Sugar Cane Harris
Sweetbac
on the chatgroup?...anyone remember when Frank
was producing exciting music?..anyone remember
"Hot Rats"?...then you remember Sugar Cane Harris.
Bad, BAD funky ass violin player who lit that MF'in
session up.......yeah, him.
Get over to the Demon and pull this jam from 1971
"Sugar Cane Got the Blues"...a whole disc of ass kicking
shit from the maestro....The great Robert Wyatt is on drums.
Check it:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:0zfrxql0ld0e
Ray OHara
"Sweetbac" <swee...@scbglobal.net> wrote in message
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yeah I remember him.
muddy
> "Sweetbac" <sweetb...@scbglobal.net> wrote in message
played on 'willie the pimp' from hot rats......
James Pablos
> Bad, BAD funky ass violin player
Is this the dude you're talking about?
volkfolk
Dude, Billy Preston was a keyboard player. How the hell did you get to
Billy Preston in a post about Frank Zappa and Sugar Cane Harris?
Scot
volkfolk
Hot Rats is my favorite Zappa album. Peaches, Son of Mr Green Genes,
Willie The Pimp. Instrumental Zappa at his best
Scot
bzl...@aaool.com
Anything with Wyatt on drums has got to be good
Lfh
Hmm. Battery on your decoder ring getting low? Leaning a little too
hard on rationality and sense here? Six degrees of separation is how,
Scot. Think about it. Billy Mundi played drums around that time, and
Don Preston played keyboards, hence Billy Preston.
Fred
Lfh
Willie the Pimp was an instrumental?
Earregardless, Hot Rats has always been my 5/8/77 when it came to
Zappa. Ain’t a damn thing wrong with it, but I’ve never understood how
it got it’s status as Zappa’s besterest. I know Kelly is infatuated
with it, but now here you are doing The Son of Mr. Sweet Genes bit.
Guess it’s mileage and all that, but I think there’s all manner of
stuff that outpaces it, both compositionally and in Frank’s guitar
playing.
Nonetheless, I know folks generally point to In a Silent Way as the
first fusion album, but I think HR shares a lot of credit in that
dept, never mind Uncle Meat.
Fred
James Pablos
Thank God for you, Fred. At least someone around here gets it.
9fingers
I saw him at the first concert I went to - Cobo Hall in Detroit.
Steppenwolf was the headliner, and Mayall was the 2nd of 3 bands.
Can't remember who opened. Probably a local band.
Edwin Hurwitz
<a73aaa08-b92b-467b...@h20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Lfh <onetas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I agree with you on this one. HR is album for which I have deep respect,
but it doesn't get much play. it's kind of how I feel about Gong when
Pierre Moerlen was leading the band. I think my favorite Zappa is Live
at the Roxy.
Edwin
Lfh
> > > Hot Rats is my favorite Zappa album. Peaches, Son of Mr Green Genes,
> > > Willie The Pimp. Instrumental Zappa at his best
>
> > > Scot
>
> > Willie the Pimp was an instrumental?
>
> > Earregardless, Hot Rats has always been my 5/8/77 when it came to
> > Zappa. Ain¹t a damn thing wrong with it, but I¹ve never understood how
> > it got it¹s status as Zappa¹s besterest. I know Kelly is infatuated
> > with it, but now here you are doing The Son of Mr. Sweet Genes bit.
> > Guess it¹s mileage and all that, but I think there¹s all manner of
> > stuff that outpaces it, both compositionally and in Frank¹s guitar
> > playing.
>
> > Nonetheless, I know folks generally point to In a Silent Way as the
> > first fusion album, but I think HR shares a lot of credit in that
> > dept, never mind Uncle Meat.
>
> > Fred
>
> I agree with you on this one. HR is album for which I have deep respect,
> but it doesn't get much play. it's kind of how I feel about Gong when
> Pierre Moerlen was leading the band. I think my favorite Zappa is Live
> at the Roxy.
