abstract rap versus reality rap
APage20301
I thought the newsgroup would be interested in this interview I had with
Master P on the above topic "abstract rap vs. reality rap" for New Orleans
based Tribe Magazine. The questions veer off the topic occasionally, but
Master P gives some interesting quotes that I'm sure will elicit thought
and provoke response. Please read it and post your thoughts.
(Occasionally, I insert things in parenthesis to make what Master P is
saying clearer. Everything outside of these parenthetical additions is
printed just like MP said it)
Tribe: What do you think about the terms "abstract rap" and "reality rap",
respectively?
Master P: I define ("reality rap") as keeping it real. People that make
that type of music is people like me, people that's from the ghetto. I
grew up in the Calliope. I think rap is an art. When you think of art, you
think of painting a picure. When I look outside my window of my house, it
ain't what the people on Lakefront Drive would see or what somebody riding
on St. charles Avenue would see. I gotta paint the picture outside my
window. I just talk about the things I see outside my window. That's what
"keeping it real" is all about. The term "abstract rap" shouldn't even be
a word. they should just keep it real and say what they want to say. I
think everybody got their own way of being creative. I just wanna keep it
real.
Tribe: What are you trying to express through your music? Do you rap on
specific topics and, if so, which topics?
Master P: I'm open to everything. I rap about reality, keeping it real,
the ghetto. Basic topics. Life, death, That's my basic topics: mostly life
and death. In order to stay alive, you gotta have a plan. Once you dead,
there ain't no coming back. What I express in my music is the never-ending
game of killing. That's what I feel it is in New Orleans. Some people take
it as a game. Life ain't no joke to me, because I think life is the most
precious thing you can have. I think a lot of people (are) scared to touch
those kind of topics and those are the topics I go for.
Tribe: What do you feel New Orleans needs in order to become a major
player in the rap industry?
Master P: More people like us. We making things happen. Mystikal. You got
a lot of local groups from Mia X to TRU. Other companies (in New Orleans)
just gotta keep it real. I think they're starting to recognize it now. I
see a lot of people starting to pop up out of New Orleans.
Tribe: What about bounce music? Do you think it has the potential to go
national?
Master P: If you take bounce music and take out all of the local
neighborhoods (and make it more universal), I think it does have the
potential (to go national). I think it will just take a little time to
grow on people. Just like it grew on New Orleans, it took over, eventually
it's going to go all over the world if somebody does it right.
Tribe: How do you personally define "hip-hop"?
Master P: I define hip-hop as a rapper craft. I think that it's an art
from a rap point of view. People think R&B and jazz (are art), but I think
hip-hop is a way to let it all hang out. You know how if you work
somewhere --you take your hair down if you're a woman and if you're a man
you take your shoes off, get in a chair and get a nice cold drink--I think
hip-hop is in the music industry, a way to just let yourself go.
Tribe: Where do you see hip-hop in New Orleans by the year 2000?
Master P: Oh, man. No limit. I see it being as big as anywhere else. We
just got too many talented people out here. Uncut talent.
Tribe: What are you personally doing to expand hip-hop in New Orleans?
Master P: I see my role as opening doors. I'm marching for New Orleans.
I'm the president of my company. I'd like to be known as a leader. I want
people to know there is a lot of talent in New Orleans, so they'll be
searching (to sign acts from here).
Tribe: Could you speak a little bit about the movie.
Master P: The movie is dealing with life in the struggle in the projects,
what's going on in New Orleans. Showing life in the ghetto from a Southern
perspective. We done seen "Menace II Society" from the West Coast, we done
seen the "Juice" from New York. I think it's time to show what New Orleans
is all about. They think we just a tourist city, but they don't know that
new Orleans is one of the murder capitals of the world and a lot of things
go on down here. People got to realize that it ain't the country (down in
New Orleans). People living just as fast as people are living in all the
other big cities. It's time for us to wake up in New Orleans and realize
it ain't just about us killing each other. We can come together as a unit
and make a better way out for us and our families. That's what the movie
is all about: trying to survive in New Orleans.
Tribe: Do you think rap should be separated into genres and categorized?
Master P: I think, me personally, I think it's just a way out to point the
finger. It ain't no such thing as gangsta rap or hip-hop. I think it's
just a way to point the finger at the bad guy. Really, you ain't suppose
to judge a book by no cover.
Tribe: So, you don't see your music as being any different from, say,
Pharcyde or A Tribe Called Quest?
Master P: I think their music is more kid-friendly where it ain't as hard.
We sticker our product. You listen to the Pharcyde and all them people,
these people still cussing and everything. It's just, other things they
saying that you might think is harmless, but if you really listen to these
people's records, you'd see there ain't no difference. It ain't like they
ain't cussing at all. I think they more hiding behind a shield and they do
a better job than we do. We just straight up open.
Tribe: How does the murder of rapper Tupac Shakur affect the future of
reality rap?
Master P: I think it will open the eyes up and show people that no matter
what you got, ain't nothing more valuable than life. Ain't nothing more
valuable than God. Somethimes when you get into situations, you gotta
think about what you do before you do it and think about what you say
before you say it. It's a major tragedy, but I think it's going to be a
learning lesson to all the reality rappers out there in the world, knowing
that you either gonna be a rapper or you gonna get into (pause) other
stuff. If you gonna get into other stuff, you might be wasting your time
trying to be a rapper. if you make trouble and can't go nowhere, how you
gonna do a concert? How you gonna do an autograph session if everybody
after you? I think his whole life gonna be a learning experience for
people.
Tribe: Do you have any artists on your label now, or do you see yourself
signing in the future, artists who could be considered "abstract"?
Master P: Um, well, I'm open for whatever will sell. That's what make me
"no limit". I won't place myself in one trap.
Comments anyone?
alan
Aztec-Assassin
Even though I don't like Master P's style I can respect him for being
honest to himself and to his people (people in the ghetto...black, asian,
latino, white, whatever...) That's why I'll play No Limit material on my
show, some people in Albuquerque can genuinely feel Master P even though I
can't.
As for NOLA? I went to school for a year over there and I can definitely
say that if you can survive the streets there that you can survive any
hood. I remember even my friend from Boogie Down Bronx saying shit wasn't
nearly as fucked up there as it was in New Orleans. Heh Heh, I remember
walking all the way from a courthouse through South Carrolton, MLK all
the way to the uptown district (where my school was, tulane). Now I'm a
big man and not scared easily but I know I sure wouldn't want to live in
that area. If Master P came from a place like this and is now a
legitimate/legal businessman, all I can give him is love for not
just surviving but winning at the game of life ('La Movida' is a similar
philosophy among my Chicano people).
