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 More options Apr 17 2012, 2:47 am
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From: Ray <rayb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 17 2012 2:47 am
Subject: Re: depressing
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On Apr 16, 10:36 pm, devilphish <robsfootballpi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Apr 16, 5:03 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Apr 16, 7:52 pm, Ray <rayb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > Yup. Like I said:

> > > Time never changes for a given observer - it can only "dilate" (or
> > > contract) *relative* to other physical things that the observer can
> > > observe.

> > So my original question -- which was only silly and speculative --
> > might make more sense if we use that satellite.

> > If we could send it "magically" back to the aftermath of the BB, would
> > its clock be spinning more quickly or more slowly? I think it would
> > have to be spinning more quickly, because the whole of the universe
> > was more compact -- more "full" of gravity.

> You're "full" of crap.

> What's the one place on Earth where there is no gravity?  (no, not in
> orbit, that's not on Earth)  In the very center of the planet.  All
> gravitational pull cancels out.

> The very early universe was a big amorphous blob for a few hundred
> thousand years, with little differentiation from one point to
> another.  Gravity was fairly non-existent, not because there wasn't
> any mass (which there might have been very little of anyways, we just
> don't know), but because it wasn't concentrated in one place anymore
> than another.  Sure, there was some difference in concentration, but
> it was so small that it took a long while for "blobs" of concentration
> to appear, followed by stars & galaxies.

> And with your magical satellite, if you were with it then time would
> tick like normal, that's what time in your frame of reference does.
> If you were observing it from far away, its time dilation would depend
> on your relative speed and relative surrounding gravitational field.

> > As entropy unfolds, universally, our magical satellite would send back
> > readings that show time slowing. Eventually, "time" in the universe
> > will come to a halt?

> Time does approach a halt as you approach the event horizon of a black
> hole.  In fact, to an outside observer, someone falling into a black
> hole would never actually reach the event horizon, since from the
> outside observer's perspective, the person's time slows to zero when
> it gets to the event horizon.  To the person falling in the black
> hole, they get sucked in to obliteration all too rapidly.

Yep, and the way that would happen would be gruesome too:

The force of gravity is so strong near the event horizon that before
you reach it *tidal* gravitational forces would take over your body.
That is, if you are falling feet-first the gravity you would feel the
force of gravity stronger in your lower-half than in your upper half,
but just like earth tides their would be a corresponding pull in the
other direction too - you'd feel your body being pulled at both ends.
Then the blood accumulating in your feet and head would cause you to
back out, which is good for you because soon after your head and feet
would explode, followed soon after by the tidal forces ripping your
body in two. The tidal forces would then rip both of those two halves
of your in two, and then those four parts in two, and so on, while at
the same time the gravitational forces are also causing your body to
collapse inward as well - you turn into an ever-thinning and
lengthening -- it soon becomes miles long -- noodle of human goo.
Physicists call this phenomenon the highly-technical term
"spaghettifcation". The black hole then slurps your ever-thinning
human goo-noodle - ultimately (like, in a less than a second from your
perspective) becoming just 1 atom wide, and then sub-atomic particle-
wide, into its its unimaginably dense abyss.

Getting there is half the fun, as they say.

Have a nice day.  :-)


 
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