alt.rap-dead
snug...@vnet.ibm.com
mundane gdead talk off the rec.music.gdead. i could be wrong.
imho, i can't stand rap. how i miss the days of bb king, buddy guy, and all
those other african american musicians. though the intent of rappers may not
be to glorify violence, degredation of woman, etc...that's what it ends up
doing. have you seen the young african americans in today's high schools? let
me tell you, take a look at the kids, it's rap and being tough and being cool.
it's kinda scary.
jonathan
not my real name
Dead and tape trading and how to fluggle, etc.
In article <3gtug0$f...@agate.berkeley.edu>, snug...@vnet.ibm.com says:
>imho, i can't stand rap. how i miss the days of bb king, buddy guy, and all
that's fine.
>those other african american musicians. though the intent of rappers may not
bb.king, buddy guy, and many of "those other" musicians are still around.
>be to glorify violence, degredation of woman, etc...that's what it ends up
>doing. have you seen the young african americans in today's high schools? let
you're lumping a lot of different rappers together under the gangsta
image--not fair. check out de la soul, digable planets, tribe called
quest, the jungle brothers, etc.
>me tell you, take a look at the kids, it's rap and being tough and being cool.
>it's kinda scary.
you think "rap" caused kids to be tough and scary? i'd look again at
the society in general.
--xian
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David Pelovitz
>
>i though alt rap.dead was created in the hope of moving some of the more
>mundane gdead talk off the rec.music.gdead. i could be wrong.
>
>imho, i can't stand rap. how i miss the days of bb king, buddy guy, and all
>those other african american musicians. though the intent of rappers may not
>be to glorify violence, degredation of woman, etc...that's what it ends up
>doing. have you seen the young african americans in today's high schools? let
>me tell you, take a look at the kids, it's rap and being tough and being cool.
>it's kinda scary.
>
Yikes - I'm frightened! Not of rap - but of what you
are saying. This is the exact attitude that gets
1) the Dead forever labelled a sixties band
2) The Deadheads labelled loathesome creatures.
How does the music of De La Soul, Digable Planets, Arrested
Development, and Queen Latifah preach anything either
glorifying violence or misogyny. They all preach self-worth,
pride in family and heritage, respect for people and
peace and understanding (And they've all sold bunches of music).
And what of the rap groups that aren't even African American?
Personally, I can't hear Eiterh Luscious Jackson CD too much.
It's OK to dislike rap - it is wrong to condemn wholesale
without understanding the artform.
David Pelovitz - PELO...@Acfcluster.nyu.edu
"Black Wing has even found an American, Lieutenant Slothrop,
willing to go under light narcosis to help illuminate
racial problems in his own country." - Thomas Pynchon
Stan Smith
(text deleted)
>have you seen the young african americans in today's high schools? let
>me tell you, take a look at the kids, it's rap and being tough and
>being cool. it's kinda scary.
>jonathan
>
There are Hispanic, White, & multi-racial gangs as well, all 'down for
the hood' and concerned only with appearances, 'macho' ideas of honor,
and revenge for slights against that code.
I think it's a direct result of the Korporate Death Kulture (eg: "Gotta
get the shoes..." or you're not cool) that promotes the idea that things
are more important that people. Now, _that's_ scary! -boocat
Snuggles
On 3 Feb 1995, David Pelovitz wrote:
> Yikes - I'm frightened! Not of rap - but of what you
> are saying. This is the exact attitude that gets
> 1) the Dead forever labelled a sixties band
> 2) The Deadheads labelled loathesome creatures.
yeah, maybe i shoulda posted that in a different way. maybe i shoulda
said i was worried about the young african american male and the many
factors they face growing up and not solely based it on rap music.
> How does the music of De La Soul, Digable Planets, Arrested
> Development, and Queen Latifah preach anything either
> glorifying violence or misogyny. They all preach self-worth,
> pride in family and heritage, respect for people and
> peace and understanding (And they've all sold bunches of music).
i was talking more of the gangsta rap.
> And what of the rap groups that aren't even African American?
> Personally, I can't hear Eiterh Luscious Jackson CD too much.
>
> without understanding the artform.
>
i wasn't condeming rap, i just said i can't stand it. and music does
influence you. it may not cause you to go eat large doses of acid and
jump off of a building or go shoot somebody. but it does affect you. i'm
all for expressing yourself through any type of music or other art form.
i guess what i was trying to say is that today's kids are in
trouble....and alot of these kids are heavily into the gangsta mentality.
that's all.
jonathan
Snuggles
On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, not my real name wrote:
>
> hey snuggly, you should stick to subjects you know about, like the
> Dead and tape trading and how to fluggle, etc.
err, i do know a little bit about this subject. not a whole lot but way
back when i was gonna be an english teacher i did a summertime internship
with mostly inner city kids. so i've been around it and know somewhat
about what i speak. it's amazing to sit down with a kid who has been
promoted to the elventh grade and can't read and write, but can tell you
all about cleaning and shooting guns and where to buy them.
> you're lumping a lot of different rappers together under the gangsta
> image--not fair. check out de la soul, digable planets, tribe called
> quest, the jungle brothers, etc.
again, i meant the gansta rap, no the above groups.
> you think "rap" caused kids to be tough and scary? i'd look again at
> the society in general.