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Ike A Newton IV
Aztec-Assassin (hip...@musca.unm.edu) wrote:
: Even though I don't like Master P's style I can respect him for being
I like the way you did that. You was honest and said you didn't to much
care for his style, but still gave da man his props for what he did.
Didn't do like most of these eggheads and try to make people like what you
like. Even gave examples of walking and see his hood.
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Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <55rt2s$p...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: >: As for NOLA? I went to school for a year over there and I can
: definitely
: >: say that if you can survive the streets there that you can survive any
: >: hood. I remember even my friend from Boogie Down Bronx saying shit
: wasn't
: >: nearly as fucked up there as it was in New Orleans. Heh Heh, I remember
:
: >: walking all the way from a courthouse through South Carrolton, MLK all
: >: the way to the uptown district (where my school was, tulane). Now I'm a
:
: >: big man and not scared easily but I know I sure wouldn't want to live
: in
: >: that area. If Master P came from a place like this and is now a
: >: legitimate/legal businessman, all I can give him is love for not
: >: just surviving but winning at the game of life
: Well, there are plenty of legitimate businessmen who come from humble
: beginnings. You should judge an artist solely by his art. More and more in
: hip-hop, the idea of a sucessful black owned label seems to distract
: people from judging the quality of the product these labels release solely
: on their artistic merit. For a perfect example of this, peep the Source
: review of Silkk in the new Source (with Snoop on the cover). More is said
: about Master P's business skills in the review than about the quality of
: Silkk's music! That is outrageous. I respect business acumen as well, but
: (in magazines aimed at the consumer) record labels, like any other
: business, should be judged by the quality of their products, in this case
: the quality of their music. Giving an artist a good record review because
: his label owner is a good businessman defies common sense. (PS: Silkk
: recieved two and a half mics, although the review itself was fairly
: positive, though vague on specifics)
:
: just a thought,
:
: alan
:
I never pay attention to what critics say cause they may have different
taste than I do. NO ONE by GOD have the master opinion.
apage...@aol.com
apage...@aol.com
In article <5673vn$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>I never pay attention to what critics say cause they may have different
>taste than I do. NO ONE by GOD have the master opinion.
God doesn't review records.
But I see what you're trying to say.
alan
Moneim Eltohami
apage...@aol.com wrote:
>In article <5673vn$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
>Newton IV) writes:
>>I never pay attention to what critics say cause they may have different
>>taste than I do. NO ONE by GOD have the master opinion.
>God doesn't review records.
How do you know? :-)
moneim
Ike A Newton IV
: But I see what you're trying to say.
:
: alan
What I'm meaning, no matter what one critic says, it still will sell.
cort...@aol.com
I'm from NOLA too! I live in Sac, CA these days. Everyone told me that
life is
so hectic over on the wessyde and that that's why so many of the rappers
from the west are "gangsta" rappers. Compared to where I come from
however, the so-
called hoods here ain't SHIT! Infact, I think a lot of the 'gangstas'
here have never
really lived the type of lifestyle that they want everyone to believe ever
existed.
Which brings me to my next point: All these fools who are always chanting
those
two phrases--'REPRESENT' & 'KEEP IT REAL'! Represent what?!! Wack-ass
guys who want to try to impress people by making them think that they've
had such a rough life when they really haven't?
All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know much
about ghetto
life," a person can be just as cool and enjoy rap music as much as the
next person without trying to front like they've been there, ya
knowumsayin'?
I'm out, ya'll...peace!
Ike A Newton IV
cort...@aol.com wrote:
: I'm from NOLA too! I live in Sac, CA these days. Everyone told me that
You from Sacramento? What about Brotha Lynch Hung, X-Raided, Mr. Doctor,
Locc 2 Da Brain, etc.? Black Market Records. All of them are crips.
usuals...@earthlink.net
cort...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm from NOLA too! I live in Sac, CA these days. Everyone told me that
> life is
> so hectic over on the wessyde and that that's why so many of the rappers
> from the west are "gangsta" rappers. Compared to where I come from
> however, the so-
> called hoods here ain't SHIT! Infact, I think a lot of the 'gangstas'
> here have never
> really lived the type of lifestyle that they want everyone to believe ever
> existed.
> Which brings me to my next point: All these fools who are always chanting
> those
> two phrases--'REPRESENT' & 'KEEP IT REAL'! Represent what?!! Wack-ass
> guys who want to try to impress people by making them think that they've
> had such a rough life when they really haven't?
> All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know much
> about ghetto
> life," a person can be just as cool and enjoy rap music as much as the
> next person without trying to front like they've been there, ya
> knowumsayin'?
>
> I'm out, ya'll...peace!
Sacramento? You must live way out in the boonies.
OverTime
In article <19961125084...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
cort...@aol.com wrote:
> I'm from NOLA too! I live in Sac, CA these days. Everyone told me that
> life is
> so hectic over on the wessyde and that that's why so many of the rappers
> from the west are "gangsta" rappers. Compared to where I come from
> however, the so-
> called hoods here ain't SHIT!
I aint neva been to Sac-town, but i experienced the same thang when i
went to Los Angeles. There are some hard-core gangbangers out there, but
its more like 85% of them claim the set while 10% of them do the REAL
dirt. That's why theres so many killings, because all the people down to
do the dirt know who each other are. (They are the 10%)
I have also been to NOLA and many otha places in the South. (i'm from
Acres Homes, Houston) You right bout this too. NOLA is pretty hectic!
people think Master P is some fake-ass nigga. He's as real as it getz,
that's why he's popular. Most rappers nowadays are fake. But why brag of
who's hood is the most fucked up??? Let's figure out a way to get
everybody bragging on who's hood is the best, the safest, whatevea.
Infact, I think a lot of the 'gangstas'
> here have never
> really lived the type of lifestyle that they want everyone to believe ever
> existed.
That's true too. Too many mufuckas always talkin bout 'i'll shoot you,
or i'll do the dirt. Comin from experience, when i was young and on them
streets, that shit was not cool. The stress level on your life is bad as
hell. You always lookin over your shoulder, paranoid, and dont have any
real friends cause there is no honor amongst thieves. That's why people
always wind up locked down. Which i have also done, which aint a good
experience either. That have you in a cage like an animal, and most
people get their wills broken and become institutionalized, where even if
they get out, they'll be back, and the pigs know this and count on it.
Modern-day slave trade. The prison industry is big bizness, they just
built two mo BIG Texas Detention Centers outside of Port Arthur. I'll
tell you now, I AINT NEVA GOIN BACK!!!
