DADA influence
J.A. Stroud
Some of it is more obvious than others, such as Cabaret Voltaire. But
what about some others?
Are Nurse With Wound Dada influenced? E.N.?
Let's here some discussion.
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(J.A. Stroud) inquired:
# I'm looking for some info on how DADA has influenced Industrial 'music'.
# Some of it is more obvious than others, such as Cabaret Voltaire. But
# what about some others?
#
# Are Nurse With Wound Dada influenced? E.N.?
#
# Let's here some discussion.
I'd say that music based on found sound transplanted into original
creative contexts is, in itself, a very dadaist technique. This
encompasses a whole lot of industrial music, including NWW and EN and CV
and countless others. The re-use of pre-existing material in a new, often
commentative way is a big part of the dadaist methodology. You've seen
some of the dadaist multi-media visual works, collaging headlines and
press-images? Pretty similar sort of thing going on with industrial music,
I think.
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Kevin McGillicuddy
>McMaster.CA (J.A. Stroud) writes:
>I'm looking for some info on how DADA has influenced Industrial 'music'.
is this the same DADA that is "goin' to Disney Land" ???
[eek!]
MR_ROPER
Atlantis23
>Some of it is more obvious than others, such as Cabaret Voltaire. But
>what about some others?
Lacto-Ovo amphetamine burns like flowers.
dave wright
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Dada, and its cousin surrealism and distant relative futurism had a huge
influence on Industrial music. The very concept that Anything is art and
anyone can create art goes right back to Marcel Duchamp. The visual style of
collage and cut ups that Cabaret Voltaire used for so long look EXACTLY like
old school Dada stuff. Futurism is where the idea of music created with
machines started, though at that point it was horns and sirens. Luigi
Russolo's theories=>Edgard Varese music. Some say that Varese's Ionisation is
the first piece of recorded industrial music. Factually, its the first serious
composition that used non musical sources, such as the old air
sirens.(previously, the 1812 overture used a canon, but that was pure novelty)
The industrial musicians of the 70s are in a long line of experimental artists
that were pushing the boundaries of art and music. For some real
proto-industrial dada rock and roll noise, check out the 1974 record, the Faust
Tapes, or 71 Minutes of Faust, or anything by Faust for that matter.
-dan, who hate the band DADA with a passion.
janet
: I'm looking for some info on how DADA has influenced Industrial 'music'.
: what about some others?
i can't even tell you how fuckin' bizarre this is...
i just came out of my professor's office an hour ago after talking to
him about my paper topic: punk and dadaism...more specifically, how
the origins of british punk are similar to the origins of german
dadaism...
there's a girl in my class comparing industrial music to futurism, not
dadaism...i'm not exactly sure where the connexion is there...
but anyways, i don't know exactly how industrial music and dadaism are
connected so i can't help...sorry...but if anyone out there has any idea
how punk and dadaism are, please write me, as my paper is due in 11
days...if you have any sources, info, help to offer i will build a
shrine in your honor and sacrifice earthworms daily (as they tend to
pop out of the ground in swarms after a large rainfall)....
thanx in advance...
janet
Mark Kolmar
electro-acoustic music in which we had to describe the influence of
Dadaism, Futurism and Fascism on the development of electro-acoustic
music. Should have the WP file somewhere.
--MK
SUGAR in their vitamins?
>him about my paper topic: punk and dadaism...more specifically, how
>the origins of british punk are similar to the origins of german
>dadaism...
why exactly did you choose to compare German
Dadism instead of the Swiss group (where it
all originated from)? if you are looking for
information on Dadaism, there is a great
book published in sofcover called DADA ALMANAC
put out by @tlas Press in the UK. the book
starts out with a rather lengthy forward
examining the history of events in the short
lived Dada movement in Europe. the rest of
the book is re-publishings of the original
Dada Almanach issues that Tzara had put out
as well as pleanty of other writings, etc.
it's fairly complete and quite good as a source.
in the back of the book, the publishers claim
they are in the process of compiling a second
volume to this book.
>there's a girl in my class comparing industrial music to futurism, not
>dadaism...i'm not exactly sure where the connexion is there...
Russolo's noise machines are probably the connection
she is drawing. it's a good hypothesis, but frankly
i would claim that there is no connection from either
Dadaism or Futurism to industrial. i would agree
that these movements pre-dated Industrial as a movement,
but there is no clear evidence to me that the members
of Throbbing Gristle were directly influenced by
any of it.
another avenue to look at is Musique Concrete and
Musique Brut. both are certainly other movements
which clearly pre-dated industrial.
>but anyways, i don't know exactly how industrial music and dadaism are
>connected so i can't help...sorry...
there is a clear connection to Dadaism and
Surrealism with the likes of bands such as
Nurse With Wound and HNAS. however, i'm not
sure Steven Stapelton considers himself
"industrial" at all. perhaps, avant garde....
hasta.
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Matthew Carey
You mean like directly influenced?
After all, art + (coffee x too much) = dada. That's all.
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ac...@lafn.org writes:
> In a previous article, u920...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (J.A. Stroud) says:
>
> >I'm looking for some info on how DADA has influenced Industrial
'music'.
> >Some of it is more obvious than others, such as Cabaret Voltaire. But
> >what about some others?
> >
Not so sure on directly traceable influences on industrial from DADA, but
it would
seem that you'd find a lot more similarities between industrial and the
Futurists, who were more into machines and whatnot. If you wanted to
trace
DADA to punk to industrial, try a book entitled LIPSTICK TRACES. And, of
course
to trace Dada to Futurism is easy. Also, a cool CD on this subject comes
from
Sub Rosa: Futurism and Dada Reviewed. Difficult to find, but worth it.
(side: a fellow student borrowed CD then lent it to another fellow st.
who
used it to teach a lecture on F & D performance, which attracted the
attn. of
the senior prof. in the dept., who is trying to get the arts lib. to buy
the thing. Makes me happy. :} )
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