Quiz : Burning Train
Srinivas Ganti
the movie "The Burning train" and a funny bit of conversation regarding
the movie turned into a quiz.
When the train begins its journey and after it catches fire, an
announcement says
"500 lifes will be lost". Finally when the train comes to a halt, how
many people come out alive ?
btw this movie seems to be the mother of all multistarrers. It had
Dharmendra, Hema Malini, Vinod Khanna, Parveen Babi, Jeetendra, Neetu
Singh, Vinod Mehra, Danny, Simi Garewal
among others.
UVR
I don't know (remember) the answer, but if you were thinking that
there should have been 500 people, then you may be mistaken!
There is no guarantee that when a (burning) train has an accident,
all the lives lost will be those of the people ON the train, is there?
My guess is: 10 people came out.
-UVR.
Srinivas Ganti
UVR wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > Had a great time with Satish and Saroj Kalra this evening. We watched
> > the movie "The Burning train" and a funny bit of conversation regarding
> > the movie turned into a quiz.
> >
> > When the train begins its journey and after it catches fire, an
> > announcement says
> > "500 lifes will be lost". Finally when the train comes to a halt, how
> > many people come out alive ?
>
> I don't know (remember) the answer, but if you were thinking that
> there should have been 500 people, then you may be mistaken!
> There is no guarantee that when a (burning) train has an accident,
> all the lives lost will be those of the people ON the train, is there?
>
> My guess is: 10 people came out.
The number is close to 500. There are 500 people on the train when it
starts in Delhi.
How many people are there when it reaches its destination ? (Bombay)..
skalr...@yahoo.com
Srinivas:
Your quiz was a little misleading from the beginning. Let me rectify
it a bit.
There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
destination.
Simple math! No, there is a hidden twist in the quiz.
Include the side charcters like Rajendra Nath, Yunus Parvez, Om
Shivpuri, Asha Sachdev (who sings the excellent qawwaalii "pal do pal
kaa saath hamaaraa...."), Indrani Mukherji, etc., and this film changes
its 'sex' and indeed becomes the "father" of all multi-starrers, like
Bombay To Goa.
Happy Solvings (or Solutions).
Satish Kalra
Abhijit
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Include the side charcters like Rajendra Nath, Yunus Parvez, Om
> Shivpuri, Asha Sachdev (who sings the excellent qawwaalii "pal do pal
> kaa saath hamaaraa....")
To make it more relevant to RMIM, this qawwaalii tune resembles at
places to the bhajan "darshan do ghanashyaamanaath morii". It could be
because of use of same raaga, but if it really was the inspiration, I
have to salute RDB to have used a bhajan as an inspiration to churn out
a popular qawwaalii.
Loony Tunes
There have been several tunes (popular Hindi songs) on which a lot of
Bhajans were set to during the 80s and 90s. A spin-off quiz on this, Is
the earliest instance of this known ?
Of course your point stands if the tune of the Bhajan pre-dated the
Qawwali.
lt
Loony Tunes
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > UVR wrote:
> > > Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > > > Had a great time with Satish and Saroj Kalra this evening. We watched
> > > > the movie "The Burning train" and a funny bit of conversation regarding
> > > > the movie turned into a quiz.
> > > >
> > > > When the train begins its journey and after it catches fire, an
> > > > announcement says
> > > > "500 lifes will be lost". Finally when the train comes to a halt, how
> > > > many people come out alive ?
> >
> > >
> > > I don't know (remember) the answer, but if you were thinking that
> > > there should have been 500 people, then you may be mistaken!
> > > There is no guarantee that when a (burning) train has an accident,
> > > all the lives lost will be those of the people ON the train, is there?
> > >
> > > My guess is: 10 people came out.
> >
> >
> > The number is close to 500. There are 500 people on the train when it
> > starts in Delhi.
> > How many people are there when it reaches its destination ? (Bombay)..
I thought the train never reached Bombay !!! So that would mean nobody
reached since most bogies (non-burning) ones are detached from the
burning engine and a couple more attached to it by the heroes.
Alternately, it would mean that but for those that Kalraji mentioned,
everybody else survived.
lt
Srinivas Ganti
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
> and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
> fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
> character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
> escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
> two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
> rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
> destination.
