[HELIX] UK Events Digest (6/7/99)
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New/updated events listed with an '*'
* Wednesday 7th July
Snig Hill, Sheffield
Sanctuary
+ Flood
Adm: Unknown.
At The Boardwalk.
Saturday 10th July
Birmingham
Attrition
Adm: Unknown.
At The Mercat, Bradford Street, Digbeth
mailto:Attr...@jwaller.demon.co.uk for info
Saturday 10th July
Brighton
Chaos Engine
+ Guests
Adm: 3.50.
At The Albert, Trafalgar Street
Saturday 10th July
London
Waterglass
Adm: Unknown.
At The Half Moon, Putney
Saturday 10th July
Milton Keynes
Metallica
+ Ministry
+ Placebo
+ Pitch Shifter
+ Ben Harper + Creed + Marilyn Manson + Mercyful fate
+ Queens of the Stone Age + Sepultura + Symposium + Terrorvision
Adm: Unknown.
At The Bowl.
Thursday 15th July
Cardiff
Necroscope
Voyage
Adm: 4 adv, 5 door.
At D&D's, Womanby Street
Goth/Industrial Night
mailto:j...@f-angel.demon.co.uk for info
* Thursday 15th July
Derby
Godflesh
Adm: Unknown.
At Victoria Inn.
Thursday 15th July
Huddersfield
Sisters of Murphy
Adm: Unknown.
At The Coutrhouse.
* Thursday 15th July
York
Jesus Underground Band
Adm: Unknown.
At Fibbers.
* Friday 16th July
Cheltenham
Godflesh
Adm: Unknown.
At Axiom Arts Centre .
Friday 16th July
London
Marc Almond
Adm: Unknown.
At The Royal Festival Hall.
Friday 16th July
Oxford
GdStk
+ Support
Adm: Unknown.
At The Pit, Hollybush Inn, Witney
* Saturday 17th July
Hounslow, Middlesex
Jesus Underground Band
Adm: Unknown.
At The Shrine.
Wednesday 21st July
Oxford
GdStk
Adm: Unknown.
At The Bullingdon Arms.
Thursday 22nd July
Cardiff
Necroscope
Sneaky Bat Machine
+ Support
Adm: 4 adv, 5 door.
At D&D's, Womanby Street
Goth/Industrial Night
mailto:j...@f-angel.demon.co.uk for info
Thursday 22nd July
Dublin
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
Adm: Unknown.
At The Tower.
* Friday 23rd July
Nottingham
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
Adm: Unknown.
At The Fair & Firkin.
Saturday 24th July
London
(Nemesis Promotions...)
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
+ Star 80
+ DJ Synne
Adm: 6 adv.
At The Underworld, Camden
Tickets from http://www.pennangalan.co.uk/tickets
(50p booking fee)
mailto:un...@globalnet.co.uk for info
Wednesday 28th July
Brighton
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
+ Chaos Engine
Adm: Unknown.
At The Freebutt.
Tel 01293 656388
Thursday 29th July
Cheltenham
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
+ Chaos Engine
Adm: Unknown.
At The Axiom Centre.
Friday 30th July
Bradford
Infest Festival
Adm: 16 covers all three days.
At Student Union, Bradford University
See daily entries for details.
Mailing list at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/infest-news
mailto:ch...@psybernet.freeserve.co.uk for info
* Saturday 31st July
Bradford
Infest Festival Day 1
Adm: 16 covers all three days.
At Student Union, Bradford University
See daily entries for details.
Mailing list at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/infest-news
mailto:ch...@psybernet.freeserve.co.uk for info
* Saturday 31st July
Bradford
Infest Festival Day 2
Apoptygma Berzerk
+ Faithful Dawn
+ Killing Miranda
+ Sneaky Bat Machine
+ manikin
Adm: 16 covers all three days.
At Student Union, Bradford University
See daily entries for details.