Oh, hell yeah, Edwin. Roxy and Elsewhere is the first thing I thought
of, as it’s my favorite album of his, too. Wakajawakazoo, (as I like
to think of Wakajawaka and Grand Wazoo, along the lines of
Workingman’s Beauty, in that though two releases, always seem like one
album to me) also comes to mind.
As for that Pothead Pixie Gong stuff, I couldn’t say, as that’s
Sweets’ domain, not mine.
Fred
yoker
> on the chatgroup?...
>
>
>
Yep, I remember him on Zappa's Hot Rats LP. (I don't have this CD)
He was also associated with John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers in
1975-76.
A rumor (I later found out that it was false) is that Don tuned down
work on the Dead's Blues For Allah & Garcia's Reflections projects
(and no violin parts there). Keith Olsen furthur perpetuated this
rumor with his mangeling of the Terrapin Station (Pt. 1) suite. This
story was told to me by a Sugar Cane Harris fan.
May Don "Sugar Cane Harris Rest In Peace.
Lfh
> On May 3, 8:43 pm, "Sweetbac" <sweetb...@scbglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone remember Sugar Cane?...any Zappa fans
> > on the chatgroup?...
>
> Yep, I remember him on Zappa's Hot Rats LP. (I don't have this CD)
> He was also associated with John Mayall & The Bluesbreakers in
> 1975-76.
>
> A rumor (I later found out that it was false) is that Don tuned down
> work on the Dead's Blues For Allah
That's not correct. He didn't tune down. He didn't even play on it. He
just posed for the cover.
Fred
Edwin Hurwitz
<1c3e28f2-4110-45ec...@s13g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Lfh <onetas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 12:07 pm, Edwin Hurwitz <ed...@indra.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hot Rats is my favorite Zappa album. Peaches, Son of Mr Green Genes,
> > > > Willie The Pimp. Instrumental Zappa at his best
> >
> > > > Scot
> >
> > > Willie the Pimp was an instrumental?
> >
> > > Earregardless, Hot Rats has always been my 5/8/77 when it came to
> > > Zappa. Ain1t a damn thing wrong with it, but I1ve never understood how
> > > it got it1s status as Zappa1s besterest. I know Kelly is infatuated
> > > with it, but now here you are doing The Son of Mr. Sweet Genes bit.
> > > Guess it1s mileage and all that, but I think there1s all manner of
> > > stuff that outpaces it, both compositionally and in Frank1s guitar
> > > playing.
> >
> > > Nonetheless, I know folks generally point to In a Silent Way as the
> > > first fusion album, but I think HR shares a lot of credit in that
> > > dept, never mind Uncle Meat.
> >
> > > Fred
> >
> > I agree with you on this one. HR is album for which I have deep respect,
> > but it doesn't get much play. it's kind of how I feel about Gong when
> > Pierre Moerlen was leading the band. I think my favorite Zappa is Live
> > at the Roxy.
>
> Oh, hell yeah, Edwin. Roxy and Elsewhere is the first thing I thought
> of, as it�s my favorite album of his, too. Wakajawakazoo, (as I like
> to think of Wakajawaka and Grand Wazoo, along the lines of
> Workingman�s Beauty, in that though two releases, always seem like one
> album to me) also comes to mind.
>
> As for that Pothead Pixie Gong stuff, I couldn�t say, as that�s
> Sweets� domain, not mine.
>
> Fred
Well, that's just it. With Pierre at the helm, it was straight up jazz
fusion with Allen Holdsworth, etc. I suppose a parallel could be made to
Roxy in that both had virtuoso mallet players.
"Everybody, watch Ruth!"
Whatever happened to the Underwoods?
Edwin
Sweetbac
"Edwin Hurwitz" <ed...@indra.com> wrote in message
> Well, that's just it. With Pierre at the helm, it was straight up jazz
> fusion with Allen Holdsworth, etc. I suppose a parallel could be made to
> Roxy in that both had virtuoso mallet players.
