POLL -- Are You One of the 26% of American Adults Favoring Impeachment? Impeach Yourself!
Isabella
Please indulge this semi-off-topic poll for a quick read.
POLL -- Are You One of the 26% of American Adults Favoring Impeachment?
1. Yes
2. No
3. Undecided
If you answerd "No", why the heck not?
If "Undecided", what more evidence will it take?
Whether you're Liberal or Conservative, eventually you have to come to
your senses, right?
So, are you tired of Bush's crimes against America and Americans, or
what?
If you are, then it's high time that you Impeach Yourself!
Yes, Impeach _Yourself_! How do you do that?
Well, we've made it easy for you to "Impeach Yourself".
Simply visit http://impeach.cf.HuffingtonPost.com
And after watching that inspiring impeachment video a few times, send
it off to impeach your friends and family as well!
It's an uplifting collage of people from all over America doing their
patriotic free speech duty with cardboard, paint brushes, duct tape,
and maybe a couple of bungee cords. After seeing it, you'll probably
want to paint up a couple "impeach" signs yourself. And send a picture
of them off to the original Freeway Blogger, who is compiling quite a
collection of American democracy in action.
Because if you want to see some positive changes for the better, then
you're probably gonna have to put at least a _little_ minor effort
into it -- in this world, anyway. Even if it's nothing more than just
sending an email off to your pals, impeaching their
mainstream-media-induced non-democratic apathy.
And, just as a reminder, here are some of the impeachable crimes that
Bush and his foolishly proud greedy arrogant ilk have committed against
America and Americans -- astoundingly, they've actually managed to make
Nixon look like a saint:
* Treason -- Knowingly trumping-up false intelligence reports in order
to fearmonger, THEN unnecessarily deploying American forces into an
illegal and dangerous pre-emptive war -- and THEN inciting terrorism
towards our troops by cockily and stupidly daring the future opposing
forces to "Bring it on!", live, on TV (from the complete safety of his
secret service perimeter -- meanwhile Bush couldn't even summon up the
courage to meet face-to-face with grieving Peace Mom, Cindy Sheehan --
instead he allows a back-door smearjob to be hammered against the
grieving mother of one of his sacrificed soldiers while he attempots to
take a nice relaxing bike ride on a fine summer Texan afternoon, far
away from Iraqi combat zones).
* Organizing and implementing the outing of and/or intimidation of US
intelligence agents whom either personally questioned the
rush-to-unnecessary-war policies of the Bush Administration or were
related to people who did.
* Lying under oath -- a very serious and solemn public oath -- twice --
January 20th, 2001 & January 20th, 2005 in regards to preserving,
protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United Staes to the
best of his ability, among other things Bush swore to do on those two
inaugural ocassions.
* Unilateral Warrantless Invasions of Privacy and Violations of Free
Speech, etc. with no credible explanation or reasons as to why he did
not follow the perfectly reasonable laws -- wisely set up by our
founding fathers to provide checks and balances on out of control
tyrants.
Is that enough, or would you like more?
* Violating international laws and treaties for no good credible
reason, thus alienating nearly the entire world against American
society (whom were formerly sympathetic).
* Theocrasizing the US government, etc..
* Grossly misleading the American people on all manner of issues for
his own personal gain <--- this one may not be impeachable, but it's
definitely not good for the sentencing phase (should Bush be
meglomaniacal enough to insist on a trial instead of humbly stepping
down and going back to one of his numerous failed businesses).
* Allowing the US to remain woefully unprepared for all manner of
fear-mongered disasters (unexpectedly exposed by Hurricane Katrina)
<--- That IS definitely criminal, though the numerous laws it violates
are best left up to prosecuters, Gross Negligence? Reckless
Endangerment? Dereliction of Duty? We are not lawyers, we are merely
common-sense, freedom-loving Americans of reasonable conscience.
Unfortunately, we could go on and on listing Bush's crimes against
America and Americans, but that should do for now.
For a most amazingly cogent analysis of the Bush regime, check out this
moving piece of American patriotism at its finest:
Notes for Converts
By Jane Smiley
HuffingtonPost.com
03.21.2006 10:22pm
http://tinyurl.com/rbgzs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/notes-for-converts_b_17662.html
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account to be used initially to promote the impeachment of Criminal
Bush, and later to post your own original articles to TheBlogettes.com
blog -- a mostly fun-loving blog produced by fun-loving blogettes.
