Got back from Yellowstone...my thoughts for what it's worth
scarletbgonias
year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park. If I have a lesson
in life, it's this: Get Thee to Yellowstone. The absolute splendor of
the park, the flowers, the wildlife, and just the 'air' says go.
Living all my life on the East Coast, I have never seen such
landscape. Yellowstone is truly a National Treasure. There's the
thermal springs, the geysers, the near freezing mornings (37 degrees
at 5AM in July), the lonesome songs the Coyotes sing to each other
late at night, the boiling mud pots and the 80 degree temperature
during the day. Couple this with the magnificent view of the mountains
and you don't want to go home. You forget summer is down below the
mountains.
We took Interstate 70 West and 287 North going in (I think) (heading
toward the South Enterance), so it was a bit boring from Kansas City
until we hit Split Rock. At Split Rock, we could still see the old
wagon train ruts cut into the ground from the pioneers driving the
Oregon Trail of the 1800s. A few hours later, we stopped at a
Shoshone Indian burial ground in the Wind River Reservation at Fort
Washakie and saw where Sacagawea is buried. Sacagawea, and her young
son Bazil, were prominent figures in the Lewis and Clark Expeditions
out west. They're both buried in Fort Washakie. The Shoshone decorate
the graves of their loved ones very gaily. The buriel grounds are
colorful and extemelyly well groomed. You can't tell if a loved one
passed last week or a hundred years ago. Believe it or not, that
cemetary is a happy place. A bit more driving and we hit the Teton
Mountain Range, just south of the Yellowstone entrance. We spent a
full day at the Tetons. Years ago, my sister and her little girls
spent time playing in the river and climbing the trails up Mount
Moran. I fiddled with my camera and have some Ansell Adams-type black
and white photos of Mount Moran (used a red filter to darken the sky,
but kept the clouds white; the photos look terrific).
On the way home, we took one of the most breathtaking routes this
country has to offer. We took the Northeast entrance out of
Yellowstone and headed home on US 212; Beartooth Pass. You feel like
you're on top of the world. It takes you from the canyon floor and
climbs almost 4,000 feet in elevation (up from the 7,000 feet where
you are when you begin the drive), taking you past rock slides and red
and yellow rock outcroppings. Expect hairpin curves, U-curves, and
sinuous S-curves in the road as you climb to the canyon rim past
forests, rugged cliffs, pristine lakes, mountain peaks, alpine tundra,
and snow banks, even in August. This road takes you to 11,000 feet
above sea level, above the tree line and it's only open 4.5 months a
year. If possible, I could scoop up snow in my right hand if my father
moved just a little to the right (not advisable since he was towing a
camper and I had a death grip on that suicide handle in the truck).
While we were driving Beartooth Pass, Dad remembered he had Neil
Diamond in his CD player. Yeah, it's coming. Dad is completely deaf in
his right ear, and almost so in his left ear (when the batteries are
working). ~~~ Must hear Neil Diamond ~~~. The stereo is blaring at 11.
We're driving up a narrow, traverse on Beartooth Pass, looking down
into a straight 3,000 foot drop into some yet to be named ravine to
the strains of Sweet Caroline. But the view was spectacular. Sweet
Caroline will never be the same. The 35-40 miles of this road must be
seen, Neil Diamond or not. However, one must have a spare "panty
change", just in case when you hit the safe, lower ground. I've never
been so scared in my life, but also never so awed at the same time.
After Beartooth Pass, the trip home was a bit fuzzy but I did make Dad
stop at Red Lodge, Montana, so I could suck down a cold Sierra Nevada
Pale Ale from the cooler; but we did do, in an order that I forget:
Devil's Tower, Mount Rushmore, Little Big Horn National Park, and the
Badlands.
On the flight from Kansas City to Newark, I decompressed to some '73
show my son, Connor, selected from one of my iPods... Don't remember the
date, but it had a relaxing Me and Bobby McGee and China Cat...
Glad to be back East where the land is flat and I can't fall too far.
Theresa
y2k1...@gmail.com
much more picturesque than the east that i ask myself, why do people
still live in NJ,NYC, Conn, Boston, DC ,etc. The West is the Best.
BTW, I am going to Yellowstone next August. I'm glad you had a great
time. You should try Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Ranier some time as
well.
On Jul 12, 2:43 am, band beyond description <1...@456.com> wrote:
> On 2007-07-12 17:00:35 +0900, scarletbgonias <theresadu...@verizon.net> said:
>
> > Well, I'm back from my trip west with my 85 year old Father and 14
> > year old son.
>
> snip
>
> > Glad to be back East where the land is flat and I can't fall too far.
>
> > Theresa
>
> glad to see you back, T! sounds like a great trip for you and your
> family. thanks for posting your thoughts and description. that's one
> place I haven't yet been.
> --
> Peace,
> Steve
Bzl.
"scarletbgonias" <theres...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I'm back from my trip west with my 85 year old Father and 14
> year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
> Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park. If I have a lesson
> in life, it's this: Get Thee to Yellowstone. The absolute splendor of
> the park, the flowers, the wildlife, and just the 'air' says go.
> Living all my life on the East Coast, I have never seen such
> landscape. Yellowstone is truly a National Treasure. There's the
> thermal springs, the geysers, the near freezing mornings (37 degrees
> at 5AM in July), the lonesome songs the Coyotes sing to each other
> late at night, the boiling mud pots and the 80 degree temperature
> during the day. Couple this with the magnificent view of the mountains
> and you don't want to go home. You forget summer is down below the
> mountains.
