Katrina Filk: Draft
Ose Walrus
Tune: Paper Sea by Leslie Fish
I lived in New Orleans in the Year 2005
Just an average Joe who worked his job and struggled to get by
Katrina hit and now I don't know how I will survive
Or if I'll die in the New Orleans Sea
I didn't own an auto so I couldn't drive away
I couldn't buy a ticket for the price I'd have to pay
And mom's in bed with emphysema, so I guess I'll choose to stay
No escaping the New Orleans Sea
We'd always known a hurricane might bring the levees down
Massive winds and surging sea could flood "Big Easy" town
But the poor and sick and crippled were abandoned here to drown
We were trapped by the New Orleans Sea
Funds to shore up levees fell to Bush's budget hack
The trucks to drive the poor away had all gone to Iraq
There's no way to shore things up in time or bring equipment back!
Harold Feld
So we're facing the New Orleans Sea
Katrina hit, the winds did howl, at last the levees failed
The water filled our tenement no matter how we bailed
I grabbed my mother's oxygen and on her bed we sailed
Adrift in the New Orleans Sea
I floated with my mother for how long I'll never know
I cried in helpless anger when her oxygen ran low
Though I kept her above water, still she couldn't breathe and so
She was drowned by the New Orleans Sea
Two days of thirst and hunger floating on that bed of wood
Then I passed a grocery store and stopped to salvage food
The cops called me a looter and they shot me where I stood
So I fled back to the New Orleans Sea
So I drift upon my mothers bed and do what all I can
To keep from drowning in the floods or shot upon the land
Victim of an "Act of God" and the stupidity of man!
That created the New Orleans Sea
Created the New Orleans Sea
Paul Rubin
msm...@aol.com
Ose Walrus wrote:
> Title: New Orleans Sea by Harold Feld copyright 2005
> Tune: Paper Sea by Leslie Fish
I'm printing it out and will post a link to this thread from my blog on
LiveJournal.
I don't know that song-tune well enough to sing it myself, but Leslie
is going to be at FenCon at the far end of September and I'll make sure
she sees this (or whatever is the latest update by that time)
Richard Eney
Ose Walrus <hf...@mediaaccess.org> wrote:
>Title: New Orleans Sea by Harold Feld copyright 2005
>Tune: Paper Sea by Leslie Fish
>
>Massive winds and surging sea could flood "Big Easy" town
>But the poor and sick and crippled were abandoned here to drown
>We were trapped by the New Orleans Sea
First I've heard that those rescue helicopters asked to see a bank
statement before lifting victims out.
-- Dick Eney
D.J.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:30:23 -0000, dic...@radix.net (Richard Eney)
wrote:
>First I've heard that those rescue helicopters asked to see a bank
>statement before lifting victims out.
Doesn't make much sense to me either. But rescues around the Superdome
have been suspended due to people shooting at the rescue helicopters.
D.J. on the road.
Ose Walrus
chronology makes clear, refers to the fact that no public resources
were made available to evecuate BEFORE the levee broke. NPR carried an
interview Monday with a man seeking shelter in the SuperDome. Why?
Because, he said, he didn't have a car to leave and his motrher was
sick. He also reported that he leant his spare cash to a friend's
family so they could afford gas to flee. As for the bit about dying
for want of medically needed oxygen, I direct you to yesterday's NY
Times front page.
Prior to the storm, the evacuation "plan" was "Run away! Run away!"
Yes, current search and rescue operations are doing what they can. But
that does not change the following:
1) Congress and the Bush administration have consistently cut funding
for levee repair and upkeep over the last several years. See The
Chicago Tribune,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-050831corps-story,1,2364215.story?coll=chi-news-hed
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/national/nationalspecial/01levee.html
No, the Bush administration was not alone in ignoring the danger. But
I would call chopping a request for $79 Million to $3.9 Million a
"hack."
The possibility of New Orleans being hit by a hurricane and undergoing
major flooding has been on the list of top five potential disasters for
years, up there with devestating California quake or terrorist attack
on NYC or DC.
The Bush administration chose among various priorities and bet a major
hurricane in New Orleans wouldn't happen. They bet wrong. When you
chose an action, you chose the consequences of that action.
2) Lack of public resources for evacuation of those without transport
BEFORE the storm hit. If there was any effort to provide free
transportation or medical evacuation BEFORE the levee's breached, I'd
be interested. So far, I haven't found any. National Guard units, the
first line defense in these situations, are depleted by deployment
elsewhere. Again, chosing among priorities, the folks in charge laid
their bets. They bet wrong.
