Why hip-hop is making a comback in '97
Hypnotek
In this NG their have been many pessimistic (sp?) feelings towards hip-hop. I
have recently started thinking about our state of affairs, and looking at this
time last year. Things aren't as bad as they seem.
1. Despite a couple of dissapointments, Boogiemonsterz, CoFlow, Cage, Meen Green, and Mike Zoot
have all come correct.
2. Two words: Company Flow. Yeah, I know they've been around awhile, but they're starting
to get the props they deserve.
3. A bunch of new Solesides stuff is coming out this summer.
4. I think we all will be suprised with the quality of Wyclef's new album.
These are all I can think of right now, but it seems that hip-hop is slowly emerging
from it's stagnant period. I think it will come back even stronger due to its struggles.
BTW, to stay less pessimistic turn off commercial Hip-Hop radio, it 's crap, and makes us
think all of hip-hop is this bad.
Peace
-Hypnotek
"You're like school on sunday... No Class."
-Redman
Pushermat1
Hip Hop is making a comeback in the 9-7 cuz the SOUTH IS IN THE HOUSE!
Eightball & MJG, UGK, Mad Flava, Master P, Scarface, Big Mike, TELA oh
shit the list goes on....
Check it though, I seriously agree with the statement about commercial
radio. If you start listening to Hot 97, 97.9 The Box, KMEL, whatever,
you're gonna get a real skewed view of what hip hop truly is in the 9-7.
Straight up...
PEACE
pusherman matt stonedalla
Spirit68
Pushermat posted...
"Hip Hop is making a comeback in the 9-7 cuz the SOUTH IS IN THE HOUSE!
Eightball & MJG, UGK, Mad Flava, Master P, Scarface, Big Mike, TELA oh
shit the list goes on...."
Outkast and Goodie MoB should have been on the top of this list.
B. David Harrison
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, kari orr wrote:
> why?
>
Well, for those of us not from the south, I like those two are the most
prominant representatives. Although I belive that most of the above
groups are Texas, not Atlanta and Organized Noise. The more heads learn
about the South, the more we'll see the distinction between those groups.
I think that a lot of folks, me included, are very NYCentric and haven't
really learned how to "listen" to South Coast hip-hop.
David Harrison http://weber.u.washington.edu/~wasup
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kari orr
On 27 Jun 1997 06:52:11 GMT, spir...@aol.com (Spirit68) wrote:
>Pushermat posted...
>
>"Hip Hop is making a comeback in the 9-7 cuz the SOUTH IS IN THE HOUSE!
>Eightball & MJG, UGK, Mad Flava, Master P, Scarface, Big Mike, TELA oh
>shit the list goes on...."
>
>Outkast and Goodie MoB should have been on the top of this list.
why?
k. orr
house of phat beats
hip...@mirac.unm.edu
Eightball & MJG's "Candy" is supa-tight!!! I wonder what NY-centric hip-hop
fans think about it. Makes me want to go cruising again. I need to bump that
jam in my ride....even though it doesn't have candy!
question for mass-transit commuters:
When you traveling from point A to point B do you appreciate the experience?
I love driving and would choose it over mass-transit almost every time. Then
again, not everybody can drive and mass-transit is necessary in the big cities.
But do you mass-transit people LIKE taking the bus or subway, or a cab? Or
would you given the chance have your own ride?
I've done mass-tansit and I don't really like it. You're not in command. You
can't set your own pace (faster or slower) and you have to deal even more
closer with people that can be annoying. The only mass-transit I enjoyed was
taking the streetcar in NOLA from school down to Canal Street. Other than that
I'd rather be driving, pumping my own music as loud as I want, and make my
own.
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kari orr
hip...@mirac.unm.edu wrote:
>
> Eightball & MJG's "Candy" is supa-tight!!! I wonder what NY-centric hip-hop
> fans think about it. Makes me want to go cruising again. I need to bump that
> jam in my ride....even though it doesn't have candy!
>
> question for mass-transit commuters:
> When you traveling from point A to point B do you appreciate the experience?
> I love driving and would choose it over mass-transit almost every time. T
> pce-out,
>
> Andrew Arellano
anyone who has the choice of driving over taking a bus or a train
will choose personal transportation. it's nice to have that
luxury.
peace
k. orr
Jonathan Dean Ripp
hip...@mirac.unm.edu wrote:
: When you traveling from point A to point B do you appreciate the experience?
: I love driving and would choose it over mass-transit almost every time. Then
: again, not everybody can drive and mass-transit is necessary in the big cities.
: But do you mass-transit people LIKE taking the bus or subway, or a cab? Or
: would you given the chance have your own ride?
Depends on the city.
There is no rush hour in the DC area, just stop hour. 15 minute rides
turn into hour long waits. I like listening to my system but it gets
redundant when you are in stop and go traffic; you need the wind whipping
by you. I would rather be listening to my walkman on the metro (DC's
subway system that goes into the suburbs) cuz then I get the "walkman"
experience which better helps me hear lyrics and some background
music I wouldn't hear in my car.
Ripp
Suave
:Eightball & MJG's "Candy" is supa-tight!!! I wonder what NY-centric hip-hop
:fans think about it. Makes me want to go cruising again. I need to bump that
:jam in my ride....even though it doesn't have candy!
I think it's terrible. Personally, I can't listen to much southern shit
because it bugs me. Outkast and Goodie MOB came with some deep thoughts,
provacative production, and tight flows. Pair that along with some fat
ass southern accents and you have something to listen to. But then look
to the other side of the south: Suave House Records, Master P, all that
shit.
First off, Master P and Sick-Wit-It records.
i was never convinced that people's lifestyles, tastes, musical
preferences/roots, varied so widely until I heard that Master P was coming
up out of the south and moving units like hot cakes. I have not felt a
single one of his songs with the exception of "Is there a heaven..." and
that's only because one of my best friends died around the time I first
heard it and I felt like Master P was talking to me in that one. But the
shit that he puts out...man alive!! The names of the people he puts out
are so stupid and stereotypical. It's like the names of groups the
mainstream press would create. I just don't understand...
Suave House:
When I first saw this enormously fat guy breaking a pooltable under
himself with all these naked women, gold chains, dice, and
playa-stereotypes, I was convinced I had seen the seventh sign, the end of
it all. The advertisements these people come up with. Not to mention
when I first heard their music a short while after: garbito. I actually
grooved to the first song I heard by them but then the stereotype sunk
in. They had the same style over and over again and there was nothing to
feel, no substance to the music at all. I can understand that they run
the south and they are the biggest players ever, yadda, yadda, yadda...but
get over yourself and wake up out of the black stereotype. They are doing
nothing for the culture and they seem to think they can make some laid
back beats to put you to sleep and not say shit, except shit.
Why don't I feel the south? It's not because I have a bias towards other
coasts, I love the west and I respect some of the south but sometimes
people get caught up in making music for their block instead of music for
the culture and it ends up coming out like crap. I can see how some
people can't feel New York mc's who just talk their shit about new york.
The flows and beats may be nice for people in new york but hip hop has
expanded past the 5 boroughs. New york has been doing shit like E-ball
and MJG and Master P for years now on their own terms. Maybe the south is
just making up for lost time...
peace
--
after eight years of my life of hip hop and thinking,
the world keeps spinning, so lately I've been drinking...
Niko Suave
AKA37
Wyclef's new album is good. I didn't expect it to be but was surprised,
try it, it's worth the listen. I don't think hip-hop ever "died" it merely
slowed down. I'm a true fan of rap. More new artist are coming out now
than ever, too bad most of them are no good or are one hit wonders. OH
YEAH, YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME THAT FOXY BROWN WRITES HER OWN LYRICS. THEY
SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE NAS!!!
Steve S. Jackson
hip...@mirac.unm.edu wrote:
: question for mass-transit commuters:
: When you traveling from point A to point B do you appreciate the experience?
On mass-transit, not really. Only if I'm on a route I haven't traveled
before.
: I love driving and would choose it over mass-transit almost every time. Then
: again, not everybody can drive and mass-transit is necessary in the big cities.
: But do you mass-transit people LIKE taking the bus or subway, or a cab?
Like it? No. But I'm used to it. I'll be damned if I take a cab.
cab's are mad expensive and you can't really listen to your walkman in a
cab. I think that's the only reason I don't mind public
transportation. I get to listen to my walkman constantly.
: Or would you given the chance have your own ride?
depends on where I'm going. I would never drive in downtown Philly for
the simple fact that there's only parking lots (which are also mad
expensive) and street parking is almost non-existent. But if I'm just
going to a friend's, or to a park, than yeah, I'd drive.
:
: I've done mass-tansit and I don't really like it. You're not in command. You
: can't set your own pace (faster or slower) and you have to deal even more
: closer with people that can be annoying. The only mass-transit I enjoyed was
: taking the streetcar in NOLA from school down to Canal Street. Other than that
: I'd rather be driving, pumping my own music as loud as I want, and make my
: own.
That's the beauty of a walkman. You can pump as loud as you want and
just be in your own world. YOu can bob ya head, clap ya hands,
dowahtchalike, and the most that'll happen is people'll look at you
funny. But it doesn't matter 'cause you got your own thang.
-- "da One & Only"
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Steve S. Jackson (sjac...@thunder.temple.edu) wrote:
: : I love driving and would choose it over mass-transit almost every time. Then
: : again, not everybody can drive and mass-transit is necessary in the big cities.
: : But do you mass-transit people LIKE taking the bus or subway, or a cab?
: Like it? No. But I'm used to it. I'll be damned if I take a cab.
: cab's are mad expensive and you can't really listen to your walkman in a
: cab.
I don't know anybody who isn't MAD rich or desperate who takes a cab on a
regular basis...
: I think that's the only reason I don't mind public
: transportation. I get to listen to my walkman constantly.
True, as somebody else pointed out, you get the "walkman experience" which
lets you catch all the lyrics and background stuff in the track. That's
when I really appreciate my music...when I'm wearing my headphones.
: : Or would you given the chance have your own ride?
I've got my own ride. But you have to pay for parking (couple of bucks a
day) plus gas and the occasional repair if you use it to get to work.
For me, the 3 bucks ($1.50 each way) I spend on the subway is much more
worth it. It's also quicker sometimes.
If I'm going to the movies, or the mall, or someplace on the outskirts of
Atlanta, I drive.
: That's the beauty of a walkman. You can pump as loud as you want and
: just be in your own world. YOu can bob ya head, clap ya hands,
: dowahtchalike, and the most that'll happen is people'll look at you
: funny. But it doesn't matter 'cause you got your own thang.
True, true...I LOVE THAT SHIT!!!
Mitch
--
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In article <ndt2-03079...@cu-dialup-0001.cit.cornell.edu>,
nd...@cornell.edu (Suave) wrote:
> In article <5p1j63$13fo$1...@lynx.unm.edu>, hip...@mirac.unm.edu () wrote:
>
> :Eightball & MJG's "Candy" is supa-tight!!! I wonder what NY-centric hip-hop
> :fans think about it. Makes me want to go cruising again. I need to bump that
> :jam in my ride....even though it doesn't have candy!
>
> I think it's terrible. Personally, I can't listen to much southern shit
> because it bugs me. Outkast and Goodie MOB came with some deep thoughts,
> provacative production, and tight flows. Pair that along with some fat
> ass southern accents and you have something to listen to. But then look
> to the other side of the south: Suave House Records, Master P, all that
> shit.
>
> First off, Master P and Sick-Wit-It records.
Sick-Wit It is outta Kali playa. And we ALL famlee down this way blood,
it aint no otha side of the South.
> i was never convinced that people's lifestyles, tastes, musical
> preferences/roots, varied so widely until I heard that Master P was coming
> up out of the south and moving units like hot cakes. I have not felt a
> single one of his songs with the exception of "Is there a heaven..." and
> that's only because one of my best friends died around the time I first
> heard it and I felt like Master P was talking to me in that one. But the
> shit that he puts out...man alive!! The names of the people he puts out
> are so stupid and stereotypical. It's like the names of groups the
> mainstream press would create. I just don't understand...
I feel exactly the same way bout most eastcoast hip-hop groups.
All those snare drums makin racket, cheesy horn riffs, and a bunch of
weak hoe-type niggaz 'freestylin' (yeah right) and playa-hatin' on otha
niggaz cuz they know how to make money while doin whut they love
(hip-hop). A good example would be Craig G on RAP CITY. He played
himself. FOR REAL.
"Make money like I'm Down South.." Jay-Z
Now as far as corny names, thats a given for hip-hop in general.
Just look at the names of the niggaz from WU. Somebody might beat yo azz
you tell em yo name wuz Ol Dirty Bastard down this way....
You probably wouldn't believe it if you listen to Kari (no dis
intended) but hardly any eastcoast music gets played where I'm
at.(Houston TEXAS)
Most people down here had NEVER even heard of Nas when 'If I ruled the
world' came out. Most niggaz down this way also couldnt tell you anotha
song that Nas made either. I know plenty of Folks who LOVE Master P. The
main reason being that he aint no studio nigga, he REALLY did that shit.
Down South, most people root fo the GETO CELEBS. Racism is still thick
like the humidity potna.
Down South, niggaz WILL check yo nutz playa, all that studio bullshit
don't hold. You rap that gangsta shit, yo betta be down fo yo crown or a
nigga'll TAKE YO SHIT.
"The outkast, I robs witout the mask,
the same nigga make the car run witout the gas,
So watch yo azz, I'll blast you in a flash...
GIMME DAT!!!
Whatchu doin wit some CASH?!" --Polo from KockDzel (Tennessee)
Eastcoast niggaz also use the same rap cadance for the most part IMO
(I call it 'biddy-biddy rap' cuz that's how most of the MCs sound to me,
like Tweeky off BUCK ROGERS. A good example of this style is the gal who
raps on BLACKSTREET's no diggity. Then too, i caint overstand a damn thang
half those niggaz say)
"Hard times make hard-headz in the SOUTH,
you get respect being REAL--NO SELL-OUT!!!" --MJG
If you a man and you mean whut you say, SPEAK CLEARLY.
Also, most music from Down South is made fo the SLAB, meaning to play in
the RIDE own a tight system. You caint even HEAR half the beats in a song
if you listen to it on a walkman, cuz the music is MADE for hard-hittin
systems. Most people out east dont feel this cuz they dont ride in carz
they use mainly use mass transit
> Suave House:
> When I first saw this enormously fat guy breaking a pooltable under
> himself with all these naked women, gold chains, dice, and
> playa-stereotypes, I was convinced I had seen the seventh sign, the end of
> it all. The advertisements these people come up with. Not to mention
> when I first heard their music a short while after: garbito. I actually
> grooved to the first song I heard by them but then the stereotype sunk
> in. They had the same style over and over again and there was nothing to
> feel, no substance to the music at all. I can understand that they run
> the south and they are the biggest players ever, yadda, yadda, yadda...but
> get over yourself and wake up out of the black stereotype. They are doing
> nothing for the culture and they seem to think they can make some laid
> back beats to put you to sleep and not say shit, except shit.
I have yet to listen to a eastcoast group (in the 90's) outside of
Gangstarr, Organized Konfusion, the ROOTS and a couple othaz that had
ANYTHANG to say that wuz relevant to my life. They all sound EXACTLY
alike to me. Most try to bite Wu or are studio punkz like Mobb DEEP. But
becuz they are eastcoast, they are labeled hard-core hip-hop, not
gangsta rap.
Also SUAVE HOUSE has some of the best lyricists pound fo pound out there.
Thorough, Crime Boss, Mr. Mike, Nola, Tela, Eightball & MJG all can flow
wit the best of em.
Whut's wrong wit BLACK stereotypes anyway?? Especially if its bout
being YOUNG, BLACK, ALIVE, AND LEGALLY RICH. Most big playaz like
Eightball & MJG, etc. REALLY OWN the shit they rap bout. The candy and
the wood, etc. they aint rentin cars/houses for videos, THEY OWN SHIT.
That's SCARFACE's REAL HOUSE in the BIG MIKE its all a dream video. Just
like that's E-40's REAL house in Playaz ball.
The media has most people brainwashed into believing stereotypes of all types.
Its better than being stereotyped a young criminal or 'super predator'
Then there's the CORN-BALL factor. All those niggaz in the eastcoast
'hip-hop inner circle' who get big propz from all the magazines, video
shows etc. cuz they labels dump big money into puttin them on. Then they
put out half-azz shit.
examples: Busta Rhymes, Rampage, Redman, Chino, anybody who getz the
first review in the SOURCE (Usually wit 4.5 mics)
Whut eva happened to EARNING YOUR RESPECT??
Nas went from Half-time to being Pablo Escobar.
Most artists Down South have PAID DUES for years by the time they get ANY
national attention.
A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
KEEPIN IT REAL.
And if you think laid back is bad, you would even begin to fathom or
overstand SCREW at all......It would be like you were hearing
Japanese.....
This is my personal KICKER: The REALITY FACTOR.
When I listen to an MC i listen fo the CONVICTION in his/her voice. That's
whut makes them good to the PLAYAZ down Southside...how SERIOUS they are
bout whut they say.
erebody thinks that PLAYA shit is a corny stereotype...nigga there are
some BOSS PLAYAZ networkin all over the SOUTH 4 REAL.
Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear none of that shit bout this system
here in Babylon. GANGSTERISM is deeply rooted Down this way potna, cuz fo
the most part there aint no middle class. You either BROKE or paid. There
are plenty of niggaz Down South strugglin in the GETO. who view the GAME
as a WAR...If you been BROKE or LOCKED you'd Overstand.
I'm talkin bout HOODLUMS, THUGS, CONS, NIGGAZ and all the otha labels
whitefolks can put own us.
"2 be a PIMP or a muthafuckin HOE...
And I wuz taught that back in the GAP so,
I hang around niggaz that much much older
i guess thats why i gotz this tight head own my shouldaz
Erebody done SLANGED & BANGED and did thangs to MAINTAIN
But the life of a G can REALLY CHANGE
So if i gotta WORK then I busts my AZZ
And if i gotz to HU$TLE then I makes my CASH
Time might pass and I might neva rich
BUT YOU BET I WONT GO OUT LIKE A TRICK
If life is whut you make then well make it a BITCH
And neva will i switch
STREET GAME is the SHIT
We twist and we turn and you might get burned
ITS THE *GAME* YOU HAVENT LEARNED
So i'm just concerned...
About my homiez own the CUT..WASSUP
And all of my niggaz TRUE to whatchu doin..STAY UP
Who peeped how they gotz the hood set-up
Seems they wont let up
TAKES MO THAN TALK TO MAKE THE SYSTEM GET UP!!!" --KottonMouth
PLAYA shit is mo than pimpin hoez and slammin Lac doez...I thought I said
this sometime last year...
Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear that FAST SHIT either. Relax,
relate, release....That's cuz the Black Church is still rooted here as
well. Spirtuality, gospel, and Blues playboy. I garawn-tee if you come
Down South, you'll slow yo azz down too. Best to get you some of that
LEAN and get SCREWED OUT...
"I'm Draped UP & DRIPPED OUT Knowhuti'mtalkinbout??" --Lil KeKe, from PIMP
THE PEN
> Why don't I feel the south? It's not because I have a bias towards other
> coasts, I love the west and I respect some of the south but sometimes
> people get caught up in making music for their block instead of music for
> the culture and it ends up coming out like crap.
Thats whut NY's BEEN doin fo YEARZ. Like 2Pac said own the THUG IMMORTAL,
all NY niggaz rap bout is the science and the burroughs. I've been to NY,
i lived in BROOKLYN for 2 months. I also been locked down and i learn bout
the science. all y'all REALLY need to get out and see that y'all are
really in the MINORITY as far a hip-hop is concerned. It just dont seem
like it cuz you live in a spot that has a high concentration of hip-hop in
a small area.
I can see how some
> people can't feel New York mc's who just talk their shit about new york.
> The flows and beats may be nice for people in new york but hip hop has
> expanded past the 5 boroughs. New york has been doing shit like E-ball
> and MJG and Master P for years now on their own terms. Maybe the south is
> just making up for lost time...
>
See this is whut eastcoastcentrics fail to realize...
WE BEEN DOIN THIS SHIT FO YEARZ TOO FOOL!!
YOU are just makin up fo lost time on OUR style...WE already heard yo side
of the story...now listen to OURS. If you REALLY playa-made, you would
OVERSTAND that we been doin this shit on OUR own terms fo YEARZ too. (The
Geto Boys first album came out in 1987.) Its just that the biased
eastcoastcentric media is just starting to pay attention becuz YOU HAVE TO
GIVE PROPS WHERE PROPZ IS DUE
Actually more so (on our own terms that is), becuz we dont have Madsion
Ave and all the big record companies. Down South, people put in work,
hustle, and start their own labels cuz white folkz down this way aint
really tryin to hear that shit...