Absolutely. There are so many incredible spots in the park. The geysers
and other geothermal thingies are beyond psychedelic. Then you have that
lake, that canyon, them bison etc etc. I've been there twice, for about a
week each time in the last decade and can't wait to go back. I want to get
there in the winter sometime, but hopefully I can avoid snowmobiling (How
the Bushies can promote the noise and pollution those things bring into this
paradise really boggles my somewhat-dense mind.)
Brad Greer
wrote:
Total agreement to what both of you posted about Yellowstone, a truly
awesome park. The geysers are awesome (and blow away the biggest
geyser field in the Reykajavic area), the mountains are huge, the
bison are cool, it's just a unique area. Even the wolves are making a
comeback there.
Theresa, if this was your first trip to the truly scenic national
parks in the west you've got to take a trip to Bryce Canyon in Utah -
scenery like you'll find nowhere else in the world, just stunning. Or
head up to Olympic in Washington - you can move between alpine
meadows, a deciduous temperate rain forest and the coast of the
Pacific ocean, all within a day. Check out the red rocks in Arches
National Park (also in Utah) or hike in Zion. And don't forget
Yosemite, the coolest national park in the country. There are so many
great parks to see out west.
Dave Kelly
I mean, all that Kierkegaard, right?
Real adolescent, fashionable pessimism.
I mean, the silence. The Tetons silence.
OK, OK, OK. I mean, I loved it when I was
at Radcliffe, but, all right, you outgrow it.
It is the dignifying of one's psychological and
sexual hang-ups by attaching them to these
grandiose phallic monuments in todays national parks.
Dr. Sweet-Pants
AirtimeJunkie
Theresa, if you ever get the chance, try to make a drive over Tioga
Pass in Yosemite. The road is only open in the summer time but the
views are INCREDIBLE! Last week I drove east over Tioga Pass, stopped
by Mono Lake, visited a ghost town in Bodie, CA, and then headed north
from there up to South Lake Tahoe. The scenery the entire was was
beautiful!
Thanks for sharing your story! :)
Kevin
Randy G
Not many people know about that place. Make sure to take a boat ride
on the lake......
Gladys
> We took the Northeast entrance out of
> Yellowstone and headed home on US 212; Beartooth Pass.
The area around Beartooth pass is one of my favorite places on this Earth.
Gladys.
LP
Also NOT to be missed:
The road from the east entrance that runs to Cody Wyoming is one of
the most spectacular roads I've ever driven, that is a perfect match
for Grateful Dead music the entire way.
Then east out of Cody, the route through the Shell Canyon goes through
rock formations that are identified by signs as to their age - 50
million years ago, 250 million years ago, I forget how far back they
get.
There are so many oustanding roads in the West that they defy
counting.
LP
Richard Morris
"scarletbgonias" <theres...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
> Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park.
Welcome back to the madness!
R.
abor...@redshark.goodshow.net
> Well, I'm back from my trip west with my 85 year old Father and 14
> year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
> Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park. If I have a lesson
> in life, it's this: Get Thee to Yellowstone.
I've been twice now, and I can't wait to go back...
--
Aaron
Octopus Ride
"LP" <so.y...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> There are so many oustanding roads in the West that they defy
> counting.
Like, say the Cascade Lakes Hwy, or as locals refer to it, Century Dr.
Go out past the Safeway on Century Dr in Bend and head up to Mt. Bachelor.
See the Three Sisters, Broken Top, Mt. Washington etc. Stop and kayak,
canoe, or fish at any of the 40 lakes you'll drive by. There are small
lodges at 3 of them, and most of the lakes are non-motorized. This is the
nordic skiing capital of Oregon, has a great alpine area, and the entire
area is criss crossed with thousands of miles of hiking and mtn. biking
trails. Cross multiple rivers and creeks as you gaze at the deer, elk,
osprey, bald eagles, etc. Raft down one of the rivers. Water ski or go
sailing at one of the larger lakes. Pack your stuff in on horseback via one
of thee many equestrian trails and camp at one of the many campgrounds.
Wonder at the sheer size of all those ponderosa pines and the shimmering
beauty of the birch and aspen. Frame a nice shot of a mountain peak with a
beautiful flower filled meadow.
Or just drive up to Cultus Lake and have a few beers on the old stone porch
at the lodge, and wonder at the scads of young bikini-clad females lolling
on the expansive lawn area that leads down to the marina.
All of this begins about 10 minutes from my new house, and the entire grand
circuit can be driven without stopping in a couple of hours. Its a big
loop more or less, with the end coming out by the Lavalands and Newberry
National Monuments with their lava and ice caves, cinder cones, more lakes,
etc.
Makes for a nice morning drive, full day of sightseeing, or week long
vacation.
OR
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What's Bodie like these days? I went there about 18 years ago when you
could still get a tour through the gold stamping plant. They said it
was getting too unsafe and they wouldn't be offering tours much
longer. It was during that tour that my then 4 year old daughter let
out the longest, loudest, smelliest fart I have ever heard. Needless
to say, all the rest of the people couldn't believe that a cute little
kid could have done that, so it must have been me. I got many dirty
looks as they huddled against the far wall trying to escape the
stench.
Mike
y2k1...@gmail.com
the US, the other day wake up temp was 31, lol
the avg july low is 34 degress, please.