Mailing list at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/infest-news
mailto:inf...@psybernet.freeserve.co.uk for info
Saturday 31st July
Glasgow
Bedlam Summertime Special 2
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
+ DJs
Adm: 6 advance only.
At Queen Margaret Union, University Avenue
Tickets from DJs at Bedlam (Nice 'N' Sleazy 25th June)
Osiris, Missing Records
mailto:bed...@ntpdg.demon.co.uk for info
Saturday 31st July
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
* Sunday 1st August
Bradford
Infest Festival Day 2
Spahn Ranch
+ Inertia
+ Narcissus Pool
+ More DJs
Adm: 16 covers all three days.
At Student Union, Bradford University
See daily entries for details.
Mailing list at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/infest-news
mailto:inf...@psybernet.freeserve.co.uk for info
Wednesday 4th August
Nottingham
The Creatures
Adm: 10.
At Rock City.
Thursday 5th August
Cardiff
Necroscope
The Sisters of Murphy
Adm: 4 adv, 5 door.
At D&D's, Womanby Street
Goth/Industrial Night
mailto:j...@f-angel.demon.co.uk for info
* Friday 6th August
Leeds
Spear of Destiny
+ Liquid Head
Adm: Unknown.
At The Duchess of York.
* Saturday 7th August
High Wycombe
Jesus Underground Band
Adm: Unknown.
At The White Horse.
* Saturday 7th August
London
The Creatures
Adm: 12.25.
At The Scala, 275 Pentonville Road
* Thursday 12th August
London
Rective
Noise Girl
Adm: Unknown.
At Upstairs at the Garage, Highbury Corner
mailto:REC...@goplay.com for info
Saturday 14th August
London
Black Sabbath
+ Type O Negative
+ Others
Adm: Unknown.
At Earls Court.
Saturday 14th August
Sheffield
Dissolution
The Horatii
+ Guests
Adm: 5.
At The Works, NMB, Opposite the Station
Goth/Industrial Night
mailto:ian.c...@virgin.net for info
Sunday 15th August
London
Black Sabbath
+ Type O Negative
+ Others
Adm: Unknown.
At Earls Court.
* Friday 20th August
Donegal Lane
Intermission
Attrition
Adm: 5 (pay at door).
At Giros, Belfast
bring your own alcohol
mailto:i...@xenotime.freeserve.co.uk for info
Saturday 21st August
London
(Nemesis Promotions...)
Andi Sex Gang
+ Chaos Engine
+ +Support
Adm: Advance Tickets available soon.
At The Underworld, Camden Town
* Saturday 21st August
Sheffield
Jesus Underground Band
Adm: Unknown.
At The Boardwalk.
Thursday 26th August
Cardiff
Necroscope
Faithful Dawn
+ These Crimson Dreams
Adm: 4 adv, 5 door.
At D&D's, Womanby Street
Goth/Industrial Night
mailto:j...@f-angel.demon.co.uk for info
Saturday 28th August
Glasgow
Sisters of Murphy
Adm: Unknown.
At Queen Margarets Union.
Saturday 28th August
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
Sunday 29th August
Bristol
Dystopia (2) Festival
Leechwoman
+ Chaos Engine
+ (others)
Adm: Unknown.
mailto:elr...@compuserve.com for info
Tuesday 31st August
Cheltenham
Chaos Engine
+ Others
Adm: Unknown.
At The Axiom Centre.
All bands will be playing 20 minute sets of
covers.
* Friday 3rd September
Staffordshire
Invocation
Adm: 25 for both days, 18 for one day.
At Tutbury Castle.
See separate entires for daily events
Tickets from:
Way Ahead (0115 912 9000)
http://www.tickets-online.co.uk
or by POST from:
Gothic Force Inc
PO BOX 5801
Nottingham NG1 5GH
(Cheques to 'GFI Promotions')
* Friday 3rd September
Staffordshire
Invocation Day 1
Covenant
+ VNV Nation
+ Star Industry
+ Diary of Dreams
+ Midnight Configuration
Adm: See Main Entry.
