canadian rap
nijjar
album, but Ghostface and Dr. Dre both had better albums this year. And how
has he changed rap? Jesus Christ, have you just been listening to rap for a
year? He's a nice rapper, but he is not the greatest, and his album is
hardly groundbreaking. Give me the new Outkast or Wu-Tang over him anyday.
His voice even gets annoying after a while (although improved from his last
album). Second of all, Canadian rap artists have a point. They have no
outlet for their music, because all the media outlets here are run by a
bunch of retarded redknecks who keep on pushing Britney Spears and Our Lady
Peace down our throats. We need an urban radio station. As for the artists
themselves, I'll admit Choclair's LP sucked, but Saukrates, the Rascalz and
Kardinal are all dope. I'd take their music over most american rap anyday.
All we need is to have one artist blow up, and a chain reatcion is sure to
follow. I'd put my money or Kardinal. He's got it all...flow, personality,
and creativity.
P.S. "There are no rap artists in Canada that can match the calibre of guys
like Eminem and Busta Rhymes"...Bust Rhymes??? Do you honestly believe that
this is a high standard for hip hop music? You've been watching too much
MuchMusic. He makes nice videos, but Busta hasn't had a decent song in a
while.....
Rick Nariani <narian...@home.com> wrote in message
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> All these Canadian rappers are complaining because they cant get any
airplay
> or any radio help. Maybe if their product was a little more marketable?
When
> a Canadian rap artist comes out with a decent single, they get played to
> death, why are they complaining? For example, Choclair, Lets Ride was
played
> to death. Rascalz and their numerous songs. There are no rap artists in
> Canada that can match the calibre of guys like Eminem and Busta Rhymes.
> There is just no basis for rap in Canada. Too many damn rednecks have
> stiffled the rap growth so there just isn't anything to talk about in
songs.
> Look at Maestro, quite possibly canada's biggest rapper (aint that some
sad
> shit?), what does he talk about? area codes and dancing. Lyrically the
> rappers have no basis for material, they just come off sounding like Nas.
> And as for flow, they have no flow. Choclair was supposed to be the great
> hope. But Ice Cold is a fuckin weak album. There are plenty of rock
artists
> who've made it big in the states (Bryan Adams, Our Lady Peace, Tragically
> Hip, Sarah Mclachlan), and why? because they appeal to people who are into
> the genre. I'm not going to buy a Rascalz album. I did buy Choclair and
> regret it. I'll consider Kardinal Offishal. Julie Black doesn't deserve
> attention... etc etc. Maybe if these artists were good, they would get
some
> attention. Canada's rap is too weak. Compared to the hot shit comin out of
> the states, we're at least 10 years behind. Look at the beats and the
> styles, it's too oldschool to fly today. Eminem changed rap with his new
> album, lyrically rappers will have to step up their game. Dre has awlays
> been setting new boundaries for beats, same with Timbaland and even DJ
Quik.
> Canada has no producers and weak rappers, and the result is god awful
music.
> Then these rappers come out all over the place complaining "we cant get
> radioplay... waah waah waah". Muchmusic tries to play indie rap artists,
but
> the music is just so bad, there is no heat being generated, therefore
> video's dont go into rotation. Thats just my take on it. Any other
Canadians
> in here have any comments?
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Aseop Da Visual Zodiac
with the record deal thing you were touchin. I agree with the promotion
you brung up. If you want to sell an album, promotion is the number one
thing that is goin to get you to that gold/platinum status you aim at,
or whatever status you want to gain. But I don't agree with the record
label speak you were on. Again, promotion is everything to most
mainstream artists. But with underground artists such as the one's you
named off, I think that if artists such as Choclair, Kardinal Offishall,
Swollen Members and the Raskalz get proper promotion, that they wouldn't
need the Interscope's, the Epic's, the Def Jam's, etc. Its all about
how you put yourself out there. And shit, sometimes you don't even need
that promotion (commercials, videos etc.), sometimes a magazine article,
a live show or a guest apperance can nail you a fanbase, you know? And
I do agree with the hook-ups cats get simply because you know a rapper
(e.g. No Limit), it happens a lot in the industry. But again, just
enough gets you a lot. If Choclair, Kardinal, MC Solaar (Germany),
Square One (Germany) and the rest ov emcees from elsewhere and all the
rest ov us comin up come correct, we'll be a'ight. Peace.
e-Factor
Rick Nariani
Mike Dodd
have complained is that the record industry up here is completely oblivious
as to how to handle them. The reason people such as Bryan Adams, Barenaked
Ladies, Shania Twain, Alanis Morrisette, etc. had the ability to branch out
into the states is that the record companies up here know how to handle and
market them. Alanis Morrisette and the Barenaked Ladies both began with
Canadian deals and were able to branch out due to proper promotion. Record
companies up here are just starting to create urban departments with
knowledgeable staff - that's why Choclair decided to sign with a Canadian
division of a major label...proper handling. Without being pushed to the
proper audience, it is impossible to succeed and the staff of most Canadian
labels don't know shit about urban. Without gaining an audience up here,
it's not easy to get American labels (or even radio stations) to pay you any
attention. Case in point - 93.7 out of Buffalo wouldn't touch Canadian hip
hop (claiming it was weak) until they got marketed properly up here.