Almost all of Bodie's national lows in 1999 occurred from June through
early October, when high-elevation weather stations in California
often record the nation's chilliest morning temperatures
http://www.micmacmedia.com/Sierra_Stories/Bodie/bodie.html
but it sure is awesome:
http://www.pbase.com/fischerfoto/bodie
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Aug-19-Mon-2002/news/19399793.html
theothr1
"Brad Greer" wrote ...
:
: Theresa, if this was your first trip to the truly scenic national
: parks in the west you've got to take a trip to Bryce Canyon in Utah -
- - -
One of my favorites! How bout an RMGD
get together next summer at Bryce...or Moab??
y2k1...@gmail.com
Andrew
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Never made it to Yellowstone yet, but great post Teresa... You certainly
made me want to get out there sometime soon. Glad you had such a great time.
> Theresa, if this was your first trip to the truly scenic national
> parks in the west you've got to take a trip to Bryce Canyon in Utah -
> scenery like you'll find nowhere else in the world, just stunning. Or
> head up to Olympic in Washington - you can move between alpine
> meadows, a deciduous temperate rain forest and the coast of the
> Pacific ocean, all within a day. Check out the red rocks in Arches
> National Park (also in Utah) or hike in Zion. And don't forget
> Yosemite, the coolest national park in the country.
And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly cool.
Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out west... What
are the national parks worth seeing back East?
dyrewlf@v.n
wrote:
Well, Acadia up in Maine is defintely worthwhile, Then Shenandoah and
Great Smoky in the south with the gorgeous Blue Ridge Prkway
connecting them, and outstanding drive in the fall. Actually are there
any "National Parks" not worth seeing??
Octopus Ride
"Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead of
actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels, liquor
stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
Richard Morris
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> "Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
>> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
>> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>
> The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead
> of actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels,
> liquor stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
mmmmmmm ... Dolly!
Now ... wassup with elephant ears?? They have a national elephant ear park
back there?
Andrew
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Good point.
dyrewlf@v.n
<dav...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>"Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:139cs1a...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
>> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
>> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>
>The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead of
>actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels, liquor
>stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
>
>OR
Well, yes outside the park boundaries is filled with total crap, the
park itself is quite nice, and although the peaks don't reach the
heights of the West the peaks do hit 6000ft which are the highest in
the East. Each park has it's own to offer, and obviously some will
like some over others, but truly there is no National Park that should
go unvisited.
Gladys
Make sure you time your trip to Bryce Canyon during a new moon. It's one
of the darkest places in the USA. The winter months and their tendency
to trap air pollution in CA make it even better....
Gladys.
RickNBarbInSD
> While we were driving Beartooth Pass, Dad remembered he had Neil
> Diamond in his CD player.
> Theresa
You mean the greatest songwriter of this, or any other
generation?!?!?! ; )
Rick
Octopus Ride
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> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:43:16 -0700, "Octopus Ride"
> <dav...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:139cs1a...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
>>> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
>>> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>>The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead
>>of
>>actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels, liquor
>>stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
> Well, yes outside the park boundaries is filled with total crap,
HUH? I happen to love all of the things I listed above, including Dolly's
theme park. Its just weird having a national park surrounded by tourist
strips.
> the
> park itself is quite nice, and although the peaks don't reach the
> heights of the West the peaks do hit 6000ft which are the highest in
> the East.
Yeah, that drive is scenic enough. I enjoyed it. But they ain't
mountains.
> Each park has it's own to offer, and obviously some will
> like some over others, but truly there is no National Park that should
> go unvisited.
True. And if you love retro tourist crap like me, there's no park like the
Smokies.
Octopus Ride
"Richard Morris" <jrmo...@trouserscomcast.net> wrote in message
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You mean you've never eaten one of the great carnival food staples of all
time? Every tacky tourist area has 'em. FRIED DOUGH!
Richard Morris
>
> "Richard Morris" <jrmo...@trouserscomcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Octopus Ride" <dav...@bendbroadband.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184265...@sp12lax.superfeed.net...
>>>
>>> "Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:139cs1a...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
>>>> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
>>>> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>>>
>>> The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills
>>> instead of actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears,
>>> motels, liquor stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
>
>> mmmmmmm ... Dolly!
>>
>> Now ... wassup with elephant ears?? They have a national elephant ear
>> park back there?
>
> You mean you've never eaten one of the great carnival food staples of all
> time? Every tacky tourist area has 'em. FRIED DOUGH!
Not under that name, no ... but after several years of aversion conditioning
I quit visiting the midway when I was about twelve I think.
Actually I do hit the state fair here ... but there is more exotic fair
now--fried whole onions, fried twinkies, fried snickers bars ... I keep
waiting for them to come out with a way to deep fry lard.
As my son says: "just because they *can* deep fry something, doesn't mean
that they *should* deep fry it."
JerseyMike
Theresa, thanks for the Yellowstone Park commentary! I definitely have
to go one day and visit...sounds great! If you love the mountain
scenery you may want to visit Gatlinburg, Tennessee for your next
adventure. Another beautiful place! It's only 14 hours drive from
Joisey!
Cheers
dyrewlf@v.n
<dav...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
><dyrewlf@v.n> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:43:16 -0700, "Octopus Ride"
>> <dav...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Andrew" <amur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:139cs1a...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
>>>> cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
>>>> west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>
>>>The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead
>>>of
>>>actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels, liquor
>>>stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
>
>
>> Well, yes outside the park boundaries is filled with total crap,
>
>HUH? I happen to love all of the things I listed above, including Dolly's
>theme park. Its just weird having a national park surrounded by tourist
>strips.