> peace
>
> --
> after eight years of my life of hip hop and thinking,
> the world keeps spinning, so lately I've been drinking...
>
> Niko Suave
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Miotch!
rai...@swbell.net wrote:
: Also, most music from Down South is made fo the SLAB, meaning to play in
: the RIDE own a tight system. You caint even HEAR half the beats in a song
: if you listen to it on a walkman, cuz the music is MADE for hard-hittin
: systems. Most people out east dont feel this cuz they dont ride in carz
: they use mainly use mass transit
Which makes it like booty-music...there isn't anything wrong with that,
but it sure isn't creative or innovative...
: I have yet to listen to a eastcoast group (in the 90's) outside of
: Gangstarr, Organized Konfusion, the ROOTS and a couple othaz that had
: ANYTHANG to say that wuz relevant to my life. They all sound EXACTLY
: alike to me. Most try to bite Wu or are studio punkz like Mobb DEEP. But
: becuz they are eastcoast, they are labeled hard-core hip-hop, not
: gangsta rap.
You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is Mobb
Deep. I think it's good that you listed the Roots because it's a good
starting point. Try Boogiemonsters, Latyrx, De La Soul, etc. They
actually have something to say...
: Also SUAVE HOUSE has some of the best lyricists pound fo pound out there.
: Thorough, Crime Boss, Mr. Mike, Nola, Tela, Eightball & MJG all can flow
: wit the best of em.
Flow, maybe. Lyrics, HELL NO. Do you know the difference?
: The media has most people brainwashed into believing stereotypes of all types.
So we should just accept this, and not try to change it?
: Then there's the CORN-BALL factor. All those niggaz in the eastcoast
: 'hip-hop inner circle' who get big propz from all the magazines, video
: shows etc. cuz they labels dump big money into puttin them on. Then they
: put out half-azz shit.
You're pretty much referring to all that bullshit pop that you hear on
MTV.
: examples: Busta Rhymes, Rampage, Redman, Chino, anybody who getz the
: first review in the SOURCE (Usually wit 4.5 mics)
Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
: A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
: dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
: all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
: job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
: KEEPIN IT REAL.
So now you're going to attack what they *wear*? I don't see how this is
relevant.
: When I listen to an MC i listen fo the CONVICTION in his/her voice. That's
: whut makes them good to the PLAYAZ down Southside...how SERIOUS they are
: bout whut they say.
So you think the "playaz" down south sound more "real" than others? When
they're rapping about shit that they actually *did* (at most) half of?
: Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear that FAST SHIT either. Relax,
: relate, release....That's cuz the Black Church is still rooted here as
You're going to relate the church to southern "playa" music? The same
shit that talks about dealin', robbin' people, and "pimpin'"?
THIS should be interesting...
: See this is whut eastcoastcentrics fail to realize...
: WE BEEN DOIN THIS SHIT FO YEARZ TOO FOOL!!
Not nearly as long as they've been doing it in New York...
: YOU are just makin up fo lost time on OUR style...WE already heard yo side
: of the story...now listen to OURS. If you REALLY playa-made, you would
: OVERSTAND that we been doin this shit on OUR own terms fo YEARZ too. (The
: Geto Boys first album came out in 1987.)
10 years!?!? Hip-hop's been up in NY since the seventies or even
earlier...
: Its just that the biased
: eastcoastcentric media is just starting to pay attention becuz YOU HAVE TO
: GIVE PROPS WHERE PROPZ IS DUE
Who says they're due? Maybe the shit just sells because it's offensive.
See Death Row Records....
Now, besides the fact that you didn't provide a whole lot of support for
your views, you used all that "playa" speak AND ACTUALLY TYPED IT.
That shit sounds forced.
I know that's how people speak...that's how they speak here. But this is
the damn internet, kid. If you want to convince me, you've got to come
with some intelligence. I'm sure you're capable...
Rick2234
raiseup wrote:
>>>Down South, niggaz WILL check yo nutz playa, all that studio bullshit
>>>don't hold. You rap that gangsta shit, yo betta be down fo yo crown or
a
>>>nigga'll TAKE YO SHIT.
culture and not just the music. In a way, I feel what you're saying
raiseup. If you look at the lines I quoted, he's just telling the truth.
Now I don't know about "take yo shit" but in the South, as in a lot of
real projects and urban areas, Blacks and the poor in general are really
needing money...seriously.
And a lot of these people (I hate the way that sounds) first start flowing
about stuff they don't have, and then once they get the money, their
skills are honed in to rapping about that material type stuff so that's
what they go on. Even KRS-One said that the formula of being successful
in the industry is once you make your money the first time in hip-hop just
repeat what you did the first time in the future.
Plus, your skills are built up by trying to out MC the other MC, so it's
no surprise that rappers from the same area sound similar.
ANYWAY, I need to work on making sure the things I say don't ramble, but
my point is that when I hear Master P and Tru, who I don't like, I can't
just say man, they have no skills. Instead, it makes me realize how bad
things are, especially for black people in general. I mean, this brotha
who was talking before said he was in jail...how many others on this
newsgroups have been in jail (no I have not!).
I just hope that all of the people on here who claim that hip-hop is their
life will go to the areas where they hate the music the most and try and
improve the situation. If some of you all become businessmen/women it
could be constructing positive projects in the areas, or if you become an
MC or an Exec (which I hope a lot of people on here will look into), don't
be scared to network, and go talk to say the future Master P. Find out
why he does what he does, and then you can talk about why you wish he'd so
this or that (or you could represent on the mic and tell the world about
the challenges that other rappers had to go through along with your
challenges)...maybe I'm in a fantasy world, but too many on this newsgroup
act like everyone in hip-hop is as fortunate as WE are and therefore
should be more honest with themselves and hip-hop...what if they are?
well...to some degree...because I know a lot of these MCs are going too
far with this just for the money, which goes back to my first point.
Rick
Did anything I say make sense?!?
rai...@swbell.net
>:rai...@swbell.net wrote:
>: Also, most music from Down South is made fo the SLAB, meaning to play in
>: the RIDE own a tight system. You caint even HEAR half the beats in a song
>: if you listen to it on a walkman, cuz the music is MADE for hard-hittin
>: systems. Most people out east dont feel this cuz they dont ride in carz
>: they use mainly use mass transit
>Which makes it like booty-music...there isn't anything wrong with that,
>but it sure isn't creative or innovative...
First of all, you act like booty music and Southern hip-hop are the
same. ITS NOT.
Plus, whut makes you thank that even booty music isn't creative?
>: I have yet to listen to a eastcoast group (in the 90's) outside of
>: Gangstarr, Organized Konfusion, the ROOTS and a couple othaz that had
>: ANYTHANG to say that wuz relevant to my life. They all sound EXACTLY
>: alike to me. Most try to bite Wu or are studio punkz like Mobb DEEP. But
>: becuz they are eastcoast, they are labeled hard-core hip-hop, not
>: gangsta rap.
>You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is Mobb
>Deep. I think it's good that you listed the Roots because it's a good
>starting point. Try Boogiemonsters, Latyrx, De La Soul, etc. They
>actually have something to say...
I OWN all of the above named records. I work in a radio station. De La
Soul is okay, so are the Boogiemonsters. You missed my ENTIRE point. I
responded to this post cuz the dude wuz rankin on the South and makin
sweeping generalizations, so I did the same to show him it how it could
work both ways.
>: Also SUAVE HOUSE has some of the best lyricists pound fo pound out there.
>: Thorough, Crime Boss, Mr. Mike, Nola, Tela, Eightball & MJG all can flow
>: wit the best of em.
>Flow, maybe. Lyrics, HELL NO. Do you know the difference?
You are crazy. Mr.Mike, Thorough, Crime Boss, Eightball & MJG all can
flow AND have lyrical skills.
Its all in the beholder though. I'll say it again, whut THESE artists
say is relevant to MY life.
Why dont you tell me whut YOUR definition is so I can overstand where you
comin from....
tell me, IYO then whut the difference is.
>: The media has most people brainwashed into believing stereotypes of all
types.
>So we should just accept this, and not try to change it?
You aint listenin again. My whole point in sayin this wuz to address this
VERY point, to NOT accept it.
Your boy made a sweepin generalization and stereotyped the South becuz
he believes the stereotypes.
>: Then there's the CORN-BALL factor. All those niggaz in the eastcoast
>: 'hip-hop inner circle' who get big propz from all the magazines, video
>: shows etc. cuz they labels dump big money into puttin them on. Then they
>: put out half-azz shit.
>You're pretty much referring to all that bullshit pop that you hear on
>MTV.
No i'm not. I wuz talkin bout ALL of em. I made anotha generalization to
show how the shit can work both ways again. Its all good for an
eastcoastcentric to do this, but hoe-types getz they panies in a wade
when the shit bounces back at em. And it dont matter if its on MTV or
not, they are STILL eastcoast artists, and THAT wuz my point.
>: examples: Busta Rhymes, Rampage, Redman, Chino, anybody who getz the
>: first review in the SOURCE (Usually wit 4.5 mics)
>
>Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
>artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
Chino IS eastcoast-styled. I said this befoe, I work in a radio station
and I listen to ALL of the music, from beginning to end, not just a
couple seconds from each track. I always listen and try to overstand
whut somebody sayin, unlike the dude who made the post i originally
responded to.
>: A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
>: dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
>: all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
>: job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
>: KEEPIN IT REAL.
>So now you're going to attack what they *wear*? I don't see how this is
>relevant.
This is relevant becuz it is a direct respond to the attack made on
Southern hip-hop.
Ol boy wuz dissin playaz, etc. He dissed our manner of communicating. Why
is THAT relevant? and he dissed OUR appearance as well, I just volleyed it
back to make him overstand that once again it works both wayz.
>
>: When I listen to an MC i listen fo the CONVICTION in his/her voice. That's
>: whut makes them good to the PLAYAZ down Southside...how SERIOUS they are
>: bout whut they say.
>
>So you think the "playaz" down south sound more "real" than others? When
>they're rapping about shit that they actually *did* (at most) half of?
Yes I do. They sound more real becuz they ARE. I can see through a
bullshit muthafucka like they made of GLASS potna. Plus, I have talked
to and interviewed plenty of Southern artists. And whut makes you think
they only did half of whut they rap bout??
If thats the case i could say the exact same thang bout eastcoast artists
as well.
I caint convince you, its probably somethin you would have to SEE. Come
down here goto a coupla clubs etc. You'll see its all REAL. which can
be both good and bad (subjective terms), but at least its TRUE.
Stop living in an eastcoast media created fantasy. How can nigga
somewhere else tell you how to live, act, or talk?
Maine, thats the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND. (track on GETO BOYS last album.)
>: Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear that FAST SHIT either. Relax,
>: relate, release....That's cuz the Black Church is still rooted here as
>You're going to relate the church to southern "playa" music? The same
>shit that talks about dealin', robbin' people, and "pimpin'"?
>
>THIS should be interesting...
I sure am. See most people dont overstand that a lot of playa music uses
the griot style to tell a story so that you overstand the MORAL of the
story.
If you knew bout the BIBLE, you would overstand that the Bible is full of
stories bout robbin, pimpin, etc.
Cain wuz the first murderer. Eve wuz the first scandalous bitch. The
Egyptians and many othaz pimped all types of people. I can go on.....just
goto church and ask the minister. You're in Georgia, go have a
conversation with the brotha from TEAM SOTERIA. He can probably give you
PLENTY of references.
Listen to the SCARFACE song, 'Faith'.
By you makin the above statement, you are generalizing too.
(like most eastcoastcentric people do when dealing with hip-hop thats a
different style.)
All Southern hip-hop aint bout dealin, robbin people, and pimpin.
The game is life playa, do you want to win?? (Be saved)
>: See this is whut eastcoastcentrics fail to realize...
>: WE BEEN DOIN THIS SHIT FO YEARZ TOO FOOL!!
>Not nearly as long as they've been doing it in New York...
>
This wuz a stupid statement. This same attitude is whut started east v.
west. Aint nobody tryin to say
we been doin this as long as New York, erebody knows where it started.
But Ten yearz IS a long time. Long enough to where a kid who is 21 now
wuz only 11 when our scene blow up. Meaning that there are kidz down
this way who grew listening to ONLY Southern hip-hop exclusively, just
like eastcoastcentric 'headz' listen to eastcoast-style hip-hop
exclusively. I have to bang this concept into many a niggaz head
daily.... I know PLENTY of people like this right here in Houston alone.
The Houston hip-hop scene is large enough to where it doesnt even have or
need external influences. Right now, i can probably name at least 20
artists who are household names here who you have probably NEVER heard of.
But if i listen to you, they aint hip-hop...
>: YOU are just makin up fo lost time on OUR style...WE already heard yo side
>: of the story...now listen to OURS. If you REALLY playa-made, you would
>: OVERSTAND that we been doin this shit on OUR own terms fo YEARZ too. (The
>: Geto Boys first album came out in 1987.)
>10 years!?!? Hip-hop's been up in NY since the seventies or even
>earlier...
But I doubt if YOU were there then.(the 70's) So this statement is
irrelevant. Depending on your age, you probably have been listenin to
hip-hop for ten years or under as well. So it dont matter how long its
been out, Which wuz MY point. Unlike most people on this ng, i'm not a
kid, I'm 27 years old. contrary to whut a person says bout the old
school, unless you were there you caint overstand the original intent or
content, i.e. the truth of the situation, the attitude and feelings of
the people who created it. I started listening to hip-hop around 1980. I
wuz 10 years old.
I remember when THE MESSAGE came out. I bought RAPPER's DELIGHT when it
wuz FIRST released. I WENT to the FRESHFEST. I went to the KING OF ROCK
tour, the RAISING HELL tour.
This is the point that eastcoastcentric people alwayz fail to realize:
People in otha places grew up with hip-hop as well, and developed their
own scenes in different locations out of whut they observed and
participated in.
Hip-hop has no set principles, it is the expressed culture of the youth
generation.
Culture differs depending on LOTS of thangs, including LOCALITY.
Thats why RAKIM ALLAH said, "It aint where ya from its where ya AT." I
bought this lp when it came out also. I wuz in the 11th grade.
See, alot of eastcoastcentric people dont overstand this concept. And it
trips me out cuz its an east-born saying. Over time, peoples attitudes,
intentions, and feelings can change or be MISINTERPRETED.
examples: Eldridge Cleaver (One of the original Black Panthers) is a born
again Christian now and recanted all of the stuff that he thoroughly
believed (KILL WHITE PEOPLE) and said back in the sixties. He wuz on 60
minutes and said that whut he said and stood for then wuz wrong for this
day and age, but at the time, he believed whut he said. But if you just
take Cleaver for his face value without overstanding this fact, you would
probably view him as a radical racist who wants to overthrow the
government.
Like Big Rube says, "No man can truly understand how a man from 2000 years
ago feels."
Which in relation to hip-hop is the same as you bringin up the 70's
argument. YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DIDN'T particpate then, so all you know
is whut someone tells you or whut you can interpret from your own
research. Your INTERPRETATION is whut keeps you from overstanding. Which
is exactly whut the dude who wrote the post i replied to is doing
concerning Southern hip-hop. His interpretation makes sweeping
generalizations, (just like you do) bout Southern hip-hop and hip-hop in
general.
I lived in BROOKLYN (688 Putnam Ave) in the late 80's for some time, one
of hip-hops highest points.
I wuz 19 yearz old. I WENT to clubs, parties, etc. all over New York.
At the same time, one of my potnas wrote a screenplay called WHEELS of
STEEL, the Scott La Rock story. He went to the Bronx and interviewed
KRS (I have a copy if you want to read it), I wuz a young-dumb hustla, i
wuz too busy kickin it. I wuz a part of hip-hop then, I actively
participated. just like the South is a part of hip-hop now.
>: Its just that the biased
>: eastcoastcentric media is just starting to pay attention becuz YOU HAVE TO
>: GIVE PROPS WHERE PROPZ IS DUE
>
>Who says they're due? Maybe the shit just sells because it's offensive.
>See Death Row Records....
This is anotha lame eastcoastcentric arguement. Whut makes you think shit
sells just cuz its offensive?
Maybe it sells becuz people like it, they can relate to it. Just cuz you
dont or caint, dont HATE it, be objective. Then if you still dont like
it, dont listen to it. Stop hatin'.
Tell me this then: Why dont eastcoast records sell then??
If ya'll keep it so real, you think people would support it. THAT's the
difference, playboy.
Folks down this way SUPPORT hip-hop with their MONEY.
That's why people like Master P can blow up, and most eastcoast artists
remain mired in obscurity. Most eastcoast people all think they are on
the inside lookin out, but in the scope of the big picture, they are on
the outside lookin in....
Plus, I SAY THAT THEY ARE DUE. (Propz) So do a gang of otha people down
this way. We gave YA'LL propz....be a MAN a do the same.
nobody is asking you to like our scene, just DONT DISRESPECT IT. Which
is the same thang that WEST SIDE CONNECTION said when they came out. Most
people on the east hate them, but what they said (No matter how
harsh)
was TRUE.
and the TRUTH shall set you FREE, fool!
That's why westcoast and southern artists click so well, you aint know?
life is all bout LOVE & HATE playa. Love is alwayz the first option fo a
TRU playa, but dont show us HATE then expect to get love or no
response. We aint wit that shit down this way potna.
>Now, besides the fact that you didn't provide a whole lot of support for
>your views, you used all that "playa" speak AND ACTUALLY TYPED IT.
>
I type like i talk fo just that reason. This is a new medium of
communication. There are NO FORMAL rules on the net. This is also a
recreational newsgroup, not a courtroom or classroom. To me its the
equivalent of havin a personal conversation not a formal one. and i want
people to overstand the CONTENT & the CONTEXT of where i'm comin' from.
Instead of complaining bout how i said somethang, you need to LISTEN &
COMPREHEND whut wuz said.
>That shit sounds forced.
It wuz. I call it EBONICSv2.0. Its a DIALECT. The point being only
specific types of people overstand whut I'm sayin, and that's good. That
WUZ my intention. When I post I am targeting specific audience, and the
people I want to overstand my messages DO get it. I get love from people
all over the world.
I do this on purpose to show that its the same thang as eastcoastcentric
people saying, "word iz bond, son, phat, slammin, cyph3r, lovely, kid,
etc. etc.
THAT shit sounds forced to me. And thats the same bullshit that makes
white boys think its cool to say nigga and act Black, just cuz they down
wit 'hip-hop'.
Cuz imma tell you playa, it aint all bout dis rap homeboy.....
Nigga, i'm not STUPID. I HAVE a degree in JOURNALISM.
>I know that's how people speak...that's how they speak here. But this is
>the damn internet, kid. If you want to convince me, you've got to come
>with some intelligence. I'm sure you're capable...
>
>
>Mitch
>--
>Mitch Kispert
>cco...@prism.gatech.edu
>
>Georgia "Well I'm beyond critical mass, feel the lyrical blast
>Institute of Vex the Vortex, man of the past
>Technology Livin' in the present, and walkin' in the future,
> H20's the flow as I dilute ya"
> --Boogiemonsters (Vex), "Strange"
>
>Seen as one of the "multilingual" greetings in the lobby of my Graduate
>Student dorm: "BREAK YOURSELF, FOOL!"
I'm tired and i have to get gone,
but imma leave you wit a lil some some to THINK BOUT bein the PLAYA-MADE
nigga that i am.....
Remember whut Jeru said on the intro to his first album?
Try APPLYING this to the UNIVERSE that is hip-hop.
if YOU are capable.....
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Loklass
In article <31F300...@tiac.com>, writes:
>Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
>artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
Chino XL was born and raised in NEW JERSEY. This makes me wonder if you've
even listened to his album. He shouts New Jersey all over the fuckin'
album. Yes, he now vacates in California and has done tracks with West
Coast artists like Ras Kass but his home is still in New Jersey. One of my
favorite parts on the album mentions Jersey. On "Feelin' Evil Again", he
breaks into this sing-songy mode:
"What part of Jersey do you come from, black?
The part that white people be speeding through in 6 seconds flat
They scared to death, they outta breath, they gonna get carjacked
That's what you get when you don't recognize Hispanics and blacks"
Get your facts straight before you try and set someone else straight...
Peace
Loklass
El Papichulo Cubano
Mike Burke
Miotch! <cco...@acmez.gatech.edu> wrote in article
<5q4eao$l...@catapult.gatech.edu>...
> You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is Mobb
> Deep. I think it's good that you listed the Roots because it's a good
> starting point. Try Boogiemonsters, Latyrx, De La Soul, etc. They
>
Latyrx is West Coast.
> Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
> artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
>
Uh, yeah he is. Chino XL is from New Jersey.
--
"Even when I say nothing it's a
beautiful use of negative space."
El-P
Mike Burke
Miotch!
Mike Burke (Hom...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: Miotch! <cco...@acmez.gatech.edu> wrote in article
: <5q4eao$l...@catapult.gatech.edu>...