Suddenly, Choclair, the Rascalz, etc. were all over the station even though
the music was exactly the same. It's all about promotion. Plus you have to
realize that despite Maestro's legend status in T.O., he kind of wrecked
things for future Canadian artists when he jumped to the US and didn't
succeed. No one was checking for Canada after that. Quietly, however, a
lot of strong emcees have developed up here and procured Canadian deals
which then segued into American deals. In particular, Choclair, Kardinal,
Saukrates, the Rascalz and Infinite will blow up if given the chance. You
have no right to complain about Canadian emcees complaining if you are
unaware of the atmosphere up here.
I happen to think that the Choclair album is one of the better of this year
beats wise (lots of unique producers up here, see Kardinal) and his live
show (particularly with Kardinal siding him) is terrific. Granted, the
lyrics aren't as tight as previous singles (re: 21 years). He still has mad
potential and shouldn't be judged on one album. Otherwise, most people
would think that Canibus was a terrible artist also...we all know otherwise.
Some artists do complain unnecessarily up here but some have a legitimate
beef. I've never heard Chocs or Kardinal complain though and they seem to
get frequent play down in the US. If you think about it, a lot of emcees
get their deals via friends regardless of their talent, no Canadian emcees
have such connections. How the hell do the Murderers get on before someone
talented? Connections, marketing, etc. You're entitled to your opinion of
course but you should perhaps gether some more info before reach a bold
conclusion based on surface arguments and word of mouth.
Peace, Mike Dodd
Rick Nariani wrote in message ...
Mike Dodd
we'll just have to agree to disagree. D-Sisive is pretty nice too but a
little to stylistically close to Eminem for my taste.
Mike
Michael Fthenos
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airplay
> or any radio help. Maybe if their product was a little more marketable?
thats not the point...in the states, you've got stations DEDICATED to
hiphop, that will put on a less commercial hiphop track...in canada, unless
your song is a genuine crossover hit, it won't get play...the artists have a
point
>When
> a Canadian rap artist comes out with a decent single, they get played to
> death, why are they complaining? For example, Choclair, Lets Ride was
played
> to death. Rascalz and their numerous songs. There are no rap artists in
> Canada that can match the calibre of guys like Eminem and Busta >Rhymes.
BUSTA??? What are you smoking? How about a group like Swollen Members....or
Mathematik, or Thrust, or Checkmate, or Kardinal, or K-OS, or Madlocks
> There is just no basis for rap in Canada. Too many damn rednecks have
> stiffled the rap growth so there just isn't anything to talk about in
songs.
> Look at Maestro, quite possibly canada's biggest rapper (aint that some
sad
> shit?), what does he talk about? area codes and dancing. Lyrically the
> rappers have no basis for material, they just come off sounding like Nas.
now I know you're just a troll
> And as for flow, they have no flow. Choclair was supposed to be the great
> hope. But Ice Cold is a fuckin weak album.
perhaps, but Chox does have a very nice flow...its his topics that kinda
deserted him on Ice Cold
>There are plenty of rock artists
> who've made it big in the states (Bryan Adams, Our Lady Peace, Tragically
> Hip, Sarah Mclachlan), and why? because they appeal to people who are into
> the genre.
Bryan Adams-only became popular after he became VH-1 fodder
OLP- you must be kidding to call these guys popular
Tragically Hip- Almost no presence in the States whatsoever, and they've
been trying forever
>I'm not going to buy a Rascalz album. I did buy Choclair and
> regret it. I'll consider Kardinal Offishal. Julie Black doesn't deserve
> attention... etc etc. Maybe if these artists were good, they would get
some
> attention. Canada's rap is too weak. Compared to the hot shit comin out of
> the states, we're at least 10 years behind.
how bout listing some of this supposed "hot shit"??? or is busta and em the
best you can do?
> Canada has no producers and weak rappers, and the result is god awful
music.
Kardinal and Sox can go toe to toe with most american producers
> Then these rappers come out all over the place complaining "we cant get
> radioplay... waah waah waah". Muchmusic tries to play indie rap artists,
but
> the music is just so bad, there is no heat being generated, therefore
> video's dont go into rotation. Thats just my take on it. Any other
Canadians
> in here have any comments?