OK, I thought there was more than a little sarcasm in there.
Personally I like that kind of crap when I want that kind of crap, but
like you said it's weird when it's on the doorsteps to a National
Park. Although if the Paradise Inn at Ranier had miniature golf, I'd
be all over it.
RickNBarbInSD
> True. And if you love retro tourist crap like me,
>
> OR
Then you must be familiar weeth Pedro:
; )
Rick
dyrewlf@v.n
Ahhhhh, South of the Border, the place that became a famous place to
stop simply cause it was a place to stop. The marketing genius who
came up with that one must be a very wealthy man.`
theothr1
"Octopus Ride" wrote ...
:
: "Richard Morris" wrote : >
: > Now ... wassup with elephant ears?? They have a national elephant ear
: > park back there?
:
: You mean you've never eaten one of the great carnival food staples of all
: time? Every tacky tourist area has 'em. FRIED DOUGH!
http://tinyurl.com/2obglg
Octopus Ride
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One of the great roadside attractions I've never had the pleasure of
visiting. Have seen it on TV and on the web, though.
Maybe someday.........
OR
>
> Rick
Brad Greer
Second all those recommendations. Very different from western parks,
but then again how much do Bryce and Olympia really have in common?
Brad Greer
Somebody's working on it. The secret is to freeze the lard before you
coat it with breadcrumbs.
>As my son says: "just because they *can* deep fry something, doesn't mean
>that they *should* deep fry it."
>
We deep fried a turkey before a football game once (okay, more than
once - deep fried turkey is really good) and naturally attracted a
good number of onlookers. Once we pulled the turkey out various
people offered all sorts of food for the frying. Deep fried cake was
generally accepted to be the worst choice.
Andy Gefen
wrote:
>
>Absolutely. There are so many incredible spots in the park. The geysers
>and other geothermal thingies are beyond psychedelic. Then you have that
>lake, that canyon, them bison etc etc. I've been there twice, for about a
>week each time in the last decade and can't wait to go back. I want to get
>there in the winter sometime, but hopefully I can avoid snowmobiling (How
>the Bushies can promote the noise and pollution those things bring into this
>paradise really boggles my somewhat-dense mind.)
>
Truth be told, snowmobiling into Yellowstone in the middle of the
winter was one of the most fun things I've ever done (it wasn't
recognized as such an environmental issue back then).
-- Andy (remove z's to respond)
Joker
> YellowStone...It's bleak, my God.
> I mean, all that Kierkegaard, right?
> Real adolescent, fashionable pessimism.
> I mean, the silence. The Tetons silence.
> OK, OK, OK. I mean, I loved it when I was
> at Radcliffe, but, all right, you outgrow it.
> It is the dignifying of one's psychological and
> sexual hang-ups by attaching them to these
> grandiose phallic monuments in todays national parks.
>
> Dr. Sweet-Pants
Phallic? No wonder you flunked out of Ratcliff and had to "settle" for
SF State. I mean, you *do know* what "tetons" means in French, right?
Kids today...
Larry
Joker
> Crater Lake in Central Oregon isn't ugly either :)
>
> Not many people know about that place. Make sure to take a boat ride
> on the lake......
Crater Lake is fairly well-known but not as visited maybe due to
limited accomodations. It is a impossible to describe to someone who
has never seen it. The deep, cobalt blue of the water is unmatched
anywhere else on earth. When you see photo's or postcards of it, you
instantly dismiss the color of the lake water as an abberation or a
gimmick of the picture or postcard. But when you see it, even close
up, it's truly mindblowing. The blue-est of blues in a giant volcanic
caldera.
Larry
y2k1...@gmail.com
Olympic
Zion
Crater
Grand Canyon
Yellowstone
Arches
Big Bend
Great Sand Dunes
Rocky Mountain National Park
Glacier
in no particular order. if i can do that, i will die a happy man.
Joker
> "LP" <so.you...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> > There are so many oustanding roads in the West that they defy
> > counting.
>
> Like, say the Cascade Lakes Hwy, or as locals refer to it, Century Dr.
>
> Go out past the Safeway on Century Dr in Bend and head up to Mt. Bachelor.
> See the Three Sisters, Broken Top, Mt. Washington etc. Stop and kayak,
> canoe, or fish at any of the 40 lakes you'll drive by. There are small
> lodges at 3 of them, and most of the lakes are non-motorized. This is the
> nordic skiing capital of Oregon, has a great alpine area, and the entire
> area is criss crossed with thousands of miles of hiking and mtn. biking
> trails. Cross multiple rivers and creeks as you gaze at the deer, elk,
> osprey, bald eagles, etc. Raft down one of the rivers. Water ski or go
> sailing at one of the larger lakes. Pack your stuff in on horseback via one
> of thee many equestrian trails and camp at one of the many campgrounds.
> Wonder at the sheer size of all those ponderosa pines and the shimmering
> beauty of the birch and aspen. Frame a nice shot of a mountain peak with a
> beautiful flower filled meadow.
>
> Or just drive up to Cultus Lake and have a few beers on the old stone porch
> at the lodge, and wonder at the scads of young bikini-clad females lolling
> on the expansive lawn area that leads down to the marina.
>
> All of this begins about 10 minutes from my new house, and the entire grand
> circuit can be driven without stopping in a couple of hours. Its a big
> loop more or less, with the end coming out by the Lavalands and Newberry
> National Monuments with their lava and ice caves, cinder cones, more lakes,
> etc.