Thanks for your time and consideration, DeadHeadies.
--
Missy
It only takes one seven-letter word:
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We're Smart. We're Sexy.
And We're Successful.
Joe
>isab...@TheBlogettes.com and you'll be given a Blogette posting
>account to be used initially to promote the impeachment of Criminal
>Bush, and later to post your own original articles to TheBlogettes.com
>blog -- a mostly fun-loving blog produced by fun-loving blogettes.
earned all the contempt and ridicule and anger that is being heaped on
them.
Bush is indeed a blood-thirsty demonic dictator that needs to be
impeached, imprisoned, and mocked. But puh-leazzze....rmgd is a perfectly
acceptable and perfect place to bad mouth the genocidal mass murderers in
power.
So, you come join us instead.
But first, answer this, Isabella: What are you wearing right about now?
Joe
Isabella
> >If you'd like to become one of TheBlogettes, send an email off to
> >isab...@TheBlogettes.com and you'll be given a Blogette posting
> >account to be used initially to promote the impeachment of Criminal
> >Bush, and later to post your own original articles to TheBlogettes.com
> >blog -- a mostly fun-loving blog produced by fun-loving blogettes.
>
> Bush, and in fact all the Republican scumbag swine, have worked hard
> and earned all the contempt and ridicule and anger that is being heaped
> on them.
Heh.
> Bush is indeed a blood-thirsty demonic dictator that needs to be
> impeached, imprisoned, and mocked. But puh-leazzze....rmgd is
> a perfectly acceptable and perfect place to bad mouth the genocidal
> mass murderers in power.
Cool.
> So, you come join us instead.
OK
> But first, answer this, Isabella: What are you wearing right about now?
Something far less interesting than I'll be wearing later tonight.
> Joe
So, Joe, I guess you voted yes, to impeaching the scoundrel, right?
Don't be surprised, I'm only somewhat psychic.
The rest is sheer luck.
Richard Morris
"Isabella" <isab...@theblogettes.com> wrote in message
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> http://TheBlogettes.com
> We're Smart. We're Sexy.
> And We're Successful.
Oh well ... two out of three ain't bad.
R.
Joe
>> But first, answer this, Isabella: What are you wearing right about now?
> Something far less interesting than I'll be wearing later tonight.
Hmmm. Are you by any chance single?
> So, Joe, I guess you voted yes, to impeaching the scoundrel, right?
> Don't be surprised, I'm only somewhat psychic.
LOL
It shouldn't take a psychic to know that I utterly despise republicans.
Just reading a few of my posts ought to convince anyone where I stand.
In fact, I'm rmgd's chief proponent of having Bush and Cheney tossed into
Abu Ghraib-USA. But, for today, I'll be content knowing that Bush and all
his cronies are eating "food" tonight that's laced with pesticides and
chemicals.
So, I'd love to have an anti-Bush partner here on rmgd.
After all, impeachment is hard work, and being a hippie Dead Head, I'm
sometimes distracted by the important task at hand.
In any case, welcome to rmgd. This is an anti-Bush newsgroup that
occassionally discusses other important things in life, like music and
drugs.
Make yourself at home.
If you wrote that first post, you might be even more convincing than me on
the reasons why Bush's Toxic States of Murder have to go!
And if you ever to borrow my soapbox, just holler.
NOW, Let's raise our voices up, rmgd. I can't hear you yet! Scream it out:
IMPEACH BUSH. Say it again: IMPEACH BUSH. And again: IMPEACH BUSH !
Joe
Isabella
> Isabella <isab...@theblogettes.com> wrote:
>
> >> But first, answer this, Isabella: What are you wearing right about now?
> >
> > Something far less interesting than I'll be wearing later tonight.
>
> Hmmm. Are you by any chance single?
Sometimes.
> > So, Joe, I guess you voted yes, to impeaching the scoundrel, right?
> >
> > Don't be surprised, I'm only somewhat psychic.
>
> LOL
>
> It shouldn't take a psychic to know that I utterly despise republicans.
Well, I personally don't despise Republicans.
On the whole, I just think they need to be a bit more compassionate and
thoughtful and far less short-sighted and self-serving. Some of my
best friends are Republicans, albeit moderates.
I kinda feel sorry for the rabid Kool Aid drinker variety. They have
no thoughts or lives of their own. They're gulping down the Kool Aid
for Jonestownian madmen.
