My first (and to an extent last) introduction to the song was about 15-16 years back when I got to see the movie on Doordarshan.... Since then I have never been able to get the song out of me.. Dont know why but I have lived and listend the song (only) in my memories... Memories to Cherish forever.. the song proves it.. infact the song was one of the catalyst to start the Chitrahaar quiz...
First the film...
Chhoti Chhoti Baatien was a dream of Motilal.. He not only played the lead but tried his hand at direction too (for the first and last time)... Motilal though was one of the most natural actors of Indian Films, it seems he was highly inspired with Charlie Chaplin and his films.. He never tried to immitate chaplin and did the chaplin acts in his own Natural style...His Mastana (mid 50's) was the remake of Chaplin's The Kid... and Chhoti Chhoti Baatein.. IMO it was loosley based on Chaplin's Limelight... This I felt when I watched the movie... From what I can recollect... CCB was a story of an old man good at heart, when he gets retired from his job, doesnt treated well by his family, he moves to a village, where he meets Nadira, a young vidrohi sort of lady (who better than Nadira.. did she played a widow? cant recollect).. The two shares a strong bond and their relationship becomes aankh ka kaanta of Gaon wala's... The story was well supported by small episodes of comic, funny, emotional, touching shades... almost all shades in Chhoti Chhoti Baatein..
Motilal's death during prior to the release of CCB, was a not only a loss of a great actor, he was... but a great director what he could be... CCB is a showcase of that...
Music wise, CCB holds a special place in HFM as it was the last film of Anil Biswas..The film had not one but two Swan songs... Zindagi Khwab hai for Motilal and Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai for Anil Biswas (and Meena Kapoor)..great lyrics by Shailender... Zindagi ka ajab fasana hai is another popular mukesh-lata duet from the film.. but the song I am in love with is Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai... the song got my immediate attention when I was watching the film.. The song was picturised on Nadira in a boat and even today the frame is freezed in my memories, .. I searched for the song for many years wih many recording wala's to no avail (even posted on RMIM about 5 years back).. as Nida Fazli said... 'Mil jaaye to mitti hai, kho jaaye to sona hai...' Truely a gold song for me...
Last year, I got to know that a Nadira interview is sheduled on Vividh Bharti..I was sure if she plays some songs, she would definately play this one.. and she played the song in the end.. unfortunately the version I recorded was not a good one.. still in search of a good recording...Simply one of my favourite songs...
isn't it one of the most appropriate swan songs considering the fact Anil Biswas said Alvida to Film industry...
Some films and some songs leaves a forever impact on you... This song is one of them...still remains gold for me...
Are you madly in love with a song? why not have a series on "In love with a song"
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Song : Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai Film : Chhoti Chhoti Baatein (1965) Singer : Meena Kapoor Music : Anil Biswas Lyrics : Shailender Picturised on : Nadira
Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2 mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
duniya ne hamein berahami se thukara jo diya, achcha hi kiya - 2 nadaan hum samajhe baithe the -2 nibhati hai yahaan dil se dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
insaaf, mohabbat, sachchaai -2 wo rahmo-karam ke dikhlaave kuchh kahate zabaan sharmaati hai -2 poochho na jalan mere dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
jo (ye?) basti hai insaano ki insaa magar dhoondhe na mila -2 paththar ke buton se kya keeje -2 fariyaad bhalaa toote dil ki
Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2 mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki
> My first (and to an extent last) introduction to the song was about > 15-16 years back when I got to see the movie on Doordarshan.... Since > then I have never been able to get the song out of me.. Dont know why > but I have lived and listend the song (only) in my memories... > Memories to Cherish forever.. the song proves it.. infact the song was
...snipped...
> Motilal's death during prior to the release of CCB, was a not only a > loss of a great actor, he was... but a great director what he could > be... CCB is a showcase of that...
I believe Motilal died three or four days after the release of the film - due to its dismal showing at he box office. IIRC, the late Anil-da himself mentioned this in an interview that he had gone to attend the premiere of the film and three days later he had to go back to Bombay for Motilal's funeral.
On a side note, I haven't yet seen the film myself. It never made to my small hometown. Is it available on video/VCD? Does some kind soul on RMIM have it on video, esp. in the U.S.? Would love to see it.
I agree with you 100% that this is indeed a great song.However, I want to highlight an unusual aspect of the lyrics of this song.I am familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially not at such a high intensity.