Danny is another outsider and its not shown how he boards the train.
When Vinod Khanna is trying to go to the engine room, he tires to
thwart him. Danny is killed in the ensuing scuffle. So this doesn't
effect the count.
The final count seems to be 500 -3 + 2 = 499. Is it really 499 ?
skalr...@yahoo.com
Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
> > and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
> > fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
> > character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
> > escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
> > two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
> > rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
> > destination.
>
>
> Danny is another outsider and its not shown how he boards the train.
You must have missed that part - Danny boards the train using the alias
of Vinod Khanna (or Dharmendra) and uses the helicopter to drop on top
of the engine, and destroys the chopper (killing its pilot).
> When Vinod Khanna is trying to go to the engine room, he tires to
> thwart him. Danny is killed in the ensuing scuffle. So this doesn't
> effect the count.
>
> The final count seems to be 500 -3 + 2 = 499. Is it really 499 ?
It is not fair, Srinivas. Without giving a hint for the final
solution, how can they guess, unless they have seen the film recently!
Satish Kalra
PS: There are many instances of a bhajan predecessing the tune of a
film song - I rememebr one from the early mid-50's by Geeta Dutt, "aaj
nahiin to kal, bikharenge ye baadal....", sung on the tune of "om jai
jagdish hare....". A pretty decent song, I must say.
Loony Tunes
skalra0...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
> > > and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
> > > fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
> > > character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
> > > escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
> > > two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
> > > rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
> > > destination.
> >
> >
> > Danny is another outsider and its not shown how he boards the train.
>
> You must have missed that part - Danny boards the train using the alias
> of Vinod Khanna (or Dharmendra) and uses the helicopter to drop on top
> of the engine, and destroys the chopper (killing its pilot).
>
> > When Vinod Khanna is trying to go to the engine room, he tires to
> > thwart him. Danny is killed in the ensuing scuffle. So this doesn't
> > effect the count.
> >
> > The final count seems to be 500 -3 + 2 = 499. Is it really 499 ?
>
> It is not fair, Srinivas. Without giving a hint for the final
> solution, how can they guess, unless they have seen the film recently!
Right. I only remember a few scenes typical cliches, one of them being
the scene where some piece of cloth was needed for emergency purposes
and when the new bride refused to part with her chunni/oDhanii, Asha
Sachdev very graciously donates her saree for the cause. Isnt this
scene from the same movie.
Abhijit
Loony Tunes wrote:
>
> Right. I only remember a few scenes typical cliches, one of them being
> the scene where some piece of cloth was needed for emergency purposes
> and when the new bride refused to part with her chunni/oDhanii, Asha
> Sachdev very graciously donates her saree for the cause. Isnt this
> scene from the same movie.
>
in some sexiness in the storyboard. Another that comes to mind is from
Aa Gale Lag Ja where the hero (Shashi Kapoor) had only one option to
save the heroine's life -- to sleep with her that is. You can't stop
laughing when the doctor's words (something to the effect "ek hii
raastaa hai, patient se chipak jaao") echo in the mind of a serious
Shashi Kapoor!
Srinivas Ganti
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
> > > and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
> > > fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
> > > character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
> > > escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
> > > two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
> > > rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
> > > destination.
> >
> >
> > Danny is another outsider and its not shown how he boards the train.
>
> You must have missed that part - Danny boards the train using the alias
> of Vinod Khanna (or Dharmendra) and uses the helicopter to drop on top
> of the engine, and destroys the chopper (killing its pilot).
>
> > When Vinod Khanna is trying to go to the engine room, he tires to
> > thwart him. Danny is killed in the ensuing scuffle. So this doesn't
> > effect the count.
> >
> > The final count seems to be 500 -3 + 2 = 499. Is it really 499 ?
>
> It is not fair, Srinivas. Without giving a hint for the final
> solution, how can they guess, unless they have seen the film recently!
Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How come ?
skalr...@yahoo.com
the roles) isn't something new to Hindi films. It has been shown in
many films. The idea was "originally" borrowed from some English short
story that I remember having read in the early 50's. Sorry, don't
remember the title or the author.
