Is Hip-Hop Dead?
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on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
HEADED?
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fluk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I'm writing a magazine article. I need opinions
> on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD?
Hip hop of 1993 is dead
hip hop of 1991 is dead
hip hop of 1989 is dead
Hip hop of anything before 1988 is dead.
Hip hop of 98 is almost dead.
> IS THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT DYING?
I don't know about original spirit, but the reason why a lot of cats
originally got into hip hop has been a long time, well before we had a
"golden" age. MF's want to either sell units, or spread their
propaganda, hopefully both.
>WHY/WHY NOT?
Why is hip hop dead? It's not really dead, but the audience is in
forever turn around. Old heads move on to other forms of music, and
don't teach the shorties coming up about what came before. The
shorties by and large do not care about what came out last year, but
want to hear what is coming out next week. Further more, the
music/culture isn't studied by but a handful of the listeners. Few
people think about what they are listening, both lyrics and musically.
And those that do think get caught up in whatever is the fad train of
thought. Remember Ya Playin Ya Self, that was just 3 years ago, and
Jigginess is at an all time high. I like jiggy, but I used to like
grimy, and before that I was into black medallions, and before that
parachute pants and bandannas... But now I'm into substance and not
style. And I feel like I'm headed out of something that so important
to me. And I'm not alone. Hip hop loses it's hold on people because
for all of it's change, it does not adapt. OR does it?
Hip hop is dead because hip hop can't be contained anymore. It is
everywhere, and there are no guidelines or information sessions to
teach people about the art/culture/music. And the vast majority of
people who are outside of the genesis of hip hop, control the direction
that the hip hop business, and unfortunately the culture goes.
>WHERE IS THE CULTURE HEADED?
To the check out line.
peace,
k. orr
kru...@mailcity.com
music, to catering to the wallets of suburban teenagers.
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fluk...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I'm writing a magazine article. I need opinions
> on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
> SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
> HEADED?
>
ogami
>
> I'm writing a magazine article. I need opinions
> on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
> SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
> HEADED?
>
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Im always curious to the reasoning behind such questions. Its like
asking about that two year old healthy boy ( maybe mean spirited ), does
he look dead motherfucker?
Its so wack when anonymous (b)writers come here looking for material.
What, you dont know anyone with an opinion on the subject?
Ill cut you.
-ogami
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Mongoose
tanks..some people mistake Puffy and Master P for hip hop...they may be falling
off but hip hop is not.
Mongoose
Vanilla Ice platinum? That shits ridiculous excuse my french but profanity is
all I knew and to you other sell-outs oh yeah F you too.
--Phife, Scenario Remix A Tribe Called Quest
quest19...@webtv.net
question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT?
WHERE IS THE CULTURE HEADED?>>
The last part of your question was answered eloquently by Mos Def. On
his song, "Fear Not Of Man", he said, "ask yourself where you're goin'?"
In that philosophical question lies your answer. As KRS1 has said time
and again, Hip Hop is something we are doing, living, breathing, and so
forth. No, Hip Hop as an artform is for one, too lucrative a business to
die, secondly, as long as you have the masses of young people of color
calling out for help and providing social commentary on the things they
see wrong with themselves and society at large, it won't die. And as
long as Hip Hop retains its' essence(which is gritty and rebellious), it
won't die. I do see however, that a large corporate dollar has become
involved with the "rap" arm of Hip Hop, but the whole of it is still of,
for, and by the streets. PEACE!
Erika Allen
twenties and i remember the golden age of hip hop music. i remember
when krs one and dj scott la rock told us the bridge was over. i
remember when rocksteady used to be the hottest breaking crew. i
remember fresh fest. now its going down hill. you have clique talking
only about jewels and money "BLING BLING" you cant find vinyl any more
and when you do it costs a million dollars (unless you know the
underground spots) i think we as hip hop heads are living in a sad
time....
http://community.webtv.net/etriple/AkiresWorld
JSH
breaking/djaying/emceeing/painting and I would think the majority of those
people care about the culture they live in, THEY ARE HIP HOP gotdamnit....
The mainstream is good, even though most of you feel that it is for the
worse and not the better. Kids who listen to Jay-Z, DMX even Will Smith and
whatnot might eventually be drawn to search deeper and find the dope
artists.
This mentality that is "Hip Hop is ours, strictly ours" needs to die.
Realize that you, the ones sitting here bitching about the mainstream and
all white kids wearing bandanas and talking slang, have the knowledge and ,I
suspect, the ability to go out there and influence your friends and your
sourroundings so that people get turned on to the real.