> Just reading a few of my posts ought to convince anyone where I stand.
I'll do that once I find some free time.
> In fact, I'm rmgd's chief proponent of having Bush and Cheney tossed
> into Abu Ghraib-USA.
That could pssibly go a long way towards enlightening them to their
atrocities. But i'd be happy if they just got out of the halls of
power and let some far less psychoticly destructive people run things
for a while.
> But, for today, I'll be content knowing that Bush and all his
> cronies are eating "food" tonight that's laced with pesticides
> and chemicals.
Well, that's what happens when they promote a totally unregulated
marketplace. Pesticides make the food much more profitable to produce.
But not all those chemicals are necessarily bad for you. It's
largely a matter of science, common sense, and common decency.
> So, I'd love to have an anti-Bush partner here on rmgd.
I'm definitely AGAINST Bush. 99.5% or more.
And I'm 99% FOR Ammerica.
Bush and his ilk make up most of that 1% percent.
The others are in jail.
> After all, impeachment is hard work, and being a hippie Dead Head,
> I'm sometimes distracted by the important task at hand.
Of course.
> In any case, welcome to rmgd. This is an anti-Bush newsgroup
> that occassionally discusses other important things in life,
> like music and drugs.
Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Bruce, Roxy Music, Pink Floyd, Bowie, Gabriel,
Eno, etc., and formerly Homegrown, many moons ago -- because it always
smelled so good at concerts. But I haven't done any drugs in years.
Besides liquor, that is.
> Make yourself at home.
Thanks.
> If you wrote that first post, you might be even more convincing than
> me on the reasons why Bush's Toxic States of Murder have to go!
Yes. I wrote it. I've been tweaking it all day. Posting versions
here and there. It's still full of typos and needs a bit more
editting, but that's how I work. On the fly.
> And if you ever to borrow my soapbox, just holler.
Holler!
> NOW, Let's raise our voices up, rmgd. I can't hear you yet!
> Scream it out: IMPEACH BUSH. Say it again: IMPEACH BUSH.
> And again: IMPEACH BUSH !
Yes!
And please visit my video site and pass it on, if you don't mind.
It will definitely help the cause.
And do send some "Impeach" sign photos off to the original Freeway
Blogger dude, who is truly brilliant. Read the blog:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com to see why. The explanations given
are so comic and simple. It's beautiful.
> Joe
Isabella
> "Isabella" <isab...@theblogettes.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> > http://TheBlogettes.com
> > We're Smart. We're Sexy.
> > And We're Successful.
>
> Oh well ... two out of three ain't bad.
Pretty clever.
I can't even think of a witty comeback.
Well, I could, but then you'd be far too dangerously envious of me.
--
Missy
It only takes one seven-letter word:
Richard Morris
> Richard Morris wrote:
>
>> "Isabella" <isab...@theblogettes.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>> > http://TheBlogettes.com
>> > We're Smart. We're Sexy.
>> > And We're Successful.
>>
>> Oh well ... two out of three ain't bad.
>
> Pretty clever.
>
> I can't even think of a witty comeback.
>
> Well, I could, but then you'd be far too dangerously envious of me.
Oh, I doubt it. I have never been envious of people who are motivated by
power, money or position!
In my opinion, people who set out to be "a success" have their priorities
wrong. In my opinion, success is best achieved as a by-product of doing
something that is intrinsically meaningful. And people who posture
themselves as "smart, sexy and successful" typically aren't ... and even if
they are, they are also incredibly self-absorbed.
But then on the other hand, I also recognize the humor in your signature ...
which is why I responded to it in kind.
R.
Jeff
> Joe <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> Isabella <isab...@theblogettes.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> But first, answer this, Isabella: What are you wearing right about now?
>>> Something far less interesting than I'll be wearing later tonight.
>> Hmmm. Are you by any chance single?
>
> Sometimes.
Joe and Isabella, Sitting in a tree
I-M-P-E-A-Ch-iNG
jeniferlewis
Isabella wrote:
> Dearest Deadheads,
> POLL -- Are You One of the 26% of American Adults Favoring Impeachment?
>
> 1. Yes
>
> 2. No
>
> 3. Undecided
>
> If you answerd "No", why the heck not?
At this point, my answer is "no." My reason? Take a look at who would
replace Bush. If we get both Bush and Cheney, take a look at who would
replace them, and so on and so forth right on down the line.