Going back to the Asha Sachdev scene from The Burning Train, it was
more to highlight the plight of the 'dancing, naomad girl' rather than
to bring some 'sexiness', since the dialogue by her is, "ham jaisii
auraton kaa na koyii suhaag hai, na hoga..." (or something to that
effect), after a married woman refuses to part with her red coloured
saree since it was her "suhaag kaa jo.Daa".
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Srinivas Ganti
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > There are 500 passengers on the train at the beginning of the journey,
> > > and two engine crew. The two crew memebrs lose their lives in the
> > > fight with the villain/bombing incident. Then, another villainous
> > > character (from among the passengers), Ranjit, also dies trying to
> > > escape with the stolen diamonds. Dharmendra and Vinod Khanna are the
> > > two outsiders who board the train via helicopter/s to attempt the
> > > rescue. No other lives are lost, when the train crashes into its
> > > destination.
> >
> >
> > Danny is another outsider and its not shown how he boards the train.
>
> You must have missed that part - Danny boards the train using the alias
> of Vinod Khanna (or Dharmendra) and uses the helicopter to drop on top
> of the engine, and destroys the chopper (killing its pilot).
>
> > When Vinod Khanna is trying to go to the engine room, he tires to
> > thwart him. Danny is killed in the ensuing scuffle. So this doesn't
> > effect the count.
> >
> > The final count seems to be 500 -3 + 2 = 499. Is it really 499 ?
>
> It is not fair, Srinivas. Without giving a hint for the final
> solution, how can they guess, unless they have seen the film recently!
Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How can that be possible
?
Ashok
sga...@gmail.com says...
General demographic equation is:
Pt+1 = Pt + B -D + Net migration
Ashok
Prithviraj Dasgupta
>
> Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How come ?
Somebody had a baby on the train?
Just guessing, I haven't seen the movie. But this seems like a weird
quiz to me.
-pdg/
Srinivas Ganti
Ashok wrote:
> In article <1132940264.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How can that be possible
>
>
> General demographic equation is:
>
> Pt+1 = Pt + B -D + Net migration
>
> Ashok
When the count became 499, Satish ji pointed out that the announcement
in the movie
has to be changed to "499 peoples lives are under danger".
Teen I pointed out that a lady on the train is pregnant and if she
gives birth the number will be 500 again. (True to my prediction the
lady did give birth.)
At this point I and Satish ji started laughing loudly, shook hands and
decided to make it a quiz on RMIM. These kinds of things happen only
with RMIMers.
Reminds me of a kissa at Dr.Kapoor's house. I was telling Anant Rege
that I quite liked
a Noorjehan song from a cd I got from him but I cudn't reall it. After
a long time
Anant patted on my back and exclaimed "ye kaun ha.Nsa" and said
something like "such a conversation between grown up people can happen
only among RMIMers". ;)
surjit singh
Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> Ashok wrote:
> > In article <1132940264.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >
> > >
> > >Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How can that be possible
> >
> >
> > General demographic equation is:
> >
> > Pt+1 = Pt + B -D + Net migration
> >
> > Ashok
>
>
> When the count became 499, Satish ji pointed out that the announcement
> in the movie
> has to be changed to "499 peoples lives are under danger".
>
> Teen I pointed out that a lady on the train is pregnant and if she
> gives birth the number will be 500 again. (True to my prediction the
> lady did give birth.)
Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
only after-birth.
asi...@my-deja.com
surjit singh wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > Teen I pointed out that a lady on the train is pregnant and if she
> > gives birth the number will be 500 again. (True to my prediction the
> > lady did give birth.)
>
> Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
> only after-birth.
How did they explain this newly minted half-ticketless traveller to the
TC?
During those days, it used to take so many months to book a reserved
ticket that the kid may actually have been conceived on the platform.
Btw, the Hema Malini episode (broken legs, unable to meet Paaji) was
lifted from Cary Grant's "An Affair to Remember". Obviously, the whole
film was lifted by the makers of the Aamir-Manisha film "Mann.'