At Tutbury Castle.
* Saturday 4th September
Staffordshire
Invocation Day 2
The Creatures
+ Ultraviolence
+ Inertia
+ Two Witches + Funhouse
+ Killing Miranda + Leisure Hive
Adm: See Main Entry.
At Tutbury Castle.
* Friday 10th September
Harrogate
Jesus Underground Band
Adm: Unknown.
At The Honest Lawyer.
* Friday 24th September
Donegal Lane
Intermission
Killing Miranda
Adm: 5 (pay at door).
At Giros, Belfast
bring your own alcohol
mailto:i...@xenotime.freeserve.co.uk for info
Saturday 25th September
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
* Saturday 30th October
Donegal Lane
Intermission Hallowe'en Special
Faithful Dawn
Adm: 5 (pay at door).
At Giros, Belfast
bring your own alcohol, guest DJs & free give-aways
mailto:i...@xenotime.freeserve.co.uk for info
* Saturday 30th October
Whitby
Whitby Dracula Society Weekend
Adm: 40.00 all inclusive.
Contact Nadia on 0181 670 2326
mailto:alu...@axcess.co.uk for info
Saturday 30th October
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
Sunday 31st October
Derby
Carnival of Souls
Catastrophe Ballet
+ Intra-Venus
+ Killing Miranda
+ Brother Orchid
+ Ninota
Adm: 10 adv, 12 doors.
At The Pink Coconut, Colyear Street
Thursday 4th November
Whitby
BRV/Darkbeat Party
Adm: (This part is FREE).
At The Buck Inn.
mailto:j...@whitby02.demon.co.uk for info
Friday 5th November
Whitby
Whitby Gothic Weekend 9
Adm: 19.
At Spa Pavilion, West Cliff
One ticket covers the entire weekend.
See separate details for day-by-day events
mailto:j...@whitby02.demon.co.uk for info
Friday 5th November
Whitby
Whitby Gothic Weekend 9
Dream Disciples
+ Dreadful Shadows
+ Passion Play
+ DJ Scary Lady Sarah
+ DJ Zoe Hart
Adm: 19 covers entire weekend.
At The Spa Pavilion, West Cliff
mailto:j...@whitby02.demon.co.uk for info
Saturday 6th November
Whitby
Whitby Gothic Weekend 9
Gitane Demone
+ Breath of Life
+ Narcissus Pool
+ DJs Sexbat and Fluffy Chris
Adm: 19 covers entire weekend.
At The Spa Pavilion, West Cliff
mailto:j...@whitby02.demon.co.uk for info
Sunday 7th November
Whitby
Whitby Gothic Weekend 9 - 80s Night
Adm: 3.
At Laughtons Nightclub, Baxtergate
mailto:j...@whitby02.demon.co.uk for info
Sunday 7th November
Whitby
Sexy Sunday in Whitby
Adm: 2.
At The Metropole Hotel, Westcliff
Goth Night with DJs and Games
mailto:hazel.se...@virgin.net for info
Wednesday 17th November
Paris
Front 242
Adm: FF100.
At La Locomotive, 90 blvd de Clichy
Info Line: (+33) 0836 69 69 28
mailto:lal...@easynet.fr for info
Saturday 27th November
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
Wednesday 8th December
Brighton
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At The Centre.
Thursday 9th December
Cardiff
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At International Arena.
Friday 10th December
Birmingham
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At NEC.
Saturday 11th December
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
Sunday 12th December
Glasgow
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At SECC.
Tuesday 14th December
Bournemouth
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At International Centre.
Thursday 16th December
London
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At Wembley Arena.
Saturday 18th December
London
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At London Arena.
Sunday 19th December
Manchester
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At MEN Arena.
Tuesday 21st December
Newcastle
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At Newcastle Arena.
Wednesday 22nd December
Sheffield
Culture Club
+ Heaven 17
Adm: Unknown.