: > You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is Mobb
: > Deep. I think it's good that you listed the Roots because it's a good
: > starting point. Try Boogiemonsters, Latyrx, De La Soul, etc. They
: > actually have something to say... ^^^^^^^
: >
: Latyrx is West Coast.
I didn't say they weren't. I merely listed them as an example of a good
group with a lot to say that WEREN'T from the South.
: > Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
: > artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
: Uh, yeah he is. Chino XL is from New Jersey.
Okay...but he resides in California. Whatever. Sorry.
Miotch!
rai...@swbell.net wrote:
: >Which makes it like booty-music...there isn't anything wrong with that,
: >but it sure isn't creative or innovative...
: First of all, you act like booty music and Southern hip-hop are the
: same.
Did I? I didn't say anything like that. I merely said that the
bass-intensive type tracks that you mentioned are usually boring and
unimaginative...you've only got so much of the aural spectrum to work
with.
: Plus, whut makes you thank that even booty music isn't creative?
Ummm...I'll leave that as an excercise for the reader.
: I OWN all of the above named records. I work in a radio station. De La
: Soul is okay, so are the Boogiemonsters. You missed my ENTIRE point. I
: responded to this post cuz the dude wuz rankin on the South and makin
: sweeping generalizations, so I did the same to show him it how it could
: work both ways.
Agreed. But I didn't see that point anywhere in your post.
: You are crazy. Mr.Mike, Thorough, Crime Boss, Eightball & MJG all can
: flow AND have lyrical skills.
: Its all in the beholder though. I'll say it again, whut THESE artists
: say is relevant to MY life.
Agreed...it's in the eye of the beholder. And I have no problem with
that. I, personally, think the lyrics are unimaginative and repetitive.
: Why dont you tell me whut YOUR definition is so I can overstand where you
: comin from....
My definition of what? (And quit with that "overstand" shit. It's mad
confusing.)
: >: The media has most people brainwashed into believing stereotypes of all
: types.
: >So we should just accept this, and not try to change it?
: You aint listenin again. My whole point in sayin this wuz to address this
: VERY point, to NOT accept it.
No, you said something to the effect of "The media has most people
brainwashed into believing stereotypes of all types, so it doesn't matter
how southern artists portray the black race anyways..."
: Your boy made a sweepin generalization and stereotyped the South becuz
: he believes the stereotypes.
Who's "my boy"? I'm not personally acquainted with anyone on this
newsgroup. Just because I might partially agree with someone doesn't mean
we hang together...
: >You're pretty much referring to all that bullshit pop that you hear on
: >MTV.
: No i'm not.
Then why did you make repeated references to the Wu, Mobb Deep, Busta
Rhymes, Rampage, Redman, etc? That's about all you listed as examples.
These are all artists who get a shitload of airplay.
: I wuz talkin bout ALL of em. I made anotha generalization to
: show how the shit can work both ways again. Its all good for an
: eastcoastcentric to do this, but hoe-types getz they panies in a wade
: when the shit bounces back at em.
Huh? Can you please turn that confuso-speak shit off?
: And it dont matter if its on MTV or
: not, they are STILL eastcoast artists, and THAT wuz my point.
: >: A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
: >: dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
: >: all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
: >: job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
: >: KEEPIN IT REAL.
: >So now you're going to attack what they *wear*? I don't see how this is
: >relevant.
: This is relevant becuz it is a direct respond to the attack made on
: Southern hip-hop.
: Ol boy wuz dissin playaz, etc. He dissed our manner of communicating. Why
: is THAT relevant? and he dissed OUR appearance as well, I just volleyed it
: back to make him overstand that once again it works both wayz.
That still doesn't make it relevant. Just because he starts dissing on
the general appearance of southern rappers doesn't automatically give it
relevance. You should've pointed this out to him.
I mean, look at what you wrote: "A bunch of corny niggaz wearing funny
colored baggy clothes and hockey jerseys, etc." That's about as wide a
generalization as I've heard in this discussion. You're again referring
to the MTV-types.
I don't see De La, the Roots, BM's, Latyrx, or any of the crews I really
respect wearing any of this shit.
BUT STILL, it isn't relevant. And you shouldn't give it relevance just
because somebody else brought it up. Dismiss it, and move on.
: >So you think the "playaz" down south sound more "real" than others? When
: >they're rapping about shit that they actually *did* (at most) half of?
: Yes I do. They sound more real becuz they ARE. I can see through a
: bullshit muthafucka like they made of GLASS potna. Plus, I have talked
: to and interviewed plenty of Southern artists.
How many East Coast/West Coast artists have you interviewed? Is this
another example of you continuing your narrow view of hip-hop by excluding
them?
: And whut makes you think
: they only did half of whut they rap bout??
The fact that most of them would be in jail instead of rapping if they did
all of the shit they talk about.
: If thats the case i could say the exact same thang bout eastcoast artists
: as well.
Agreed. The Wu, Mobb Deep, shit like that...they're (as you put it)
"studio niggaz" as well. But so are a lot of southern artists.
: I caint convince you, its probably somethin you would have to SEE. Come
: down here goto a coupla clubs etc. You'll see its all REAL. which can
: be both good and bad (subjective terms), but at least its TRUE.
: Stop living in an eastcoast media created fantasy. How can nigga
: somewhere else tell you how to live, act, or talk?
I don't live in the "east" as it's defined here...born in south Florida,
raised in Orlando, and now living in Atlanta. Truth be told, I don't see
a whole lot of that here. But shit might be different in Texas.
: Maine, thats the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND. (track on GETO BOYS last album.)
^^^^^
How the hell did Maine come into this? I don't know a whole lot of east
coast artists from there. Just playin'...and dissing on your inability to
stop confusing me and USE SOME STANDARD ENGLISH.
: >You're going to relate the church to southern "playa" music? The same
: >shit that talks about dealin', robbin' people, and "pimpin'"?
: >
: >THIS should be interesting...
: I sure am. See most people dont overstand that a lot of playa music uses
: the griot style to tell a story so that you overstand the MORAL of the
: story.
: If you knew bout the BIBLE, you would overstand that the Bible is full of
: stories bout robbin, pimpin, etc.
I know more about organized Christianity than I really care to sometimes.
The Bible doesn't CONDONE this type of shit...what are you smoking?
: Cain wuz the first murderer.
This was a BAD thing...not something supported by any Church I know.
: Eve wuz the first scandalous bitch.
See above.
: I can go on.....just
: goto church and ask the minister.
Shit...so you're asking me to go into a church and ask a minister how the
Bible relates to degrading southern hip-hop?
So I'll just walk into my local southern Baptist church here bumping
Master P...I'm sure it's in the hymnbooks, right? I'm sure they'll say,
"Now there's a positive young brother with something to say!", right?
Wrong. You get a polite "turn that stuff off" and a lecture about how it
rots your mind.
: Listen to the SCARFACE song, 'Faith'.
I know there are some positive songs, and even some positive groups. But
the ones you mentioned aren't among those. Master P, Tru, Mr.Mike,
Thorough, Crime Boss, Eightball & MJG...are any of those groups straight
positive? No. When I think of positivity, I think of Goodie Mob, some
Outkast...stuff like that, as well as maybe a few songs from the groups
mentioned above.
: >: Its just that the biased
: >: eastcoastcentric media is just starting to pay attention becuz YOU HAVE TO
: >: GIVE PROPS WHERE PROPZ IS DUE
: >
: >Who says they're due? Maybe the shit just sells because it's offensive.
: >See Death Row Records....
: This is anotha lame eastcoastcentric arguement. Whut makes you think shit
: sells just cuz its offensive?
Because it's selling to an majority of white middle-class teenage males.
They're the ones who make most hip-hop in general monetarily successful.
You think THEY "relate to it"? I don't. They might like it, but mostly
because it's something taboo in the world they live in. It's a way of
rebellion from their parents and all of the middle-class white
surroundings.
: Maybe it sells becuz people like it, they can relate to it. Just cuz you
: dont or caint, dont HATE it, be objective. Then if you still dont like
: it, dont listen to it. Stop hatin'.
I'm only "hatin'" as you put it because I don't like the music you're
defending. You're "hatin'" as well because you don't like some of the
artists on MTV. Same shit. You want to make it seem like a personal
attack on southern music or "playa" type shit in general. It's not.
: Tell me this then: Why dont eastcoast records sell then??
Ummmm...checked billboard lately? East Coast sure sells a lot more than
the south. Like I said, middle-class white kids with money who want to
hear something offensive.
: If ya'll keep it so real, you think people would support it. THAT's the
: difference, playboy.
: Folks down this way SUPPORT hip-hop with their MONEY.
Yes, and they're the same white kids who buy all the rest of the mass-sold
hip-hop music. Same thing as the East.
: Plus, I SAY THAT THEY ARE DUE. (Propz) So do a gang of otha people down
: this way. We gave YA'LL propz....be a MAN a do the same.
I give props to an artist because I like the work they do, not because
somebody tells me I "owe" it to them...
: That's why westcoast and southern artists click so well, you aint know?
Either that or the fact that the majority of the "playa" artists hail from
those coasts...
: life is all bout LOVE & HATE playa. Love is alwayz the first option fo a
: TRU playa, but dont show us HATE then expect to get love or no
: response. We aint wit that shit down this way potna.
I ain't a playa. If I was a playa, I wouldn't be a "TRU" playa. That
shit is wack.
I don't expect someone to like me if I don't like them...but this isn't
personal. It's about music and types of music.
Some of the people on the east might hate the South, but some in the south
might love the east. There's not necessarily any balance.
It's not reciprocal.
: >Now, besides the fact that you didn't provide a whole lot of support for
: >your views, you used all that "playa" speak AND ACTUALLY TYPED IT.
: >
: I type like i talk fo just that reason. This is a new medium of
: communication. There are NO FORMAL rules on the net.
True, but I'd like to be able to understand (NOT "OVERSTAND") what the
hell you're saying if you want to engage in an intelligent discussion with
me.
: i want
: people to overstand the CONTENT & the CONTEXT of where i'm comin' from.
Then speak in english...
: Instead of complaining bout how i said somethang, you need to LISTEN &
: COMPREHEND whut wuz said.
I can't comprehend very well when I have to translate every third word.
It's hard to read that shit...
: >That shit sounds forced.
: It wuz. I call it EBONICSv2.0.
You do realize that this "ebonics" shit is just an excuse for the
government to dumb down classes because they don't think black youth are
intelligent enough to learn normal english.
Or _do_ you?
: I do this on purpose to show that its the same thang as eastcoastcentric
: people saying, "word iz bond, son, phat, slammin, cyph3r, lovely, kid,
: etc. etc.
It's not. I use those words when appropriate, but you don't have to wade
through LINES AND LINES of intentionally misspelled regular english to
understand my posts. It's ridiculous.
: Nigga, i'm not STUPID. I HAVE a degree in JOURNALISM.
I didn't say you were stupid. SEE WHAT I WROTE BELOW. I made a point of
saying you were capable of displaying intelligence.
: >I know that's how people speak...that's how they speak here. But this is
Miotch!
Loklass (lok...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Chino XL isn't east coast. Which makes me wonder...how many of the
: >artists that you list have you actually HEARD (outside of radio)?
: Chino XL was born and raised in NEW JERSEY. This makes me wonder if you've
: even listened to his album. He shouts New Jersey all over the fuckin'
: album.
Okay...okay...I've been corrected. I don't own Chino's album, but I have
heard it in its entirety. I was relying on the fact that he resides in
California and has done work with artists from there. Sorry.
: Yes, he now vacates in California
You mean "resides"? I didn't think he had left California yet...
: Get your facts straight before you try and set someone else straight...
Shit...I'm sorry. I made a simple mistake (although not really a full
mistake considering he's kinda "both" coasts). I think you ignored the
important parts of my posts, though...
Loklass...I've got mad respect for you since I first started reading here
(almost 2 years ago). If you took offense to the things I said about
southern hip-hop, realize that I'm merely making generalizations about a
few crews (mostly No Limit) and that my real problem is with people like
"RaiseUp" who give those heads a bad name.
He tries *hard* to make himself look incapable of rational discussion when
I'm sure he's not...
That's it.
Thanxsa292
In article <01bc8e39$eea98b60$5e1caace@default>, "Mike Burke"
<Hom...@pacbell.net> writes:
>.
>> You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is
Mobb
>> Deep.
Pop?
Suave
In article <raiseup-1007...@ppp-207-193-11-52.hstntx.swbell.net>,
rai...@swbell.net wrote:
:Just look at the names of the niggaz from WU. Somebody might beat yo azz
:you tell em yo name wuz Ol Dirty Bastard down this way....
B-legit, E-40, D-shot, H.W.A., Brotha Lynch Hung, Mo B. Dick, Mercedes,
The Gambino Family, MC Serv-On... do I have to go on? these names are so
damn played it's rediculous. In general, any names that take classic
novels, stupid made up mob family names, expensive foreign car companies,
and especially if they use a letter in the name, are all bullshit. They
sound so damn stupid and are a big reason people up here don't check for
the south. How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the same
shit over and over again.
: You probably wouldn't believe it if you listen to Kari (no dis
:intended) but hardly any eastcoast music gets played where I'm
:at.(Houston TEXAS)
I believe it: I have never heard a master P song played on the radio, sold
in a store, or even bumped in a ride up here. I'm telling you, people may
know the names and faces of the south, but we don't check for them, at
all.
:If you a man and you mean whut you say, SPEAK CLEARLY.
is there a universal language of hip hop? yes, in most cases when a
rapper drops a verse, it can be heard around the U.S. and Canada but some
mc's confuse the hell out of me: you think east coast mc's don't speak
clear enough? What the hell is E-40 talking about? I can't catch
sentence he recites because he makes up his own slang and starts to
confuse muthafuckas with his mumble and jumble style. I'll give you that
the east has some unclear people but don't look this far to get confusing,
you got plenty of that back home.
: Whut's wrong wit BLACK stereotypes anyway?? Especially if its bout
:being YOUNG, BLACK, ALIVE, AND LEGALLY RICH.
who needs to hear that shit? do you think messages of selling crack until
you have enough money to buy your own home and mercedes jeep is a good
portrayal? Where's the positive messages? What about the raps about
bitches, playin' bitches, and that bitches only want money? Where are the
positive reiforcements in a young black man's life? There's more to life
than being a player, selling crack and being rich. These aren't good
models and they only contirbute to the negative portrayal of rap and its
artists by the white media. That's what's wrong with the stereotypes of
blacks that these mc's from the south are talking about.
:Then there's the CORN-BALL factor. All those niggaz in the eastcoast
:'hip-hop inner circle' who get big propz from all the magazines, video
:shows etc. cuz they labels dump big money into puttin them on. Then they
:put out half-azz shit.
I agree with that but Redman is an ill mc, he's definitely above a lot of
heads out there and he's got skills beyond belief.
: Whut eva happened to EARNING YOUR RESPECT??
:Nas went from Half-time to being Pablo Escobar.
:Most artists Down South have PAID DUES for years by the time they get ANY
:national attention.
:A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
:dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
:all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
:job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
:KEEPIN IT REAL.
hip hop artists with skill get put out up here, they don't force their way
into people's ears by selling enough drugs to get a record company. And
what is keepin' it real? Just because NYC cats haven't killed before,
haven't sold tons of drugs, and haven't pimped 100 hoes, they don't
deserve to be on the mic? Hip hop is more than this, much more than
this. Like Kari said, hip hop culture is pretty much black culture and
black culture is not even close to being just about busting guns and
busting nuts. Are the people who don't keep it real, fake? I know a lot
of people who don't seem to fit your criteria and I think the hip hop
community would disappear if the only people allowed were the Master P's
and the Eightballs.
:This is my personal KICKER: The REALITY FACTOR.
:
:When I listen to an MC i listen fo the CONVICTION in his/her voice. That's
:whut makes them good to the PLAYAZ down Southside...how SERIOUS they are
:bout whut they say.
:erebody thinks that PLAYA shit is a corny stereotype...nigga there are
:some BOSS PLAYAZ networkin all over the SOUTH 4 REAL.
:Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear none of that shit bout this system
:here in Babylon. GANGSTERISM is deeply rooted Down this way potna, cuz fo
:the most part there aint no middle class. You either BROKE or paid. There
:are plenty of niggaz Down South strugglin in the GETO. who view the GAME
:as a WAR...If you been BROKE or LOCKED you'd Overstand.
but don't limit hip hop just to that. there are so many other aspects...
seriously, though, the south definitely defines itself and I respect it
for that. i have respect for all the mcs and producers who are doing
their thing down there in the south, I just don't like their messages,
their flows, their ideas, or their music in general. I USED to like them
back in the day but I have to elevate my mind past all the negativity that
comes from the southern artists' music. I already have enough bullshit in
my life as it is, so why do I have to hear about someone else's drama
24-7? Music is, in part, a release of stress for me and I can't calm down
and feel the music of the south when all they talk about is how shitty
life is at the bottom of the economic ladder (close to where I am) and how
fucking enjoyable it is at the top of the ladder (where they are). The
south just needs to lighten up in general...
peace,
Mike Burke
Thanxsa292 <thanx...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970714050...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Actually, I didn't write that. Miotch! did. You got the headers mixed up
when you responded, so it looks like I said it, even though I only
responded to Miotch!'s post to correct him.
KSG
Suave wrote:
>
> In article <raiseup-1007...@ppp-207-193-11-52.hstntx.swbell.net>,
> rai...@swbell.net wrote:
>
> :Just look at the names of the niggaz from WU. Somebody might beat yo azz
> :you tell em yo name wuz Ol Dirty Bastard down this way....
>
> B-legit, E-40, D-shot, H.W.A., Brotha Lynch Hung, Mo B. Dick, Mercedes,
> The Gambino Family, MC Serv-On... do I have to go on? these names are so
> damn played it's rediculous. In general, any names that take classic
> novels, stupid made up mob family names, expensive foreign car companies,
> and especially if they use a letter in the name, are all bullshit.
> the south.
Where are you from, Alaska? B-Legit, E-40, D-Shot, BLH are all from the
Bay (well BLH is from Sac I believe) so you must be from way up North
for that to be southern. I think the main reason people from NY don't
check from the South (and West) is cause they are close minded. No
personal attack, but the impression I get from alot of people I meet
from the east (I lived there for a while) and the mix tapes I hear from
there is this holier than thou, we created rap, our stuff is the pure
good stuff.
They wanna say that the stuff out the west is gangstaish, when they
droppin the same stuff. The seem to think that there is some a priori
claim to minimalist beats being better than funk derived beats. I don't
know if the East is scared or if they actually think that their joints
are just better, but you have to concede that there is some shady
business going on out there.
> How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
> some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
> portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
What about the NY ruffneck with all boyz dressed in winter clothing?
> They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
> puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the same
> shit over and over again.
I assume applies to Wu Tang, BCC, Flip Mode, and all the crews out east
who aren't exactly showing the diversity of Plato in their writings.
>
> : You probably wouldn't believe it if you listen to Kari (no dis
> :intended) but hardly any eastcoast music gets played where I'm
> :at.(Houston TEXAS)
>
> I believe it: I have never heard a master P song played on the radio, sold
> in a store, or even bumped in a ride up here. I'm telling you, people may
> know the names and faces of the south, but we don't check for them, at
> all.
I personally don't listen to Master P, but I think my reason is
different than most from NY (not saying you necessarily). If you got a
tape in NY and you just say its from the South they don't wanna hear
it. When I was out East I had the Rass Kass bootleg, no one was
checking for it. Even when I said, let me put some of my coast in, they
let me, but then started clowning him. East Coast headz have a hard
time critically evaluating work from other regions (not all, but enuf so
that you are apprehensive about introducing fresh new west stuff out
there).
> is there a universal language of hip hop? yes, in most cases when a
> rapper drops a verse, it can be heard around the U.S. and Canada but some
> mc's confuse the hell out of me: you think east coast mc's don't speak
> clear enough? What the hell is E-40 talking about?
What the f*ck is ODB saying? You can only slur so many words.
> I can't catch
> sentence he recites because he makes up his own slang
Well there goes the regional differences. If you was from the west you
would understand these things. I don't know anyone out here who has a
problem understanding him.
> : Whut's wrong wit BLACK stereotypes anyway?? Especially if its bout
> :being YOUNG, BLACK, ALIVE, AND LEGALLY RICH.
>
> who needs to hear that shit? do you think messages of selling crack until
> you have enough money to buy your own home and mercedes jeep is a good
> portrayal? Where's the positive messages? What about the raps about
> bitches, playin' bitches, and that bitches only want money? Where are the
> positive reiforcements in a young black man's life? There's more to life
> than being a player, selling crack and being rich.
That's real funny comin from someone in the East. As far as I can tell
the east certainly has its share of playa-materialistic-dope heads on
the mic. In some sense ya'll started it (from Kool G to Jay Z to
Redman).