>
> Makes for a nice morning drive, full day of sightseeing, or week long
> vacation.
>
> OR
>
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Lavalands and Newberry Volcano are amazing places. In 1994 (IIRC) I
drove up to Mount St. Helens, then back across the Columbia River and
turned east. Drove until we hit Idaho, then came back across the
middle of eastern Oregon, which is one of the largest volcanic plains
on the N.American continent. Along the way, we stopped and picked up a
hundred pounds of obsidian. All types, black, red and rainbow
obsidian. Then we headed over to Newberry. From there we drove back
down to California through the Lava Beds National Monument (site of
the last Indian War where Captain Jack led the remaining Nez Perce in
hiding out from the US Army who were ordered to march them back east
to a reservation.) From there we drove through Mt Lassen National
Park, where the devastation of the 1910 eruption is still quite
visible.
I know it's heresy, but I'd take eastern Oregon over the rainy, dreary
western Oregon any day. True fact for the day: Oregon has every type
of Volcano known albeit not necessarily active ones.
Larry
AirtimeJunkie
> On Jul 12, 7:19 am, AirtimeJunkie <airtimejun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 1:00?am, scarletbgonias <theresadu...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > Well, I'm back from my trip west with my 85 year old Father and 14
> > > year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
> > > Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park. If I have a lesson
> > > in life, it's this: Get Thee to Yellowstone. The absolute splendor of
> > > the park, the flowers, the wildlife, and just the 'air' says go.
> > > Living all my life on the East Coast, I have never seen such
> > > landscape. Yellowstone is truly a National Treasure. There's the
> > > thermal springs, the geysers, the near freezing mornings (37 degrees
> > > at 5AM in July), the lonesome songs the Coyotes sing to each other
> > > late at night, the boiling mud pots and the 80 degree temperature
> > > during the day. Couple this with the magnificent view of the mountains
> > > and you don't want to go home. You forget summer is down below the
> > > mountains.
>
> > > toward the South Enterance), so it was a bit boring from Kansas City
> > > until we hit Split Rock. At Split Rock, we could still see the old
> > > wagon train ruts cut into the ground from the pioneers driving the
> > > Oregon Trail of the 1800s. A few hours later, we stopped at a
> > > Shoshone Indian burial ground in the Wind River Reservation at Fort
> > > Washakie and saw where Sacagawea is buried. Sacagawea, and her young
> > > son Bazil, were prominent figures in the Lewis and Clark Expeditions
> > > out west. They're both buried in Fort Washakie. The Shoshone decorate
> > > the graves of their loved ones very gaily. The buriel grounds are
> > > colorful and extemelyly well groomed. You can't tell if a loved one
> > > passed last week or a hundred years ago. Believe it or not, that
> > > cemetary is a happy place. A bit more driving and we hit the Teton
> > > Mountain Range, just south of the Yellowstone entrance. We spent a
> > > full day at the Tetons. Years ago, my sister and her little girls
> > > spent time playing in the river and climbing the trails up Mount
> > > Moran. I fiddled with my camera and have some Ansell Adams-type black
> > > and white photos of Mount Moran (used a red filter to darken the sky,
> > > but kept the clouds white; the photos look terrific).
>
> > > On the way home, we took one of the most breathtaking routes this
> > > country has to offer. We took the Northeast entrance out of
> > > Yellowstone and headed home on US 212; Beartooth Pass. You feel like
> > > you're on top of the world. It takes you from the canyon floor and
> > > climbs almost 4,000 feet in elevation (up from the 7,000 feet where
> > > you are when you begin the drive), taking you past rock slides and red
> > > and yellow rock outcroppings. Expect hairpin curves, U-curves, and
> > > sinuous S-curves in the road as you climb to the canyon rim past
> > > forests, rugged cliffs, pristine lakes, mountain peaks, alpine tundra,
> > > and snow banks, even in August. This road takes you to 11,000 feet
> > > above sea level, above the tree line and it's only open 4.5 months a
> > > year. If possible, I could scoop up snow in my right hand if my father
> > > moved just a little to the right (not advisable since he was towing a
> > > camper and I had a death grip on that suicide handle in the truck).
> > > While we were driving Beartooth Pass, Dad remembered he had Neil
> > > his right ear, and almost so in his left ear (when the batteries are
> > > working). ~~~ Must hear Neil Diamond ~~~. The stereo is blaring at 11.
> > > We're driving up a narrow, traverse on Beartooth Pass, looking down
> > > into a straight 3,000 foot drop into some yet to be named ravine to
> > > the strains of Sweet Caroline. But the view was spectacular. Sweet
> > > Caroline will never be the same. The 35-40 miles of this road must be
> > > seen, Neil Diamond or not. However, one must have a spare "panty
> > > change", just in case when you hit the safe, lower ground. I've never
> > > been so scared in my life, but also never so awed at the same time.
>
> > > After Beartooth Pass, the trip home was a bit fuzzy but I did make Dad
> > > stop at Red Lodge, Montana, so I could suck down a cold Sierra Nevada
> > > Pale Ale from the cooler; but we did do, in an order that I forget:
> > > Devil's Tower, Mount Rushmore, Little Big Horn National Park, and the
> > > Badlands.
>
> > > On the flight from Kansas City to Newark, I decompressed to some '73
> > > show my son, Connor, selected from one of my iPods... Don't remember the
> > > date, but it had a relaxing Me and Bobby McGee and China Cat...
>
> > > Glad to be back East where the land is flat and I can't fall too far.