The emotions in the song are similar to
"jalaa do ise phoo.nk daalo yeh duniyaa mere saamane se hataa do yeh duniyaa tumhaarii hai tum hii samhaalo yeh duniyaa yeh duniyaa agar mil bhi jaaye to kya hai"
although Shailendra is not as loud and crude in his expression as Sahir.
Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in making that film.
Teesri Qasam was released in 1966, where as Chhoti Chhoti Baaten was released in 1965. Shailendra could not have become bitter about the failure of his film yet to be released, when lyrics for Chhoti Chhoti Baaten were written :-).
Shailendra has written several sad songs. The beauty of his style lay in the use of simple words that could carry some profound feelings.
I find it interesting that the Jaagte Raho version of Zindagi Khwaab Hai as well as the CCB version of Zindagi Khwaab Hai were written by Shailendra and both were picturized on Motilal. The first one conveying easy going, don't care perspective on life and the second one perhaps the most sentimental Alvida ever said...
Deepak
"Vinayak K.Gore" <vinayakg...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> I agree with you 100% that this is indeed a great song.However, I want > to highlight an unusual aspect of the lyrics of this song.I am > familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see > the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially > not at such a high intensity.
> The emotions in the song are similar to
> "jalaa do ise phoo.nk daalo yeh duniyaa > mere saamane se hataa do yeh duniyaa > tumhaarii hai tum hii samhaalo yeh duniyaa > yeh duniyaa agar mil bhi jaaye to kya hai"
> although Shailendra is not as loud and crude in his expression as > Sahir.
> Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are > the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because > we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in > making that film.
"Deepak" <deepk.sab...@hp.com> wrote in message <news:3f92b75f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>... > Teesri Qasam was released in 1966, where as Chhoti Chhoti Baaten was > released in 1965. Shailendra could not have become bitter about the failure > of his film yet to be released, when lyrics for Chhoti Chhoti Baaten were > written :-).
I did not say that Shailendra became bitter due to failure of Teesari Kasam at box office.He could have been bitter even before the film was complete because he had enough troubles during the making of Teesari Kasam (i.e the time when he wrote kuchh aur zamaanaa)such as the problem with dates of Raj Kapoor and Wahida Rahman, thus delaying the completion and pushing the production costs up and also some financial mismanagement by his brother in law.
One of the reasons for my liking of this song, is the Mood... The mood was so brilliantly penned by Shailendra and excellently executed by Anil da and Meena Kapoor.. The mood is not as aggresive or hard hitting as "Jala do, phoonk daalo.." but does carry certain Vidrohi Tevars... The character lives on with the attitude of "Who cares" rather than expressing anger or frustration as in "Jala do ise phhonk daalo ye duniya"... I would prefer to call it "Bailossi Tevar" (??????) ... Let the Duniya be there, I dont care.. She wanted to swim against the river flow (could be the one reason to pitcurise it on the boat) while Sahir was more aggresive , and doesn't want to stay in the river flow in that song(tumhari hai tum hi sambhalo ye duniya)... The two songs, though Vidrohi in nature, present two different characters in a different state of mind..and more importantly present character's anger and frustration according to the script...
> I am > familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see > the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially > not at such a high intensity. > Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are > the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because > we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in > making that film.
I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and write according to the characters and mood of the song.. Dont forget at the same time of CCB, Shailendra penned "Jaao re jogi tum jaao re", "Titali udi", "Savere wali gaadi se " and "Duniya ki sair kar lo".. He was a true Legend....
> One of the reasons for my liking of this song, is the Mood... The mood > was so brilliantly penned by Shailendra and excellently executed by > Anil da and Meena Kapoor.. The mood is not as aggresive or hard > hitting as "Jala do, phoonk daalo.." but does carry certain Vidrohi > Tevars... > The character lives on with the attitude of "Who cares" rather than > expressing anger or frustration as in "Jala do ise phhonk daalo ye > duniya"... I would prefer to call it "Bailossi Tevar" (??????) ... > Let the Duniya be there, I dont care.. She wanted to swim against the > river flow (could be the one reason to pitcurise it on the boat) while > Sahir was more aggresive , and doesn't want to stay in the river flow > in that song(tumhari hai tum hi sambhalo ye duniya)... > The two songs, though Vidrohi in nature, present two different > characters in a different state of mind..and more importantly present > character's anger and frustration according to the script...
> > I am > familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see > > the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially > > not at such a high intensity. > > Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are > > the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because > > we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in > > making that film.