> Which brings me to my next point: All these fools who are always chanting
> those
> two phrases--'REPRESENT' & 'KEEP IT REAL'! Represent what?!! Wack-ass
> guys who want to try to impress people by making them think that they've
> had such a rough life when they really haven't?
I have said this a bunch of times on this NG too, but you know how these
'headz' get. If you were living your day to day life you caint help but
be real. Rap music isnt some way of life, its just music. I like it
alot but it is still just music. People who scream keep it real are the
same mufuckaz who arent from the eastcoast but say, 'yo god, yo kid, word
life, etc' and walk around with nappy afros, wu-wear, and one-pants leg
rolled up on their camoflage pants. If they had neva seen a music video,
they would neva dress like this. Which to me is fake than a mufucka. i'll
tell you want i tell people like this: "You want to keep it real, get a
haircut and a job, mufucka!!" Thats reality.
Thats how rap started anyway before it was big bizness. People used to
jam in the parks, but they WENT ON WITH THEIR LIVES the next day. They
went to work, feed their kids, KEPT IT REAL.
And as fo all the glitter & the gleam, where i'm from you GOTTA BE REAL
to KEEP IT. Aint no punks bendin cornas on 84's & vogues in my
neighborhood. They would get got.
> All I'm saying is there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know much
> about ghetto
> life," a person can be just as cool and enjoy rap music as much as the
> next person without trying to front like they've been there, ya
> knowumsayin'?
This is true too. TV, the movies, and magazines would have you believe
that all Blackfolk are broke and crooks. Maine, we wasnt broke, we was
far from rich though. Just cause you poor or from a bad neighborhaood
doesnt make you hard. The gangsta mentality is something created on the
streets. Its because alot of young Black people are disenfranchised and
feel they caint get ahead, and they want the big lick. You can work 3
McDonald's jobs and you still will neva have nothin. A lot of people feel
that improvin their socio-economic postion is worth risking their lives
foe. And a lot of them site all the otha people in AmeriKKKa who got ahead
by doin dirt. (Italians, Kennedys, etc.) I dont really know the answer to
this one.
I personally think it IS, but you just have to be smart about it... There
is so much money in America, everybody could be rich. 5% of the people in
the US control 95% of the wealth of THE RICHEST NATION IN THE WORLD!! But
you only get one life to live thats all they give us to do it. One slug
and you end up cold, get snared and with the new crime legislation you
end up locked down forever. Why do dirt fo the next man? You take all the
risks and receive the least profit.......
>
> I'm out, ya'll...peace!
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Some abstract rap helps the music to grow and can take hip-hop into the
realm of an art form. Reality rap is MOSTLY bullshit that is out for the
sole purpose of profit. But of course, this is the opinion of someone
who can't relate to the lifestyle discussed in popular reality rap.
apage...@aol.com
i just wanted to say, someone was ridiculing abstract rap and saying that
"they had never seen a rhyme blow up a mic before" and how unrealistic
that was. i'd just like to say that one of reality rap's most famous
orators Tupac Shakur had a line similar to this effect (on track 6 of the
Makavli album) saying how his lines "blow the track up". Does this mean
that Pac wasn't "keeping it real"?? Hell, no. It means that rap is poetry
and part of poetry is symbolic imagery. Of course his lyrics don't
literally cause the music to explode, to even take this literally would be
ridiculous. It's merely a figure of speech, meant to be taken
symbolically.
This brongs to my next point. a lo of "reality rappers" are actually
"abstract" and a lot of so-called "abstract rappers" deal mostly with
reality. Examples? Scarface did a song called "I'm Dead". That song
involved Scarface getting killed and walking around, not knowing he was
dead until the end of the song. This is a perfect example of abstract
lyricism, yet most people (including himself) would consider Scarface a
"reality rapper". When Common, often considered "abstract" by Cube
poponents, says "my grandma used to say 'act your age, not color'/not
knowing that my color was that of the original", this is a very poignant
statement, taken straight from his life. Closing his album with words from
his father is another example of Common being a reality rapper. What could
be realer? Everyone has a mother and a father. Most "reality rappers"
never even mention their parents in their music. Common put his father on
his album.
In any case, I think the divisions are more often blurred than not, and
the distinction between "abstract" and "reality" rap can scarcely be
drawn.
alan
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: i just wanted to say, someone was ridiculing abstract rap and saying that
Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was out
of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
happen to people that die. No one knows.
:
: In any case, I think the divisions are more often blurred than not, and
: the distinction between "abstract" and "reality" rap can scarcely be
: drawn.
:
: alan
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apage...@aol.com
In article <58ajug$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was
out
>of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
>3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
>happen to people that die. No one knows.
Huh???????? What dead person have you seen walking around? That's what
couldn't happen in that song. That song is straight abstract, homie.
when you see a dead person walking, e-mail me. or see a doctor...
point #2 (in response to a totally separate post by you)
we were talking about bangers who slang, who are almost always clockers.
you come talking about niggas moving weight. those are the ballers, the
high rollers. not the bangers. big difference. the bangers are street
level, the ballers/high-rollers are mid-level. they supply the bangers.
i'm from new orleans. the majority of people here (like everywhere else)
are clockers. they do NOT move weight. people in college moving weight?
there *may* be a few. an exception FAR from the rule. i know of no one who
is supplying street dealers and going to school at the same time (and if
they are, it is very likely that they won't graduate. you can't make that
big money and go through the petty sh*t it takes to graduate from school.
the ego gets too big in most cases and distractions pile up. besides, with
that big money coming in, a degree doesn't have the same prestige. people
who move weight make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, why would
they care about a degree?).
usually student dealers are on the same level as street dealers, except
they serve to students. they serve part-time and usually know their
clientelle personally. (street dealers are not very likely to be friends
with junkies).
this comes from my understanding of schools in the dc area (which includes
a substantial number of white student dealers, I might add, whom i don't
believe you are taking into account).
perhaps your area's a little different. knoxville, huh?
disclaimer: this thread has wandered away from the theme of "abstract vs.
reality rap"; could we continue the "hustlers in college" thread via
e-mail?
alan
Ed "The Mack"
Both abstract and reality are the same. They just are from two different
reality points. New York and Texas
Peace
Ed
Check out "Thought Process" by Goodie Mob.
Ike A Newton IV
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58ajug$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: >Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was
: out
: >of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
: >3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
: >happen to people that die. No one knows.
:
: Huh???????? What dead person have you seen walking around? That's what
: couldn't happen in that song. That song is straight abstract, homie.
:
: when you see a dead person walking, e-mail me. or see a doctor...