>
how bout Much is too busy playing boy/girl groups to have any time for ANY
other type of music period?
and my comment to you is to get your head out of your ass
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> album, but Ghostface and Dr. Dre both had better albums this year. And how
> has he changed rap? Jesus Christ, have you just been listening to rap for
a
> year? He's a nice rapper, but he is not the greatest, and his album is
> hardly groundbreaking. Give me the new Outkast or Wu-Tang over him anyday.
No one is dickriding. When an album is tight, it's tight. I look at an
albums quality by if i have to make a playlist on my player or if i can just
play it right through. With Eminems disc, you can just play it from front to
back without skipping anything. It's all good. On Dre's cd there are a few
songs that are just horrible.
> Second of all, Canadian rap artists have a point. They have no
> outlet for their music, because all the media outlets here are run by a
> bunch of retarded redknecks who keep on pushing Britney Spears and Our
Lady
> Peace down our throats. We need an urban radio station. As for the artists
> themselves, I'll admit Choclair's LP sucked, but Saukrates, the Rascalz
and
> Kardinal are all dope. I'd take their music over most american rap anyday.
> All we need is to have one artist blow up, and a chain reatcion is sure to
> follow. I'd put my money or Kardinal. He's got it all...flow, personality,
> and creativity.
Canadian rappers dont understand is that there is almost no underground. How
many people in Canada buy rap music? Not many, if it's not mainstream, it's
not selling. Choclair got mainstream, and he moved units. Same with the
Rascalz. But other artists are trying to maintain an underground mentality.
Basically just fuck around, put out mix tapes, play R&B parties... shit like
that. But that doesn't fly in Canada. You actually have to be putting out
material that people want to listen to, that people want to crank up in
their cars. There are very few rap fans who buy cd's because the production
is good, or it's lyrically lethal, or the artist flows. People want to buy
shit to bump to, so they look to mainstream. Do you get my point? until
canadian artists put out material that people want to listen to, they're not
gonna get their radiostation and they're not going to sell units.
>
> P.S. "There are no rap artists in Canada that can match the calibre of
guys
> like Eminem and Busta Rhymes"...Bust Rhymes??? Do you honestly believe
that
> this is a high standard for hip hop music? You've been watching too much
> MuchMusic. He makes nice videos, but Busta hasn't had a decent song in a
> while.....
>
Busta Rhymes is tight. Rap is an ever-changing genre. Busta has always been
on the cutting edge. With his video's and with his rap. Have you ever seen
Busta live? He's energy with a mic.
Rick
natt...@my-deja.com
>MC Solaar (Germany),
Ummmmm.... Solaar is most definately French... and has a pretty good
following mong Acid Jazz fans. He's also fairly washed up on the French
hip hop scene... Soon E MC and Menelik (not Sir Menelik, but another
French emcee) are much better.
peace,
d
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Before you buy.
Michael Carnevale
> thats not the point...in the states, you've got stations DEDICATED to
> hiphop, that will put on a less commercial hiphop track...
that would be nice if it were true, but the reality is that there are like
three stations NATIONWIDE that are "purely" hip-hop, and even the use of that
adjective is questionable. hot97 in new york, i'm guessing there's one in la,
and maybe somewhere in the south. if anyone knows of a ALL HIP-HOP station,
let me know, i'd be interested to see how many i'll be able to count on one
hand. on the flip side of things, you do have stations that will push the more
marketable joints, i can't really compare it to airplay in canada since i
haven't really spent any time there. back to the subject, even hot97, which
carried the tag line "where hip-hop lives" wasn't being 100% truthful, it
should have read "where hip-hop lives after bugzy gets off the air and when
it's convenient for us otherwise we'll be happy to push dru hill and other
bullshit." so i don't know how much commercial radio play really plays into
underground hip-hop success. i think on a nationwide level it has a lot to do
with college airplay because that's who's going to be putting it on with no
concern of advertisers. it has a lot to do with the club circuit, which i
wonder how often canadian acts can tour, or how lucrative it would be for them
to do so. and it has a lot to do with some major urban areas in the u.s. that
have a lot of people in them with a lot of diverse interests, so you're bound
to have a sizeable hip-hop market wherever the population exceeds two million.
not to say that canada doesn't have that, but it sounds like it's pretty much
either toronto or vancouver.