>
> > > Theresa
>
> > Theresa, if you ever get the chance, try to make a drive over Tioga
> > Pass in Yosemite. The road is only open in the summer time but the
> > views are INCREDIBLE! Last week I drove east over Tioga Pass, stopped
> > by Mono Lake, visited a ghost town in Bodie, CA, and then headed north
> > from there up to South Lake Tahoe. The scenery the entire was was
> > beautiful!
>
> > Thanks for sharing your story! :)
>
> > Kevin- Hide quoted text -
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>
> What's Bodie like these days? I went there about 18 years ago when you
> could still get a tour through the gold stamping plant. They said it
> was getting too unsafe and they wouldn't be offering tours much
> longer. It was during that tour that my then 4 year old daughter let
> out the longest, loudest, smelliest fart I have ever heard. Needless
> to say, all the rest of the people couldn't believe that a cute little
> kid could have done that, so it must have been me. I got many dirty
> looks as they huddled against the far wall trying to escape the
> stench.
>
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Hi, Mike. Bodie was actually very cool! I had never been to a ghost
town before so I was very curious to see what it would be like. I
arrived to Bodie in the afternoon around 2pm and was surprised to find
quite a few people there. That is probably because of its close
proximity to Mono Lake and Yosemite. Anyhow, it is like stepping back
in time. You can no longer go into the factory up on the side of the
hill as it is roped off. One of the best things about visiting Bodie
is the scenery. It is well worth a visit and a good deal for the $3
admission. I plan to visit the park again sometime.
Kevin
AirtimeJunkie
> My List for the West:
>
> Olympic
> Zion
> Crater
> Grand Canyon
> Yellowstone
> Arches
> Big Bend
> Great Sand Dunes
> Rocky Mountain National Park
> Glacier
>
> in no particular order. if i can do that, i will die a happy man.
>
Don't you think Yosemite should be on that list? It is one of the
most beautiful places I've ever been. I would highly recommend a
visit.
Kevin
y2k1...@gmail.com
Been going to Yosemite for years, going there next week for another
week of fun in Housekeeping with about 10 other families, 22 kids.
Yosemite is may favorite park, period, i enjoyed Acadia, but Yosemite
is the best. Plus I love the Tioga Pass. Need to put Kings Canyon/
Sequioa on that list too, always overlooked.
LP
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> Lavalands and Newberry Volcano are amazing places. In 1994 (IIRC) I
> drove up to Mount St. Helens, then back across the Columbia River and
> turned east. Drove until we hit Idaho, then came back across the
> middle of eastern Oregon, which is one of the largest volcanic plains
> on the N.American continent. Along the way, we stopped and picked up a
> hundred pounds of obsidian. All types, black, red and rainbow
> obsidian. Then we headed over to Newberry. From there we drove back
> down to California through the Lava Beds National Monument (site of
> the last Indian War where Captain Jack led the remaining Nez Perce in
> hiding out from the US Army who were ordered to march them back east
> to a reservation.) From there we drove through Mt Lassen National
> Park, where the devastation of the 1910 eruption is still quite
> visible.
> I know it's heresy, but I'd take eastern Oregon over the rainy, dreary
> western Oregon any day. True fact for the day: Oregon has every type
> of Volcano known albeit not necessarily active ones.
>
Eastern Oregon has got to be the most un-explored part of the lower 48
for most Americans.
Here's a trivia question for rmgd::
There are 2 of the 50 United States that contain neighboring time
zones, one of which has Pacific Ocean coast, and the other has
Atlantic Ocean coast.
What are the 2 states?
LP
gwatts
...
> Here's a trivia question for rmgd::
> There are 2 of the 50 United States that contain neighboring time
> zones, one of which has Pacific Ocean coast, and the other has
> Atlantic Ocean coast.
> What are the 2 states?
>
> LP
>
OR + FL
Octopus Ride
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> Here's a trivia question for rmgd::
> There are 2 of the 50 United States that contain neighboring time
> zones, one of which has Pacific Ocean coast, and the other has
> Atlantic Ocean coast.
> What are the 2 states?
Alaska and Portugal.
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Redwoods National Park also. Overlooked, empty and friggin' beautiful...
Neil X.
Graphically shown here:
I love maps. When I was in grade school, I remember answering the
question "What do you want to be when you grow up?" with "Either a
cartographer or a lapidarian." Adults always thought that was
strange.
Peace,
Neil X.
Octopus Ride
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Looks to me like Alaska, which borders on the Pacific, has two time zones
too. That makes 3 states.
Add that other great state, Portugal, and the total is 4.
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> I love maps. When I was in grade school, I remember answering the
> question "What do you want to be when you grow up?" with "Either a
> cartographer or a lapidarian." Adults always thought that was
> strange.
>
> Peace,
> Neil X.
What.....you were too good to be a JizzMopper?
Lapridarian?....is that some big ass name for a lap dancer?
I genuinely dislike educated people.
LP
That is correct. Eastern Oregon has a chunk of Mountain time zone,
and Florida's panhandle has a peice of Central.
LP
LP
> "LP" <so.you...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184345024.3...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Here's a trivia question for rmgd::
> > There are 2 of the 50 United States that contain neighboring time
> > zones, one of which has Pacific Ocean coast, and the other has
> > Atlantic Ocean coast.
> > What are the 2 states?
>
> Alaska and Portugal.
>
> OR
>
I worded it awkwardly. One state has pacific coast, and the other has
atlantic coast, and these 2 states have neighboring time zones.