* Whew...I thought you were going to regale us with
tales of jamming with Sugar Cane in Boulder circa '78
Colour me surprised.
As for the mighty Gong....little rule of thumb...No Daevid
Allen ...NO Gong. Period.
Those Pierre records have NOTHING to do with Planet Gong.
Even the albums Gong made in '75 ( after Daevid had a nervous
breakdown and thought the world was coming to an end...
surprisingly the exact same time/psychosis of one Herr Fripp)
were sort of lukewarm jazz/fusion.
> Whatever happened to the Underwoods?
As much as the Roxy album suffers from the "comedy"
attempts, Napolean Brock geese farts and negro inspired
soft shoe routines, I gotta say that was one hell of a band...
Chet Thompson, soon to join Genesis, on tubs... Fowler on
bass...and the one and only never to be matched Ruth Underwear
on marimba and assorted percussion...Zapps last great band.
On that doc dvd on the making of "Overnite Sensations" Ruth
is interviewed and said she hasn't touched the instrument
in 30 years...not sure where/if her and Ian are still married.
Lfh
> > Whatever happened to the Underwoods?
>
> As much as the Roxy album suffers from the "comedy"
> attempts, Napolean Brock geese farts and negro inspired
> soft shoe routines, I gotta say that was one hell of a band...
> Chet Thompson, soon to join Genesis, on tubs... Fowler on
> bass...and the one and only never to be matched Ruth Underwear
> on marimba and assorted percussion...Zapps last great band.
Hell, there are those who say it was his *first* great band.
Nonetheless, it was a GREAT band.
Fred
kpn...@yahoo.com
Without a doubt, his best band.
Kurt
yoker
without the r , every thing changed, "A rumor (I later found out that
it was false) is that Don TURNED down work... "
BAD TYPING ON MY PART.
volkfolk
> On May 4, 5:46 am, volkfolk <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 3, 8:43 pm, "Sweetbac" <sweetb...@scbglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone remember Sugar Cane?...any Zappa fans
> > > on the chatgroup?...anyone remember when Frank
> > > was producing exciting music?..anyone remember
> > > "Hot Rats"?...then you remember Sugar Cane Harris.
> > > Bad, BAD funky ass violin player who lit that MF'in
> > > session up.......yeah, him.
> > > Get over to the Demon and pull this jam from 1971
> > > "Sugar Cane Got the Blues"...a whole disc of ass kicking
> > > shit from the maestro....The great Robert Wyatt is on drums.
> > > Check it:http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:0zfrxql0ld0e
>
> > Hot Rats is my favorite Zappa album. Peaches, Son of Mr Green Genes,
> > Willie The Pimp. Instrumental Zappa at his best
>
> > Scot
>
> Willie the Pimp was an instrumental?
Poorly worded, I was talking Peaches and SOMGG.
> Earregardless, Hot Rats has always been my 5/8/77 when it came to
> Zappa. Ain’t a damn thing wrong with it, but I’ve never understood how
> it got it’s status as Zappa’s besterest. I know Kelly is infatuated
> with it, but now here you are doing The Son of Mr. Sweet Genes bit.
> Guess it’s mileage and all that, but I think there’s all manner of
> stuff that outpaces it, both compositionally and in Frank’s guitar
> playing.
I'll have to pull it out and give it another listen. It's been too
long since I've listened to it. I'll have to get back to you on this.
> Nonetheless, I know folks generally point to In a Silent Way as the
> first fusion album, but I think HR shares a lot of credit in that
> dept, never mind Uncle Meat.
No disagreement here
Scot
Lfh
Ah, I get it now. Thanks for the info, yokster. I simply wasn’t able
to figure out that that was a typo there. Ok, now that I got it
straight, let me adjust my statement: “He just posed for the cover.”
Better?
Fred
Lfh
> I Used to Live In" and found out who he was.
Ah, Burnt Weeny Sandwhich. Holiday in Berlin (Full Blown) is one of my
favorite Zappa solos.