-mike c.
natt...@my-deja.com
RnB and radio oriented cRAP. The only place to hear decent hip hop on
the radio in LA is KCRW and KXLU (both college stations) and THE WAKE UP
SHOW-which is so filled with talk and commercials that it is hardly worth
it. I'm much better off listening to Buck 65 broadcast over the net. I
was growing up in NY at the time, but LA did have the first all hip hop
station which was KDAY, which was an AM station... I've heard tapes and
high praise of the ground it broke, but nowadays it's all Thongs and
Wodies!
listeing to 7A3- go Mixmaster Muggs!
peas,
d
In article <3931F29D...@bbkstudio.com>,
Sean Christensen
summarize everything so far:
It is harder in Canada to sell units (if you really want to) because the
foundation still isn't there to maintain it. Labels are starting to get
hip to urban music and some actually have urban departments with people
who know what the hell is going on.
Canada has what one, ONE! urban radio station in Toronto, right. Almost
any major city in the USA has a radio station that plays urban music
(whether it be R&B, soul or hip hop). Most Canadian cities have to rely
on college radio. In Montreal we have one station on the Kahanwake Indian
reserve that plays hip hop and R&B, but only in the evenings from
Mon-Thurs.
The USA has 10 times the population of Canada, of course it's going to be
easier to sell more units in the states, there's more people to market to.
There are some groups that don't really care how many units they sell,
they do it for the love and some cash. I'm surprised (well not really)
that no one mentioned Obscure Disorder (from Montreal). They have a
strong following in the States, but that may be because they have distro
with Fat Beats. They've released 3 12"s, all with banging tracks. And
can't forget about Shades of Culture, who have been on the dl lately just
chilling and working on some new isht. Both these groups opened for
Eminem when he was here and blew the spot UP. Too bad it was an all ages
show, therefore the little dudes didn't know them.
What about DJ A-Trak, DMC and ITF champion. Memeber of the Invisible
Skratch Pickles. He's got to have some sort of skill, right.
Canada has no producers? What? Kardinal, Saukrates, Kemo, Da
Grassroots, Dave-One (Montreal). All these cats come with some original
beats, not NY indie clones.
Choclair was just the first step, wait 'til y'all here what Saukrates and
Kardinal have in store. I'm waiting like crazy for Thrust to finally
release his album, it's been 3 years in the waiting. Rascalz have been
doing their thing and have a couple really nice albums out. Maestro did
his thing in the early 90s to help put Canada on the map, as well did the
Dream Warriors.
There's lots of talent coming out of Canada, it just isn't all up in your
face like it is in the US of A. Canada's more laid back like that. It's
all good though, we'll get ours and when we do... look out.
Peace
My name is Sean
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Redeem
my 'so called research' comparing the Canadian hiphop scene and the
one here in the UK. The feelings I've gotten back so far are that we
are strugglin in the same boat. The last time I was out there, just
before Choclair was being released, I got the feeling you guys had it
more sorted. You seemed to have more people willing to promote and
organise events with 'just' Canadian artists. Infact you were even
getting regular MuchMusic airplay with Choc and Kardinall. I remember
seeing these vids during primetime slots. We VERY rarely get uk
artists appearing on the MTV here, even though it's meant to be a
'European/UK MTV. It's still American down to copying the shows and
the music played. Here in the last few years, we are getting regular
events of 'just' UK lineups, they happened before but would never be
mentioned in national newspapers and mags thou, I wonder if this is
'cause of our DJ's thou. I've got this feeling that UK is slowly
overtaking Canada, but I'm hoping to find out more next week.
.....Redeem.....
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- Chino XL -
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"Sean Christensen" <sea...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 May 2000, Redeem wrote:
>
> > more sorted. You seemed to have more people willing to promote and
> > organise events with 'just' Canadian artists. Infact you were even
> > getting regular MuchMusic airplay with Choc and Kardinall. I remember
> > seeing these vids during primetime slots. We VERY rarely get uk
> > artists appearing on the MTV here, even though it's meant to be a
>
> I think that has something to do with the CRTC (radio and television
> controlling body), and having CanCon (Canadian Content. If I'm not
> mistaken Canadian television and radio stations have to play a certain
> percentage of Canadian-based talent. Even so, if they decide to play
> Canadian hip hop it is a treat because of all the success of Canadian
> musicians in other genres.
Sean Christensen
Kuahmel Allah
and radio oriented cRAP. The only place to hear decent hip hop on the radio in
LA is KCRW and KXLU (both college stations) and THE WAKE UP SHOW-which is so
even woirth staying home to tape it on Saturday nights anymore. Remember the
11:00 Battles days? That was my ish.--Ku.]. I'm much better off listening to
Buck 65 broadcast over the net. I
was growing up in NY at the time, but LA did have the first all hip hop
station which was KDAY, which was an AM station... I've heard tapes and
high praise of the ground it broke, but nowadays it's all Thongs and
Wodies!<<<
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Power, because on the beat, Soul Assassins takes to much time jocking Cypress
Hill and being too sexually juvenile)
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