> hip hop artists with skill get put out up here, they don't force their way
> into people's ears by selling enough drugs to get a record company. And
> what is keepin' it real? Just because NYC cats haven't killed before,
> haven't sold tons of drugs, and haven't pimped 100 hoes, they don't
> deserve to be on the mic?
Since when were NY MCs Mother Theresa?
> seriously, though, the south definitely defines itself and I respect it
> for that. i have respect for all the mcs and producers who are doing
> their thing down there in the south, I just don't like their messages,
> their flows, their ideas, or their music in general. I USED to like them
> back in the day but I have to elevate my mind past all the negativity that
> comes from the southern artists' music. I already have enough bullshit in
> my life as it is, so why do I have to hear about someone else's drama
> 24-7? Music is, in part, a release of stress for me and I can't calm down
> and feel the music of the south when all they talk about is how shitty
> life is at the bottom of the economic ladder (close to where I am) and how
> fucking enjoyable it is at the top of the ladder (where they are). The
> south just needs to lighten up in general...
First I think before you dis the south, you should make sure you are
talking about southern rappers and not West Coast rappers (E-40
etc...). Second, the South is rather new in this game and to be honest
if you want to look at the two best albums in the past two years I think
they both come from the south (Goodie Mob and OutKast). I get the
impression you have never listened to a whole E-40 album cause you don't
really seem to know the content of his lyrics (or maybe you can't
understand them all). I'm not a big fan of E-40 (mostly cause I can't
get with the music), but I think lyrically he is nice. And he actually
put together an original flow that is also likable.
I can easily take some Wu song like Wildflower or something and make
them out to be the worst of portrayer of black images. That's not a
hard task to do for virtually any rap group. Except for a handful of
rap groups, mainstream rap thrives off of negative images of black
america (maybe that's all young white america feels comfortable buying).
But to end this we got dope albums from all regions and wack stuff from
all regions. If you don't like Master P don't sleep on all the South
cause you'll miss OutKast. If you don't Wu don't sleep on all the East
cause you'll miss Company Flow. And if you don't like E-40 don't sleep
on all the West cause you'll miss Acey.
Now lets get over this regionalism, cause while we are complaining about
other coasts getting wack we are supporting mediocrity on our own
coasts.
--
KSG
Bring the Noise on KSDT UCSD
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Personal: http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/kgatlin/
"In Hip Hop's atomic structure, I am the nucleus"
KRS-1
"It's a great day for genocide. That's the day all the niggas died"
Ice Cube
Thanxsa292
In article <01bc93b3$aae38dc0$5a04aace@default>, "Mike Burke"
<Hom...@pacbell.net> writes:
>
>> >.
>> >> You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is
>> Mobb
>> >> Deep.
>>
>> Pop?
>>
>
> Actually, I didn't write that. Miotch! did. You got the headers
mixed up
>when you responded, so it looks like I said it, even though I only
>responded to Miotch!'s post to correct him.
>
>
My Bad.
the Wise1
Ya mama
Word the fuck up! I think everybody should read that post.
Peace
Trey Harris
Ultimate respect to KSG for his post. You said everything that I
felt and you said it 100 times better than I could have.
One thing that I've noticed about New York...they've created their
own "universe" within hip-hop that is nearly airtight. They'll accept New
Jerz, Philly and a few others, but their "style" doesn't seem to be the
dominant factor in other hip-hop centers. I mean, every city has the NY
wanna-bes (camo, 1-leg up, "Dun", "Sun", "God", etc.) but in the places
I've been, brothers don't really live or act like that.
And all regions are talking about the same stuff. Making moves,
coming up, clocking loot, pimping females, pushing whips, flexing rides,
making scrilla, being 'bout it, running game, etc. It's all the same
thing. Jay-Z's got a Lexus, Big Boi rolls a Caddy and Snoop's got the
Impala. GZA is a "God", Ice Cube is a "G" and 8-Ball is a "Player". This
shit is more similar than anyone wants to admit.
My man, Curt, said something that I'll never forget. He
questioned the sense of the Bad Boy/ Death Row War when they were nothing
but East & West Coast versions of each other. BIG & Tupac, Dogg Pound &
Jr. MAFIA, Suge & Puff. Same thing, different state.
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
T. Tauri
known universe wrote:
> I never understood why a lot of the bass was taken out of hip-hop
> music. Some people say that hip-hop has progressed past the 808 boom,
> but I really don't know if it's progression. Today it seems like
> artists either have an album with very little bumping songs, or all
> bumping songs. Now I think that's why I liked EPMD so much. You
> could count on them to have lyrics that made you flip, but even more
> importantly you could count on them to make beats (So What Cha Sayin',
> Rap Is Outta Control) that would shake your whole block on the right
> system. Nowadays, a lot of the beats out of New York are tight from a
> production standpoint, but they lack a lot of bass. Sometimes I'll
> throw on Run-DMC's "Raising Hell" just to remind myself how much I
> miss bass.
Yessss! I clearly remember the first time I hear that sub-bass KABOOM in
"I Know You Got Soul." So nice.
Peece,
T. Tauri
known universe
rai...@swbell.net wrote:
>Also, most music from Down South is made fo the SLAB, meaning to play in
>the RIDE own a tight system. You caint even HEAR half the beats in a song
>if you listen to it on a walkman, cuz the music is MADE for hard-hittin
>systems. Most people out east dont feel this cuz they dont ride in carz
>they use mainly use mass transit
I never understood why a lot of the bass was taken out of hip-hop
music. Some people say that hip-hop has progressed past the 808 boom,
but I really don't know if it's progression. Today it seems like
artists either have an album with very little bumping songs, or all
bumping songs. Now I think that's why I liked EPMD so much. You
could count on them to have lyrics that made you flip, but even more
importantly you could count on them to make beats (So What Cha Sayin',
Rap Is Outta Control) that would shake your whole block on the right
system. Nowadays, a lot of the beats out of New York are tight from a
production standpoint, but they lack a lot of bass. Sometimes I'll
throw on Run-DMC's "Raising Hell" just to remind myself how much I
miss bass.
known universe
*****
i've heard the tyson-holyfield rematch is this weekend.
apparently it's on pay-per-chew.
*****
Spirit68
>ANYWAY, I need to work on making sure the things I say don't ramble, but
>my point is that when I hear Master P and Tru, who I don't like, I can't
>just say man, they have no skills.
Yes, you can. I'm from New Orleans and I work hard at making my lyrics
better everyday. Point blank, Mast P is NOT working towards perfecting his
craft as a lyricist. His flow IS getting better from record to record, but
he is not pushing any boundaries. As a "reality rapper", MCs such as
Scarface and Prodigy remain miles ahead of him, because they constantly
find new ways of saying what has been said before ("I shot so-and-so").
Mia X is a better rapper than P, so is Mystikal. Why? They practice their
craft more. IMO, P should stick to the boardrooms and leave mics to people
who are willing to dedicate themselves to their craft fully.
Peace,
Spirit
Spirit68
>B-legit, E-40, D-shot, H.W.A., Brotha Lynch Hung, Mo B. Dick, Mercedes,
>The Gambino Family, MC Serv-On... do I have to go on? these names are so
>damn played it's rediculous. In general, any names that take classic
>novels, stupid made up mob family names, expensive foreign car companies,
>and especially if they use a letter in the name, are all bullshit.
Niko, you just played yourself and I'll list point by point every reason
why.
1) None of the names you listed are "Mob family names".
2) Only one of the names you listed was from a foreign car company,
showing that this is actually the exception rather than the rule.
3) Only one of the names comes from a classic novel, again showing that
this is the exception rather than the rule. (And isn't being the exception
to the rule part of being innovative. Thank you for disproving your own
point)
4) You say using a letter in an MC name is stupid. I guess you hate Kool G
Rap, Chuck D, A-Plus (of Souls), Eric B, shall I go on?
> They
>sound so damn stupid and are a big reason people up here don't check for
>the south.
Oh, so people around your way only buy records if the artist has a really
cool name? People around your way must be superficial idiots.
>How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
>some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
>portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
Hmmm. I guess you really hated the "Paid In Full" cover with the dollar
bills all in the background and Rakim and Eric B with the fat rope chains.
Or, better yet, KRS holding gats on the first two BDP albums. I'm sure
those covers were indicative of the low musical quality of the records
underneath, right (sarcasm)? Why the hell are you judging albums by their
covers?
>They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
>puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the
same
>shit over and over again.
Can you say "Wu-Tang"? Case closed.
>hip hop artists with skill get put out up here, they don't force their
way
>into people's ears by selling enough drugs to get a record company.
Actually, most rappers in New York get put on by somebody. Name the last
East Coast rapper who came out on a major label who was completely
unaffialiated with any previously released crews. You can count those acts
on one hand...
Anyway, you made a lot of good points, but you also had some serious flaws
in your argument, which I enumerated above.
Peace,
Spirit
Spirit68
>You're listening to the wrong stuff. Wu is on some pop shit. So is Mobb
good
>: > starting point. Try Boogiemonsters, Latyrx, De La Soul, etc. They
>: > actually have something to say... ^^^^^^^
>: >
>
>: Latyrx is West Coast.
>
>I didn't say they weren't. I merely listed them as an example of a good
>group with a lot to say that WEREN'T from the South.
>
>
Actually, Mitch, since Overtime (now called "Raise Up") was refeering to
East Coast groups, by listing Latyryx in your rebuttal of groups that
avoid East Coast stereotypes, you IMPLIED that Latyryx were an East Coast
group, which they most definitely are not.
Peace,
Spirit
Jonathan Dean Ripp
Why does everyone want New York's respect? Cuz frankly, no one is ever
going to get it unless your from the tri-state. Something in 1990 or '91
made this true.
Frankly, I just don't see any diversity in the south. I know I'm wrong
but for some reason, I don't care. All the mainstream acts I see in
magazines (Since they don't play shit on the radio here from the South I
can only go one what mags say) are big ballers and killers. I know there
is more to the south than that but how am I, a kid in the east locked in
the east coast mentality with east coast radio stations, going to hear
cats from the south that I'd probably like?
Ripp
Steve 'Flash' Juon
Jonathan Dean Ripp wrote:
> more to the south than that but how am I, a kid in the east locked in
> the east coast mentality with east coast radio stations, going to hear
> cats from the south that I'd probably like?
>
> Ripp
By listening first and making assumptions later. By checking out
artists like OutKast, Goodie Mob, Y'all So Stupid, Bushwick Bill,
Mystikal, Mia X, and LISTENING first. Listen to the lyrics. Check
out the beats. Tell me if the artists I just named can't combine
both as well as any East coast MC you can name.
Peace, Flash
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Pushermat1
Ripp asked:
>>how am I, a kid in the east locked in the east coast mentality with
>>east coast radio stations, going to hear cats from the south that I'd
>>probably like?
On the real, they probably won't listen to you, but call these fools and
make some requests. Call Hot 97 when they have the outta town show or
whatever it is and request some SUAVE HOUSE shit. Tell 'em you want to
hear Eightball & MJG. Tell 'em man. I mean, they won't listen, but at
least you'll be putting a bug in their ear. Tell Stratch and Bob too. They
need to know.
Thing is, I'm assuming, from your last post, that your tates tend to lean
more towards the style from the east, well we got mic wreckas down here
too. Check the K-OTIX, they just put out a single themselves and the shit
is bangin'. Honestly, I prefer the southern sound these days, but when
somebody comes out, putting it down for Texas in an original, well
produced manner, I'm 'nbout it. The K-Otix have been wrecking the local
scene for quite a while now, I love those cats. Email me and I'll tell you
how to get a hold of the 12".
PEACE
pusherman matt stonedalla
Anthony Sebro
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Steve 'Flash' Juon wrote:
>
> By listening first and making assumptions later. By checking out
> artists like OutKast, Goodie Mob, Y'all So Stupid, Bushwick Bill,
> Mystikal, Mia X, and LISTENING first. Listen to the lyrics. Check
> out the beats. Tell me if the artists I just named can't combine
> both as well as any East coast MC you can name.
>
> Peace, Flash
Yeah.. I remember that I picked up Y'all So Stupid, and I kinda
liked it (although I felt that they were riding on Pharcyde's
coattails a bit too much). Then, I had my walkman stolen with
the tape still inside. I was quite salty about the whole
affair....
Tony "Keynote" Sebro
Suave
In article <33CFFA...@cs.ucsd.edu>, kga...@cs.ucsd.edu wrote:
:Where are you from, Alaska? B-Legit, E-40, D-Shot, BLH are all from the
:Bay (well BLH is from Sac I believe) so you must be from way up North
:for that to be southern. I think the main reason people from NY don't
:check from the South (and West) is cause they are close minded.
what the hell was I thinking? I seriously knew that E-40 and his crew
were from the Bay, I guess I was just on a roll of wack names from out of
town and I forgot where they were from. my bad.
No
:personal attack, but the impression I get from alot of people I meet
:from the east (I lived there for a while) and the mix tapes I hear from
:there is this holier than thou, we created rap, our stuff is the pure
:good stuff.
so what's your point? hip hop was founded on the east coast, the first
people to have the dj and mc combined. I think the east has some right to
feel they have rights to hip hop's roots since it all began over here. As
far as the east putting itself on a pedistal, that's how everyone is,
everywhere: the west has plenty of people who think anything outside the
state of california is garbage: just look at westside connection. The
south does the same thing too. There are exceptions from every coast that
aren't about who started it and who owns it, there are even plenty of
people from the east who would agree to that.
:> How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
:> some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
:> portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
:
:What about the NY ruffneck with all boyz dressed in winter clothing?
the real question is: what would be a good, original, thought out cover?
everyone's guilty here.
:> They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
:> puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the same
:> shit over and over again.
:
:I assume applies to Wu Tang, BCC, Flip Mode, and all the crews out east
:who aren't exactly showing the diversity of Plato in their writings.
here's my main beef with the south: they use no creativity. They may talk
about it, be about it, but that's it. If master p slung crack, killed his
homeboy, pulled twenty women in the same night, and then did two life
bids, that's all he's going to talk about, nothing more, nothing less. He
may tell a story he made up but it involves the same old shit, the same
tired, weak, strictly played out themes. People from the east and the
west come with creativity, they are not limited to what is in front of
their eyes, but where their imagination takes them and where their mind
wanders. Some mc's from the east do exactly what the south does and drop
rhymes about street life, but that shit is dead already. People can come
with as many new ways as they want to explain the ghetto but it's not
creative until they let their minds flow free, use some type of
creativity/imagination. The south suffers from this disease that they
have to drop rhymes about what is there, the obvious, the day to day
life. But that's all average shit that everyone knows about and can
relate to, basically that anyone could talk about. When an mc comes from
the heart, the soul, the mind, and flips it on the original/innovative
tip, that's when he stands out above the rest and that's what a lot of the
southern mc's lack and the east/west coast mc's don't. The other thing
that bothers me is that master p and company have their own label and push
their own product yet they continue not to abuse this and put out some
next level type shit. Not everyone can be an mc and I think the process
of weeding out lyrical weakness is practically dead and it flourishes in
the south.
:I personally don't listen to Master P, but I think my reason is
:different than most from NY (not saying you necessarily). If you got a
:tape in NY and you just say its from the South they don't wanna hear
:it. When I was out East I had the Rass Kass bootleg, no one was
:checking for it. Even when I said, let me put some of my coast in, they
:let me, but then started clowning him. East Coast headz have a hard
:time critically evaluating work from other regions (not all, but enuf so
:that you are apprehensive about introducing fresh new west stuff out
:there).
if it sounds like typical, stereotype bullshit, then I don't pay any
attention. When mc's from other regions can come correctly and flip some
universally dope rhymes, I can appreciate it. I think ras kass is the
shit but I do know some people who won't check for him because of his home
base location. But the same goes for other coasts involving music from
the east.
:That's real funny comin from someone in the East. As far as I can tell
:the east certainly has its share of playa-materialistic-dope heads on
:the mic. In some sense ya'll started it (from Kool G to Jay Z to
:Redman).
but in the east, mc's have so much more diversity and can approach a
number of topics while still maintaining their own integrity as an
artist. I haven't heard that much diversity from the south, only from
Goodie MoB and Outkast. Other than them, I am left with the master p's
and eightball's.
:But to end this we got dope albums from all regions and wack stuff from
:all regions. If you don't like Master P don't sleep on all the South
:cause you'll miss OutKast. If you don't Wu don't sleep on all the East
:cause you'll miss Company Flow. And if you don't like E-40 don't sleep
:on all the West cause you'll miss Acey.
that's what I'm talking about, it just seems like the south has a very
limited listing of incredibly dope groups: try outkast and goodie mob.
you don't hear much about the southern underground which may, but not to
my knowledge, be on some next shit and be dropping gems left and right.
It's just that from what I see, the south has a limited range of mc's and
topics, with a couple of exceptions.
Suave
In article <19970721064...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
spir...@aol.com (Spirit68) wrote:
:>B-legit, E-40, D-shot, H.W.A., Brotha Lynch Hung, Mo B. Dick, Mercedes,
:>The Gambino Family, MC Serv-On... do I have to go on? these names are so
:>damn played it's rediculous. In general, any names that take classic
:>novels, stupid made up mob family names, expensive foreign car companies,
:>and especially if they use a letter in the name, are all bullshit.
:
:Niko, you just played yourself and I'll list point by point every reason
:why.
:
:1) None of the names you listed are "Mob family names".
the Gambino Family is a mob reference.
:2) Only one of the names you listed was from a foreign car company,
:showing that this is actually the exception rather than the rule.
:3) Only one of the names comes from a classic novel, again showing that
:this is the exception rather than the rule. (And isn't being the exception
:to the rule part of being innovative. Thank you for disproving your own
:point)
just because they are exceptions, does that make them any better? There
shouldn't be anyone named after Moby Dick or a damn foreign car company
because that's stupid, it's not hip hop. What does Moby Dick have to do
with hip hop? And Mercedes certainly hasn't funded any hip hop concerts
lately. What if there was one mc's name for every wack idea they could
come up with, even though there's just one of each type, it doesn't change
the fact that they're wack. These names are wack as hell and shouldn't
even exist in the first place.
:4) You say using a letter in an MC name is stupid. I guess you hate Kool G
:Rap, Chuck D, A-Plus (of Souls), Eric B, shall I go on?
I think Kool G Rap is a stupid name and so is A-plus. If I hadn't
listened to them, or their affiliates, I would probably think it was some
stereotypical, non skilled mc. Eric B and Chuck D are the mc's actual
names, correct? I can't knock anyone for using their name. I think Jay-Z
is a dumb name too.
:> They
:>sound so damn stupid and are a big reason people up here don't check for
:>the south.
:
:Oh, so people around your way only buy records if the artist has a really
:cool name? People around your way must be superficial idiots.
people around your way must be overly judgemental and make broad
generalizations about people they don't know. Now before you think I'm
contradicting myself from the statement that we don't check for southern
mc's because of their names, let me explain: I have listened to Master P,
D-shot, HWA, and a shitload of other groups from down south, and after
seeing, time after time, what master p puts out as product, I can assume
he will not drastically change his style and become an insightful
intellect with knowledge of the world outside of the south. Also, every
new mc he seems to bring to the table has followed a pattern of garbage,
stereotypical names, which leads me to connect the garbage names with the
garbage music. So now, instead of wasting my time and money on someone
master p put out, I can deduce, from the wack name, that the music will be
the same old bullshit. A lot of people think like this up here: master p
and all his brethren come with the same style of music and it's been a few
years now of the same crap. I'm talking from experience.
:>How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
:>some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
:>portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
:
:Hmmm. I guess you really hated the "Paid In Full" cover with the dollar
:bills all in the background and Rakim and Eric B with the fat rope chains.
:Or, better yet, KRS holding gats on the first two BDP albums. I'm sure
:those covers were indicative of the low musical quality of the records
:underneath, right (sarcasm)? Why the hell are you judging albums by their
:covers?
if you see a cracked out hooker, standing next to some playalistic, gold
covered, versace dressed, big car driving, pimp look alike, what do you
think the topics will range from on the album? How about if the same
cover, with different crack heads, hoes and players, in different
positions, was put out fifteen times in a row by a self promoted label.
What would you assume the topics covered on the album would be?
eric B and BDP's albu covers? Did eric b put money on EVERY SINGLE ALBUM
COVER HE EVER MADE? Was KRS making a statement and then not beating it to
death by playing it out. I think you might have an arguement if KRS had
put guns on every album cover he ever made and then made mad lion and
channel live hold guns in similar positions on their album covers, but did
he?
:>They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
(change to master p)
:>puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the
:same
:>shit over and over again.
:
:Can you say "Wu-Tang"? Case closed.