At Sheffield Arena.
Saturday 8th January
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
Saturday 29th January
York
Afterlife
Adm: 3.50/3.
At De Grey Rooms, Opposite the Art Gallery
Goth/Fetish Industrial
Over 18s Only.
mailto:afte...@maekong.ohm.york.ac.uk for info
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Dave (Exile)
Exile Goth/Industrial club
Walcot Palais
rear of The Porter Butt
London Road
Bath
First Friday every month
8pm-1am
£2 entry
pub bar prices
web site www.drischmi.dircon.co.uk/exile
Steve M
<di...@pennangalan.co.uk> writes
>* Saturday 7th August
> London
> The Creatures
> Adm: 12.25.
> At The Scala, 275 Pentonville Road
Should that read Wednesday 7th July!
--
Steve M
Mark Rae
>Should that read Wednesday 7th July!
Yes, as in tonight at 8pm.
[Well I certainly hope so anyway]
-Mark
Doktor Joy
>In article <378271CD...@pennangalan.co.uk>, Diva Luxotica
><di...@pennangalan.co.uk> writes
>>* Saturday 7th August
>> London
>> The Creatures
>> Adm: 12.25.
>> At The Scala, 275 Pentonville Road
>
>Should that read Wednesday 7th July!
God Knows.
We've received so many e-mails about this date, most disagreeing with each
other, I have no idea when it is. The most recent of those e-mails, from the
esteemed Slaghuis itself, asserted that it was the 7th August...
What is an overworked bunch of goffs to do...? ;o)
Dok
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Alexander
Joy) wrote:
>We've received so many e-mails about this date, most disagreeing with each
>other, I have no idea when it is. The most recent of those e-mails, from the
>esteemed Slaghuis itself, asserted that it was the 7th August...
Spoke to sam last night; he got the date wrong. The gig was last
night, there is no London gig in august.
The next UK gigs are:
04.08.99 UK NOTTINGHAM ROCK CITY
07.08.99 UK BROCKWELL PARK SUMMER RIGHTS FESTIVAL
I should probably mention that last night was a bit of a stormer too.
It was dead hot and sweaty but a damn fine performance, they even
pulled 'Peekaboo' out of the closet as well as a cover of Iggy's
'Nightclubbin'. Best song was still 'Second Floor' though :)
--
~Alexander : "Which do you like best; Alexander or Chips?" {Kieran}
"Alexander.... or chips...?" {Liz}
DJing at 'Malice Underground', 'Paranoia' and probably 'Demonia 99'
URL: http://www.alexander.darkwave.org.uk/ ICQ: 6165829
Alexander
wrote:
>I should probably mention that last night was a bit of a stormer too.
>It was dead hot and sweaty but a damn fine performance, they even
>pulled 'Peekaboo' out of the closet as well as a cover of Iggy's
>'Nightclubbin'. Best song was still 'Second Floor' though :)
Oh yeah, I must add that Gary Numan was in the audience, I didn't
realise until he bumped into me, or I bumped into him >:O
--
~Alexander : "Which do you like best; Alexander or Chips?" {Kieran}
"Alexander.... or chips...?" {Liz}
DJing at 'Malice Underground', 'Paranoia', 'Demonia 99'
and now *G L A M S L A M '9 9*
Blackbird
>
> On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:47:54 GMT, alex...@twisted.org.uk (Alexander)
> wrote:
>
> >I should probably mention that last night was a bit of a stormer too.
> >It was dead hot and sweaty but a damn fine performance, they even
> >pulled 'Peekaboo' out of the closet as well as a cover of Iggy's
> >'Nightclubbin'. Best song was still 'Second Floor' though :)
>
> Oh yeah, I must add that Gary Numan was in the audience, I didn't
> realise until he bumped into me, or I bumped into him >:O
Didn't pee on his shoes did you?