I guess you only have a 3rd grade education or something. I said "That may
happen to peoplethat die. No one knows." Meaning the rap wasn't abstract,
it was a theory. Like if a rapper talked about Aliens or some shit. You
don't know if there are any. It's a theory.....something that may be true
but hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
: point #2 (in response to a totally separate post by you)
:
: we were talking about bangers who slang, who are almost always clockers.
: you come talking about niggas moving weight. those are the ballers, the
: high rollers. not the bangers. big difference. the bangers are street
: level, the ballers/high-rollers are mid-level. they supply the bangers.
: i'm from new orleans. the majority of people here (like everywhere else)
: are clockers. they do NOT move weight. people in college moving weight?
: there *may* be a few. an exception FAR from the rule. i know of no one who
: is supplying street dealers and going to school at the same time (and if
: they are, it is very likely that they won't graduate. you can't make that
: big money and go through the petty sh*t it takes to graduate from school.
: the ego gets too big in most cases and distractions pile up. besides, with
: that big money coming in, a degree doesn't have the same prestige. people
: who move weight make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, why would
: they care about a degree?).
Hate to tell you, but high rollers have plenty of free time cause people
are selling for them. All they do is sit back and collect. Nothing hard
about that. And I know tons of bangers that I grew up with that attends
junior college. Reason they are in school is so they can take the money
they saved and move on to bigger better thangs. No one in their right
minds wants to slang & bang all their lives as a career. They just slang
and bang to get ahead. I grew up with nothing but bangers & slangers. Ones
that ain't or didn't go to college are either dead ro locked up. Ones in
college usually handle their business and keeps their mouths shut.
:
: usually student dealers are on the same level as street dealers, except
: they serve to students. they serve part-time and usually know their
: clientelle personally. (street dealers are not very likely to be friends
: with junkies).
Nah. Those are the ones that usually get busted. Rule #1, always stick to
your loyal customers. If you go to school, just because you take classes
with a person, means you know him.
:
: this comes from my understanding of schools in the dc area (which includes
: a substantial number of white student dealers, I might add, whom i don't
: believe you are taking into account).
I know one white dealer who was large, but got busted and is serving a 28
year sentence.
:
: perhaps your area's a little different. knoxville, huh?
I'm originally from Memphis which is a majority black city. Knoxville also
crazy. 3 people got killed (that I knew) in the last 2 weeks. 2 got
blasted in a club and 1 got blasted in a parking lot during the "First
Friday" at The Radisson (6 times in the face as reported). So, shit is
crazy everywhere.
:
: disclaimer: this thread has wandered away from the theme of "abstract vs.
: reality rap"; could we continue the "hustlers in college" thread via
: e-mail?
Sounds good to me. But the true hustlers in college are the locals who
stay home and slang then drive to school for their 2-4 classes, then go
back home and slang on the streets and not in the dorms.
:
: alan
:
:
Kenneth Chidi Anyadike
>apage...@aol.com wrote:
>: In article <58ajug$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
>: Newton IV) writes:
>:
>: >Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was
>: out
>: >of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
>: >3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
>: >happen to people that die. No one knows.
>:
>: Huh???????? What dead person have you seen walking around? That's what
>: couldn't happen in that song. That song is straight abstract, homie.
>:
>: when you see a dead person walking, e-mail me. or see a doctor...
>I guess you only have a 3rd grade education or something. I said "That may
>happen to peoplethat die. No one knows." Meaning the rap wasn't abstract,
>it was a theory. Like if a rapper talked about Aliens or some shit. You
>don't know if there are any. It's a theory.....something that may be true
>but hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
I guess you must be 16 years old because you can't debate a point
without insulting your adversary. An afterlife can definitely be
classified as an abstract concept. Are you suggesting that an immortal
essence >that looks just like you< will separate from your body and take
a stroll through the neighborhood after you die? You call that realistic?
Where can I find some of that shit you be smokin'?
Ken
--
_____/\_____
////// \\\\\\ It's amazing how much trouble
/_/_/_ _\_\_\ could be avoided if people would UMAnyad0@
/____\ just think for themselves. CC.UManitoba.CA
Ike A Newton IV
Kenneth Chidi Anyadike (uman...@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: In <58irtl$b...@gaia.ns.utk.edu> str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A Newton IV) writes:
:
: >: In article <58ajug$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: >: Newton IV) writes:
: >:
: >: >Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was
: >: out
: >: >of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
: >: >3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
: >: >happen to people that die. No one knows.
: >:
: >: Huh???????? What dead person have you seen walking around? That's what
: >: couldn't happen in that song. That song is straight abstract, homie.
: >:
: >: when you see a dead person walking, e-mail me. or see a doctor...
:
: >I guess you only have a 3rd grade education or something. I said "That may
: >happen to peoplethat die. No one knows." Meaning the rap wasn't abstract,
: >it was a theory. Like if a rapper talked about Aliens or some shit. You
: >don't know if there are any. It's a theory.....something that may be true
: >but hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
:
: classified as an abstract concept. Are you suggesting that an immortal
: essence >that looks just like you< will separate from your body and take
: a stroll through the neighborhood after you die? You call that realistic?
: Where can I find some of that shit you be smokin'?
:
: Ken
: --
: _____/\_____
: ////// \\\\\\ It's amazing how much trouble
: /_/_/_ _\_\_\ could be avoided if people would UMAnyad0@
: /____\ just think for themselves. CC.UManitoba.CA
There maybe an afterlife. You never know. Smoke yourself and find out ;)
Another example. If you see a person on dope talking to something that
isn't there, how do you know that he doesn't see what he is talking to.
All you may do is believe medical research bullshit that will be over
turned ever 5-7 years. But you would never know unless you're in their
shoes. For instance, do you believe in ghost? I bet you say ghost don't
exist and that that's abstract also. But why was their a real ghost caught
on film during the taping of "Three Men & a Baby". I heard about it,
bought the tape, did a slow motion play and that shocked the shit out of
me. As a matter of fact, strange things happen at my house. Seems that the
lady that owns the house didn't tell us everything. Our doorbell rings
sometimes when no one is at the door. Footsteps walking down the hallway
and the basement door opens and close, but everyone in the house is sleep.
Shit that happens or may happens that can't be proven isn't abstract. It's
theoretic. Abstract is shit that just DON'T & CAN'T HAPPEN. For example.
How in the fuck can a rapper's words set the mic on fire? How can he rap
on the mic "killing sucka emcees"? What is he going to do, take the mic
chord and wrap it around their neck and strangle them? That's abstract!