But the east is so wide and diversified that Wu tang does not represent
the entire repetoir of the coast. Unfortunately, the south does not make
incredible moves and has very limited talent that's evident to the rest of
the world. The south is basically represented by a limited number of
groups and when a major force from a limited resource comes the way
sick-wit-it records came, the south is affected by the impact.
:>hip hop artists with skill get put out up here, they don't force their
:way
:>into people's ears by selling enough drugs to get a record company.
:
:Actually, most rappers in New York get put on by somebody. Name the last
:East Coast rapper who came out on a major label who was completely
:unaffialiated with any previously released crews. You can count those acts
:on one hand...
what's your point? that's the record business. these labels down south:
rap-a-lot, suave house, etc. are rapper produced and they have the power
to put anyone they want on, yet they put their half sisters on because
they can imitate everyone else in the click.
I hope I could clear some things up.
right back at you,
peace.
Miotch!
Steve 'Flash' Juon (dj.f...@pobox.com) wrote:
: By listening first and making assumptions later. By checking out
: artists like OutKast, Goodie Mob, Y'all So Stupid, Bushwick Bill,
: Mystikal, Mia X, and LISTENING first. Listen to the lyrics. Check
: out the beats. Tell me if the artists I just named can't combine
: both as well as any East coast MC you can name.
I think the artists you've listed are exceptions to the rule...besides,
people like "RaiseUp" aren't defending *them*--they're defending all of
that played-out "playa" bullshit like Master P & TRU.
I wouldn't ever front on Goodie Mob or Outkast, and ESPECIALLY NOT ON
YSS!!!
That's why I don't subscribe to this "coast" theory crap. If that were
the case, I'd never listen to the Pharcyde, Latyrx, Hiero, etc. because
the West is where a LOT of the rest of that wack playa/gangsta stereotyped
shit comes out.
I probably also wouldn't listen to anybody from the East coast because of
artists like Mobb Deep, CNN, Nas, Puffy, etc.
Miotch!
Anthony Sebro (key...@umich.edu) wrote:
: Yeah.. I remember that I picked up Y'all So Stupid, and I kinda
: liked it (although I felt that they were riding on Pharcyde's
: coattails a bit too much). Then, I had my walkman stolen with
: the tape still inside. I was quite salty about the whole
: affair....
Don't sweat it, Tony...you can pick up YSS's "Van Full of Pakistans" for
about 5 or 6 bones on the clearance racks nowadays...
Kinda sad, but a great deal!
OverTIME
In article <ndt2-18079...@cu-dialup-0028.cit.cornell.edu>,
nd...@cornell.edu (Suave) wrote:
B-legit, E-40, D-shot, H.W.A., Brotha Lynch Hung, Mo B. Dick, Mercedes,
> The Gambino Family, MC Serv-On... do I have to go on? these names are so
> damn played it's rediculous. In general, any names that take classic
> novels, stupid made up mob family names, expensive foreign car companies,
> and especially if they use a letter in the name, are all bullshit. They
> sound so damn stupid and are a big reason people up here don't check for
> the south. How many album covers can they make of some guy smoking crack,
> some dirty half naked hooker with her hand on her ass, some typical media
> portraid playa with a cigar, a cup of bubbly, and money floating around?
> They are so unoriginal and predictable that it gets monotonous when E-40
> puts out his cousin, his brother, and his best friend out to talk the same
> shit over and over again.
Say maine, I aint really tryin to argue wit you playa. We will not agree.
I caint convince you, and yyou caint convince me
This shit is moot...cuz i can name just as many stupid eastcoast names...
that wuz point point in my original post....to show it can work both wayz potna.
Anyway, whuts in a name???
As far as album covers go, you wanna talk a walk back down memory lane
and talk bout Treach with a Chainsaw or Mobb Deep with sickles, the RZA
wit FANGS.....
and countless otha assorted bustaz, marks, and sucka-types. Busterism has
no locality.
> : You probably wouldn't believe it if you listen to Kari (no dis
> :intended) but hardly any eastcoast music gets played where I'm
> :at.(Houston TEXAS)
>
> I believe it: I have never heard a master P song played on the radio, sold
> in a store, or even bumped in a ride up here. I'm telling you, people may
> know the names and faces of the south, but we don't check for them, at
> all.
Like I said before, this works the same way. I personally check fo
EVERYTHANG, but the majority of folks down here are the SAME way yall are
only reversed...
The only time you even see or hear an eastcoastcentric artists is on the
video shows, like BET or MTV
I told a dude this a long time ago, he couldn't believe it....
The easiest way to END a party down this way is play an eastcoast record...
Now, take a few deep breaths. I know its hard to believe.....
Like i said in my original post...99.9% of folks down this way had neva
even heard on Nas when 'If i ruled the world' came out.
>
> :If you a man and you mean whut you say, SPEAK CLEARLY.
>
> is there a universal language of hip hop? yes, in most cases when a
> rapper drops a verse, it can be heard around the U.S. and Canada but some
> mc's confuse the hell out of me: you think east coast mc's don't speak
> clear enough? What the hell is E-40 talking about? I can't catch
> sentence he recites because he makes up his own slang and starts to
> confuse muthafuckas with his mumble and jumble style. I'll give you that
> the east has some unclear people but don't look this far to get confusing,
> you got plenty of that back home.
I told you B4, E-40 is from the Bay area, not Down South.
Plus, too many people dont overstand this:
And you really came outta left field wit that 'universal hip-hop language'
bullshit.
Language has enumeral thangs that influence it. LOCALITY is a major one.
You dont think so goto Africa or Russia and see how many different
DIALECTS there are.
Using your logic, all Africans speak 'African' too.
You probably learned this ideal in a class at the TEMPLE of HIP-HOP ;)
E-40 aint makin up wordz, THAT's the way people out that way talk 4REAL.
I have no problem overstanding E-40, and if at sum point i do, it just
makes me rewind and try to overstand.
E-40 is one of the REALEST mufuckaz in the rap game PERIOD.
That track on RHYME & REASON is SUM SERIOUS boy...
You might not be on his level of the GAME though...
E stands for his first initial,
40 is the maximum sentencing statute in the Federal Criminal Just-Us system.
That's why he had an album called FEDERAL....
Sick-Wit-It started out the trunk playa...no fakeness involved.
"See thru my education illustrations were the KEY
See where I'M FROM only BUSTAZ have to pay a fee..." -Eightball
>
> : Whut's wrong wit BLACK stereotypes anyway?? Especially if its bout
> :being YOUNG, BLACK, ALIVE, AND LEGALLY RICH.
>
> who needs to hear that shit?
I guess not you......
> do you think messages of selling crack until
> you have enough money to buy your own home and mercedes jeep is a good
> portrayal? Where's the positive messages? What about the raps about
> bitches, playin' bitches, and that bitches only want money? Where are the
> positive reiforcements in a young black man's life? There's more to life
> than being a player, selling crack and being rich. These aren't good
> models and they only contirbute to the negative portrayal of rap and its
> artists by the white media. That's what's wrong with the stereotypes of
> blacks that these mc's from the south are talking about.
Its obvious you dont listen to the music cuz you still generalizing...
There are COUNTLESS positive messages...and who said it has to be positive
in the first place...that aint whut hip-hop is BOUT.
If you dont believe me...go *listen* to THE MESSAGE again...
And once again i'll counter you with a REFLECTION...
Wu-tang raps bout selling dope all the time (ghost & Rae in particular)
So does Jay-Z, Mobb Deep, BIG, Boot Camp, Kool G Rap, Nas, Foxxy Brown,
Naughty, etc. etc. (i could go on and on and on and on.......)
Plus, WE goto CHURCH and our FAMLEES fo 'positive reinforcement' not to rappers.
And where I'm from...NOBODY cares bout how they 'look' to white folks,the
media, or anybody else for that matter.
Who gives a fuck bout anotha man's 'standards'? Anybody can make up a
test that you caint pass...just like any idiot can write a book that says,
"You aint shit"
Try living YOUR life and creating your OWN 'standards'.
It used to be 'standard' for Black people to be SLAVES.
They already have US typecast ANYWAY fool!
that's why OUTKAST calls themselves OUTKASTS. You probably dont REALLY
Overstand them either. You just think cuz you dont here gunshots and alot
of cussin that its 'cool'
Whut do you think 'Jazzy Belle' is bout?
Or most of the GooDIEm.O.B.'s album?
I bet i'd get a REAL kick outta your perception...and you wouldn't like
them anymore if i told you MINE...
I OVERSTAND whut they REALLY talkinbout...
And nobody Down South is lookin towards rap fo 'positive reinforcement' either.
We overstand that is hip-hop is ENTERTAINMENT.
Rappers aint role-models...they are PEOPLE, just like ME & YOU.
Rap records dont make people commit killings or sell dope.
STRAIGHT UP playa.
From personal experience, I can garawn-tee that nobody EVER listened to
a rap record and then decided that becuz a Master P or an Eightball said
they got all the 'hoez and kiloz', imma be just like them. As a matter of
fact, Master P's whole purpose is to try and get rid of this type of
behavior...HE may be in too deep, but he can stop the next lil kid from
doin the same...
It aint all bout this RAP homeboy......
That's why people like KAM want to run Cube's as up outta town.
Too many people think that just cuz NWA were studio gangtsaz, ALL gangsta
rappers are.
I thought shit like the LA Rebellion woulda convinced ya'll.....
> :Then there's the CORN-BALL factor. All those niggaz in the eastcoast
> :'hip-hop inner circle' who get big propz from all the magazines, video
> :shows etc. cuz they labels dump big money into puttin them on. Then they
> :put out half-azz shit.
>
> I agree with that but Redman is an ill mc, he's definitely above a lot of
> heads out there and he's got skills beyond belief.
Now see, now we gettin somewhere...
THIS is how you should have presented yourself from JUMPSTREET, i.e. in a
NON-THREATENING manner.
Your original post wuz basically a 'FUCK YOU' letter when i opened the thread...
And imma tell you PLAYA, you can best believe if its gone be sum FUCKIN'
goin own...
Imma be the one doin the fuckin'. 4REAL.
People think that GANGSTA rap aint REAL. It might be studio on the
eastcoast but imma tell you playa...aint no PUNKZ round dese here
parts....
Cuz if ya talk the talk...you best to walk the walk OR GET WALKED OWN.
And i been to Kali too, and its the same way out that way.
Like RICHIE RICH say, "Aint no NEW-JACK niggaz fittin come in here and
ride out on GOLD!!!"
> : Whut eva happened to EARNING YOUR RESPECT??
> :Nas went from Half-time to being Pablo Escobar.
> :Most artists Down South have PAID DUES for years by the time they get ANY
> :national attention.
> :A bunch of corny niggaz who wear funny colored baggy clothes and hip-hop
> :dreadz, funny lookin hockey jerseys, and sports gloves...
> :all that camoflague and bullshit. You niggaz need to get a fade and a
> :job, holla at some women....DO SOMETHANG. But i forgot ya'll are too busy
> :KEEPIN IT REAL.
>
> hip hop artists with skill get put out up here, they don't force their way
> into people's ears by selling enough drugs to get a record company. And
> what is keepin' it real? Just because NYC cats haven't killed before,
> haven't sold tons of drugs, and haven't pimped 100 hoes, they don't
> deserve to be on the mic? Hip hop is more than this, much more than
> this. Like Kari said, hip hop culture is pretty much black culture and
> black culture is not even close to being just about busting guns and
> busting nuts. Are the people who don't keep it real, fake? I know a lot
> of people who don't seem to fit your criteria and I think the hip hop
> community would disappear if the only people allowed were the Master P's
> and the Eightballs.
Maine, that aint whut i said. Erebody down this way aint sellin drugz to
get record labels, etc. anyway. And once again, whut makes you think
that they are forceing themselves into erebody's ears?
I went to SCARFACES record release party and people were lines up around
the BLOCK.
anotha generalization....
And i didnt say that the gangsta rappers are the only ones who keep it
real...i said they are the ones that I LIKE, I RELATE TO.
And being Black all bout bustin capz and nutz but you caint deny that IS
apart of it though.
You wanna get serious, we can playa. I've got a BA in journalism, and a
LIFE-TIME GETO PASS.
Plus, my whole point wuz just summarized in your last statement:
YOU WROTE:
"I know a lot of people who don't seem to fit your criteria and I think
the hip-hop community would disappear if the only people allowed were the
Master P's and the Eightballs."
Now, substitute Master P & Eightball for any eastcoast artists (take your pick)
This is the same way that i feel. Which wuz MY point.
Try to overstand.
See me.
How you gone tell ME whut Black culture is anywayz?? Arent you WHITE??
This is where our basic DIFFERENCE of opinion REALLY stems from.
You can *NEVER* fully overstand Black culture if you aint Black.
I dont care how many books you read, shows you watch, people you think
you know, or records you listen to. 4REAL.
> :This is my personal KICKER: The REALITY FACTOR.
> :
> :When I listen to an MC i listen fo the CONVICTION in his/her voice. That's
> :whut makes them good to the PLAYAZ down Southside...how SERIOUS they are
> :bout whut they say.
> :erebody thinks that PLAYA shit is a corny stereotype...nigga there are
> :some BOSS PLAYAZ networkin all over the SOUTH 4 REAL.
> :Niggaz Down South aint tryin to hear none of that shit bout this system
> :here in Babylon. GANGSTERISM is deeply rooted Down this way potna, cuz fo
> :the most part there aint no middle class. You either BROKE or paid. There
> :are plenty of niggaz Down South strugglin in the GETO. who view the GAME
> :as a WAR...If you been BROKE or LOCKED you'd Overstand.
>
> but don't limit hip hop just to that. there are so many other aspects...
I wasnt, again i wuz talkin bout whut I like, and whuts POPULAR where
I'm from.
> seriously, though, the south definitely defines itself and I respect it
> for that. i have respect for all the mcs and producers who are doing
> their thing down there in the south, I just don't like their messages,
> their flows, their ideas, or their music in general. I USED to like them
> back in the day but I have to elevate my mind past all the negativity that
> comes from the southern artists' music.
You REALLY dont get it do you??
"Nigga to love G-SHIT you gotta live in the GETO!" --D of Trinity Garden
Cuz my perception of Southern hip-hop is nothin but love & positivity....
SEE THE ABOVE NAMED STEREOTYPES (i.e. Young, Black, Alive, Legally rich)
I already have enough bullshit in
> my life as it is, so why do I have to hear about someone else's drama
> 24-7? Music is, in part, a release of stress for me and I can't calm down
> and feel the music of the south when all they talk about is how shitty
> life is at the bottom of the economic ladder (close to where I am) and how
> fucking enjoyable it is at the top of the ladder (where they are). The
> south just needs to lighten up in general...
>
> peace,
>
> --
> after eight years of my life of hip hop and thinking,
> the world keeps spinning, so lately I've been drinking...
>
> Niko Suave
To quote one of yo homiez, "WHATEVA man."
That's cuz you dont Overstand playa principle #1:
Lift as you climb, cuz from the bottom, the only way to go is UP.
Stay UP!!!
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Da Smurf 1
someone else wrote:
>That's why I don't subscribe to this "coast" theory crap. >If that were
>the case, I'd never listen to the Pharcyde, Latyrx, Hiero, >etc. because
>the West is where a LOT of the rest of that wack >playa/gangsta
stereotyped
>shit comes out.
finally, someone gives props to the real emcees on my coast. i personally
hate most of that gangsta and playa shit, but everyone thinks that this is
all that the west has. most real emcees in cali could get with any new
york emcees, but people don't look at these emcees because theyre west
coast artists.
>I probably also wouldn't listen to anybody from the East >coast because
of
>artists like Mobb Deep, CNN, Nas, Puffy, etc.
now you can't tell me that "illmatic" by nas and "the infamous...." by
mobb deep werent tite. it was shitten by nas and the other 2 mobb deep
lp's were weak as fuck, but the infamous and illmatic are hiphop classy's.
smurf 1
Thanxsa292
In article <raiseup-2107...@ppp-207-193-14-28.hstntx.swbell.net>,
rai...@swbell.net (OverTIME) writes:
>
>As far as album covers go, you wanna talk a walk back down memory lane
>and talk bout Treach with a Chainsaw or Mobb Deep with sickles, the RZA
>wit FANGS.....
>and countless otha assorted bustaz, marks, and sucka-types. Busterism
has
>no locality.
But at the time that shit was phat and they were being original.
But now theyr'e off it. As far as wack covers go Master P
has come out with more than anyone I can think of.
Mabey it's because he come's out with so many acts he
run's out of idea's.
the Wise1
Thanxsa292
In article <19970722072...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
dasm...@aol.com (Da Smurf 1) writes:
>
>now you can't tell me that "illmatic" by nas and "the infamous...." by
>mobb deep werent tite. it was shitten by nas and the other 2 mobb deep
>lp's were weak as fuck, but the infamous and illmatic are hiphop
classy's.
Hell on earth was a great album. Why are people acting like mobb deep
changed. Sure, the Hell on earth video was wack as hell.
(Whoever directed that shit should be shot) But they kept shit the same on
Hell on earth. Only phatter rhyme's and better production. But I guess
everyone got their own opinion.
the Wise1
"Me and my man pioneered this violent nigga rap shit"-Prodigy
Des49311
>As far as wack covers go .........
I would say some of the wackset album covers ever have comr from the BCC.
I love Bootcamp but look at Heltah Skeltah and OGC album covers. My
friends and I would be overjoyed evertime they had a new ad out or
something. Thy're so corny and cheesy. Good for a laugh but it never took
away from the dope music. The BCC album had a better cover but the music
was wack. Go figure. Mater P and his goons are still the champions of wack
album covers though.
"My ladder lets me elevate over MCs that are hella fake"-DEL Tha Funkee Homosapien
Des Tha Sunchild (An Intelligent AOL user)
Des49311
Its just all of the wack Mobb deep clones out there ruing it for Havoc and
P. If you liked The Infamous(which most people that have heard it did)
then you should basically like Hell On Earth. I don't see why people dont
like Mobb Deep now if thye liked them 3 years ago.They haven't really
changed that much.
Thanxsa292
In article <33D3A8...@pobox.com>, Steve 'Flash' Juon
<dj.f...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>By listening first and making assumptions later. By checking out
>artists like OutKast, Goodie Mob, Y'all So Stupid, Bushwick Bill,
>Mystikal, Mia X, and LISTENING first. Listen to the lyrics. Check
>out the beats. Tell me if the artists I just named can't combine
>both as well as any East coast MC you can name.
>
>Peace, Flash
You like Bushwick Bill and Mystikal? Mia X is straight and makes me
think mabey all those acts Master P comes out with arn't as wack as
I thought. Out Kast and Goodie Mob is mad dope thou.
P.S. Am I the only one who thought the Jazzy Bell remix
was commercial as hell. There was nothing wrong with the
album version and they had to change it a throw Baby Face
on the track.
the Wise1
Thanxsa292
In article <raiseup-2107...@ppp-207-193-14-28.hstntx.swbell.net>,
rai...@swbell.net (OverTIME) writes:
>
>Like i said in my original post...99.9% of folks down this way had neva
>even heard on Nas when 'If i ruled the world' came out.
>
>
Yeah the fuck right. Everyone heard that shit. I'm in NC.
And even thou most everyone is East oriented as far as
music goes the radio station still plays it share of
master P, Mia X, Tela, ect. I seriously doubt only .1 percent
of the west coast heard "If I Ruled the World".
the Wise1
Thanxsa292
In article <19970723191...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
des4...@aol.com (Des49311) writes:
> I would say some of the wackset album covers ever have comr from the
BCC.
>I love Bootcamp but look at Heltah Skeltah and OGC album covers. My
>friends and I would be overjoyed evertime they had a new ad out or
>something. Thy're so corny and cheesy. Good for a laugh but it never took
>away from the dope music. The BCC album had a better cover but the music
>was wack. Go figure. Mater P and his goons are still the champions of
wack
>album covers though.
>
>
I agree
the Wise1
Thanxsa292
In article <19970723183...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
thanx...@aol.com (Thanxsa292) writes:
>
>Yeah the fuck right. Everyone heard that shit. I'm in NC.
>And even thou most everyone is East oriented as far as
>music goes the radio station still plays it share of
>master P, Mia X, Tela, ect. I seriously doubt only .1 percent
>of the west coast heard "If I Ruled the World".
opps. I meant to say.
Yeah the fuck right. Everyone heard of Nas. I'm in NC.
And even thou most everyone is East oriented as far as
music goes the radio station still plays it share of
master P, Mia X, Tela, ect. I seriously doubt only .1 percent
of the west coast heard "The world is mine"
the Wise1
Thanxsa292
In article <19970723192...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
des4...@aol.com (Des49311) writes:
>
>Its just all of the wack Mobb deep clones out there ruing it for Havoc
and
>P. If you liked The Infamous(which most people that have heard it did)
>then you should basically like Hell On Earth. I don't see why people
dont
>like Mobb Deep now if thye liked them 3 years ago.They haven't really
>changed that much.