--
Guy
Dammerung website.. with added purple and some MP3's at:
Alexander
wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I must add that Gary Numan was in the audience, I didn't
>> realise until he bumped into me, or I bumped into him >:O
>
>Didn't pee on his shoes did you?
Errr... no.
And I didn't see his babeliscious wifey with him either :/
Greylock
dance the two-step and proclaim:
AT THE CREATURES:
>Oh yeah, I must add that Gary Numan was in the audience, I didn't
>realise until he bumped into me, or I bumped into him >:O
How very Wayne's World.
Well, the image in my head right now.
So, did you ask him if he's putting out a NEW album?
(How can a man go from being so awful (early Tubeway Army) to so good
(Replicas onward) to so awful (mid-80s/mid 90s) and then so wonderful again
(Dawn/Exile)?
-----
H*ydn
Apathy is Policy
Conformity is Safety
Isolation is Everything
Superficiality is Inevitable
Alexander
>>Oh yeah, I must add that Gary Numan was in the audience, I didn't
>>realise until he bumped into me, or I bumped into him >:O
>
>How very Wayne's World.
"We're not worthy"?
>So, did you ask him if he's putting out a NEW album?
Did I bollox. :O
If I'm going to a gig, when I'm not watching the bands, I'm at the bar,
and there's little time for anything else...
Personally speaking, anything he does now, will never be as good as what
he did then, so why waste the time? I wonder how much Fear Factory paid
him to sing a few verses of 'Cars'.
--
~Alexander : "Which do you like best; Alexander or Chips?" {Kieran}
"Alexander.... or chips...?" {Liz}
DJing at 'Malice Underground', 'Paranoia' and probably 'Demonia 99'
Mr. Tangent
alex...@twisted.org.uk (Alexander) scribble:
<in reference to Gary Numan>
>Personally speaking, anything he does now, will never be as good as what
>he did then, so why waste the time? I wonder how much Fear Factory paid
>him to sing a few verses of 'Cars'.
So, if someone has a hit album, and a few years pass they should never
try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
they once were? It's better to try and fail than to never try again.
Besides, there's plenty of bands that went on to record again and
sound better than their original "glory days". I'm not a huge Gary
Numan fan, but I think his most recent stuff is pretty damned good.
I'd hate to see more people share your philosophy, otherwise all bands
would cease to record once they had a hit.
--
Mr. Tangent [the binary police]
"Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable
questions into unquestionable answers." -Art Gecko,
Wombat Discord-1, 128649
{m r . m i m e}
> try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
> they once were? It's better to try and fail than to never try again.
although i'm not totally agreeing with alexanders point.. i'm disagreeing
with that one... in the world of music you can live forever having released
a load of really brilliant stuff.. or you can die athousand deaths by
releasing a load of shite and getting slatted for it...
> Besides, there's plenty of bands that went on to record again and
> sound better than their original "glory days". I'm not a huge Gary
> Numan fan, but I think his most recent stuff is pretty damned good.
> I'd hate to see more people share your philosophy, otherwise all bands
> would cease to record once they had a hit.
i listen to my dad and his friends talking... and if someone was once great
and hasn't released anything for ages they'll talk for ages about him, or
them, or her... if someone's recently come out with something shite they
tend to get a side mention, and then they move on to something else (i'm
using this example cause i haven't really been into any people or bands long
enough to have experianced someone not releasing something for 10 years then
coming out with something shite).
mr.mime
Greylock
dance the two-step and proclaim:
>he did then, so why waste the time?
I disagree.
Can't speak about the Fearful Factory collaboration,
but the latest Numan album (and the one before it) far outstrip anything since
Replicas IMNSHO.
Infrazone
>So, if someone has a hit album, and a few years pass they should never
>try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
>they once were?
>It's better to try and fail than to never try again.