The answer given above was correct - FL and OR.
LP
gwatts
As Octopus Ride mentions, Alaska would also qualify. Texas has Gulf
coast frontage and El Paso is in Mountain versus Central for the rest of
Texas.
Wow! RMGD is educational as well as confrontational! I'm non-plussed!
Octopus Ride
> On Jul 13, 10:30 am, "Octopus Ride" <davk...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>> "LP" <so.you...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1184345024.3...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Here's a trivia question for rmgd::
>> > There are 2 of the 50 United States that contain neighboring time
>> > zones, one of which has Pacific Ocean coast, and the other has
>> > Atlantic Ocean coast.
>> > What are the 2 states?
>>
>> Alaska and Portugal.
> I worded it awkwardly. One state has pacific coast, and the other has
> atlantic coast, and these 2 states have neighboring time zones.
>
> The answer given above was correct - FL and OR.
I think Portugal is still in the running.
Stu Schwartz
> "scarletbgonias" <theres...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> year old son. We started off by spending a full 7 days camping in
>> Yellowstone National Park and exploring the park. If I have a lesson
>> in life, it's this: Get Thee to Yellowstone. The absolute splendor of
>> the park, the flowers, the wildlife, and just the 'air' says go.
>> Living all my life on the East Coast, I have never seen such
>> landscape. Yellowstone is truly a National Treasure. There's the
>> thermal springs, the geysers, the near freezing mornings (37 degrees
>> at 5AM in July), the lonesome songs the Coyotes sing to each other
>> late at night, the boiling mud pots and the 80 degree temperature
>> during the day. Couple this with the magnificent view of the mountains
>> and you don't want to go home. You forget summer is down below the
>> mountains.
>
> and other geothermal thingies are beyond psychedelic. Then you have that
> lake, that canyon, them bison etc etc. I've been there twice, for about a
> week each time in the last decade and can't wait to go back. I want to get
> there in the winter sometime, but hopefully I can avoid snowmobiling (How
> the Bushies can promote the noise and pollution those things bring into this
> paradise really boggles my somewhat-dense mind.)
>
>
I've only been there twice..but my wife was there 6 or 7 times. We hope
to go again. We were their during bison baby season. Tons of baby
bison. We actually saw one being born! We also saw a mother and baby
try to fiord a stream in April (cold and snowy). Baby almost got swept
away. Wonderful park.
--peace--
stu
Neil X.
>
> What.....you were too good to be a JizzMopper?
> Lapridarian?....is that some big ass name for a lap dancer?
> I genuinely dislike educated people.
What, self-loathing is your new thing?
Peace,
Neil X.
neurodancer
I love maps too. I could (can) stare at them for hours. Any decent
looking book with a map on the front page stands a good chance of
being purchased, and I am rarely disappointed. It is literally one of
my major criteria for investing in an unknown book. There aren't too
many things in life much better than perusing the shit out of a map of
a place you've never been and then actually going there.
ND
scarletbgonias
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:38:45 -0700, RickNBarbInSD
>
>
>
>
>
> <rickdowl...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, "Octopus Ride" <davk...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> >> True. And if you love retro tourist crap like me,
>
> >> OR
>
> >Then you must be familiar weeth Pedro:
>
> >http://www.pedroland.com/
>
> >; )
>
>
> Ahhhhh, South of the Border, the place that became a famous place to
> stop simply cause it was a place to stop. The marketing genius who
> came up with that one must be a very wealthy man.`- Hide quoted text -
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South of the Border is to the east like Wall Drug is to the West...
Free Ice Water...
Theresa
scarletbgonias
> On Jul 12, 1:00 am, scarletbgonias <theresadu...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > While we were driving Beartooth Pass, Dad remembered he had Neil
> > Diamond in his CD player.
>
> You mean the greatest songwriter of this, or any other
> generation?!?!?! ; )
>
> Rick
I'll cull through my 800+ digi photos and post the best on
kodakgallery.com by next Friday. For those interested, send me your e-
mail addy and I'll send an invite to view. Had a great time with my
dad, my son and the west.
I'm thinking of picking up a small tow camper for the VW wagon for
further adventures out west. After all, I'll be relocating to KS in
three and a half years. Half way there.
Theresa
neurodancer
I'm kinda confused, how can you plan something like that 3 1/2 years
in advance? Why 3 1/2 and not 1.23 or 17 years? This from a person
who isn't quite sure what he'll be doing next weekend. Is relocating
to KS a desireable thing?
Befuddled
ND
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>
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3.5 years from now is when we're finally free of the tethers that hold
us eastbound.... In other words, it's a legal thang...
Kansas is desireable because my surviving brothers, sister and parent
live there and yes, we feel a pull to be with family.
Neil X.
>
> 3.5 years from now is when we're finally free of the tethers that hold
> us eastbound.... In other words, it's a legal thang...
If I were guessing, my first guess would be that you had a 14 year old
kid..........
Peace,
Neil X.
scarletbgonias
Neil, you win a toaster... (one that also fries an egg, cooks canadian
bacon and melts cheese). Yes, we're waiting for that magic number: 18.
Theresa
Neil X.
I understand the desire to be near family. But Kansas, man, that's
tough. 80 years after the Scopes trial, they still keep trying to
outlaw teaching evolution there. I just couldn't do it, no way.
Peace,
Neil X.
scarletbgonias
Well, fortunately, Johnson County is quite Blue.... No Spaghetti
Monster there...