Exactly. Mobb Deep didn't change. And although The Imfamous
was great and is one of my fav. albums. Hell On Earth is only better.
The Wise1
Aliens66
>what the hell was I thinking? I seriously knew that E-40 and his crew
>were from the Bay, I guess I was just on a roll of wack names from out of
>town and I forgot where they were from. my bad.
the south, besides everywhere has wack MCs.
>so what's your point? hip hop was founded on the east coast, the first
>people to have the dj and mc combined. I think the east has some right
to
>feel they have rights to hip hop's roots since it all began over here.
But you see, were u there when hip hop first began? Just because you are
from NY doesn't mean you ARE hip hop. You can only say this if YOU were
actually there, when the culture was beginning.
> I think the east has some right to
>feel they have rights to hip hop's roots since it all began over here.
As
>far as the east putting itself on a pedistal, that's how everyone is,
>everywhere: the west has plenty of people who think anything outside the
>state of california is garbage: just look at westside connection.
Thats not true at all, in fact i resent that being from the west. First
of all, again you're bringing the west into this, when you are tryin to
diss the south, for which u dont have much of a reason. Second of all, if
the Westside Connection thought everything outside of cali was garbage,
would they have done that song with Master P? I remember seeing the
Westside Connection on Rap City, and they said, they bought biggie's and
nas' album just as well. You seem to be missing the whole point that the
westside connection was trying to make. The whole point, was to represent
where they from, so that the east(and mainly NY) could open up their minds
and see that NY isnt the only place where hip hop is thriving, look
around, theres Chicago with Crucial Conflict, Twista, Da Brat, Do Or Die,
etc. There's ATL with the Goodie Mob, OutKast,etc. There's Cleveland
with Bone and their family. There's memphis with Eightball & MJG, etc.
There's Texas with Geto Boys, etc. Do you want me to go on? Mind you im
not saying im a fan of all of these groups, im stating that they are all
leading to hip hop thriving in their areas.
And finally, the west gives major airplay to east coast MCs. If everyone
thought everything outside of the west was garbage, would we have THE WAKE
UP SHOW?? Which plays mostly east coast hip hop?
>the real question is: what would be a good, original, thought out cover?
>everyone's guilty here.
That one's true, i agree with you there.
>here's my main beef with the south: they use no creativity. They may
talk
>about it, be about it, but that's it. If master p slung crack, killed
his
>homeboy, pulled twenty women in the same night, and then did two life
>bids, that's all he's going to talk about, nothing more, nothing less.
Not exactly. First of all, you cant say that Mobb Deep doesnt talk about
killin, Biggie doesnt talk about slangin, and fuckin a bunch of women.
You also cant say Jay Z doesnt talk about problems with the law, shit
everyone seems to be sayin shit like that these days, its not just the
south. And why are you continuing to bring up Master P?? The south is
more than Master P. And you dont seem to see that. You say that people
should look past certain east coast groups like mobb deep, to find de la
soul. Well you should look past Master P to find the Goodie Mob.
> He
>may tell a story he made up but it involves the same old shit, the same
>tired, weak, strictly played out themes.
Again, and mobb deep doesnt do the same thing? Also, Master P lived this,
east coast rappers are always yappin bout "Keep It Real" (im not sayin
southern or west coast rappers dont do the same, but thats not the point).
It seems to me that East Coast Rappers want to reject rappers who do
truly speak on their pasts. Take AZ's diss of E40. You really think AZ
wasnt mad at 40 because 40 outsold him? Shit all rappers are somewhat out
for the money, even the Black Thought Of The Roots (who happen to be one
of my favorite groups) said "cuz im on a paper chase/im on a paper chase"
on "Proceed."
>People from the east and the
>west come with creativity, they are not limited to what is in front of
>their eyes, but where their imagination takes them and where their mind
>wanders.
While i agree with that, the south does the same. You have to get to it
though. Depending on where you live, and i guess u live in atlanta, as
you say. Even if you live in that area, doesnt mean necesarily that you
will get to the good music. Shit i know hella people out here on the west
that have never heard of Ras Kass or Dr. Octagon(despite my efforts)
> Some mc's from the east do exactly what the south does and drop
>rhymes about street life, but that shit is dead already. People can come
>with as many new ways as they want to explain the ghetto but it's not
>creative until they let their minds flow free, use some type of
>creativity/imagination.
Here you are just stereotyping the south as just all Master P. Which if
anything, is giving testimate to the fact that Master P is so large now.
Shit you wouldnt be talkin shit if Master P wasnt sellin would you? Cuz
if you would, this shit'd be over by now, cuz master P been at this for a
while.
>The south suffers from this disease that they
>have to drop rhymes about what is there, the obvious, the day to day
>life. But that's all average shit that everyone knows about and can
>relate to, basically that anyone could talk about. When an mc comes from
>the heart, the soul, the mind, and flips it on the original/innovative
>tip, that's when he stands out above the rest and that's what a lot of
the
>southern mc's lack and the east/west coast mc's don't.
You mean an LP like Scarface's THE DIARY??? Or OutKasts's ATLIENS?
> The other thing
>that bothers me is that master p and company have their own label and
push
>their own product yet they continue not to abuse this and put out some
>next level type shit. Not everyone can be an mc and I think the process
>of weeding out lyrical weakness is practically dead and it flourishes in
>the south.
Wait, you just said that the process of weeding out lyrical weakness is
flourishing in the south, i thought u were dissin the south. Haha i know
what you mean though. And yes, on that note i do kind of agree with you.
But it not only flourishes in the south, it flourishes in all major hip
hop areas these days. Where artists like a Jay Z can come out of
seemingly nowhere, rap about whats popular and sell.
>if it sounds like typical, stereotype bullshit, then I don't pay any
>attention. When mc's from other regions can come correctly and flip some
>universally dope rhymes, I can appreciate it. I think ras kass is the
>shit but I do know some people who won't check for him because of his
home
>base location. But the same goes for other coasts involving music from
>the east.
Sometimes, now im not saying always, but sometimes, these songs are deeper
than what they seem. I bet you think E40's "Things'll Never Change" is a
negative song. Or Master P's "If I Could Change" is. But see, anyone who
actually listens to these, knows that they are both positive.
>but in the east, mc's have so much more diversity and can approach a
>number of topics while still maintaining their own integrity as an
>artist. I haven't heard that much diversity from the south, only from
>Goodie MoB and Outkast. Other than them, I am left with the master p's
>and eightball's.
Well, you havent given much proof of your point. Your tellin me that the
south is really wack, you mention 4 artists: you say 2 are dope, 2 are
wack, that sounds like average to me. But i guess you do have a point,
artists in the east do rap about different topics, and keep their own
integrity. LL did "I Need Love" as somethin different, and he.....well
nevermind, not a good example. Nas did the whole IT WAS WRITTEN album and
tried to actually stick to a theme, and he.....well again, not a good
example. You get my point?
>that's what I'm talking about, it just seems like the south has a very
>limited listing of incredibly dope groups: try outkast and goodie mob.
>you don't hear much about the southern underground which may, but not to
>my knowledge, be on some next shit and be dropping gems left and right.
>It's just that from what I see, the south has a limited range of mc's and
>topics, with a couple of exceptions.
Again, if you were a big southern hip hop fan, and you were checkin for
the underground shit, im sure youd know more, see more dope groups. I
mean, the southern underground is not known nationwide, simply because the
south doesnt really get much respect. The same way the west didnt, until
NWA started sellin millions, and a lot of other groups followed, almost
forcing the east to give them a listen. And i believe, that Master P is
doing the same thing with TRU for the south, that Eazy E did with NWA for
the west. He's paving way for the south to come up, you may not like
Master P, but you got to respect what he's doing with this DOWN SOUTH
HUSTLERS and WEST COAST BAD BOYZ shit. He'z pavin a way for other MCs
from lesser known areas (even in the west, like sacremento) to make a come
up. For instance, how many people on the east know much about C BO,
Brotha Lynch Hung, or the Whoridas from the west?? P is trying to bring
them up. You may not like P as a rapper, but as a business man, he
deserves his props. And in my opinion, for hip hop's voice to be heard,
it needs big acts that are always in the pop spotlight, such as Pac was,
or Snoop. As long as those artists are true to hip hop, they will throw
the ideas in the hip hop culture, out in mainstream, and thats better than
being just not heard. We will always have artists like Master P, who rap
about whatever's popular(im not sayin master p just does that cuz its
popular, but i am sayin it is popular) however dont sleep on a whole
region becuase of one artist. I mean, personally i am a Master P fan, and
i respect him for his business abilities. You just have to open up your
mind, request some hip hop thats out of a different region....no matter
what region you may reside.
Oh by the way, back to the topic, i think, at least with sales that hip
hop is making a comeback in 97. We got Puffy, who'll go multi platinum,
Biggie already has, Snoop will also. And in terms of quality, EPMD and
Public Enemy are scheduled to be returning, as well as Rakim on the solo
tip. That if nothing else, ought to be worth while.
Peace,
Jason D
PS dont email me at AOL, Email your comments at mrj...@juno.com
BUGGZY415
Oh, my bad. Hadnt read your revision yet.
BUGGZY415
>>I seriously doubt only .1 percent
of the west coast heard "If I Ruled the World".<<
You misread his comment. He says that he bet 99.9% of the West Coast hadnt
heard of Nas BEFORE "If I Ruled the World" came out.
known universe
rai...@swbell.net (OverTIME) wrote:
>As far as album covers go, you wanna talk a walk back down memory lane
>and talk bout Treach with a Chainsaw or Mobb Deep with sickles, the RZA
>wit FANGS.....
>and countless otha assorted bustaz, marks, and sucka-types. Busterism has
>no locality.
A nice quote. There's been plenty of wack album covers to go around.
Check AZ's "Doe or Die" (hmmm...AZ is just as wack a name as E-40 or
B-Legit in my opinion, "Doe or Die" is a crazy wack album title, and
that album cover was mad, mad, mad cheap...see where I'm going with
this...) for a recent example. In hip-hop today, the album cover
isn't looked at as "cover art", but instead as "small promo poster".
In my opinion they should leave that job to the promo posters, but
hey, that's probably why I'm not a record exec.
>I told a dude this a long time ago, he couldn't believe it....
>
>The easiest way to END a party down this way is play an eastcoast record...
>
>Now, take a few deep breaths. I know its hard to believe.....
Now, is that just because it's from the east coast, or is it just
aesthetics? I can see how most parties couldn't jam to an east coast
record just because 90% of them have about as much dancefloor appeal
as "Come Clean". Don't get me wrong, they're fat, but not the right
vibe to seriously rock a party or club. Like the women want to get
down to Jeru, or the RZA, Gang Starr or Mobb Deep. I mean, come on.
As a side note, the one thing the people don't give a guy like Puffy
credit for is bringing the dancefloor factor back to the forefront in
hip-hop production. The reason why he sells a truckload is because
beats like "Hypnotize" get asses on the floor, period. Practically
all the hip-hop groups out there have gone off on their little
"hardness" trips, their "darkness" trips, their "abstract" trips, or
their "intellectual consciousness" trips. Who the hell wants to dance
to Wu-Tang? Nobody. They only sell because they have that
established fan base, like Tupac did. So while everyone else is off
doing their own little "progressive" thing, Puff brings out beats that
make the party move (what hip-hop is all about at its core) and
everybody's up in arms about it. Makes me think that they strayed
away from their responsibilities a little bit, and then got salty when
Puff showed them what it was all about, really. Not that I'm
completely defending Puff, but I think people just jump on that guy
irrationally. If anything, Puff has shown the hip-hop world that you
can sell a lot of records without being a contemporary N.W.A. but I
digress...
>Like i said in my original post...99.9% of folks down this way had neva
>even heard on Nas when 'If i ruled the world' came out.
No surprise. Illmatic would be very regional in appeal. I mean, one
of the songs is "New York State of Mind". 'nuff said.
From the South though, it does seem that there's one OutKast for every
ten Master P's. What are some other artists out there on the same
vibe as those guys?
jonathan swift 1997
"dropping lines like the classes you failed/trying to fit
the mass' ideal of education/no more than assimilation/
stagnation of creation/so i react like this/take out my pen
and cross'em off from the top of the list..."
Jonathan Dean Ripp
known universe (jlin...@julian.uwo.ca) wrote:
: As a side note, the one thing the people don't give a guy like Puffy
: credit for is bringing the dancefloor factor back to the forefront in
: hip-hop production.
Why not bring back breaking then? Thats the true hip-hop dancing. Not
this MC Hammer on Crack dancing that Puff does in his videos. Back in the
day (re 80's) you could have jams where people just danced & the b-boys
can get down with. Now, they're completely out of the frame with all of
these dance/club type beats.
Ripp
OverTIME
In article <33dabf5b...@newshost.uwo.ca>, jlin...@julian.uwo.ca
(known universe) wrote:
> rai...@swbell.net (OverTIME) wrote:
> >I told a dude this a long time ago, he couldn't believe it....
> >
> >The easiest way to END a party down this way is play an eastcoast record...
>
> Now, is that just because it's from the east coast, or is it just
> aesthetics?
Their musical production styles for the most part. Plus, alot of
eastcoast-styled groups get caught up in 'lyricality' and the lyrics
overpower the actually musicality of the song. (i.e. the BEAT) This is
cool if you have that type of voice to dance wit the song and actually be
anotha beat in the track, but most mc's dont and try to fit too much into
too lil space.
You caint dance to a song if all you hear is some mc gabbin'. Now, dont
get me wrong, iappreciate lyrics & freestylabilty just as much as the next
man...
People like to DANCE and PARTY down this way. 4REAL. anywhere anytime(Not
that they dont everywhere else) I'm sure if i wanted to, i could eat
bar-b-que or crawfish at least 3 times week for free. That's why
different types of music (zydeco, bass, bounce, blues) is just as popular
as mainstream hip-hop.
Clubbin' is a BIG thang to people Down South becuz many live in rural
areas and drive distances to the nearest 'kick it' spot. (This includes
Houston itself, its 110 miles in diameter around the 610 loop) And i
garawn-tee, nobody's fittin to drive 60 miles to hear only lyrics. Which
also means LOADS/RIDES/SLABS are popular. People like to go cruisin' just
like in Kali.
"In Houston they Elbows in Kali they Daytons!"
The same pop-friendly hip-hop (Puff, Missy, Foxxy Brown, Jay-Z, Fugees,
etc.) gets play on the radio here. BUT, alot of otha REGIONAL music does
also.
Meaning I'll hear Botany Boyz or Lil KeKe on the radio before i hear De La
Soul or CommonSense.
> I can see how most parties couldn't jam to an east coast
> record just because 90% of them have about as much dancefloor appeal
> as "Come Clean". Don't get me wrong, they're fat, but not the right
> vibe to seriously rock a party or club. Like the women want to get
> down to Jeru, or the RZA, Gang Starr or Mobb Deep.
Exactly.
> I mean, come on.
> As a side note, the one thing the people don't give a guy like Puffy
> credit for is bringing the dancefloor factor back to the forefront in
> hip-hop production. The reason why he sells a truckload is because
> beats like "Hypnotize" get asses on the floor, period. Practically
> all the hip-hop groups out there have gone off on their little
> "hardness" trips, their "darkness" trips, their "abstract" trips, or
> their "intellectual consciousness" trips. Who the hell wants to dance
> to Wu-Tang? Nobody. They only sell because they have that
> established fan base, like Tupac did. So while everyone else is off
> doing their own little "progressive" thing, Puff brings out beats that
> make the party move
> **(what hip-hop is all about at its core)**
Exactly. (except the 2pac part, but that's anotha story...& WU has more
validity than people SEE)
Positive Energy Activates Constant Elelvation
I'm Bout IT.
LIVE in IT or REST IN IT.
ITS YOUR CHOICE. 4REAL.
> everybody's up in arms about it. Makes me think that they strayed
> away from their responsibilities a little bit, and then got salty when
> Puff showed them what it was all about, really. Not that I'm
> completely defending Puff, but I think people just jump on that guy
> irrationally.
THAT'S whut being a PLAYA-HATER is. Cuz if you ask them, most couldnt
give you a REAL reason why Puff aint hip-hop. But they steady trippin &
talkin shit bout him.
We ALL know Puff is on the radio&tv 24-7.(Now, if you want to talk bout
the REAL problem, somebody ENLIGHTEN us as to why there is Oversaturation
in mainstream radio & video, when so many great artists from all over who
have the potential to be forces in the hip-hop universe get NO PLAY--when
we have our 'so-called' hip-hop folks doin these shows?)
We ALL also know Puff aint exactly Rakim on the mic.
I could see if people criticized him for marketing BIG's death...
> From the South though, it does seem that there's one OutKast for every
> ten Master P's. What are some other artists out there on the same
> vibe as those guys?
>
>
> jonathan swift 1997
Now, personally, i am a self-proclaimed GANGSTA RAP expert.
I know of many hip-hop groups, but my personal favorites are the
g-rappers, becuz the message in this music has been misinterpreted for so
long by the hip-hop media that they have created a HUGE pool of
stereotypes and divisions within the music and its creators, which inturn
HAS actually influenced the POLITICAL climate of this country. (Becuz the
mainstream media gets its information from the 'so-called' experts in the
hip-hop media.) People dont REALLY Overstand to whut degree i am speaking
on:
example: Picture a young BlackMan with PLATTS. I garawn-tee almost
subconsciously most people see a CRIMINAL. This has been CREATED by the
mainstream media. 'TRUTH' follows BELIEF.
People didnt just start wearing PLATTS. They've been doing this for CENTURIES.
Thangz like THIS need to be DISPELLED. That's why artists like Eightball
& MJG WEAR platts, and CEE-LO wearz 'A Mouth FULLA Gold Teeth!...'
It has got so bad, that alot of artists Down South wont even talk to the
media for interviews, etc.
Plus, to be an 'expert' on something means you have to have a thorough
knowledge base on the subject, and hip-hop is so large now that its
impossible to 'keep up' with EVERY artist who comes out. And once again,
g-rap is my PERSONAL perference.
The eastcoatcentric already have a number media outlets, which is why i
dont really talk bout eastcoast groups too much. Also most hip-hop media
on the west coast is eastcentric as well, even though they do promote many
west artists.
Too me, OutKast and Master P often say exactly same thangs in their music.
So i'm not exactly sure of the 'vibe' you speak on...cuz it aint all bout
pimpin hoez & slammin Cadillac doez...BUT that its part of it though ;)
Plus, alot of the artists that are out down this way probably dont get
released in the east. I know for a fact that it doesnt get released in the
west all the time, but i'm workin on that as we speak. (One of my potnaz
C-Locc took a gang of DJ SCREW tapes out to LA in June, people ate them
up)
Here's a list some of my favorites (old & new)
you should be able to find most of them
CRIME BOSS- ITS ALL IN THE GAME. CB's 1st lp is a ug classic round dese parts
I got potnas who still have this tape in their rides to this day
POINTBLANK- N DA DO' -Get past all the gangsta ish & LISTEN. PB is the
Southern equivalent to RedMan, except he's REALLY down wit the RED from
Chicago....
UGK (UnderGroundKingz) Any of their albums. UGK is Pimp C & Bun B from
Port Arthur, aka SHORT TEXAS. (That's cuz a bunch of the people there are
short in height, ereybody always jokes its becuz of all the refineries
down there...hmmm)
I would put Bun B lyrically equal to ANY mc out there PERIOD.
There music just gets betta and betta.
"I keep a BOOT in my mouth just in case you niggaz aint HEARD of me!" -Pimp C
Eighball & MJG--You probably heard of them, they became media friendly
just cuz they are THAT tight. The best duo in hip-hop, pound fo pound
outside of OutKast.
Both have upcomin solo projects and have performed collaborations with
many Southern artists. (UGK, GooDIEM.O.B., Master P, Breed)
Not on a freestyle vibe but lyrical...a la OutKast
maine...this post is gettin too long...
here's some more..holla if you want some otha titles.
20-2-Life (Inmate Records)
Lil Keke (JamDown, they are blow'n up BIG)
SUAVE HOUSE
PKO
KottonMouth
Southern Mafia
Street Military
Trinity Garden Cartel
Big Mike
PSK-13
Mystikal (Nola)
Any SCARFACE or GETO BOYS
4DEEP
Skinny Pimp (Memphis)
380
Botany Boys (H-town)
Pimp-A-Hustle-INMATE compilation
Kock-D-Zel-Dreams 2 Reality (My sleeper hit of the year)
For Southern hip-hop artists on otha vibes holla at Kari Orr fellow Texan,
hip-hop dj and overall hip-hop expert from the house of phat beats camp
especially on the 92+ era, i.e. the era of the lyricists.
Holla at Ollie for the Westside perspective, Yay Area, but othawise same
as above.