Exactly! I strongly commend the artist that continues his/her efforts to record
again after a hit album. Especially when they evolve their personal style,
change and grow.The worst is when an artists re-releases the same hit album
over and over again due to public and record company pressure. I can't imagine
how much courage it would take for a musician who has had tremendous success
with one style of music to try and change that sound and style. I only wish
more industrial bands would do this instead of re-releasing the same sounding
album(s). Gary Numan is a perfect example of an artist that has changed with
the times. Even though he has been around a long time, his music still is
current and appeals to the underground. I am relatively young and not as
familiar with Numan's earlier work but recently discovered his music through
the album "Exile" and absolutely loved it.
Pete Scathe
>> So, if someone has a hit album, and a few years pass they should never
>> try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
>> they once were? It's better to try and fail than to never try again.
>
>with that one... in the world of music you can live forever having released
>a load of really brilliant stuff.. or you can die athousand deaths by
>releasing a load of shite and getting slatted for it...
>
musicians themselves generally (but not always...) think it's worth
releasing.
Of course, some of these musician types are too underqualified to do
anything else, so they keep on musicianing even when sometimes we wish
they wouldn't :)
Let's face it, it's either that or be a taxi driver[1] :)
I do know exactly what you mean, though, there are certain groups I wish
had split up long ago rather than embarrass themselves further- but
every now and again a group will suddenly go back on form and make the
"shite years" worth enduring.
For instance, I wished Killing Joke had split up before they released
"Outside the Gate".
Then they released "Extremities".
Even now I get shudders listening to "Money Is Not Our God" and
realising that Killing Joke were *back*... if they'd split up when I
thought they should have, we'd never have had that or "Pandemonium"-
which is a pretty amazing album, especially for a band who'd been going
15 years or so at the time.
> (i'm
>using this example cause i haven't really been into any people or bands long
>enough to have experianced someone not releasing something for 10 years then
>coming out with something shite).
>
There's always the next Sisters album :)
--
Pete Scathe (Next Resurgence: 8th August)
[1] The default occupation for ageing punk bands... I once interviewed Marion,
and they said they'd caught a cab in Bristol driven by Kirk Brandon... of
course, it might have been his twin haircut :)
Ian Sturrock
<tan...@mntvernon.net> writes
>On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:58:58 GMT, with general lethargy, I witnessed
>alex...@twisted.org.uk (Alexander) scribble:
>
><in reference to Gary Numan>
>
>>him to sing a few verses of 'Cars'.
>
>try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
>they once were?
I think the issue here is not the making music, but the releasing of
said music to an unsuspecting public.
Musicians, like any artists, need to be perfectionists. There's no
shame in admitting that some of one's work is a bag of shite, so long as
that work isn't put on an album. Better to be a little bit self-
critical & wait till one has a superb album to release, even if it
*does* take ten years.
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> There's always the next Sisters album :)
You're planning on living to a ripe old age then, I take it?
:-)
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Alexander
>> So, if someone has a hit album, and a few years pass they should never
>> try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
>> they once were? It's better to try and fail than to never try again.
>
>although i'm not totally agreeing with alexanders point.. i'm disagreeing
>with that one... in the world of music you can live forever having released
>a load of really brilliant stuff.. or you can die athousand deaths by
>releasing a load of shite and getting slatted for it...
Aye, I can't think of many bands that made a comeback after taking their
final nosedive. Metallica are lost in a world of soft rock after a huge
metal career... I wonder who people are really going to see at the Big Day
Out this weekend... Marilyn Manson or headliners Metallica? Alien Sex
Fiend or living out on planet bleepy, so far underground they may as well
be dead... Led Zepplin finished years ago, but I suppose Plant & Page
still get to look forward to being on the front cover of Kerrang! every
now and then.... if you can call that fame.... Queen are still plodding
along without Mr Mercury... can anybody name their last album? The list
goes on and on.
As for bands that gave up whilst the going was good.... look at Bauhaus
and their recent world tours.
Of course, there are exceptions... kinda... you could say Blondie is doing
quite well, although they're never going to hit the peaks they used to...
same with The Creatures... great band, but not as classic as the Banshees.