SkyYellow...@hotmail.com
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> > And the Redwoods. And Sequoia/Kings Canyon.. And Lassen is incredibly
> > cool. Joshua Tree. Death Valley. Yup, there are some great places out
> > west... What are the national parks worth seeing back East?
>
> The Great Smoky Mtns are cool, especially if you like small hills instead of
> actual mountains, haze, mini-golf, arcades, elephant ears, motels, liquor
> stores, go-karts, wax museums, and Dolly Parton.
>
> OR
>
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Hey mang, whats with the negative waves?
Joe
> One of my favorites! How bout an RMGD
> get together next summer at Bryce...or Moab??
YES!
I'd have to look at a map to see the exact name (I think of it as
Franklin's Tower), but about 5 or 6 miles upriver from Moab is a lovely,
spectacularly beautiful group campground. And, it's far enough up from the
river so that mosquito's aren't a problem!
An RMGD group camping trip there wouild be wonderful.
However, Spring or Fall would be much better.
The last time I was in Moab, it was in July, and it was something like 109
at 7pm in the shade.
Seriously, I'd love to do a RMGD group trip to Southern Utah.
Joe
Joe
> Theresa, if you ever get the chance, try to make a drive over Tioga
> Pass in Yosemite. The road is only open in the summer time but the
> views are INCREDIBLE! Last week I drove east over Tioga Pass, stopped
> by Mono Lake, visited a ghost town in Bodie, CA, and then headed north
> from there up to South Lake Tahoe. The scenery the entire was was
> beautiful!
Next week, I'm going camping near the Tioga Pass.
In July, the wildflower display there is supposed to be as good as it
gets, and my Botany class (yay Merritt College!!) is camping at Saddlebag
Lake for 4 nights.
We just got back from 4 nights in Eastern Oregon, at Steen Mountain.
Surrounded by high desert, Steen Mountain rises up to 10,000 feet and it's
the northernmost mountain of the Great Basin. It also happens to be one of
those "botanical hotspots" that is so special and so unique that it's
impossible to describe.
But hey, anytime you find yourself 150 miles north of Winnemucca, check it
out.
And, the next time you're near the Tioga Pass, make sure you check out
either Travertine or Buckeye Hotsprings, both located in the vicinity of
Bridgeport. Or, if you've never been to Hot Creek near Mammoth, check that
out!
I love the Eastern Sierra!
Joe
Joe
> Redwoods National Park also. Overlooked, empty and friggin' beautiful...
The ride up Bald Hills Road is unbelievable, the first week of July.
There's mile after mile after mile of Leopard Lily (Lilium columbiana), as
far as the eye can see.
It's a sight to see.
Joe
Brad Greer
>theothr1 <theo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> One of my favorites! How bout an RMGD
>> get together next summer at Bryce...or Moab??
>
>YES!
>
>I'd have to look at a map to see the exact name (I think of it as
>Franklin's Tower), but about 5 or 6 miles upriver from Moab is a lovely,
>spectacularly beautiful group campground. And, it's far enough up from the
>river so that mosquito's aren't a problem!
>
>An RMGD group camping trip there wouild be wonderful.
>
>However, Spring or Fall would be much better.
>
>The last time I was in Moab, it was in July, and it was something like 109
>at 7pm in the shade.
Yeah, but it's a dry heat.
Moab can be brutal, I agree that spring or fall is a better time to go
there.
Joe
> obsidian. Then we headed over to Newberry. From there we drove back
> down to California through the Lava Beds National Monument (site of
> the last Indian War where Captain Jack led the remaining Nez Perce in
> hiding out from the US Army who were ordered to march them back east
> to a reservation.)
Not quite...
Captain Jack was a Modoc, and in their infinite wisdom, the US Cavalry
under General Canby decided that the Modocs would be better suited if they
lived 30 miles away from their ancestral home at Lava Beds. So, he moved
them.
It was then that Captain Jack moved back to the Stronghold overlooking
Tule Lake, and it was there that he held off the US Cavalry for 6 months.
They managed to kill General Canby, but ultimately, the Modocs were moved
to a reservation in Oklahoma.
I've camped at Lava Beds probably 10 times. I just love climbing through
all those lava tubes.
Joe
Thomas Beck
"Joe" <jo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> theothr1 <theo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > One of my favorites! How bout an RMGD
> > get together next summer at Bryce...or Moab??
Bryce Canyon NP will totally blow you away
if you've never seen it. As an aside, when I
was there, they had a wide variety of different
accomodations ranging from simple tent sites to
cabins with kitchens and cooking utensils to
choose from.
Tom
--
"And the whole wide world is watching"
>
> YES!
Joker
I try not to let facts get in the way of a good story, but you are
correct, and I thank you for stepping in where memory failed me. It's
been 10 years since I was there.
The lava tubes are pretty amazing. Did you ever see the petraglyphs
(sp?) on the rocks along what was once the eastern shore of Tule Lake?
Joe
> I try not to let facts get in the way of a good story, but you are
> correct, and I thank you for stepping in where memory failed me. It's
> been 10 years since I was there.
But, but, but...
You don't need to embellish the story of Captain Jack. After all, he was
the 19th century version of an Edward Abbey anti-hero taking on the US
Cavalry and holding them off for 6 months.
Lava Beds National Monument is one of my favorite places on earth. It
offers a kindler and gentler form of spelunking, with the deepest cave
being 1 mile underground. There's more than 400 caves there, and it's just
a wonderful and adventurous place to go.
Remember the Modocs! Long Live Captain Jack!
Joe