Ike A Newton IV
:
: >: In article <58ajug$h...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: >: Newton IV) writes:
: >:
: >: >Scarface just put hisself in that situation. Nothing but that part was
: >: out
: >: >of the ordinary. If you were to take Scarface out of that and put him in
: >: >3rd person, what in that song couldn't happen. You never know. They may
: >: >happen to people that die. No one knows.
: >:
: >: Huh???????? What dead person have you seen walking around? That's what
: >: couldn't happen in that song. That song is straight abstract, homie.
: >:
: >: when you see a dead person walking, e-mail me. or see a doctor...
:
: >I guess you only have a 3rd grade education or something. I said "That may
: >happen to peoplethat die. No one knows." Meaning the rap wasn't abstract,
: >it was a theory. Like if a rapper talked about Aliens or some shit. You
: >don't know if there are any. It's a theory.....something that may be true
: >but hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt.
:
: without insulting your adversary. An afterlife can definitely be
: classified as an abstract concept. Are you suggesting that an immortal
: essence >that looks just like you< will separate from your body and take
: a stroll through the neighborhood after you die? You call that realistic?
: Where can I find some of that shit you be smokin'?
:
: Ken
: --
: _____/\_____
: ////// \\\\\\ It's amazing how much trouble
: /_/_/_ _\_\_\ could be avoided if people would UMAnyad0@
: /____\ just think for themselves. CC.UManitoba.CA
It probably happens. Better yet, why don't you smoke yourself and find
out. That's the only way you will find out.
apage...@aol.com
In article <58p5mn$p...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
> Abstract is shit that just DON'T & CAN'T HAPPEN. For example.
>How in the fuck can a rapper's words set the mic on fire? How can he rap
>on the mic "killing sucka emcees"? What is he going to do, take the mic
>chord and wrap it around their neck and strangle them? That's abstract!
and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how could
he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti, too.
how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
i'll follow your definition and destroy your logic. scarface raps about
being dead. there is no way he could have experienced this, because he is
obviously alive (or he couldn't have recorded the song). that is why "i'm
dead" is an abstract song, according to YOUR definition. how many dead
rappers can you name that put out three albums filled with new material
after they died? According to you (and him, in interviews), Scarface is a
"reality rapper", so everything he says is "reality". So, "I'm Dead",
rapped in first person, must be autobiographical if it is to be called
"reality". Yeah, right.
ps: apparently in an earlier post you said something about me having "a
third grade education". that's the stupidest thing you could have said,
since I have already told everyone on this newsgroup (through my postings)
that I attend Howard University. Maybe your school admits students with
third grade educations, but my school doesn't.
consider yourself served...
alan
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58p5mn$p...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: > Abstract is shit that just DON'T & CAN'T HAPPEN. For example.
: >How in the fuck can a rapper's words set the mic on fire? How can he rap
: >on the mic "killing sucka emcees"? What is he going to do, take the mic
: >chord and wrap it around their neck and strangle them? That's abstract!
: and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
: track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how could
: he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti, too.
: how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
: i'll follow your definition and destroy your logic. scarface raps about
: being dead. there is no way he could have experienced this, because he is
: obviously alive (or he couldn't have recorded the song). that is why "i'm
: dead" is an abstract song, according to YOUR definition. how many dead
: rappers can you name that put out three albums filled with new material
: after they died? According to you (and him, in interviews), Scarface is a
: "reality rapper", so everything he says is "reality". So, "I'm Dead",
: rapped in first person, must be autobiographical if it is to be called
: "reality". Yeah, right.
:
: ps: apparently in an earlier post you said something about me having "a
: third grade education". that's the stupidest thing you could have said,
: since I have already told everyone on this newsgroup (through my postings)
: that I attend Howard University. Maybe your school admits students with
: third grade educations, but my school doesn't.
:
: consider yourself served...
:
: alan
Woop T do. Howard ain't too hard to get in. They flooded me with all those
interest letters, booklets, and acceptence (ACT scores). What's your
point?
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58p5mn$p...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: > Abstract is shit that just DON'T & CAN'T HAPPEN. For example.
: >How in the fuck can a rapper's words set the mic on fire? How can he rap
: >on the mic "killing sucka emcees"? What is he going to do, take the mic
: >chord and wrap it around their neck and strangle them? That's abstract!
: and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
: track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how could
: he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti, too.
: how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
: i'll follow your definition and destroy your logic. scarface raps about
: being dead. there is no way he could have experienced this, because he is
: obviously alive (or he couldn't have recorded the song). that is why "i'm
: dead" is an abstract song, according to YOUR definition. how many dead
: rappers can you name that put out three albums filled with new material
: after they died? According to you (and him, in interviews), Scarface is a
: "reality rapper", so everything he says is "reality". So, "I'm Dead",
: rapped in first person, must be autobiographical if it is to be called
: "reality". Yeah, right.
:
: ps: apparently in an earlier post you said something about me having "a
: third grade education". that's the stupidest thing you could have said,
: since I have already told everyone on this newsgroup (through my postings)
: that I attend Howard University. Maybe your school admits students with
: third grade educations, but my school doesn't.
:
: consider yourself served...
:
: alan
No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
No "emcee's" lyrics can cause a microphone to break out in flames. That's
a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or false.
So, repeat class...... THEORIES are guesses. They can't be proven true or
false. ABSTRACT can be. Please repeat and rememberize for a pop quiz.
Mike Burke
> No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
> about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
> No "emcee's" lyrics can cause a microphone to break out in flames. That's
> a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
> afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or
false.
> So, repeat class...... THEORIES are guesses. They can't be proven true or
> false. ABSTRACT can be. Please repeat and rememberize for a pop quiz.
>
You better grab some smelling-salts, 'cause I'm about to burst your
bubble. This whole thread is based on arguing about what the word
"abstract" means. It just blows my mind that so many intelligent people
can sustain an argument based on a word's definition, without ANYONE
thinking about bothering to actually look it up. Well, this thread is
going in circles and I'm tired of looking at it, so I looked up the word
"abstract". Take notes:
abstract: 1. thought of apart from material objects.
2. expressing a quality so thought of.
3. theoretical
Ike, did you pay attention to that? Take a good, hard look at definition
#3. Oh, look, it says theoretical. So that means a theory is abstract.
Can you say, "A theory IS abstract."? So, any way you argue it, Scarface
was an abstract rapper when he made that song. Plus, if you look at the
definition again you would see that what you call "abstract rappers" are
really just "metaphor", "braggadocious", or "nonsensical" rappers. Here's
why: you may not be aware of this, but a microphone is a material object
(see definition #1 if confused). Thusly, if you set a mic on fire, you are
performing an action on a material object. That's not abstract. Even if
you set it on fire with your lyrics it's not abstract, it's just
impossible.