> If you haven't already, check out some of Harvey Mandel's albums too.
> "Baby Batter" and "The Snake" are essential listening.
Hey, that’s prolly where he got Baby Snakes from. He steals everything
you know. Impressive composer? Hah! Why, Artie Tripp could outdo him
after a couple of hours in the library, swear to Artie.
Fred
Sweetbac
"Lfh" <onetas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hey, that�s prolly where he got Baby Snakes from. He steals everything
> you know. Impressive composer? Hah! Why, Artie Tripp could outdo him
> after a couple of hours in the library, swear to Artie.
> Fred
Jesus...you're starting to make some sense for once.
As the day wears on, this kid gets more and more incoherent.
I guess it's better to catch him before the Purple Trainwreck
leaves the station.....ALL ABOARD!
3jane.
<tthomas@[REMOVE_TO_REPLY]ogre.net> wrote:
> I Used to Live In" and found out who he was.
>
>
> If you haven't already, check out some of Harvey Mandel's albums too.
> "Baby Batter" and "The Snake" are essential listening.
"Games Guitars Play" too.
Lfh
> "Lfh" <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Sweets, you know what a stickler I am re accuracy, so please. It’s
Bubble Gum Diesel Trainwreck, ‘k?
Fred
Edwin Hurwitz
"Sweetbac" <swee...@scbglobal.net> wrote:
> "Edwin Hurwitz" <ed...@indra.com> wrote in message
>
> > Well, that's just it. With Pierre at the helm, it was straight up jazz
> > fusion with Allen Holdsworth, etc. I suppose a parallel could be made to
> > Roxy in that both had virtuoso mallet players.
>
> * Whew...I thought you were going to regale us with
> tales of jamming with Sugar Cane in Boulder circa '78
> Colour me surprised.
> As for the mighty Gong....little rule of thumb...No Daevid
> Allen ...NO Gong. Period.
> Those Pierre records have NOTHING to do with Planet Gong.
> Even the albums Gong made in '75 ( after Daevid had a nervous
> breakdown and thought the world was coming to an end...
> surprisingly the exact same time/psychosis of one Herr Fripp)
> were sort of lukewarm jazz/fusion.
>
That was my point. While I never was in the same room with Sugar Cane, I
did open for Gong with Daevid Allen at the Crystal Ballroom in Portland
on their reunion tour. Does that make you feel better?
>
> > Whatever happened to the Underwoods?
>
> As much as the Roxy album suffers from the "comedy"
> attempts, Napolean Brock geese farts and negro inspired
> soft shoe routines, I gotta say that was one hell of a band...
> Chet Thompson, soon to join Genesis, on tubs... Fowler on
> bass...and the one and only never to be matched Ruth Underwear
> on marimba and assorted percussion...Zapps last great band.
> On that doc dvd on the making of "Overnite Sensations" Ruth
> is interviewed and said she hasn't touched the instrument
> in 30 years...not sure where/if her and Ian are still married.
Sad. Ruth is a great talent.
Edwin
Edwin Hurwitz
<587a554a-0cfa-42da...@r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
"kpn...@yahoo.com" <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think he had other bands full of talent, but to my ear they sound more
like a bunch of musicians in the same room rather than a band.
Edwin
pbuzb...@yahoo.com
> Whatever happened to the Underwoods?
Ian did a lot of session work on synths. Ruth became a mom. She and
Ian divorced sometime in the mid 70's.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Edwin Hurwitz
The Lord of Eltingville <tthomas@[REMOVE_TO_REPLY]ogre.net> wrote:
> Even after 30 years away from her marimba (at least professionally, I
> suspect she still plays for her own enjoyment), she still knocked a
> quick version of Rollo Interior (St Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast) out of
> the park.
>
> Here's her interview from that DVD:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSavN19ZJ4g
>
> I read an interview with her a few years before this DVD came out. She
> had no regrets about giving up music as a career and becoming a
> full-time mom.
Ruth rocks my world.
Edwin