I don't need any lectures about how dreadful this administration is. I
am one of those who knew back in 1999 where this crowd was going.
Every time I tried to direct a Bush fan to the PNAC website, the
response was, "Don't be so paranoid." On 9/11 my husband and I agreed
they now had the excuse they wanted to attack Iraq, whether or not
Hussein was even involved, which of course he was not. I could go on,
but I'll spare y'all the diatribe. As we all know, everything these
lying fascists have done over the last five years was completely
predictable.
No, I don't want them in power a minute longer. Will impeachment help?
Hardly. Look at the cowardly response towards a simple "censure"
proposal.
We didn't get into this mess overnight, and there is not a simple
Band-Aid solution, much as I would love to think otherwise. We need
real leadership from across the political spectrum. True conservatives
(you remember them: small government, fiscal responsibility, etc.) must
join forces with liberals who aren't ashamed of the name and all it
stands for (e.g. feeding the hungry, a progressive tax structure, etc.)
to rally around what they have in common (e.g. responsibility to each
other and our descendents).
The single most important thing everyone must do is to stop letting the
Rovian Rules continue to obfuscate the real issues behind smokescreens
of hate. Some say the only way to beat them is to use the same
tactics. But if we plant ice, we're gonna harvest wind.
georgej...@gmail.com
concert in the War Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY) and there were
people on his first day as President saying that there may actually be
grounds for impeachment as evidence of bribes had been seen. This is
like a blast from the past, Liz Holtzman and Hillary Clinton the only
two women on the "Watergate" investigation of President Nixon's
committee. Mrs. Clinton is currently my State Senator in New York, and
has been doing a fine job in my opinion. I work in public archaeology
and once worked for NYPIRG selling "Public Citizen" subscriptions
door-to-door on Long Island. They have filed a number of lawsuits
recently, Public Citizen, founded but not run by Ralph Nader, one
against the budget bill not voted on by the House, approved by the
Senate and signed by HIs Excellency GWB, and another joined with the
Teamsters Union, headed by duly elected James P. Hoffa, a lawyer, which
wants to return the safe hours and trucking regualtions the Bush
Administration has deregulated. I'm with Representative Conyers,
investigate, investigate, investigate.
Isabella
> Isabella wrote:
>
> > Dearest Deadheads,
>
> > POLL -- Are You One of the 26% of American Adults Favoring Impeachment?
> >
> > 1. Yes
> >
> > 2. No
> >
> > 3. Undecided
> >
> > If you answerd "No", why the heck not?
>
>
> At this point, my answer is "no." My reason? Take a look at who
> would replace Bush.
Not Cheney. Any impeachment proceeding would cook Cheney's goose as
well. probably others. My guess is that, on day two of Congressional
hearings, there would be a mass resignation of officials cutting
sweetheart deals to avoid the death penalty -- their favorite
legislation.
And that would be fine with me.
Get them out of the halls of power where they can do no more damage.
> If we get both Bush and Cheney, take a look at who would
> replace them, and so on and so forth right on down the line.
But that's like saying that we shouldn't prosecute car-jackers because
there's an endless supply. Frankly, that's a pretty crazy notion. We
need to set an example by starting the impeachment process in order to
discourage the type of behavior that justifies being impeached. If we
don't impeach, what message does that send?
"You can do whatever the hell you please, no matter what, and continue
to get away with it because there's so many of you. We simply don't
care enough and/or we are not brave enough to stand up to you and tell
you that we are not going to stand by and allow you to continue
behaving like you have been doing."
When we should be saying: "Enough! Resign, or go to trial."
We don't allow car-jackers to continue unabated, likewise, the
President is NOT above the law.
We true Americans must demonstrate to the world that America and
democracy is a _good_ thing, a good thing that actually works and weeds
out the really crappy folks.
Otherwise, our credibility in "promoting democracy" is seen as the
biggest joke of all time. Worse than that, actually.
> I don't need any lectures about how dreadful this administration is.
But you may need a lecture about allowing car-jackers to stay in
business, totally undisturbed and unhassled by any of that law and
order crap.
> I am one of those who knew back in 1999 where this crowd was going.
> Every time I tried to direct a Bush fan to the PNAC website, the
> response was, "Don't be so paranoid." On 9/11 my husband and I
> agreed they now had the excuse they wanted to attack Iraq, whether
> or not Hussein was even involved, which of course he was not.
