GEETanjali: chaahe to moraa jiyaa lai le
vijay...@my-deja.com
often ignored in the treasure trove that the Mamta soundtrack is.
I have this song on CS back in India - a Lata M. classical songs
2-CS set. Has been a long time since I heard it. I wanted to use
this for the preludes RJGK, but could not lay my hands on a
copy of the song to verify the words of the prelude.
And then, it showed up on Youtube.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwnSSvNvizI
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\stitle{chaahe to moraa jiyaa lai le}%
\film{Mamta}%
\year{1966}%
\starring{}%
\singer{Lata}%
\music{Roshan}%
\lyrics{Majrooh}%
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% Tags: Mujra
% Audio on:
% Contributor: Vijay Kumar
% Transliterator: Vijay Kumar
% Date: 10 Oct 2008
% Series:
% Comments:
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\printtitle
#indian
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ham ne unake saamane pahale to kha.njar rakh diyaa
phir kalejaa rakh diyaa, dil rakh diyaa, sar rakh diyaa
aur kahaa
o, chaahe to moraa jiyaa lai le, saa.Nvariyaa
pher ke nainaa na jaa, na jaa mai.n vaarii rasiyaa
chaahe to moraa jiyaa lai le \threedots
maan bhii jaao na chho.Do na re sai.nyaa
jaane naa duu.Ngii
jaane naa duu.Ngii mai.n dekho more sai.nyaa
rok rahii gorii bahiyaa.N ki ruk jaao,
o man basiyaa
o chaahe to moraa jiyaa lai le \threedots
## Spoken male voice...not on soundtrack
aainaa hai ki hai qaatil ke muqaabil qaatil
mujhe Dar hai kahii.n Dar jaaye na qaatil qaatil
%
#endindian
\endsong
Unfortunately, the Youtube version is truncated after
just one stanza and I distinctly remember this to be a
2-stanza song.
Maybe other RMIMers can fill in the missing part, as
well as provide the name of the dancer on screen.
Vijay
Archisman Mozumder
deja.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe other RMIMers can fill in the missing part, as
> well as provide the name of the dancer on screen.
>
> Vijay
Dear Vijay-ji,
I have uploaded the version that I have here:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlBZUNrQXA1R1B2Wmc9PQ
Please download within 7 days.
It has 2 stanzas (and seems to be the recorded version).
Regards-Archisman.
Abhay Phadnis
The dancer on screen is the heroine of the film - Suchitra Sen! In the
film, the song does end at the first stanza: IIRC, the entry of her
husband at that point leads to her running away to her room.
The second stanza goes:
baalamawaa dekho hamarii suuratiyaa.N
kaajarawaa barase kaalii kaalii raatiyaa.N
saawan bhaado.n morii a.Nkhiyaa.N
ki ruk jaa o manabasiyaa
Also, the first line of the first stanza is "maan bhii jaa_o naa
chho.Do *la.Dakaiyaa.N*" - a variant of "la.Dakaa_ii / la.Dakapan",
meaning childishness.
Warm regards,
Abhay
vijay...@my-deja.com
Thanks Archisman for the song. Renewed listening
pleasure after many many years...
Abhay, funny how I replayed the youtube clip a couple
of times and heard "chho.Do na re sai.nyaa" and then
you point out the correct word, I replayed the clip
and wonder how I could have heard anything but
la.Dakaiyaa.N
Of course, there is another famous song with
"la.Dakaa_ii" ...Saigal's
"bhor suhaanii cha.nchal baalak la.Dakaa_ii
dikhalaaye"
Thanks both.
Vijay
Aditya
la.Dakaiyaa.N)
Aditya
On Oct 10, 1:31 pm, Abhay Phadnis <aphad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, the first line of the first stanza is "maan bhii jaa_o naa
> chho.Do *la.Dakaiyaa.N*" - a variant of "la.Dakaa_ii / la.Dakapan",
> meaning childishness.
>
> Warm regards,
> Abhay- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Abhay Phadnis
> The word, as pronounced in the song, is larakaiyaa.N (a variation of
> la.Dakaiyaa.N)
Substituting the "r" sound for the ".D" sound does not make it a
different word - it is still the same word, written the same way, but
only pronounced differently. One can hear the same variation in
pronunciation in many songs - e.g., in "mohe panaghaT pe nandalaal
chhe.D gayo re", where Lata sings:
ka.nka*rii* mohe maarii
gagariyaa pho*r* Daarii
The words as written, however, would continue to be "ka.nka*.Dii*" and
"pho*.D*".