>
did i say rap caused this? nope, i don't think so. but the rap is a
creative vehicle for expressing rage against society. that's not bad. but
it makes you think when you see 13 year old kids carrying guns and have
them tell you that school isn't worth it cuz they will be dead before 18
and that they want to live like a video rapstar before they die.
jonathan
Arnold Lane
Rap Music and the American Culture Dump
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Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of rap
'music'. I find nothing musical about it, either gangsta rap or
whatever kinda pop-rap trash is out there. I look for musical
things in the music I listen to. I hear music in the songs the
Dead play. I hear music in the songs Rush plays. I hear music in
the songs Phish plays. I hear absolutely nothing but a Drum
machine and someone shouting supposed lyrics to a beat. Now I
understand that people are entitled to like anything they want.
What I am concerned about is the psychological impact of the more
popular rap genres. Gansta Rap is one of the biggest rap fields
to be in. "Cop Killer" is an excellent example. I believe in
responsible art and responsible presentation of ideas. I am
against too much violence on TV, in the music, and in the mind.
Our media is blasting us with graphic violence images. Our
elementary school aged kids are exposed to it in the school
system. We are 'white' and middle class, yet the media portrayal
of "Gangsta" cool has made it into our girls. It is a sad thing
when Peace is forgotten and violence is taught by .02 MTV media
tools. Maybe RAP isn't the problem... But is sure as hell ain't
the cure...
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Brian Tiffany
>From: Arnold Lane <7671...@CompuServe.COM>
>Subject: Re: alt.rap-dead
>Date: 6 Feb 1995 23:35:41 GMT
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>Rap Music and the American Culture Dump
>=======================================================
>Let me start by saying that I have never been a fan of rap 'music'.
Well, at least we know you won't be biased :-)
> I find nothing musical about it, either gangsta rap or
>whatever kinda pop-rap trash is out there.
paraphrase: "I haven't listened to more than about 2 gangsta rap songs on
MTV, and I don't even know what else besides gangsta rap is out there, but
none of what I haven't even listened to is musical"
>I look for musical
>things in the music I listen to. I hear music in the songs the
>Dead play. I hear music in the songs Rush plays. I hear music in
>the songs Phish plays. I hear absolutely nothing but a Drum
>machine and someone shouting supposed lyrics to a beat.
Music = bass + guitar + drums?
>Now I
>understand that people are entitled to like anything they want.
>What I am concerned about is the psychological impact of the more
>popular rap genres.
So if she weighs the same as a duck, then ...
She's a witch, burn her, burn her! (apologies to Monty Python...)
>Gansta Rap is one of the biggest rap fields
>to be in. "Cop Killer" is an excellent example.
Example of what?
>I believe in responsible art and responsible presentation of ideas.
Who gets to decide what is responsible? You?
>I am against too much violence on TV, in the music, and in the mind.
So what can be done?
>Our media is blasting us with graphic violence images. Our
>elementary school aged kids are exposed to it in the school
>system. We are 'white' and middle class,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Best Gomer Pyle imitation: "Suuurpriiiiise, surpriiise!"
>yet the media portrayal
>of "Gangsta" cool has made it into our girls.
Hey, they're gonna steal our women!
>It is a sad thing when Peace is forgotten and violence is taught by .02 MTV
>media tools.
It is a sadder thing when people professing to honor Peace express such
ignorance and bigotry and racism.
>Maybe RAP isn't the problem...
Nope, it's the warning sign.
>But is sure as hell ain't the cure...
Instead of talking about problems minorities face,
Instead of allowing them a creative outlet for their anger and frustration,
Instead of looking at problems that exist in our society,
let's just sweep them under this here rug.
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>**> 7671...@Compuserve.com | if your cup is empty..." |
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Brian Tiffany
Iowa State University
so...@iastate.edu
Arnold Lane
>Instead of talking about problems minorities face,
>Instead of allowing them a creative outlet for their anger and
>frustration, Instead of looking at problems that exist in our
>society, let's just sweep them under this here rug.
Brian,
1st off... I really think your assumption that I am racist is a
bit off-base. I am not, nor have I ever been racist. It offends
me that you might make such an accusation without even knowing me
or even reading what I am saying. I said nothing about Blacks or
Whites.. I said that I am a middle class white living in LA. I
made no judgement on culture or lifestyle. I have a problem with
things which enrage and move people to violence. VIOLENCE is the
problem, not the color of the skin. VIOLENCE is perpetrated
through the media. It is PERPETRATED by the MC-COP KILLERS out
there. It is perpetrated by the MTV Bastards {BTW I have never
had MTV on my TV {Beavis and Butthead SUCK!}} who are concerned
with CENSORING the word JOINT from Tom Pettys video but
accepting the display of weapons and sexist cliche's without
thinking twice. Brian, I think you have a completely incorrect
opinion about me. I think Globally and will not tolerate racism,
sexism, or anti-semitism. Bluntly... Think again...
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snug...@vnet.ibm.com
76711.457 at compuserve.com writes:
| when Peace is forgotten and violence is taught by .02 MTV media
| tools. Maybe RAP isn't the problem... But is sure as hell ain't
| the cure...
hey arnold/michael i actually agree with your whole post on this subject. i've
finally found something i agree with you on!!! it's a beautiful morning! :-)
jonathan
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not my real name
> . . . . Maybe ______ isn't the problem... But is sure as hell ain't
> the cure...
fill in the blank with whatever you feel like impugning.
DocuprintD
You tell 'em!!
My sentiments Exactly!!
Ron O. Deo