Arun
skalr...@yahoo.com
surjit singh wrote:
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> > Ashok wrote:
> > > In article <1132940264.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Here's the hint. The final count is also 500. How can that be possible
> > >
> > >
> > > General demographic equation is:
> > >
> > > Pt+1 = Pt + B -D + Net migration
> > >
> > > Ashok
> >
> >
> > When the count became 499, Satish ji pointed out that the announcement
> > in the movie
> > has to be changed to "499 peoples lives are under danger".
> >
> > Teen I pointed out that a lady on the train is pregnant and if she
> > gives birth the number will be 500 again. (True to my prediction the
> > lady did give birth.)
>
> Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
> only after-birth.
Not from a "head count" point of view. :)
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Ashok
surji...@gmail.com says...
>Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
>only after-birth.
George W. Bush and all his supreme court nominees would
love you!
In article <1133231086.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
surji...@gmail.com says...
>I am a genuine idiot!
Ahem, no comment.
Ashok
surjit singh
Ashok wrote:
> In article <1133214977.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> surji...@gmail.com says...
>
> >Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
> >only after-birth.
>
> George W. Bush and all his supreme court nominees would
> love you!
Strawman again! This must be some kind of a record. Look, a baby inside
within a day or two of being borne is alive no matter whose definition
you are using. But, of course, you are Ashok :)
Ashok
surji...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>Ashok wrote:
>> In article <1133214977.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> surji...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> >Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
>> >only after-birth.
>>
>> George W. Bush and all his supreme court nominees would
>> love you!
>
>Strawman again! This must be some kind of a record. Look, a baby inside
>within a day or two of being borne is alive no matter whose definition
>you are using. But, of course, you are Ashok :)
And, of course, you are Singh! And "being borne"? Hmmm.
Demographpically, it makes sense to add a baby to the
population count after it is born. If you think you have
a better suggestion, state it and defend it.
Ashok
Surjit Singh
Ashok wrote:
> In article <1133243631.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> surji...@gmail.com says...
>
>>
>>Ashok wrote:
>>
>>>In article <1133214977.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>surji...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
>>>>only after-birth.
>>>
>>>George W. Bush and all his supreme court nominees would
>>>love you!
>>
>>Strawman again! This must be some kind of a record. Look, a baby inside
>>within a day or two of being borne is alive no matter whose definition
>>you are using. But, of course, you are Ashok :)
>
>
> And, of course, you are Singh! And "being borne"? Hmmm.
> Demographpically, it makes sense to add a baby to the
> population count after it is born. If you think you have
> a better suggestion, state it and defend it.
I see the problem. You are going by the 'legal' definition of
population, I am going by the 'literal' definition of alive or life It's
a question of of interpretation.
Ganti said,
"When the train begins its journey and after it catches fire, an
announcement says
"500 lifes will be lost". Finally when the train comes to a halt, how
many people come out alive ?"
>
> Ashok
>
>
>
>
>
>>>In article <1133231086.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>surji...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am a genuine idiot!
>>>
>>>Ahem, no comment.
>>>
>>>Ashok
>>
>
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Srinivas Ganti
Lets all get out of the burning train. ( I mean lets close the thread.)
I guess policeman is on vacation. Else attempts wud have been made to
stop the train earlier ;)
Ashok
>
>
>
>Ashok wrote:
>> In article <1133243631.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>> surji...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>>
>>>Ashok wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <1133214977.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>surji...@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Miscount! The kid was 'alive' when it was inside. You cannot add it
>>>>>only after-birth.
>>>>
>>>>George W. Bush and all his supreme court nominees would
>>>>love you!
>>>
>>>Strawman again! This must be some kind of a record. Look, a baby inside
>>>within a day or two of being borne is alive no matter whose definition
>>>you are using. But, of course, you are Ashok :)
>>
>>
>> And, of course, you are Singh! And "being borne"? Hmmm.
>> Demographpically, it makes sense to add a baby to the
>> population count after it is born. If you think you have
>> a better suggestion, state it and defend it.
>
>I see the problem. You are going by the 'legal' definition of
>population, I am going by the 'literal' definition of alive or life It's
>a question of of interpretation.
>
>http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Forget legalities. Let us stick to "literal" whatever that means.
What is the critical point after which you'll inlcude it in
your count?
Ashok
surjit singh
In deference to the wishes of the thread originator, Srinivas, I am
switching to email. Watch your inbox :)
>
>
> Ashok