> I could go on, but I'll spare y'all the diatribe. As we all know,
> everything these lying fascists have done over the last five years
> was completely predictable.
>
> No, I don't want them in power a minute longer.
Hello?
> Will impeachment help?
Definitely.
It will send the message that the car-jackings will NOT be tolerated.
> Hardly. Look at the cowardly response towards a simple "censure"
> proposal.
The censure proposal was manipulated for just that reason.
To discourage impeachment talk.
It was an easy sell to impede a mere censure motion.
Currently, 26% of American adults want Bush impeached.
That's like almost 80 million people, or something.
Those are the people who actually pay some attention to the news.
The majority of the rest will follow once the case is made.
Except for the Jonestownian Kool Aid drinkers, of course.
> We didn't get into this mess overnight, and there is not a simple
> Band-Aid solution, much as I would love to think otherwise.
Um... band-Aid solution?
You don't set car-jackers free as a method of reducing car-jacking.
> We need real leadership from across the political spectrum.
Agreed. Starting with people who won't tolerate car-jackers.
> True conservatives (you remember them: small government,
> fiscal responsibility, etc.) must join forces with liberals
> who aren't ashamed of the name and all it stands for (e.g.
> feeding the hungry, a progressive tax structure, etc.)
> to rally around what they have in common (e.g. responsibility
> to each other and our descendents).
Agreed. And they will.
Especially if the car-jackers aren't rewarded and enabled and
encouraged.
> The single most important thing everyone must do is to stop
> letting the Rovian Rules continue to obfuscate the real issues
> behind smokescreens of hate.
Agreed again.
> Some say the only way to beat them is to use the same tactics.
Those who claim that impeaching Bush is in any equivalent to that
fiasco of impeaching Clinton are the most dishonest people of all time.
Apples and Oranges.
Blow Jobs and Watergates.
Watergates and Constitution-shreddings.
One is tempted to believe that the whole frivolous Clinton impeachment
may have been a setup to make way for.. The Unimpeachables!
Gawd. What a scam.
> But if we plant ice, we're gonna harvest wind.
If we don't have the cajones to plant the car-jackers in a courtroom,
they're going to continue to car-jack.
Day in, Day out.
And they'll be laughing all the way to their car-dealing fences about
all those who they've conned and/or intimidated into thinking that
car-jackers ought to be left completely to their own devices -- with
not even a censure, let alone an opportunity to resign from car-jacking
before going to jail (or perhaps some cold and dank Texas electric
chair).
It's as simple as that.
Even _they_ know they've gone too far, they have some degree of
consciences, but people like you keep enabling them.
How silly is that?
jeniferlewis
You seem to think that all we have to do is start the impeachment ball
rolling, and the whole crooked fascist bunch will fall like a line of
dominoes.
Much as I love the thought of that, and have in fact lowered my blood
pressure from time to time by indulging in that lovely fantasy, it is
only a fantasy. The reality is that, while 26% of American adults may
be in favor of impeachment, the shrub still has an approval rating
higher than that, say around 36%. (As depressing as that is, my
husband reminds me that Nixon still had about a 25% approval rating the
day he resigned. There's nothing like a True Believer.)
I don't trust anyone currently in Congress to have the courage to do
what has to be done. At this point, the Dems are only the lesser of
two evils, but they are the only ones with enough numbers to be able to
do anything at all, so we're stuck with them.
"Those who claim that impeaching Bush is in any equivalent to that
fiasco of impeaching Clinton are the most dishonest people of all
time."
Sorry if I expressed myself that badly. I do not in any way equate
impeaching Clinton over lying about a blowjob to the shrub's sending
thousands of people to their deaths on false pretenses. I was
referring to the tactics Rove learned from Atwater and Segretti, all of
which would be on full display in all their nauseating glory if the
impeachment process actually got underway.
However, you make a good point. Many Republicans in Congress do draw
that analogy, and they are horrified at the thought that their boy king
might be thrown back in their faces in the same way they love to dredge
up the Clinton name whenever anyone points out their crimes and
hypocrisies. Those are the ones who will obstruct any attempt at
impeachment.
"If we don't have the cajones to plant the car-jackers in a courtroom,
they're going to continue to car-jack. "
I am not saying these lying murdering fascists don't belong in orange
jumpsuits picking up garbage along the side of the road. I am saying
that I do not see it as a realistic strategy. The problem goes much
deeper than that.
