Picture a bright blue ball...
band beyond description
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Peace,
~ Steve
"Thinkin a lot about less and less, and forgetting the love we bring..."
band beyond description
"band beyond description" <1...@456.com> wrote in message
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Joker4153
>From: "band beyond description" 1...@456.com
>Date: Thu, May 22, 2003 8:47 PM
>Message-id: <bak580$k9vt$1...@ID-103590.news.dfncis.de>
It's a fascinating photo, but the article and image shown are kind of
frustrating. One point left out is, what is the magnification of the image
shown?
The article never says, but seems to imply that the image, albeit colorized, is
what you would see with the naked eye from Mars. ("The keen-eyed can make out
clouds...")
Without a telescope, or a magnified image like the one shown, Earth would be
seen as a tiny dot of light.
Still a cool photo.
Hmmm...from orbit the color might appear blue, but what would Earth look like
from the surface of Mars, through that planets' atmosphere?
Stargazing on Mars...hmmm...
Larry
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"Joker4153" <joke...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yep, though the story says that more was visible on Earth from a specially
enlarged, enhanced photo that scientists were using. RIP, Carl Sagan...
Junter 52
blue ball. Is it bright or pale? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Olompali4
pale and bright are not conflicting ideals...There are many pale people who are
so bright they glow.
Neil Krueger
junt...@aol.com wrote on 5/23/03 5:56 AM:
> Interesting how Sagan calls Earth a pale blue dot,and Weir calls it a bright
> blue ball. Is it bright or pale? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's the difference between the artist's and scientist's perspective.
Sagan always emphasized that we are clinging to the surface of a tiny mote
of insignificant dust in a small corner of the cosmos. Many artists thrill
and exult in the magnificence or decadence of mankind, and their perspective
puts us at the metaphorical center of the universe. Both perspectives are,
of course, completely correct. I'll take a little yin with my yang, please.
Peace,
Neil X.
TitanTim
> Interesting how Sagan calls Earth a pale blue dot,and Weir calls it a bright
> blue ball. Is it bright or pale? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess it all depends on who you trust more.... Carl Sagan or Bob
Weir... tought choice... ;-)
M.A Newbury
ON: 5/22/03 @ 11:45 PM, edt.
"band beyond description" 1...@456.com posted this hyper-link:
Nice! Seeing ourselves like that kinda puts
our problems down here into perspective eh? ;-)
Peace,
Mark
PS: Thank you for posting that.
I've never seen the earth in that way before.
"To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of
courage or of principle." -- Confucius
"Liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless
you are willing to give it to others." ----Willian Allen White
M.A Newbury
On: 5/23/03 @ 5:56 AM, edt.
junt...@aol.com (Junter 52)
>Interesting how Sagan calls Earth a pale blue dot,
>and Weir calls it a bright blue ball. Is it bright or pale?
>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hey Now!
I think Carl was referring to the depth of the blue color
the human eye can detect In "Paint Program" lingo it's
called "saturation". The less grey a color is, the more
"saturated" or "pure" the color is said to be. Brightness
is the same kinda thing but it goes by how *black* a
color is. The less black a color is, the more "bright" the
color is said to be. Remember the wizzard of oz or the
sound of music? Those movies are in "Technicolor"
and the colors are *very* saturated even after all these
years. Recently the Wissard of Oz has been cleaned
up so that it looks just how it did when it was new and
some of the colors are pretty gaudy and intense but it's
a real *feast* for the eyes! ;-)
(This next part is more for other people that read this
thread that may get some useful info on computer imaging
than just *you* because I happen to know you already
have a good grasp of digital imaging. ;-)
Try an experiment with any paint program that has a
"saturation" toggle and increase the value to the max
with a drab -ol- .JPG and see what happens to it.......
..............Instant psychedelia! ;-)
Sooooooo, A more accurate description of the earth's
color would be a "Pastel Blue" but that really wouldn't
work very well in "Throwing Stoned" now would it? <G>
Here's a GREAT web site with just about every color
question you could ever think of. Some real cool pic's too.
http://www.colorcube.com/index.htm
Peace,
Mark
Joker4153
>Date: Fri, May 23, 2003 3:38 PM
>Message-id: <20030523183822...@mb-m11.aol.com>
It seems to me the difference between a pale blue planet and a bright blue
planet, in this case, is that Sagan was refering to a photo taken from the very
edge of the solar system, many millions of miles away.