Akiem Allah for the ATL
STR8GIN for Memphis
Spirit for DC & NOLA
Shang for FL
and anybody else in the South or outside the east who feel they know their
hip-hop.
But YOU be the judge....
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T. Tauri
known universe wrote:
> There's been plenty of wack album covers to go around.
> Check AZ's "Doe or Die" (hmmm...AZ is just as wack a name as E-40 or
> B-Legit in my opinion, "Doe or Die" is a crazy wack album title, and
> that album cover was mad, mad, mad cheap...see where I'm going with
> this...) for a recent example. In hip-hop today, the album cover
> isn't looked at as "cover art", but instead as "small promo poster".
> In my opinion they should leave that job to the promo posters, but
> hey, that's probably why I'm not a record exec.
Yeah, why IS someone complaining about regional covers when they
consistently suck every-damn-where? ARE there good covers? I can't think
of too many.
> Like the women want to get down to Jeru, or the RZA, Gang Starr or
> Mobb Deep.
Not like I'd expect to play a whole night of that stuff, but it wouldn't
be too hard to keep a crowd moving with "Physical Stamina" or "D.
Original" or "Shook Ones Pt. II." And Gang Starr have had plenty of
songs you can move to. Most recently, I remember "DWYCK" going down very
well. Maybe not much of RZA's stuff though.
Peece,
T. Tauri
OverTIME
>
> From the South though, it does seem that there's one OutKast for every
> ten Master P's. What are some other artists out there on the same
> vibe as those guys?
>
>
> jonathan swift 1997
>
> "dropping lines like the classes you failed/trying to fit
> the mass' ideal of education/no more than assimilation/
> stagnation of creation/so i react like this/take out my pen
> and cross'em off from the top of the list..."
> >>Tell me ONE good OR famous rapper that came out of the Southside
SOME RANDOM PLAYAS RESPONDED:
pushe...@aol.com (Pushermat1) wrote:
> Scarface = Good and Famous
> Big Mike = Good and Almost as famous
> Eightball & MJG = Good & Famous
>
> Then as far as the good rappers go you got:
> Mad One
> 3rd Dimension
> Seeds of Soul
> Mad Flava
> Odd Squad
> Rawlow B
> Cents Da Weedhead
> Tela, a lil bit famous
> Maadhouse
> Big Mello
> Fliponya
> Master P = Good and Very Famous
> Willie Dee = Good and Famous
> Lez Mone
> SPL
> Epatomed
>
> too many more to list, shiiiiiittt, anyone else got some names to add for
> this herb?
>
> PEACE
> pusherman matt stonedalla
UGK
PKO
POINTBLANK
Born2wice
380
TGC
Crime Boss
Outkast
GooDIEM.O.B
SouthCircle
Aggravated
Lil KeKe
Botany Boyz
Mystikal
UNLV
ACE-DUECE
DJ DMD
20-2-LIFE
BAM
FESU
3-2
DJ SCREW
PSK-13
Wreckless Klan
Coop MC
J DAWG
Kock D Zel
Do or Die (They're on Rap-a-lot)
Lil $lim
Nola
KnuckleHeadz
The Scientists
C-Locc
Criminal Elament
Mia X
Mac
Skinny Pimp.....
Skull Dugrey
--OverTIME
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Example
Livewire aka M'Phatigo
T-Wrekz
Tabu
D-Ology
Leaf
D-Lite
Plifedis Nation
Ill Foundation
Big Mello
Mirage
Bavu/Reelaktz
Street Military
Tee Double
Shortfuze
Kingz of Philosophy
Makai/Relief
T.A.P.
Oblique
Jag
Ill Regular
Lil' Keke
Terrorists
Mr. Mike
Shabazz 3
Blunthouse
Stay UP!!
Tyler Beam
T. Tauri wrote:
>
> known universe wrote:
>
> > Like the women want to get down to Jeru, or the RZA, Gang Starr or
> > Mobb Deep.
>
> Not like I'd expect to play a whole night of that stuff, but it wouldn't
> be too hard to keep a crowd moving with "Physical Stamina" or "D.
> Original" or "Shook Ones Pt. II." And Gang Starr have had plenty of
> songs you can move to. Most recently, I remember "DWYCK" going down very
> well. Maybe not much of RZA's stuff though.
>
> Peece,
> T. Tauri
Yeah I was just about to say the same thing. Who says you can't get
down to "Come Clean" (maybe sped up just a bit)? I know I would. Oh
and for the RZA, I think "Method Man" would still get people hyped
around here.
TB
Steve 'Flash' Juon
OverTIME wrote:
> Do or Die (They're on Rap-a-lot)
That doesn't mean that they're not from Chicago. I'm pretty sure
your point was rappers from the South, not labels from the South.
All these other rappers seem to be, anyway.
Peace, Flash
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or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu
In article
<raiseup-2908...@ppp-207-193-10-159.hstntx.swbell.net>,
rai...@swbell.net (OverTIME) wrote:
> Their musical production styles for the most part. Plus, alot of
> eastcoast-styled groups get caught up in 'lyricality' and the lyrics
> overpower the actually musicality of the song. (i.e. the BEAT) This is
> cool if you have that type of voice to dance wit the song and actually be
> anotha beat in the track, but most mc's dont and try to fit too much into
> too lil space.
> You caint dance to a song if all you hear is some mc gabbin'. Now, dont
> get me wrong, iappreciate lyrics & freestylabilty just as much as the next
> man...
OT, nice to see you getting up a little more.
but on the lyrical tip, we southerners appreciate it, like
everyone else does, but there is a time and place for it.
I've seen enough freestyle ciphers, dirty south style,
to know that people appreciate tight braggadocio
lyrics no matter what style of music you listen to. But we
don't have honeys on the side dancing to the rhymes. Maybe
they do in brooklyn or the bronx, but i really doubt it.
When you throw a party or anything down here, you want people
to dance and in general be sociable.
> The same pop-friendly hip-hop (Puff, Missy, Foxxy Brown, Jay-Z, Fugees,
> etc.) gets play on the radio here. BUT, alot of otha REGIONAL music does
> also.
> Meaning I'll hear Botany Boyz or Lil KeKe on the radio before i hear De La
> Soul or CommonSense.
that's true for Houston, i'll vouch for it, but lets say you went a little
north and west, to San Antonio, De la Soul will sneak into the mix
more often than PKO (which to me is playa hating. Why support
some outsiders, when you got people at home starving for attention)
> We ALL know Puff is on the radio&tv 24-7.(Now, if you want to talk bout
> the REAL problem, somebody ENLIGHTEN us as to why there is Oversaturation
> in mainstream radio & video, when so many great artists from all over who
> have the potential to be forces in the hip-hop universe get NO PLAY--when
> we have our 'so-called' hip-hop folks doin these shows?)
hmm interesting point.
> For Southern hip-hop artists on otha vibes holla at Kari Orr fellow Texan,
> hip-hop dj and overall hip-hop expert from the house of phat beats camp
> especially on the 92+ era, i.e. the era of the lyricists.
yeah, you promo getting dj's should be looking for
the K-otix, Example, Epatomed, Jd and Livewire, and the Third Dimension.
Shabbaz 3
But in every song from said artist, they big up where they are from
With the K-otix and Example they talk about houston, and the stuff
we go through. Shabbaz 3 Epatomed hits up dallas, 3-D has a lot
to say about SA town. Everyone of them represents the dirty south,
but not necessarily trying to do it like Master P or Outkast, but
to quote OT, we are all Family.
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jonathan swift
"T. Tauri" <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Not like I'd expect to play a whole night of that stuff, but it wouldn't
>be too hard to keep a crowd moving with "Physical Stamina" or "D.
>Original" or "Shook Ones Pt. II." And Gang Starr have had plenty of
>songs you can move to. Most recently, I remember "DWYCK" going down very
>well. Maybe not much of RZA's stuff though.
I agree. It all depends on the crowd, and as a DJ you always have to
know your crowd to squeeze all you can out of them. But all things
being equal, I think the average club crowd would respond to Puffy's
songs rather than any of those you mentioned, and that's why he sells
so well. The people buggin out over Physical Stamina are 180degrees
away from those cheering for Can't Hold Me Down...although I bet a lot
of those hardcore b-boys know the words to Puffy's song but would
never admit it. How could they not? It's everywhere.
jonathan swift
jonathan swift
ri...@wam.umd.edu (Jonathan Dean Ripp) wrote:
>Why not bring back breaking then? Thats the true hip-hop dancing. Not
>this MC Hammer on Crack dancing that Puff does in his videos. Back in the
>day (re 80's) you could have jams where people just danced & the b-boys
>can get down with. Now, they're completely out of the frame with all of
>these dance/club type beats.
Most MC's only have breaking in their videos as a testament to how
"real" they are anyways. It's often just their way of saying, "Hey,
look at me, I'm a real hip-hopper. I have all the four elements in my
video. And look, behind me there's a mural or something that says my
name, and it's all written in weird writing that's hard to understand.
Some guy that the record company hired spray painted it on the wall."
Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but with most videos I just find the
breaking pretty patronizing. When N.W.A. was large, NOBODY, and I
mean NOBODY, would be caught dead with breakers in their videos. Then
about 1993, when groups like Whodini were trying to make comebacks and
there was this big old school revival, all of a sudden all these
rappers were calling up Crazy Legs to do a video. It was all so
contrived.
In the 80's, damn near everything was aimed for the club scene,
because there really was nothing else as far as hip-hop was concerned.
Rocking the crowd was first and foremost. Then Public Enemy released
"A Nation of Millions" and that basically went down the tubes. "Yo!
Bumrush the Show" at least had a song like "Rightstarter" that was
kind of hyped/clubby. But "A Nation of Millions" was all more slower
songs, darker songs. Not really meant for dancing.
It's like back in the days, hip-hop was all about the beats and very
little about the lyrics. Now it's out at the other extreme, where
it's all about the lyrics and very little about the beats. Neither
extreme is good in my opinion.
Steve 'Flash' Juon
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> north and west, to San Antonio, De la Soul will sneak into the mix
> more often than PKO (which to me is playa hating. Why support
> some outsiders, when you got people at home starving for attention)
And tell me WHY this is playa hating? Does this mean that if I don't
listen to K.N.O.Wonder, Kory D, and MC Breed 24-7 that I'm playa hating
on the Midwest? I love my doggs in the mid but I listen to whatever's
hot WHEREVER it's from. I've never been one for that coastal or
regional bullshit.
Peace, Flash
(my apoligizes if this post repeats, I had newsreader trouble)
Steve 'Flash' Juon
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> north and west, to San Antonio, De la Soul will sneak into the mix
> more often than PKO (which to me is playa hating. Why support
> some outsiders, when you got people at home starving for attention)
Why is it playa hating to not play something from your own area?
Shit, if I don't bump K.N.O.Wonder, Kory D, and MC Breed 24-7
does that mean I'm playa hating on the midwest? Fuck that. I
love my doggs in the mid, but I'm gonna play what I want when I
want and put in the mix whatever I think is good -- I'm not and
I never have been the type to play records for where they come
from. You either good or you suck, regardless of your origin
and home state.
Peace, Flash
Jeffrey Goldman
jonathan swift wrote:
>
> "T. Tauri" <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Not like I'd expect to play a whole night of that stuff, but it
>> wouldn't be too hard to keep a crowd moving with "Physical Stamina"
>> or "D. Original" or "Shook Ones Pt. II." And Gang Starr have had
>> plenty of songs you can move to. Most recently, I remember "DWYCK"
>> going down very well. Maybe not much of RZA's stuff though.
>
> I agree. It all depends on the crowd, and as a DJ you always have to
> know your crowd to squeeze all you can out of them. But all things
> being equal, I think the average club crowd would respond to Puffy's
> songs rather than any of those you mentioned, and that's why he sells
> so well. The people buggin out over Physical Stamina are 180degrees
> away from those cheering for Can't Hold Me Down...although I bet a lot
> of those hardcore b-boys know the words to Puffy's song but would
> never admit it. How could they not? It's everywhere.
To continue the saga: I agree that a club crowd would likely respond
better to Puffy than Jeru right now, but, again, I think a lot of that
is tied up with the brand recognition factor, both for the
pro-Puffy/anti-Jeru heads and the pro-Jeru/anti-Puffy ones. Would
"Revenge of the Prophet" or "Scientfical Madness" seem any less
danceable than "The Rain" to someone unfamiliar with either? OK, maybe
Jeru's lyrics make this a little more unlikely, but still, those are
good beats to move to (nicer still if you had an instrumental to extend
them). Anyway, I'm just trying to say that there's plenty of songs with
more quality than "Can't Hold Me Down" that are perfectly danceable,
even more danceable. But due to the recognition factor, people are
prepared to dance to Puffy, but not used to treating Jeru as dance
material, and so, hesitant to groove to it. But given a little warming
up, I imagine a crowd could get into them. Like, Prince Paul's "Vexual
Healing" worked pretty good for me recently--and that's pretty left of
center.
Peece,
T. Tauri
OverTIME
> or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> > north and west, to San Antonio, De la Soul will sneak into the mix
> > more often than PKO (which to me is playa hating. Why support
> > some outsiders, when you got people at home starving for attention)
> And tell me WHY this is playa hating? Does this mean that if I don't
> listen to K.N.O.Wonder, Kory D, and MC Breed 24-7 that I'm playa hating
> on the Midwest? I love my doggs in the mid but I listen to whatever's
> hot WHEREVER it's from. I've never been one for that coastal or
> regional bullshit.
>
> Peace, Flash
>
No, he explained himself right after he said it. Songs (non-big
distribution projects) spread REGIONALLY by word of mouth and people
travelling, hearing the song (a DJ like himself plays it) and going back
home and telling people bout it. After enough people request the song from
radio & clubs in the bordering regions (which is why headz like Kari, Les,
Oli, & Aztec are so important) distributors try to get the music sold in
that region thru promoters. Often its very hard becuz most of the smaller
labels just dont have the contacts in certain markets becuz of
geographical distance. De La already has national recognition, PKO really
doesnt.
So whut he's saying is that De La & PKO both get love, but you gotta
support a LOCAL, the home-team first. Becuz you wouldnt know whut wuz hot
here unless somebody from here told somebody he told somebody who
tells/shows you.
Plus, its a Dirty South thang......
PKO really dont make many radio friendly tracks anywayz.
But the G'z appreciate it...that's LOVE
Stay UP!!
OverTIME
OverTIME
Hey ya'll i got a question, and i want to start anotha thread...
the topic: The Freestyle Cyph3r
Please look 4 it and respond...
Stay UP!!
OverTIME
Steve 'Flash' Juon
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> And that is what happens in Houston and San Antonio, college
> and community radio all over the nation. many media outlets
> here in Texas, don't support their own, when they
> are in the best position to do so.
I don't "support my own", I support HIP-HOP. If the Midwest is
making bullshit, then I'm not gonna play the Midwest. If Texas
is putting out K-Otix and Da Odd Squad, then that's what I'll play.
If the West is putting out Ras Kass and Blak Forest, that's what
I'm going to play. Simply put, FUCK MY LOCAL. If they can't make
some shit good enough to elevate the level of hip-hop, too bad.
I'm not going to put on another "getting money, getting cash,
getting the ass" crew just because they're from Chi or Minneapolis.
Peace, Flash
> peace
> k. orr
> house of phat beats
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or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu
In article <33DF91...@pobox.com>,
> or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> > north and west, to San Antonio, De la Soul will sneak into the mix
> > more often than PKO (which to me is playa hating. Why support
> > some outsiders, when you got people at home starving for attention)
>
> Why is it playa hating to not play something from your own area?
lets say you have a 2 hour show, and you are playing what you
consider, and probably generally considered to be good hip hop,
do you play that local crew making good hip hop music, or
do you play some crew that isn't local but still makes good hip
hop music?
which one will help/inform your audience about hip hop more?
Is it bad to not inform your audience about what is locally
being produced?
> Shit, if I don't bump K.N.O.Wonder, Kory D, and MC Breed 24-7
> does that mean I'm playa hating on the midwest?
If you're already playing snoop, dre, tupac, and the geto boys
and your audience is expecting hip hop along those lines,
then yes you are.
If you're more on the tribe/wu/hiero/company flow that flavor
I should expect you would give rubberroom, judgemental, all natural
and common precendence, over the beatnuts, saafir et cetera, all
things being equal of course.
And that is what happens in Houston and San Antonio, college
and community radio all over the nation. many media outlets
here in Texas, don't support their own, when they
are in the best position to do so.
peace
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu
In article <33E160...@pobox.com>,
dj.f...@pobox.com wrote:
> I don't "support my own", I support HIP-HOP. If the Midwest is
> making bullshit, then I'm not gonna play the Midwest. If Texas
> is putting out K-Otix and Da Odd Squad, then that's what I'll play.
> If the West is putting out Ras Kass and Blak Forest, that's what
> I'm going to play. Simply put, FUCK MY LOCAL. If they can't make
> some shit good enough to elevate the level of hip-hop, too bad.
I've got a huge problem with this. If you don't put your
locals on, how are you supporting hip hop.
> I'm not going to put on another "getting money, getting cash,
> getting the ass" crew just because they're from Chi or Minneapolis.
>
> Peace, Flash
Fundamental difference here. For me, Local is above all else
all things being equal.
If i'm playing nothing but some straight g-rap, Texas will get
more representation than anywhere else.
If i'm playing standard college radio rap, I will represent
Texas, and then the south as much as possible.
(anyone got that Ghetto Mafia record and they are willing
to part with it?)
I think you're talking about, playing a hiero cut vs Kory D.
which is not the issue i'm referring to(although a good
conversation to begin with)
Would you play Kory D, or anything along those lines to begin
with Flash?
Is that what your listeners are expecting?
Is that the format of your show?
Hypothetical situation.
But if it is the end of your show, the last 4 minutes,
and you just opened up a promo package, and you have a
song featuring common sense, and another song featuring
hieroglyphics. Who Would you play?
If I were in the Midwest, Common would go on this week,
and I'd hit hiero up next week.
T. Tauri
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
>
> In article <33E160...@pobox.com>,
> dj.f...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> > I don't "support my own", I support HIP-HOP. If the Midwest is
> > making bullshit, then I'm not gonna play the Midwest. If Texas
> > is putting out K-Otix and Da Odd Squad, then that's what I'll play.
> > If the West is putting out Ras Kass and Blak Forest, that's what
> > I'm going to play. Simply put, FUCK MY LOCAL. If they can't make
> > some shit good enough to elevate the level of hip-hop, too bad.
>
> I've got a huge problem with this. If you don't put your
> locals on, how are you supporting hip hop.
I dunno. Like, I'm not guilty that my car is Japanese, because it's a
fine piece of machinery, and if an American car doesn't satisfy my needs
as well, then I'm not going to choose it. Same with hip-hop: I'll go
with the stuff that's most interesting to me and satisfies me the most.
I play a fair amount of "trip-hop" (not that I appreciate the term) or
"instrumental hip-hop", but I don't bump the local "illbient" product
because it doesn't move me as much as some of the British or West Coast
releases. But they have a good amount of local support which tend to let
them put out more of the same and not challenge themselves as much to
reach people outside of that circle. That's not what I want to
encourage. I like to support the local (I'm pleased as punch to see NJ
or DC heads make it) but only insofar as what it offers is something I
can get behind with reasonable honesty, and, as a DJ, only insofar as
what I'm doing is providing people with something distinctive (if
everyone's playing "Day One" to death, that's not what I'm going to be
doing). Ultimately, I just tend to go from one song to the next based on
what mixes the smoothest (in a choice between Hiero and Common, THAT
would be the defining factor).
Peece,
T. Tauri
jonathan swift
Jeffrey Goldman <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>To continue the saga: I agree that a club crowd would likely respond
>better to Puffy than Jeru right now, but, again, I think a lot of that
>is tied up with the brand recognition factor, both for the
>pro-Puffy/anti-Jeru heads and the pro-Jeru/anti-Puffy ones. Would
>"Revenge of the Prophet" or "Scientfical Madness" seem any less
>danceable than "The Rain" to someone unfamiliar with either? OK, maybe
Hmm, probably in a club atmosphere no. I mean, if you're in the
groove, you're in the groove no matter what the DJ puts on the wheels
(although I think Revenge of the Prophet is a bad example...it's
completely undanceable to me and warrants a quick fast forward
whenever I hear it). The problem is, you can't separate the
recognition factor. Most people in a club would be more likely to
bump to Missy just because it's bound to be more familiar. People
wouldn't leave their seats to get on the floor if you put on
"D.Original" at the start of a set...it's more of something you'd
buffer in between a popular and semi-popular track.
>them). Anyway, I'm just trying to say that there's plenty of songs with
>more quality than "Can't Hold Me Down" that are perfectly danceable,
No argument here, I totally agree. It's too bad the Puffy buyers
don't.