I'm utterly frustrated at people saying that hip hop is dead or dying
because Puff Daddy sells a ridiculous number of records, have a little faith
in yourselves.....you are hip hop, you're still living hip hop and aslong as
you care and do what you do, hip hop will live.
Peace,
JSH
fluk...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7vs3h5$o19$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>I'm writing a magazine article. I need opinions
>on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
>SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
>HEADED?
>
>
vibes
being sidetracked by marketing schemes. although the culture maybe fading or
losing its true meaning, musically hip hop is progressing and getting doper,
you just have to look harder for the good shit.
be on the lookout for the" phase one" ep by vibes n' verses..
vibesan...@aol.com for more info.
DukeyStayn
>on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
>SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
>HEADED?
maybe the mcing part, not lyricism in general but the music/industry side, not
many people are really trying anything new. Or actually making an effort to
make quality music. Everything else (bboying/djing/graff) seems to be going
strong.
Peace,
Duke
I'm known around my village as "the mouth that likes to shoot."
-Slug-
OHHLA Webmaster: 'Flash'
> I'm writing a magazine article. I need opinions
> on the question IS HIP-HOP DEAD? IS THE ORIGINAL
> SPIRIT DYING? WHY/WHY NOT? WHERE IS THE CULTURE
> HEADED?
[Mos Def]
Listen.. people be askin me all the time,
"Yo Mos, what's gettin ready to happen with Hip-Hop?"
(Where do you think Hip-Hop is goin?)
I tell em, "You know what's gonna happen with Hip-Hop?
Whatever's happening with us"
If we smoked out, Hip-Hop is gonna be smoked out
If we doin alright, Hip-Hop is gonna be doin alright
People talk about Hip-Hop like it's some giant
livin in the hillside
comin down to visit the townspeople
We +are+ Hip-Hop
Me, you, everybody, we are Hip-Hop
So Hip-Hop is goin where we goin
So the next time you ask yourself where Hip-Hop is goin
ask yourself.. where am I goin?
How am I doin? Til you get a clear idea
--
"I don't turn on Korn to get it on;
I be playin Jimi Hendrix 'til the dawn" --> Mos Def
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ogami <ogamii...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Its so wack when anonymous (b)writers come here looking for material.
needed to be said.
k. orr
Delirium
>
> This mentality that is "Hip Hop is ours, strictly ours" needs to die.
> Realize that you, the ones sitting here bitching about the mainstream and
> all white kids wearing bandanas and talking slang, have the knowledge and ,I
> suspect, the ability to go out there and influence your friends and your
> sourroundings so that people get turned on to the real.
I try man.... i fuckin' try. Some people just don't see past that DMX
Ruffryders Jay-z shit though. Some never will....
PauseTape1
Ive said this before and I'll say it again, but Kari is dropping jewels like
muhfuckin Phil Donahue up in here. One of, if not the most intelligent writers
in here and definitely a valuable part of this ng. I'll read this cat all day.
I might just be coming off like another complainer, but from a hiphop
perspective the last album to really blow me away was Common's resurrection,
esp. on the strength of No ID production. No one since then has come with such
incredible breaks I had never heard (but liked so much). That was 94, and I'm
beginning to think I just belong to an older generation of listeners. Like how
all music evolves Ive come to accept that it will never be 1992 again and we'll
never get that sound of basslines muddily filtered through the s950 as the
central rhythm section of our hiphop beats. Today its been replaced by the
clean punch of the MPC2000 and a deep Roland bassline fattening up a continous
loop.
Hip hop has evolved but is still a music that on some levels is no less
true to the same audience it addressed 8 years ago. At its best it still speaks
loud and clear to a whole set of eager listeners. Stylistically, the fact that
it changes so often based on the contributions of one or two producers (and I
cant forget, MCs) on one or two LPs in any given year tends to leave the
listener (myself included) alienated everytime it reinvents itself. Even if I'm
not with a lot of this new stuff, the fact that the music is constantly on the
move should be reassuring to all people that this shit ain't over, muthafuckas.
And let me just say theres a lot of complainers in hiphop; critics always
talking and going on about what's wrong with hip-hop. I just want to say I
think thats a good thing; that makes hip-hop a cut above all other music: its
high level of self-regulation... without that constant reevaluation of the
music, it might be stuck on some ol' bullshit.
It's still alive.
peace out
dj medicine