So, Ike, what did you learn from all this? One important lesson I hope
you learned is that you shouldn't argue a point when you don't know what
you're talking about. Even more important than that, I hope you learned to
never, ever argue a point you're wrong about in a smart-ass, condescending,
smarter-than-thou tone; because then someone like me who actually is
smarter than you will have to reply and tear your misguided reckoning to
shreds.
I hope you learned a lot from this little session.
--
"And if Clinton is the answer,
it was a stupid question."
Ras Kass
Mike Burke
apage...@aol.com
In article <58tchn$j...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>: and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
>: track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how
could
>: he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti,
too.
>: how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
[snip, snip]
>
>No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
>about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
>No "emcee's" lyrics can cause a microphone to break out in flames.
Can you read? If so, explain the above Makaveli lyrics where Tupac says
his lyrics can "explode the track to confetti". According to YOUR
definition, this line is ABSTRACT. How can Tupac's lyrics explode the
track to confetti? Please try to explain that. If not, call Tupac an
abstract rapper and watch your argument fall apart.
>That's
>a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
>afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or
false.
What can be proven true is no rappers have returned with NEW albums
recorded AFTER they died. If "I'm Dead" was reality, that means Scarface
died at the end of his first album. How did he record three more albums
and appear on the cover of the Source two years or so later? Better yet,
how did that Geto Boys reunion album get done if Scarface is dead?
NEWSFLASH: "I'm Dead" was recorded in first person. This means Scarface
was saying that he was dead. If he was dead, he couldn't say it and he
sure as hell couldn't record it. Proof? Have you heard that new Jimi
Hendrix album? No? That's because he's dead. "I'm Dead" is not reality
rap, because it does not reflect real life. In real life, Scarface is not
dead.
>So, repeat class...... THEORIES are guesses. They can't be proven true or
>false.
Theories can be proven true. Once they are, they become scientific laws. I
learned this in eigth grade.
>ABSTRACT can be.
Abstract thought can be proven "true or false"? Okay. God is infinite.
That's an abstract concept, because God cannot be seen or touched (and
before you say that some people claim to have seen God, remember that
"some people" claim to blow up mics with their rhymes...and you don't
believe them...) So, can the infinite nature of God be proven "true or
false" to a non-believer? Provide your definitive proof to your local
atheist.
> Please repeat and rememberize for a pop quiz.
"rememberize"? If you use words like that, you'll never pass the pop quiz.
no further apologies (there are none in war, and the war is on now)
bring it on...
alan
apage...@aol.com
In article <58tcmf$j...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
> apparently in an earlier post you said something about me having "a
>: third grade education". that's the stupidest thing you could have said,
>: since I have already told everyone on this newsgroup (through my
postings)
>: that I attend Howard University. Maybe your school admits students with
>: third grade educations, but my school doesn't.
>:
>: consider yourself served...
>:
>: alan
>
>Woop T do. Howard ain't too hard to get in. They flooded me with all
those
>interest letters, booklets, and acceptence (ACT scores). What's your
>point?
Were you able to get admitted with your elementary school diploma? My
point was, obviously I don't have a third grade education because people
with third grade educations don't get admitted to Howard or any other
college I know. Hence the rhetorical question at the beginning of this
post.
alan
Ike A Newton IV
Mike Burke (Hom...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: > No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
: > about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
: > a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
: > afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or
: false.
: > false. ABSTRACT can be. Please repeat and rememberize for a pop quiz.
: >
:
: You better grab some smelling-salts, 'cause I'm about to burst your
Oh, so I guess they do fantasy instead of abstract then. Ain't no way in
the world can a man's rap lyrics set a mic on fire. Now that's a damn
fact. Nothing theoretic about that. If you ever see that, video tape it
and send me a copy. Or some shit like "Lyrics making emcee's run and take
cover". Ohhhh. Unless he has some helified dragon breath, I don't see that
happening.
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58tchn$j...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: >: and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
: >: track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how
: could
: >: he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti,
: too.
: >: how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
: [snip, snip]
: >No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
: >about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
: >No "emcee's" lyrics can cause a microphone to break out in flames.
: Can you read? If so, explain the above Makaveli lyrics where Tupac says
: his lyrics can "explode the track to confetti". According to YOUR
: definition, this line is ABSTRACT. How can Tupac's lyrics explode the
: track to confetti? Please try to explain that. If not, call Tupac an
: abstract rapper and watch your argument fall apart.
2Pac used an abstract line, but his thug life turned out to be real. Look
what happened to him. What he rapped about was real.
:
: >That's
: >a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
: >afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or
: false.
:
: What can be proven true is no rappers have returned with NEW albums
: recorded AFTER they died. If "I'm Dead" was reality, that means Scarface
: died at the end of his first album. How did he record three more albums
: and appear on the cover of the Source two years or so later? Better yet,
: how did that Geto Boys reunion album get done if Scarface is dead?
: NEWSFLASH: "I'm Dead" was recorded in first person. This means Scarface
: was saying that he was dead. If he was dead, he couldn't say it and he
: sure as hell couldn't record it. Proof? Have you heard that new Jimi
: Hendrix album? No? That's because he's dead. "I'm Dead" is not reality
: rap, because it does not reflect real life. In real life, Scarface is not
: dead.
As I said before, HE PUT HIS SELF IN THAT SITUATION. I probably would have
did an autobiography in a rap about one of my boys, putting myself in his
situation.
:
: >So, repeat class...... THEORIES are guesses. They can't be proven true or
: >false.
:
: Theories can be proven true. Once they are, they become scientific laws. I
: learned this in eigth grade.
:
: >ABSTRACT can be.
:
: Abstract thought can be proven "true or false"? Okay. God is infinite.
: That's an abstract concept, because God cannot be seen or touched (and
: before you say that some people claim to have seen God, remember that
: "some people" claim to blow up mics with their rhymes...and you don't
: believe them...) So, can the infinite nature of God be proven "true or
: false" to a non-believer? Provide your definitive proof to your local
: atheist.
You show me 1 emcee or rapper that can set a microphone on fire with his
lyrics. I would put money on it that no emcee can. That can be proving.
Infinite nature of God can't be proven true or false to an atheist. They
just believe what they want to believe, but if you open up a Bible, you
can point out things that are going on in Revelations that is happening
now when that Book is ancient. But it explains today. So, to an atheist it
can't be proven true or false. But you can prove to ANYONE that an emcee's
lyrics can't set a mic on fire with his lyrics.
:
: > Please repeat and rememberize for a pop quiz.
:
: "rememberize"? If you use words like that, you'll never pass the pop quiz.