> I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional > assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and > write according to the characters and mood of the song.. > Dont forget at the same time of CCB, Shailendra penned "Jaao re jogi > tum jaao re", "Titali udi", "Savere wali gaadi se " and "Duniya ki > sair kar lo".. > He was a true Legend....
> Pavan Jha
In the thread about an Akbar Allahabadi ghazal sung by Saigal, I had explained the sense of the word "be~laus" (something like "without ulterior motives" or "without expectation of any return"). But the underlying idea is of some act which can be deemed as "be~laus". In that light, the term "be~lausee tevar" doesn't quite suit the mood or tempo of this song. As a matter of fact, the word "tevar" dosn't quite go well with "be~laus". The poet is not talking about any "Attitude" (in the recent sense of the term).
Saahir's "Pyaasa" song, OTOH, not only depicts anger but also a very quick transformation of the mood into one of despair and surrender ("tumhaari hai tum hi sambhaalo yeh duniya").
The remarkable thing about the CCB song is that its "vidroh" is presented in a very calm, serene and introspective manner. Both characters may have suffered extreme disappointment in their lives, yet they are at peace with the world.
> I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional > assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and > write according to the characters and mood of the song..
Although the above statement is generally true, a few of his songs were based on real life incidents e.g.
1."chhoTiisii yeh duniyaa, pehchaane raaste hai" is what Shailendra told Shankar and Jaikishan after he had a fight with both of them, later it became mu.khaDaa of Rangoli song.
2."muD muD ke naa dekh" - is what Shailendra said to Jaikishan when the latter was looking at a beautiful girl, later it became the mu.khaDaa od Shree 420 song.
3."nanhe munne bachche" - after the birth of Shailendra's first child someone suggested to Shailendra to get the astrological chart of the child made.Shailendra rejected the idea and wrote the above song.
4."jangal me.n mor naachaa kisii ne naa dekha" is also based on an real life incident.Once Shailendra returned home after a party.As he had consumed lot of alcohol, he was walking unsteadily after getting out from his car.Seeing that, Hemant Kumar's (who was his next door neighbour) sister in laws, 6 or 7 of them, started laughing at him.Based on this he wrote "ham jo tho.Diisii piike zaraa jhuume hai re sab ne dekha"
In the light of above, it is legitimate to attempt to correlate the feelings expressed in a "kuchh aur zamaanaa" and Shailendra's troubled state of mind, possibly a result of stresses and strains he suffered during the making of Teesari Kasam.
> Dont forget at the same time of CCB, Shailendra penned "Jaao re jogi > tum jaao re", "Titali udi", "Savere wali gaadi se " and "Duniya ki > sair kar lo".. > He was a true Legend....
> > I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional > > assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and > > write according to the characters and mood of the song..
> Although the above statement is generally true, a few of his songs > were based on real life incidents e.g.
> 1."chhoTiisii yeh duniyaa, pehchaane raaste hai" is what Shailendra > told Shankar and Jaikishan after he had a fight with both of them, > later it became mu.khaDaa of Rangoli song.
> 2."muD muD ke naa dekh" - is what Shailendra said to Jaikishan when > the latter was looking at a beautiful girl, later it became the > mu.khaDaa od Shree 420 song.
> 3."nanhe munne bachche" - after the birth of Shailendra's first child > someone suggested to Shailendra to get the astrological chart of the > child made.Shailendra rejected the idea and wrote the above song.
> 4."jangal me.n mor naachaa kisii ne naa dekha" is also based on an > real life incident.Once Shailendra returned home after a party.As he > had consumed lot of alcohol, he was walking unsteadily after getting > out from his car.Seeing that, Hemant Kumar's (who was his next door > neighbour) sister in laws, 6 or 7 of them, started laughing at > him.Based on this he wrote "ham jo tho.Diisii piike zaraa jhuume hai > re sab ne dekha"
> In the light of above, it is legitimate to attempt to correlate the > feelings expressed in a "kuchh aur zamaanaa" and Shailendra's troubled > state of mind, possibly a result of stresses and strains he suffered > during the making of Teesari Kasam.
The stories about "choTiisii yeh duniyaa" and "muD muD ke naa dekh" are from a Marathi book "Geetayatri" written by Prof.Madhav Moholkar who was, Shailendra's friend and claimed that he got them from Shailendra himself.The story about "jangal me.n mor naachaa" was put on SKS and Shailendra groups and I read the story about "nanhe munne bachche" in some article on Shailendra.
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