"Maaran Muthu Yun" - Ud. Bade Ghulam Ali Khan Thumri - Lyrics/Language Help

[Sanjeev Ramabhadran]

RMICers,

As many are aware, this charmin Mand-based piece is one of the 10-12
in an LP of Ud. BGAK's Thumris released probably in the mid-late
1960s. Listening to it again the other day, it occurred to me that I
can't make heads or tails of the lyrics or language. Any help?

Sanjeev

[UVR]

On Nov 24, 9:12 am, Sanjeev Ramabhadran

Not that I can make sense of the words myself, but from the sounds of
it, I think the language is Sindhi. Maybe one of our Sindhi knowing
friends (Hema?) can help.

-UVR.

[Kiran]

The inlay card of the casette (Classic Gold) says it is Marwari.

- Kiran Begari

[Archisman Mozumder]

On Nov 24, 10:12 pm, Sanjeev Ramabhadran

> Sanjeev

Dear Sanjeev,

Mr. Rajeev Patke's informative site has the wordings as 'maran munthe
yun gal yun' and the raag as Sindhi Kafi (is the latter detail
correct?)

http://courses.nus.edu.sg/course/ellpatke/Miscellany/bade%20ghulam.htm

Also, I have never ever heard the Multani Kafi number that is listed
as the song on the flip side of the same disc: 'jindri looti te'. I'll
be grateful if someone can make this recording available.

The words 'gal' and 'jindri' are Punjabi words, are they not? I stand
to be corrected.

Regards.

[Abubakr]

On 26 Nov, 13:28, Archisman Mozumder <archi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 10:12 pm, Sanjeev Ramabhadran
>
> <sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > RMICers,
>
> > As many are aware, this charmin Mand-based piece is one of the 10-12
> > in an LP of Ud. BGAK's Thumris released probably in the mid-late
> > 1960s. Listening to it again the other day, it occurred to me that I
> > can't make heads or tails of the lyrics or language. Any help?
> > Sanjeev
>
> Dear Sanjeev,
>
> Mr. Rajeev Patke's informative site has the wordings as 'maran munthe
> yun gal yun' and the raag as Sindhi Kafi (is the latter detail
> correct?)

Sindhi Kafi is the musical-linguistic form, is it not? I.e. a Kafi in
the Sindhi language as there are Kafi in Multani language (Saraiki?).

[Abubakr]

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[Sanjeev Ramabhadran]

> the Sindhi language as there are Kafi in Multani language (Saraiki?).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think that's correct - there's no Raga Kafi within driving distance
in the composition. Thanks to all posters for help/clarification.

Sanjeev

[UVR]

On Nov 26, 11:54 am, Sanjeev Ramabhadran

Interesting. So are we now this is Sindhi after all? Because after
reading Kiran's post in this thread, I second guessed myself and
contacted a Marwari-knowing friend who said, in effect, "लग तो
मारवाड़ी ही रहा है पर शब्द बहुत अस्पष्ट हैं, कुछ समझ में नहीं आ रहा.
(It does sound like Marwari, but the words are very unclear, I can't
understand anything.)"

BTW, is there such a thing as a "marwari kafi"? I thought kafis were
unique to the northwestern provinces (Sindh, Punjab, ...)?

-UVR.

[Chetan Vinchhi]

On Dec 1, 12:48 am, UVR <u...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> BTW, is there such a thing as a "marwari kafi"?  I thought kafis were
> unique to the northwestern provinces (Sindh, Punjab, ...)?

Don't know about Marwari Kafi but there is something called Kutchi
Kafi. Is there a Punjabi Kafi?

C

[dvsa...@gmail.com]

On Dec 1, 5:34 am, Chetan Vinchhi <vinc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>..... but there is something called Kutchi

> Kafi. Is there a Punjabi Kafi?
>

Kutchi Kafi is called decaf in the West;
while Pakki Kafi (sung in areas that are
in Pakistan or contiguous to Pakistan)
is the regular brew....

[Archisman Mozumder]

Pt Omkarnath Thakur's 78 rpm release of Vande Maataram was labelled as
'Bangiya Kafi'.

Regards..