:
: no further apologies (there are none in war, and the war is on now)
:
: bring it on...
:
: alan
--
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58tchn$j...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: >: and i gave you an example of tupac saying that his lyrics "explode the
: >: track to confetti" (Makaveli album, "Life of an Outlaw"). now, how
: could
: >: he lyrics literally blow up a track, genius? and turn it to confetti,
: too.
: >: how realistic is that? does this mean that tupac is an abstract rapper?
: [snip, snip]
: >
: >No, Scarface is expressing a theory. Can you say THEORY? Someone rapping
: >about a theory and someone using nonsense metaphors is totally different.
: >No "emcee's" lyrics can cause a microphone to break out in flames.
:
: Can you read? If so, explain the above Makaveli lyrics where Tupac says
: his lyrics can "explode the track to confetti". According to YOUR
: definition, this line is ABSTRACT. How can Tupac's lyrics explode the
: track to confetti? Please try to explain that. If not, call Tupac an
: abstract rapper and watch your argument fall apart.
: >That's
: >a fact. Nothing theoretic about that. That can be proving. But the
: >afterlife may or may not be like that. That can't be proven true or
: false.
:
: What can be proven true is no rappers have returned with NEW albums
: recorded AFTER they died. If "I'm Dead" was reality, that means Scarface
: died at the end of his first album. How did he record three more albums
: and appear on the cover of the Source two years or so later? Better yet,
: how did that Geto Boys reunion album get done if Scarface is dead?
: NEWSFLASH: "I'm Dead" was recorded in first person. This means Scarface
: was saying that he was dead. If he was dead, he couldn't say it and he
: sure as hell couldn't record it. Proof? Have you heard that new Jimi
: Hendrix album? No? That's because he's dead. "I'm Dead" is not reality
: rap, because it does not reflect real life. In real life, Scarface is not
: dead.
: >So, repeat class...... THEORIES are guesses. They can't be proven true or
: >false.
:
: Theories can be proven true. Once they are, they become scientific laws. I
: learned this in eigth grade.
Well, why are those theories over turned? That means they believe, but it
was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
they found that they were 2 other species. Theories are just educated
guesses which means scientist don't know their damn serves. They are just
guessing. So, I think your eight grade teacher needs more schooling
hisself.
:
: >ABSTRACT can be.
:
: Abstract thought can be proven "true or false"? Okay. God is infinite.
: That's an abstract concept, because God cannot be seen or touched (and
: before you say that some people claim to have seen God, remember that
: "some people" claim to blow up mics with their rhymes...and you don't
: believe them...) So, can the infinite nature of God be proven "true or
: false" to a non-believer? Provide your definitive proof to your local
: atheist.
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <58tcmf$j...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: > apparently in an earlier post you said something about me having "a
You talking like Howard is some sort of Georgia Tech (even though, Howard
is a hype school). It ain't hard to get accepted.
Moneim Eltohami
go over to alt.folklore.urban, post that "3 men and a baby" story
and you'll be flamed to death. it's common knowledge by now
that it's *not* the ghost of someone but just a cardboard figure.
go to a.u.l., ask for the faq and find out the details for
yourself.
moneim
apage...@aol.com
In article <591pbh$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>: Theories can be proven true. Once they are, they become scientific
laws. I
>: learned this in eigth grade.
>
>Well, why are those theories over turned? That means they believe, but it
>was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
>fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
>only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
>they found that they were 2 other species.
WAIT. You are NOT reading a damn thing I'm writing. Read all of the above
again before I summarize.
1) Theories become scientific LAWS when they are PROVEN.
2) You say that theories about one species (sic) of human were proven
wrong by the discovery of two new species. Guess what, Ike? You're talking
about theories; if you read point #1, you will see that I clearly said
theories become scientific laws ONCE PROVEN. Just because someone
disproves one theory doesn't discredit the whole notion of scientific
research. To think so is ridiculous. Just so you understand the concept of
SCIENTIFIC LAW, think of the law of gravity. The law of gravity will not
be disproven. If you can disprove it though, please float over to DC and
tell me all about it, since gravity will no longer bing you to the Earth's
surface, I'm sure you'll have a pleasant flight.
Since one-half of the people in this argument between me and you is not
listening, I am going to go about my business. I never try to teach a man
who doesn't want to learn, nor talk to one who doesn't want to listen.
alan
apage...@aol.com
In article <591ovs$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>As I said before, HE PUT HIS SELF IN THAT SITUATION. I probably would
have
>did an autobiography in a rap about one of my boys, putting myself in his
>situation.
What? You can't do an "autobiography" about someone else. It's called a
"biography". If you do a song about your friend and you replace him with
you, what you're doing is calling lying. Imagine if I "replaced" myself
with my dad when I made introductions and told everyone I met that I was a
lawyer. I would be lying. Same principle.
alan
apage...@aol.com
In article <591pg3$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>: Were you able to get admitted with your elementary school diploma? My
>: point was, obviously I don't have a third grade education because
people
>: with third grade educations don't get admitted to Howard or any other
>: college I know. Hence the rhetorical question at the beginning of this
>: post.
>:
>: alan
>
>You talking like Howard is some sort of Georgia Tech (even though, Howard
>is a hype school). It ain't hard to get accepted.
This is the second time that youo had trouble comprehending my posts. Read
it again, but look up the word "rhetorical" first.
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <591pg3$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Reading your sh!t once is enough. iI bet you the type to believe EVERY you
read.
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <591pbh$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: laws. I
: >: learned this in eigth grade.
: >
: >Well, why are those theories over turned? That means they believe, but it
: >was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
: >fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
: >only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
: >they found that they were 2 other species.
: WAIT. You are NOT reading a damn thing I'm writing. Read all of the above
: again before I summarize.
:
: 1) Theories become scientific LAWS when they are PROVEN.
Like I said before. When they say proven, they mean only logically answer
that they know of. But say 10-20 years later, they find that it is wrong.
Then that shit is over turned. That type thing happens all the time.
:
: 2) You say that theories about one species (sic) of human were proven
: wrong by the discovery of two new species. Guess what, Ike? You're talking
: about theories; if you read point #1, you will see that I clearly said
: theories become scientific laws ONCE PROVEN. Just because someone
: disproves one theory doesn't discredit the whole notion of scientific
: research. To think so is ridiculous. Just so you understand the concept of
: SCIENTIFIC LAW, think of the law of gravity. The law of gravity will not
: be disproven. If you can disprove it though, please float over to DC and
: tell me all about it, since gravity will no longer bing you to the Earth's
: surface, I'm sure you'll have a pleasant flight.