It is not people like me who have been "enabling" them. It is the
absurdly large number of people who have fallen for the idea that the
shrub is a regular guy, like them, that he would never deliberately
hurt their children, that his tax cuts are somehow good for anyone
other than the wealthiest 1% of the population, and (worst of all) that
supporting him is the "Christian" thing to do. Appealing to this bunch
of critical-thinking-impaired bunch is what keeps many politicians in
office, and it has been the case for a long time.
The mid-term elections are going to call the next set of shots. If the
brown-nosers masquerading as Republicans retain their majorities in the
House and Senate, then I don't see how talk of impeachment is any more
than a blood-pressure-lowering fantasy. However ...
As of yesterday, I was pinning my hopes for this nation on two things:
(1) Fitzgerald's prosecution of the Plame leakers and (2) the trial of
Abramoff. Out of these two cases can come the actual legal charges
that might start the ball rolling to completely discredit these lying
murdering fascists even in the minds of some of the True Believers.
As of today, I have a fresh hope: the continued flow of memos from
London showing that we paranoids were right all along, that the shrub
and his handlers always intended to subvert the Constitution. I don't
know who has the standing to file a lawsuit, not being a lawyer myself,
but I think they will begin shortly, and I'm looking forward to the
spectacle of the shrub's lawyers trying to make a case that Mr.
Personal Responsibility should not be held accountable for his actions.
I don't care if it happens after 2008. At the end of the day, all that
matters is that they all get their just reward, and then we can tell
our children that the rule of law does work, for everyone.
I would like to be wrong about impeachment, and I hope I am wrong.
Your domino theory is most appealing.
Joe
like to share a practical way to hurt the SOBs where it hurts the most...
in their wallets.
But first, let me just say that as much as I bash Bush and despise Cheney,
they're still in power, and I'm not...
I think the most important thing we can do these days is to vote with our
wallets. Shop locally. Don't support the war-makers, boycott those who
make money from war. Whenever possible.
I switched to eating organic as a political statement. I'm supporting the
farmers down the road, and steering my money away from Rumsfeld's pals at
Monsanto.
That, and writing/calling politicians and marching in the streets is
really all any of us can do. Well, that....and living well is the best
revenge.
Just last week, I told my cohorts at the environmental organization on
whose Board of Directors I'm part of just how much what we do is the
antidote to Bush's fascism.
And damn, just today, I see that the 9th circuit court of appeals
ruled in favor of the endangered species my organization cares so much
about, and against Bush.
In any case, if you do indeed have republicans as friends (gulp!), just
talking to them should help. I know no republicans, as I live in the
People's Republic of Marin - the spiritual home of the environmental
movement.
Welcome again to rmgd.
Joe
jeniferlewis
"I think the most important thing we can do these days is to vote with
our wallets. Shop locally. Don't support the war-makers, boycott those
who make money from war. Whenever possible."
Amen. I recommend "Fast Food Nation" to many people, all of whom are
blown away and then change their buying and eating habits.
"And damn, just today, I see that the 9th circuit court of appeals
ruled in favor of the endangered species my organization cares so much
about, and against Bush."
Yes! Little drops of water, little grains of sand ... it's great to
see these incremental push-backs in spite of the way Bush has filled
the second and third tier positions at the EPA and Interior with
industry lobbyists.
"In any case, if you do indeed have republicans as friends (gulp!),
just talking to them should help."
I have tried that for several years now, and always in a respectful
way. One blew up in a rage, called me vile names, and thus helped me
understand that we weren't the friends I thought we were. Many of the
rest, when faced with the fallacies of their positions (e.g. science is
good only when it confirms something they want to hear), have generally
said, "Maybe we shouldn't talk about this," and I let them off the
hook. One friend with whom I'm still having these discussions is
domestically partnered with someone who holds views similar to mine, so
when we discuss current events we try to explain to our beloved
Republican that her beloved party is not the party she originally
joined.
Some of them are now being confronted (with no help from me) with the
reality of what has really been going on, and I am not piling on. It's
kind of like when someone you know is going out with a real scumbag and
doesn't realize it, you say something about it, your friend gets upset,
you realize you have to leave it alone, and then your friend realizes
the sweetheart is actually a scumbag. There is a sense of shame, a
fear of hearing "I told you so" that comes over the friendship like a
cloud. The kindest thing to do is keep loving your friend and be as
patient as you'd want your friend to be with you were the positions
reversed, as they probably have been at some point.