>even more danceable. But due to the recognition factor, people are
>prepared to dance to Puffy, but not used to treating Jeru as dance
>material, and so, hesitant to groove to it. But given a little warming
>up, I imagine a crowd could get into them. Like, Prince Paul's "Vexual
>Healing" worked pretty good for me recently--and that's pretty left of
>center.
So that begs the question, should hip-hop beats play to what the crowd
wants, or should the crowd adjust to the hip-hop beats? It's a
chicken or egg type of question. The beats should set trends, but
it's like one trend is set, then every following beat is similar and
that's what the crowd begins to expect. It's a vicious circle.
T. Tauri
jonathan swift wrote:
> So that begs the question, should hip-hop beats play to what the crowd
> wants, or should the crowd adjust to the hip-hop beats? It's a
> chicken or egg type of question. The beats should set trends, but
> it's like one trend is set, then every following beat is similar and
> that's what the crowd begins to expect. It's a vicious circle.
Yeah. But I think it's a circle that can be broken with a little skill,
thought, and confidence (I've met too many club/party DJs over the years
who are really insecure about what they play), although I think it's
probably harder now than it has been in the past. One problem I think is
that Puffy's really coming more from an R&B clubbing tradition (new jack
swing and all that) than a hip-hop one, so the whole vibe is kind of
different for dancing to those songs from what it is to, say, an old De
La club mix or Pete Rock and CL's chunky funk and crowds may have
difficulty accepting the connection. But it's not SO different as to
absolutely lock you into one or the other.
Which make me wonder: is the club/party DJ's talent being slept on too
much lately? I happened to see an old article recently where one of the
Skratch Piklz was kind of insulting us, saying that what we do isn't
creative. But I think that there's a lot of finesse and creativity
involved in mixing from one song to another, doing nice cuts and
crossfades where you wouldn't know another song had started, and finding
ways to move from beat to beat and style to style and still keep the
crowd moving and excited.
Peece,
T. Tauri
Eroul C.
I think it all varies on what type of dj you are.
If you play at a venue, fuck your locals, you gotta play what gets the
people on the floor, and that is tracks they know. The best tracks are
the ones that have memories attached to them, so you can't play
anything they haven't heard yet (unless it's a new cut from an
established artist).
But if you play at a radio-station, I don't see why you can't play
some of the local stuff. In fact, you MUST play some of the local
stuff, because if you don't do it, who will?
I'm not saying you have to dedicate your whole show to the locals,
but give'em a break once in a while, there must be heads that like
that shit, just because it's from their hood.
unless of course your local scene really sucks.
peace,
Eroul C.
Pushermat1
This post is in response to the thread that reacted to someone listing
Mobb Deep in a group of East Coast artists who he feels are wack.
Mobb Deep is dope, but people are tired of Mobb Deep at this point because
they are one dimensional. I liked the thrid album and shit, but I listened
to it like 10 times over the course of it's existence. It's really o.k.,
just kind of annoying.
I got a whole package full of No Limit Records the other day. I had "Ice
Cream Man" and the first "West Coast bad Boys" before and really wasn't
that impressed with Master P, but he, like many other southern rappers
have really come around as of late and the beats and rhymes on the latest
Master P stuff, ie: The TRU album and "I'm Bout It" soundtrack are tight
as hell. I think this shit is the bomb on the real and fools need to
recognize that the south is in the goddamn house and we're about to clean
it.
The south is the only place within hip hop where no bullshit is released
or tolerated. Straight real.
Seriously. Hip Hop is not making a come back in '97. It never left. While
the east and west coasts have been scrambling to find ways to get to "the
next level" (HIT POP) the south has been maintaining, working on skills
and coming with fat product that sells 10 times as much as the average
east coast release and 5 times as much as the average west coast release
while spending about 1/3rd of the money that these other fools be spending
on their corny promotions. Southern artists don't play themselves with
that silly shit. How can y'all not recognize this?
I know many of y'all only ever get to hear the singles that happen to make
it to the BOX and Rap City and shit, but this, like any other form of
music, is not the way to truly analyze a culture. Of course the media
outlets are only going to play the crap and the hype. You need to go
beyond all that, check for some real records and recognize the dirty
south.
PEACE
pusherman matt stonedalla
or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu
In article <33E284...@worldnet.att.net>,
"T. Tauri" <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> I dunno. Like, I'm not guilty that my car is Japanese, because it's a
> fine piece of machinery, and if an American car doesn't satisfy my needs
> as well, then I'm not going to choose it.
If you said you drove a porsche or a ferrari, i might agree with you, but
American vs Japanese, the case could be easily made you have been sold on
marketing not the product itself. But this isn't rec.automakers honda,
so we'll leave it.
>Same with hip-hop: I'll go
> with the stuff that's most interesting to me and satisfies me the most.
Interesting, what kind of dj'n do you do?
Radio dj's, have to constantly choose between satisfying themselves
and the listening public. Commercial radio dj's, do the latter,
and community/college radio are more apt to do the former.
Do you want people to accept the music in the harsh environment
you put it in, or do you want to bring them in slowly and nicely?
The unofficial house of phat beats approach is to play what
we like, and play what the general public likes, and try to
bring the 2 together. But this has nothing to do with the motivation
to play local hip hop.
> I play a fair amount of "trip-hop" (not that I appreciate the term) or
> "instrumental hip-hop", but I don't bump the local "illbient" product
> because it doesn't move me as much as some of the British or West Coast
> releases.
>But they have a good amount of local support which tend to let
> them put out more of the same and not challenge themselves as much to
> reach people outside of that circle.
Retry, Do you play things that you don't personally like?
>That's not what I want to
> encourage. I like to support the local (I'm pleased as punch to see NJ
> or DC heads make it) but only insofar as what it offers is something I
> can get behind with reasonable honesty, and, as a DJ, only insofar as
> what I'm doing is providing people with something distinctive
fundamental difference, i play, will play, have played material
that i really don't like, because i think it's important for my audience
to hear it. and i will play records i know they really hate, just
because they need to hear it. (yes this is imposing my view of hip hop
on others, i realize this to the fullest)
Like, take mic smokers by MR. Ill and Big Mike. Standard dirty
south production, that most of my listeners would cringe at hearing,
or at least not acknowledge to their friends that they enjoy it.
But mr. ill and Big Mike come off, on the mc'n tip. And in an
effort to break down the ideological, and in this city, racial,
barriers in hip hop, it's important that they hear it and recognize
that yes those low riding folks that listen to nothing but
booty shake and zydeco, have flows equivalent and greater than
what they normally consider dope.
a lot of heads down here, won't even begin to listen to something
if it remotely sounds southern(a lot like NYC heads won't peep
anything that is remotely western, solesides hiero ras kass)
organized noise, just started getting props from the standard
heads i run into. so many people didn't want to listen
to them, because of the singles, (players ball, southernplayalistic)
"that's that stereotypical playa ish" the idea that most
"heads" had. They were cast in that typical, ugk/getoboys, wannabee
nwa types candy rappers that aren't representing the real hip hop.
and it just recently (probably right after goodie mob's cell
therapy, a non standard southern beat) that people really began
to get into the "dirty south" referring to all the mc's from
the south, not just the No Limit types.
as we speak, mc's like big mike, bun b, mjg, et cetera, qualified
mc's, users of poetical complexity, and conveying provoking ideas,
et cetera, aren't even considered hip hop, to many "heads" down
here in the South(i'm not even talking nation wide)
Outkast and Goodie mob, don't really get the respect and props
they deserve from heads around the globe, as being mc's the
way that KRS is an mc. They might be those enlightened boys
from the south with a lot of positive things to say, but
most cats in naming their top ten mc's, will mention Q-tip
and not think Andre or Big Gipp(my fave out of the goodie)
it is almost an unspoken rule in the college radio hip hop nation
that the heads from the South and The West, that have their
record covers and advertisements done by Pen and Pixel(think
master P) can't and do not respect hip hop the way that the
alkaholiks, aceyalone, kool keith, shadow, sadat x, redman
respect hip hop. I know i can't convince the net, but
i can try with my own listeners.
but enough of my locale...
(if
> everyone's playing "Day One" to death, that's not what I'm going to be
> doing). Ultimately, I just tend to go from one song to the next based on
> what mixes the smoothest (in a choice between Hiero and Common, THAT
> would be the defining factor).
>
> Peece,
> T. Tauri
this argument really depends on your local. If you're in
downtown manhattan, playing your local is not a big priority.
but places outside of NYC, generally have two sets of
hip hop audiences, the nyc models of hip hop, and the non-nyc models
of hip hop.
peace
Jonathan Lindemann
"T. Tauri" <ea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Yeah. But I think it's a circle that can be broken with a little skill,
>thought, and confidence (I've met too many club/party DJs over the years
>who are really insecure about what they play), although I think it's
>probably harder now than it has been in the past. One problem I think is
>that Puffy's really coming more from an R&B clubbing tradition (new jack
>swing and all that) than a hip-hop one, so the whole vibe is kind of
>different for dancing to those songs from what it is to, say, an old De
>La club mix or Pete Rock and CL's chunky funk and crowds may have
>difficulty accepting the connection. But it's not SO different as to
>absolutely lock you into one or the other.
Personally, I feel that with De La and Pete Rock versus Puffy, in
order to dance to it you have to appreciate music in a broader sense.
Usually the people that will dance to De La will know _why_ the song
is fat (eg. being able to pick a sample or loop and compare it to
other songs in which the loop has been used, and compare) whereas many
Puffy fans will just say "It's fat, period". Puffy's clientele isn't
the rabid hip-hop fan that can say, "Yeah, that's the James Brown
"Payback" loop...I liked how it was used in so-and-so's song much
better." His fan is the girl or guy that just wants to shake their
ass. I can live with that, but I think too many DJs _make_ a living
off of that without taking a chance on some hip-hop. But you imply
that there's a definite split between R&B fans and hip-hop fans. Do
you think this is the case? To me, the two seem to be merging more
than ever these days.
>Which make me wonder: is the club/party DJ's talent being slept on too
>much lately? I happened to see an old article recently where one of the
>Skratch Piklz was kind of insulting us, saying that what we do isn't
>creative. But I think that there's a lot of finesse and creativity
>involved in mixing from one song to another, doing nice cuts and
>crossfades where you wouldn't know another song had started, and finding
>ways to move from beat to beat and style to style and still keep the
>crowd moving and excited.
I think that that type of "insult" is unwarranted. What need does a
club DJ have for being able to do flares? That's fat to watch at a
competition, but how many people do you see getting down to a DJ Swamp
set at a DMC? Club DJ's and Trick DJ's are two different beasts to
me, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Both can incorporate
creativity into their own fields, and neither really has the right to
step on the other's toes. Besides, in a club, half the time you can
barely even see the turntables from the dance floor anyways.
Skratch Piklz would be pretty biased anyways. I'm sure if you'd ask
them, they would think that if all you're doing is playing records on
your turntables, you're wasting your time.
Lindy
"Show me your friends and I'll show you your future."
T. Tauri
Jonathan Lindemann wrote:
> Personally, I feel that with De La and Pete Rock versus Puffy, in
> order to dance to it you have to appreciate music in a broader sense.
> Usually the people that will dance to De La will know _why_ the song
> is fat (eg. being able to pick a sample or loop and compare it to
> other songs in which the loop has been used, and compare) whereas many
> Puffy fans will just say "It's fat, period". Puffy's clientele isn't
> the rabid hip-hop fan that can say, "Yeah, that's the James Brown
> "Payback" loop...I liked how it was used in so-and-so's song much
> better."
Well I don't know if you have to be THAT down to enjoy "Say No Go"
or "It's Like That." :) I definitely wasn't. Hell, I'm STILL not.
Maybe it's just that since records like these offer the chance to
make comments like those, some people feel nervous about just liking
them without having "the full picture", the way some people can't
enjoy an art film unless they're able to know what it definitively
MEANS. Personally, I feel these guys are more like Hitchcock--easily
enjoyable on the surface but with other, subtler pleasures too.
> But you imply that there's a definite split between R&B fans and
> hip-hop fans. Do you think this is the case? To me, the two seem to
> be merging more than ever these days.
I totally agree, but it seems to me at least, that a lot of the
mergers are happening more on R&B's slick, programmed, and flashy
terms than hip-hop's raw, beat-breaking ones. Compare Aaliyah, say,
to Massive Attack's first album, which for me was an excellent
example of the merger going in the other direction. As I see it,
R&B tends to surround the voice harmonically (think of the chord
action going on in _What's Going On_ or Mary J's _My Life_) where
hip-hop keeps it on it's own, and so far I haven't seen a lot of
that in the songs that combine the two (particularly US attempts,
some UK heads--Smith & Mighty, Soul II Soul (I'm feeling a bit goofy
repeating these names so often in my posts, but f**k it, I like
'em)--have IMO had better luck, mostly I think due to their ties
to reggae sound systems).
> I think that that type of "insult" is unwarranted. What need does a
> club DJ have for being able to do flares? That's fat to watch at a
> competition, but how many people do you see getting down to a DJ Swamp
> set at a DMC? Club DJ's and Trick DJ's are two different beasts to
> me, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Both can incorporate
> creativity into their own fields, and neither really has the right to
> step on the other's toes. Besides, in a club, half the time you can
> barely even see the turntables from the dance floor anyways.
Thanks for the vote of confidence on that, Mr. Swift.
Peece,
T. Tauri
T. Tauri
kari orr wrote:
> If you said you drove a porsche or a ferrari, i might agree with you,
> but American vs Japanese, the case could be easily made you have been
> sold on marketing not the product itself. But this isn't
> rec.automakers honda, so we'll leave it.
Actually, it was mostly Consumer Reports.
>> Same with hip-hop: I'll go with the stuff that's most interesting to
>> me and satisfies me the most.
> Interesting, what kind of dj'n do you do?
> Radio dj's, have to constantly choose between satisfying themselves
> and the listening public. Commercial radio dj's, do the latter,
> and community/college radio are more apt to do the former.
I'm essentially a club/party dj--or at least that's where my
heart is at. Though for a variety of reasons I've had to ease
back on that since coming to the New York metro (for one thing,
Guiliani's anti-dancing crackdown has been particularly bad for
smaller venues where underground stuff could be played, for
another I DON'T want to play records I don't like). So at the
time being, I'll mostly do the occasional chill-out room, bar,
or more rarely guest slot in a proper club. I guess now I'm more
a DJ in spirit than actuality.
> Do you want people to accept the music in the harsh environment
> you put it in, or do you want to bring them in slowly and nicely?
Personally, I'd say somewhere in between. Like I'll use popular
stuff as a springboard into more obscure stuff, do sets of songs
where the rhythm is consistent or else do slow, slow crossfades so
it moves more or less gently from point a to point b, balance out
hard beats with more hook-y, accessible stuff. But I think sometimes
you just have to be forceful about it. It's sort of a "face"
thing--if I'm too willing to please, an audience will just take
advantage of that, and give respect to the songs they like but not
to me for spinning them, and hence not give my non-popular
selections any respect.
> The unofficial house of phat beats approach is to play what
> we like, and play what the general public likes, and try to
> bring the 2 together. But this has nothing to do with the motivation
> to play local hip hop.
A good plan, if a difficult one. Sort of something I try and do
myself to a lesser extent. As you say, though, the above
doesn't have as much to do with supporting the local as it
does with how we interact with our audiences, who our audiences
are, and how they interact with us.
> Retry, Do you play things that you don't personally like?
No, but I try to keep in mind that there are different contexts
for enjoyment, and I'll often play records in a club that I
wouldn't want to listen to at home, and vice versa. Plus, learning
the craft by playing house parties in DC, I developed a taste and
style based on hitting a pretty wide selection of music--go go,
dancehall, house, etc. Actually, as far as playing things I
don't personally like all that much as a way of supporting my
local, I'm pondering whether to do set of house music at a bar
here in Hoboken every other week, just because there's pretty
much nothing but bar rock here now and if I can provide some
contrast to THAT of any kind, why not? But at the same time,
do I really want to be spinning house music, since not playing
it anymore is something I'm pretty happy about (that was something
I started to hardline on as opposed to being nice and respectful of
my audience's desires after a while)? That's venue support, though.
> fundamental difference, i play, will play, have played material
> that i really don't like, because i think it's important for my
> audience to hear it. and i will play records i know they really hate,
> just because they need to hear it. (yes this is imposing my view of
> hip hop on others, i realize this to the fullest)
> a lot of heads down here, won't even begin to listen to something
> if it remotely sounds southern(a lot like NYC heads won't peep
> anything that is remotely western, solesides hiero ras kass)
> this argument really depends on your local. If you're in
> downtown manhattan, playing your local is not a big priority.
> but places outside of NYC, generally have two sets of
> hip hop audiences, the nyc models of hip hop, and the non-nyc models
> of hip hop.
Yeah, here it's the non-local that really lacks exposure. (Unless
it's sold through England: I saw Mo'Wax copies of DJ Shadow and
Blackalicious all over the place, but when I asked a store whose
main business is selling independents and underground about
getting Latyrx, they didn't even know what Solesides was.) Of course,
there are different audiences within New York, too: the alternative
crowd that know Dr. Octagon and DJ Shadow but don't know Diamond
or Mike Zoot; the skaters who probably know a little more, like Ras
Kass and Company Flow (and maybe Goodie Mob); the Hot 97 crowd; the
"strictly-New York" bunch (Mobb Deep, CnN, Wu, etc.); the fairly
well-versed; and the hardcore heads. Unfortunately, there's very
few resources for us to explore the music that's created outside
of the metro area, let alone promoting it to others.
Peece,
T. Tauri
T. Jordan (Shang)
I think that's one of the most-thought-provoking questions I've heard in
a long time..do you support the local simply because they're local? I
think that Flash is right. If they ain't on point, the don't get in the
joint. it's only tragic when GOOD local groups don't have a venue and
get lost in the mix, so to speak. If they ain't on point yet, then
they shouldn't be in the mix. maybe shooting for Flash's show will get
them to the point that a label can seriously consider them or that their
material will be played outside their area...
T. Tauri wrote:
>
> or...@weiss.che.utexas.edu wrote:
> >
> > In article <33E160...@pobox.com>,
> > dj.f...@pobox.com wrote:
> >
> > > I don't "support my own", I support HIP-HOP. If the Midwest is
> > > making bullshit, then I'm not gonna play the Midwest. If Texas
> > > is putting out K-Otix and Da Odd Squad, then that's what I'll play.
> > > If the West is putting out Ras Kass and Blak Forest, that's what
> > > I'm going to play. Simply put, FUCK MY LOCAL. If they can't make
> > > some shit good enough to elevate the level of hip-hop, too bad.
> >
> > I've got a huge problem with this. If you don't put your
> > locals on, how are you supporting hip hop.
>
> I dunno. Like, I'm not guilty that my car is Japanese, because it's a
> fine piece of machinery, and if an American car doesn't satisfy my needs
> as well, then I'm not going to choose it. Same with hip-hop: I'll go
> with the stuff that's most interesting to me and satisfies me the most.
> I play a fair amount of "trip-hop" (not that I appreciate the term) or
> "instrumental hip-hop", but I don't bump the local "illbient" product
> because it doesn't move me as much as some of the British or West Coast
> releases. But they have a good amount of local support which tend to let
> them put out more of the same and not challenge themselves as much to
> reach people outside of that circle. That's not what I want to
> encourage. I like to support the local (I'm pleased as punch to see NJ
> or DC heads make it) but only insofar as what it offers is something I
> can get behind with reasonable honesty, and, as a DJ, only insofar as
> what I'm doing is providing people with something distinctive (if
> everyone's playing "Day One" to death, that's not what I'm going to be
> doing). Ultimately, I just tend to go from one song to the next based on
> what mixes the smoothest (in a choice between Hiero and Common, THAT
> would be the defining factor).
>
> Peece,
> T. Tauri
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Steve 'Flash' Juon
And if Kari Orr lived in Iowa instead of the South, he'd say
"fuck my local" too -- because the scene here really sucks.
Now that's not to say some people don't cipher and freestyle
or that some MC's can't flow - and hell, De La Soul even did
a show here once at the Maintenance Shop. There's no support
network though; everything just happens at random for no reason.
Not to mention the student radio station is decidedly anti
hip-hop, especially in light of firing me (no modesty involved
when I say I was the best Urban Music Director they ever had).
The groups, those that do come out, have been generically bland,
with the possible exception of K.N.O.Wonder.
Peace, Flash
Ken1dra
I'm from D.C but I just move to Atlanta, Marietta actually and most of the
time when I turn on the radio I turn it back off. I listen to go-go, I'm a
hip-hop head and I love reggae, jazz, and all types of sh*t, I sing and
flow but something about the radio down here I just can't rock to it, and
what's up with the bootyshaker music?
lovechild
P.S. hip hop didn't die some people stopped listening.
ONEMANCLAN
Yeah i think it's great to dance and shit in the video but you can't get
more real then break dancing cause that is hip-hop.