:
: Since one-half of the people in this argument between me and you is not
: listening, I am going to go about my business. I never try to teach a man
: who doesn't want to learn, nor talk to one who doesn't want to listen.
:
: alan
I bet you are 100% book sense and no common sense.
Mike Burke
Ike A Newton IV <str...@news.utk.edu> wrote in article
<591o8l$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>...
> Oh, so I guess they do fantasy instead of abstract then. Ain't no way in
> the world can a man's rap lyrics set a mic on fire. Now that's a damn
> fact. Nothing theoretic about that. If you ever see that, video tape it
> and send me a copy. Or some shit like "Lyrics making emcee's run and take
> cover". Ohhhh. Unless he has some helified dragon breath, I don't see
that
> happening.
>
Are you retarded? Why do you care so much? No shit a rapper can't set a
mic on fire with his lyrics! Do you think we're all delusional and don't
know this? Do you think you're letting us all in on some great revelation
you recieved from God? Are you his prophet sent to earth to spread the
word that rappers can't set a mic on fire with their words? You've written
enough on this topic to give yourself carpal-tunnel syndrome, plus you're
usually wrong! O.K., you win. We all believe you. An MC can't set a mic
on fire with his raps. We get it. Now move on with the rest of your life.
Don't you have some laundry to do or something?
And by the way, the questions contained within this post were rhetorical.
That means you're not supposed to answer them. I feel that I must tell you
this because I can just picture you sitting in your unkempt little hovel
reading this post and answering them outloud to yourself:
"Yes. I have no life. No. Yes. Yes. I don't know how!"
Ike A Newton IV
apage...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <591ovs$3...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
: Newton IV) writes:
:
: >As I said before, HE PUT HIS SELF IN THAT SITUATION. I probably would
: have
: >did an autobiography in a rap about one of my boys, putting myself in his
: >situation.
:
: "biography". If you do a song about your friend and you replace him with
: you, what you're doing is calling lying. Imagine if I "replaced" myself
: with my dad when I made introductions and told everyone I met that I was a
: lawyer. I would be lying. Same principle.
:
: alan
That ain't lying. That's just first person. Walking in his shoes.
ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Ike A Newton IV (str...@news.utk.edu) wrote:
: Well, why are those theories over turned? That means they believe, but it
: was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
: fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
: only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
: they found that they were 2 other species. Theories are just educated
: guesses which means scientist don't know their damn serves. They are just
: guessing. So, I think your eight grade teacher needs more schooling
: hisself.
All I can say is... the first thing that you could call 'human' if you had
a lot of imagination appeared 2 million years ago. The majority of
dinosaurs- I say majority because there are plenty of theories about
dinosuar living in lakes (i.e. Loch Ness Monster), so I'm gonna leave
this wide open to prevent too much argument, DIED 65 million years ago. I
believe there were dinosaurs around for more than the past 250 million
years, and I imagine that it's more than that. Do you think that "The
Flinstones" was based on an actual history.
Don't think that I was trying to flame you in this message, I was just
trying to set you straight on basic world history.
--
"The most beautifullest vocabulist be punching
MC's dead in the esophagus"
Keith Murray
Roman Sokolowski
email: ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Eldiablob4
We are two rappers artist trying to find an independent label.Our group is
called
Ill-Natured . We have two producers helping us get out the demo. We have
connections and have the skills enough to get on a major label,
but we don't won't them controling our image and for other reasons. I am
14 and my partner is 13. We don't come off with any wack bass ish or
anything like that. Even though we are young we rap on a REDMAN or KEITH
MURRAY. So if you have
any e-mail ,phone numbers, or regular mail addresses to Indepedent record
labels or dj's please e -mail me with this info.
Thank you
Bobby Louis II
ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Eldiablob4 (eldia...@aol.com) wrote:
: We are two rappers artist trying to find an independent label.Our group is
If you're a spammer at 14, you're gonna start attacking ISPs at 16...
Please stop posting
Thank you
Roman Sokolowski I
Ike A Newton IV
ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
: Ike A Newton IV (str...@news.utk.edu) wrote:
: : Well, why are those theories over turned? That means they believe, but it
: : was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
: : fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
: : only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
: : they found that they were 2 other species. Theories are just educated
: : guesses which means scientist don't know their damn serves. They are just
: : guessing. So, I think your eight grade teacher needs more schooling
: : hisself.
:
: a lot of imagination appeared 2 million years ago. The majority of
: dinosaurs- I say majority because there are plenty of theories about
: dinosuar living in lakes (i.e. Loch Ness Monster), so I'm gonna leave
: this wide open to prevent too much argument, DIED 65 million years ago. I
: believe there were dinosaurs around for more than the past 250 million
: years, and I imagine that it's more than that. Do you think that "The
: Flinstones" was based on an actual history.
:
: Don't think that I was trying to flame you in this message, I was just
: trying to set you straight on basic world history.
: --
: "The most beautifullest vocabulist be punching
: MC's dead in the esophagus"
: Keith Murray
:
: Roman Sokolowski
: email: ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
:
And the Flintstones was a cartoon.
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Ike A Newton IV
: : was false. For example, they say Dinasaurs was here before people, but
: : fossils footprints has discredit that claim. Then they say that their was
: : only one species of human. Just on the news 3 days ago, they said that
: : they found that they were 2 other species. Theories are just educated
: : guesses which means scientist don't know their damn serves. They are just
: : guessing. So, I think your eight grade teacher needs more schooling
: : hisself.
:
: a lot of imagination appeared 2 million years ago. The majority of
: dinosaurs- I say majority because there are plenty of theories about
: dinosuar living in lakes (i.e. Loch Ness Monster), so I'm gonna leave
: this wide open to prevent too much argument, DIED 65 million years ago. I
: believe there were dinosaurs around for more than the past 250 million
: years, and I imagine that it's more than that. Do you think that "The
: Flinstones" was based on an actual history.
:
: Don't think that I was trying to flame you in this message, I was just
: trying to set you straight on basic world history.
:
: --
: "The most beautifullest vocabulist be punching
: MC's dead in the esophagus"
: Keith Murray
:
: Roman Sokolowski
: email: ice...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
:
:
They added a modern twist to the flintstones ;)
apage...@aol.com
In article <594v0c$1...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>Reading your sh!t once is enough. iI bet you the type to believe EVERY
you
>read.
Actually, the word is everyTHING, but since you don't read, you wouldn't
know this.
apage...@aol.com
In article <594uu2$1...@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, str...@news.utk.edu (Ike A
Newton IV) writes:
>I bet you are 100% book sense and no common sense.
>
>
I bet you are 0% both. You speak nonsense and you fail to understand the
words of others.