Warm regards,
Abhay
UVR
Are you saying that one should write 'ka.nka.Dii, pho.D, ...' and
*read* them as 'ka.nkarii, phor, ...' -- I have certainly seen no
precedent for this. When one wants to say phor, one writes "pha + o
kii maatraa + ra".
But yeah, even 'chher' is used instead of 'chhe.D' --
aiso hai niDar he rii brij kaa gvaalaa
beech Dagar chherat matavaalaa
he more raam, he more raam, he more raam
Geeta Dutt's "baaT chalat na_ii chunarii ra.ng
Daarii" (Ladki)
And, *of course*, one has to be careful how far one takes the 'r/.D'
interchangeability. I mean, going back to the MEA gagariya phor-ing
song, one couldn't say: "morii saarii anaa*.D*ii bhigoye gayo re!"
Final point, I am not sure 'ka.nkarii' is the 'variant pronunciation'
and 'ka.nka.Dii' the "actual word." I think it might be the other way
around.
-UVR.
Abhay Phadnis
>
> Are you saying that one should write 'ka.nka.Dii, pho.D, ...' and
> *read* them as 'ka.nkarii, phor, ...' -- I have certainly seen no
> precedent for this. When one wants to say phor, one writes "pha + o
> kii maatraa + ra".
I am not saying one should write ".D" and read it as "r" - I am saying
that if the original word has ".D", one should write it that way even
if the speaker/singer chooses to render it as "r". I have never seen
"pho.D" *written* as "phor" (although I do recall seeing "ka.nka.D"
written as "ka.nkar").
>
> But yeah, even 'chher' is used instead of 'chhe.D' --
>
> aiso hai niDar he rii brij kaa gvaalaa
> beech Dagar chherat matavaalaa
> he more raam, he more raam, he more raam
> Geeta Dutt's "baaT chalat na_ii chunarii ra.ng
> Daarii" (Ladki)
>
> And, *of course*, one has to be careful how far one takes the 'r/.D'
> interchangeability. I mean, going back to the MEA gagariya phor-ing
> song, one couldn't say: "morii saarii anaa*.D*ii bhigoye gayo re!"
That is exactly I had interpreted it - a search of RMIM archives will
show that! :) My point is not that all "r" sounds are variants of ".D"
- it is only that ".D" sounds often get rendered as "r" (unless, of
course, one is Begum Akhtar - hear her sing "daayam pa.Daa huaa" to
understand exactly how that sound is to be rendered!).
> Final point, I am not sure 'ka.nkarii' is the 'variant pronunciation'
> and 'ka.nka.Dii' the "actual word." I think it might be the other way
> around.
I just checked the Oxford Hindi Dictionary; it posits "ka.nkar" as the
variant - the entry for "ka.nkar" points one to "ka.nka.D".
Incidentally, it lists only "pho.D" - no "phor"!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Aditya
You are making it sound as if pronouncing .D as r is a mistake. It is
not. In brij bhasha, the 'r' sound is written as well as spoken in
some words where the correct Hindi version would have a '.D'. You will
never find anyone pronouncing .D as r in lines that are not in brij
bhasha. So the Begum Akhtar example is totally besides the point.
Aditya
Abhay Phadnis
"Variant" does not equal "mistake". I have no clue where you picked up
the mistake bit. I am not conversant with the niceties of written (or
even spoken) Brijbhasha; if, as you say, ".D" is *never* rendered as
"r" except in Brijbhasha, that would explain why I have never come
across instances of writing with this feature.
> So the Begum Akhtar example is totally besides the point.
The BA example was just mentioned in passing to illustrate the
appropriate pronunciation in Urdu/Hindi - it came about because, quite
coincidentally, I was listening to a BA ghazal as I was typing out
that response!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Vinay
My 2 bit.
ka.nkar/ka.nka.D is a different kind of pair and does not fit with the
other examples. In standard Hindi, both these pronunciations and the
respective written forms are kosher and accepted. OTOH, saa.Dii/
saarii, la.Dakii/larakii, pho.D/phor are examples of variations
between standard and regional/dialectical versions. Only the former
forms in these cases are standard Hindi. The latter forms are used in
contexts (songs, dialogues) where regional pronunciation is required.
Vinay