Whereas, the imagery in Barlows' lyric brings to mind a closer view of Earth,
perhaps from the Moon.
YMMV
Larry
M.A Newbury
MNewbury3 wrote:
>>Sooooooo, A more accurate description of the earth's
>>color would be a "Pastel Blue" but that really wouldn't
>>work very well in "Throwing Stoned" now would it? <G>
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Opps! Silly Me! ;-)
ON 5/23/03 @ 9:18 PM, edt.
joke...@aol.com (Joker4153) wrote:
>It seems to me the difference between a pale blue planet
>and a bright blue planet, in this case, is that Sagan was
>refering to a photo taken from the very edge of the solar
>system, many millions of miles away. Whereas, the
>imagery in Barlows' lyric brings to mind a closer view
>of Earth, perhaps from the Moon. YMMV
I didn't know there was such a photo! Was it from one
of the voyagers? Anyhow yer right. Carl has (had) a
unique way of explaining things. Kinda like the Mr.Rogers
of astronomy. ;-) I take it you've seen "Cosmos"? I have
the book and I STILL find new things in there that he was
suggesting back when he was looked at by other so called
"real" astronomers as some kind of heretic just spouting
whimsical fantasies off the top of his head. His belief that
black holes just *may* be a reality gained him no end of
grunts and moans from scientists in several fields. I just
wish he'd lived long enough to finally get the last laugh. ;-)
>Barlows' lyric brings to mind a closer view
>of Earth, perhaps from the Moon.
I get that image with a few Dead Tunes. ;-)
zzz
<1...@456.com>
>and...
>
>http://tinyurl.com/cgl4
>
I don't click on tiny URLs. Care to post the full link so I know where
I'm going before I get there?
Joker4153
>From: mnew...@aol.comNoHate (M.A Newbury)
>Message-id: <20030523235830...@mb-m07.aol.com>
Yep.
Carl Sagan was an interesting man.
zzz
>On Fri, 23 May 2003 12:47:45 +0900, "band beyond description"
><1...@456.com>
>
>>and...
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/cgl4
>>
>
>I don't click on tiny URLs. Care to post the full link so I know where
>I'm going before I get there?
>
That's why I hate Tiny URLs. I clicked on it anyway and it's a Yahoo
news story of something I already read (and saw the picture of)
somewhere else.
I'm boycotting Yahoo because they are spamming me again.
I sent a nasty-gram e-mail to them yesterday complaining about it. I
got an automated response and then a follow-up explaining that I should
click on the "remove" link in the e-mail.
Those bastards! If I had asked for e-mail from them in the first place,
it wouldn't be SPAM, but I never asked for their crap UCEs.
Yahoo doesn't have anything to offer that you can't get anywhere else on
the 'net. I hope they go out of business soon, but I know that's a pipe
dream.
Choose another service that doesn't spam. PLEASE. It's our only hope.
Neil Krueger
wrote on 5/24/03 1:52 AM:
>> http://tinyurl.com/cgl4
>>
>
> I don't click on tiny URLs. Care to post the full link so I know where
> I'm going before I get there?
Ding! We have a winner for Anal Retentive Post of the Year! The prize is a
free lifetime supply of marijuana suppositories. For more information, just
click on:
Peace,
Neil X.
band beyond description
"zzz" <z...@zzz.zzz> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 May 2003 12:47:45 +0900, "band beyond description"
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>
> >and...
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/cgl4
> >
>
> I don't click on tiny URLs. Care to post the full link so I know where
> I'm going before I get there?
sorry about you being spammed by yahoo (i don't understand how or why), but
"tinyurl is your friend." if one posts a full, lengthy url from many
sources, not just yahoo, it breaks and won't work when you click on it. and
i have a paid-for yahoo mail account...they don't spam you if you exercise
your opt-out rights. if you don't, and still complain, i can't help...HTH.
have a nice day...neil, pass the suppositories...