>> Besides, there's plenty of bands that went on to record again and
>> sound better than their original "glory days".
Name one... "New Order?" ;P
Wombat
>Queen are still plodding
>along without Mr Mercury... can anybody name their last album?
They haven't recorded any since he died...
>Of course, there are exceptions... kinda... you could say Blondie is doing
>quite well,
Errrk! Should've seen 'em at Glastonbury - it was embarrassing - a bit
like seeing someones mum get drunk, sing karaoke and try to dance.
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Dayv!
alex...@twisted.org.uk (Alexander) announced that:
> >> Besides, there's plenty of bands that went on to record again and
> >> sound better than their original "glory days".
>
> Name one... "New Order?" ;P
Wire split up (although they called it a sabbatical instead of a
breakup) for several years and reunited to continue putting out great
music...
-Dayv!
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The other half is mostly treachery and groin kicks."
Alexander
>>Personally speaking, anything he does now, will never be as good as what
>>he did then, so why waste the time?
>
>I disagree.
>Can't speak about the Fearful Factory collaboration,
>but the latest Numan album (and the one before it) far outstrip anything since
>Replicas IMNSHO.
It's the "since" word that I'm on about ;)
However, I may go and but the latest album if it really is up to scratch.
Zari
> In article <37a4932d...@news.digitalfoundry.com>, Mr. Tangent
> <tan...@mntvernon.net> writes
> >
> >So, if someone has a hit album, and a few years pass they should never
> >try to make music again because they won't be able to be as good as
> >they once were?
>
> I think the issue here is not the making music, but the releasing of
> said music to an unsuspecting public.
>
> Musicians, like any artists, need to be perfectionists. There's no
> shame in admitting that some of one's work is a bag of shite, so long as
> that work isn't put on an album. Better to be a little bit self-
> critical & wait till one has a superb album to release, even if it
> *does* take ten years.
I would agree with this. I would rather wait years and years and get a
quality album rather than get the same recycled stuff on a yearly basis.
A good example of this is KMFDM. Don't get me wrong, I love KMFDM, but I
would have rather heard them branch out a bit with their music rather than
hearing the same thematic guitar riff on every single album.
Then again, recycled is better than utter garbage.
In the end, I guess it comes down to money. If your album is selling
really well, then you aren't in such a hurry to release more music. You
can sit back and take your time and put out a quality product. However,
if you are literally living from album to album, tour to tour, I guess
necessity is the mother of invention, or at least music making in those
cases.
Zari
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dance the two-step and proclaim:
>It's the "since" word that I'm on about ;)
>
>However, I may go and but the latest album if it really is up to scratch.
I think it is.
But then I could go on and on about it for hours.
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Alexander
wrote:
>Don't you or Ben play anything off it at Malice?
Well, I don't, obviously, cos I don't have it.
And I don't think Ben plays much Numan either... although I may be
wrong, but i can't remember seeing any on the setlists recently.
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Alexander
wrote:
>>Don't you or Ben play anything off it at Malice?
>
>Well, I don't, obviously, cos I don't have it.
Well, saying that, I did go down to Beggar's Banquet today and picked
up 'Best Of The Bolshoi' as well as Gary Numan - Tubeway Army (Premier
Hits)... £5.99 each on CD.. bargain!
Now... d'ya think Ben will let me get away with playing Cars at
Malice?
I think not... ;)
Dave (Exile)
>
> Well, I don't, obviously, cos I don't have it.
>
> wrong, but i can't remember seeing any on the setlists recently.
I usually play something off either Exile or Sacrifice at Exile (funny
that). Both are damn good albums, Exile in particular. Buy buy buy!
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> breakup) for several years and reunited to continue putting out great
> music...
Liar.
- Aryn!
Pete Scathe
>Pete Scathe wrote:
>
>> There's always the next Sisters album :)
>
>You're planning on living to a ripe old age then, I take it?
>
album posthumously.
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