simply as that.
Rob
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Before you buy.
Robb Cunningham
> part of the
> problem in trying to predict where the next big thing will be is that no
> matter how hard you try to completely oppose it, sometimes you'll get
> stuck right in the middle of it (ie the cult following of rhythmic
> noise)
This little sentence embodies three implications that I completely
disagree with.
1. I don't think that there is any conscious intention in the power
noise movement to avoid popularity. In fact, so far as I can tell,
there isn't any general philosophy at all; I just see it as being a
bunch of people who get off on distorted drum machines. This lack of
extra-musical philosophy is part of the reason the movement appeals to
me so.
2. Cult following != the next big thing. In fact that's part of the
definition of the word "cult."
3. Ant Zen is certainly not sad about the cult following they've
gained. If you had seen the smiles on Synapscape's faces when they
got enthusiastic crowd reactions in LA I don't think you'd be saying
this.
Robb Cunningham
>
> rafer (no....@hotbot.com) writes:
> > as ive mentioned, it started as an experiment to determine the
> > popculture's patterns, which i hardly consider "feeble" just b/c you
> > said so without any reasoning behind it. i've noticed that you partake
> > in a lot of threads of bands in the vein of apb and covenant, which i
> > find rather ironic.
>
> I don't think it's ironic. It would be ironic if I said I was a fervent
> admirer of the original Industrial records manifesto, yet partook in those
> threads.
Aarggh!!! Can we please dispel of this false belief immediately? It
IS possible to like both old and new industrial!!
Jamie Rosen
> Jamie Rosen wrote:
>>
>> rafer (no....@hotbot.com) writes:
>
>> > popculture's patterns, which i hardly consider "feeble" just b/c you
>> > said so without any reasoning behind it. i've noticed that you partake
>> > in a lot of threads of bands in the vein of apb and covenant, which i
>> > find rather ironic.
>>
>> I don't think it's ironic. It would be ironic if I said I was a fervent
>> admirer of the original Industrial records manifesto, yet partook in those
>> threads.
>
> IS possible to like both old and new industrial!!
Okay, calm down, and read what I wrote again. I don't admire the
*manifesto* -- I have nothing against a lot of the music itself. I keep
meaning to add to my pitifully small Neubauten collection, for instance.
Robb Cunningham
>
> Robb Cunningham (iceo...@smartlink.net) writes:
> > Jamie Rosen wrote:
> >>
> >> rafer (no....@hotbot.com) writes:
> >
> >> > popculture's patterns, which i hardly consider "feeble" just b/c you
> >> > said so without any reasoning behind it. i've noticed that you partake
> >> > in a lot of threads of bands in the vein of apb and covenant, which i
> >> > find rather ironic.
> >>
> >> I don't think it's ironic. It would be ironic if I said I was a fervent
> >> admirer of the original Industrial records manifesto, yet partook in those
> >> threads.
> >
> > IS possible to like both old and new industrial!!
>
> Okay, calm down, and read what I wrote again. I don't admire the
> *manifesto* -- I have nothing against a lot of the music itself. I keep
> meaning to add to my pitifully small Neubauten collection, for instance.
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Well I was speaking of old industrial in all of it's forms - and I
still stand by what I said. I think it's possible to admire the
ideals of the early industrialists and also be able to appreciate
more pop-oriented dance music, or most anything else for that
matter. All four members of TG were Abba fans, after all.