I find the best way to do it is to simply discuss the disparities
between the old-time Republicans and the new-style Repugnants. I've
been astonished at how many people do not know how the planks of the
GOP platform have changed during this "pander to the fundamentalists"
period. I keep telling them, "Your party has been hijacked, and you
are the only ones who can take it back."
Joe
> I have tried that for several years now, and always in a respectful
> way. One blew up in a rage, called me vile names, and thus helped me
> understand that we weren't the friends I thought we were.
I feel so fortunate that everyone I know is liberal, and all my local
politicians are liberal, and that the state I live in has enacted the most
stringent rules for keeping our air and water clean.
Where I live, the politicians actually vie for an endorsement from the
Sierra Club. Even my county doesn't have to be sued to take steps to save
endangered species.
That said, I couldn't discuss politics with anyone who thinks it's OK to
invade another country for no reason other than economic as the US has
done with Iraq.
Then again, I think republicans are mentally ill and the last thing I'd
want to do is discuss anything with anyone suffering from delusions.
In any case, with republicans controlling both the Senate and the House,
talk of impeachment is kinda like pissing in the wind. I've called my
representative, who is on the House Judiciary Committe (they're the ones
who can initiate impeachment hearings) and demanded that she initiate a
move to impeach. That call, and $5, will get me over the Golden Gate
Bridge.
I made that call for me, to ease my anger at those fools who have trampled
everything good about America and turned our country into the United
States of Evil.
Unfortunately, I also believe that Diebold voting machines will rule that
the Republicans will all win landslide mid-term elections in November.
Nothing left to do, but...
But what? I dunno. I've never lived in a Fascist dictatorship before.
Joe
Isabella
> Since you're new around here, Isabelle (or at least I think you are),
> I'd like to share a practical way to hurt the SOBs where it hurts
> the most... in their wallets.
Yes, I'm new around here. And you're right about their wallets.
They value their wallets more than their souls, the silly fucks.
I like money and whatnot, too. But I know what's truly important.
And it's not cash, nor toys.
Anyway, could you try this web link for me and let me know if it's
working ok for all you guys?
And if it works, besides letting me know, which I'd really appreciate a
whole lot, please pass it on to all of your pals -- and ask them if it
works for them as well.
Many many thanks.
> But first, let me just say that as much as I bash Bush and despise
> Cheney, they're still in power, and I'm not...
>
> I think the most important thing we can do these days is to vote
> with our wallets. Shop locally. Don't support the war-makers,
> boycott those who make money from war. Whenever possible.
Makes perfect sense. Wage peace. Promote peaceful enterprises.
There should be a Peace Incentive Program where the government offers
large amounts of cash to people who figure out ways to solve bitter
conflicts peacefully.
A couple billion should cover it. Chump change, in the big picture.
IOW: Besides "Giving Peace a Chance", Give Peace an Incentive, FFS!
It's way too easy to profit from war. Way too easy.
That's why so many stupid uncreative evil scoundrels gravitate towards
it.
Goodbye soul. Hello wallet.
But what they forget about is the cost in Karma.
There's no negiotiating away bad karma. Nope.
It's a universal law that cannot be broken, no matter what.
Even Jesus tried to warn everyone about that.
> I switched to eating organic as a political statement. I'm supporting
> the farmers down the road, and steering my money away from Rumsfeld's
> pals at Monsanto.
>
> That, and writing/calling politicians and marching in the streets
> is really all any of us can do. Well, that....and living well is
> the best revenge.
>
> Just last week, I told my cohorts at the environmental organization
> on whose Board of Directors I'm part of just how much what we do is
> the antidote to Bush's fascism.
Makes perfect sense, yet again.
> And damn, just today, I see that the 9th circuit court of appeals
> ruled in favor of the endangered species my organization cares so
> much about, and against Bush.
Poor Bush. I hope he's not too saddened by it.
> In any case, if you do indeed have republicans as friends (gulp!),
Yes, I do. Many.
> just talking to them should help.
It does. But some of them are pretty thick.
Their revelations fade after a couple of weeks.
I blame the media.
> I know no republicans, as I live in the People's Republic of Marin
LOL.
> - the spiritual home of the environmental movement.
Mother Earth. Father Time.
Sister Sun. Brother Galaxy.
Cousin Vinny.
> Welcome again to rmgd.
Thanks, Joe.