Yes, we have NOW moved military assets to help with clean up and fresh
water, etc. But action before the emergency was hampered by lack of
available resources.
Clean up is good. Prudent action beforehand is better. The problem
with requiring everyone to manage their own evacuation is that it
leaves behind those who can't, the poor, the sick and the crippled and
the people who will not abandon them.
No, there wasn't a deliberate plan to kill the poor. Just good old
short sightedness and stupidity, as the song says. If you can show me
that either (a) the Bush administration did NOT reduce requested
expenditures for levee repair, or (b) Public resources were extensively
deployed BEFORE the levee breached to evacuate those who could not find
a way to leave but wanted to do so, I will cheerfully retract.
Harold
D.J.
On 1 Sep 2005 09:12:08 -0700, "Ose Walrus" <hf...@mediaaccess.org>
wrote:
>Yes, we have NOW moved military assets to help with clean up and fresh
>water, etc. But action before the emergency was hampered by lack of
>available resources.
One minor comment, by US law this is not an automatic thing and in
many ways it requires federal permission as its otherwise illegal.
Federal laws are in place to stop any US military actions in the US
unless under certain special circumstances.
for information from New Orleans, http://www.wdsu.com which is the web
site for one of the local tv stations. Channel 6.
Jim P
D.J. on the road.
Joe Ellis
D.J. <jol...@cableone.net> wrote:
Were _briefly_ suspended. They have resumed.
Lee Gold
>
> 1) Congress and the Bush administration have consistently cut funding
> for levee repair and upkeep over the last several years.
The story I read (and that gives a few more details) is at
http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
Then again Louisiana (and New Orleans) had the option of raising
state or local taxes, issuing bonds, or otherwise trying to get
the money to pay for the levee repair and upkeep on their own
instead of giving up when the federal government wouldn't do it.
And since disasters can hit anywhere:
Do you have fresh batteries for your portable radio and flashlight?
(Or do you have a crank radio and flashlight?)
Do you have at least three days food and water for each member
of your household? (Two weeks supply is even better. And you can
recycle it every year or two by donating the old food to groups
that feed the poor.)
Do you have trashbags you can use in your toilet if sewage
pipes stop working?
Does everyone in your home know where they'll meet if there's
a disaster and they have to flee?
If you use a CPAP or something else electric for your health,
do you have a rechargeable heavy duty battery (buyable at auto supply
shops or ship supply shops) to power it for at least one day?
Have you checked out your local area's recommendations for other
disaster supplies, and do you have them?
--Lee
No dry ground, no dry ground,
No dry ground any more.
(Hmm, should I write that filk of Leslie's "No High Ground"
about New Orleans or about Noah?)
David G. Bell
<fpeeh114e3c5v7ll7...@4ax.com>
jol...@cableone.net "D.J." wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2005 09:12:08 -0700, "Ose Walrus" <hf...@mediaaccess.org>
> wrote:
> >Yes, we have NOW moved military assets to help with clean up and fresh
> >water, etc. But action before the emergency was hampered by lack of
> >available resources.
>
> One minor comment, by US law this is not an automatic thing and in
> many ways it requires federal permission as its otherwise illegal.
> Federal laws are in place to stop any US military actions in the US
> unless under certain special circumstances.
Another couple of things to remember:
1: There wasn't much warning time. Even when the general direction of
Katrina was known, it wasn't until Sunday morning that it was realised
that it would be so overwhelming. As a Cat 3 hurricane, it would have
been rough, but within the design limits of flood defences.
2: Getting safely clear of Katrina from New Orleans is a hard logistic
problem. You're aiming to get a million people out via a very few roads,
and at least one route is entirely in the coastal danger area.
It's laudable that so many people were safely evacuated, but there's
still some hard questions about the way the scheme handled people who
didn't have their own transport, and about what options were considered
for the immediate post-hurricane phase; either getting people out from
the shelters, or getting food in.
--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
D.J.
>In article <2v9eh1l1ok18m3875...@4ax.com>,
> D.J. <jol...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> Doesn't make much sense to me either. But rescues around the Superdome
>> have been suspended due to people shooting at the rescue helicopters.
>>
>
>Were _briefly_ suspended. They have resumed.
Nope. Some shooting stopped, other shootings continued.
D.J. on the road.
Ose Walrus
There is plenty of blame to go around.
In preperation for Y2K, every city was supposed to have developed an
evacuation plan. After 9-11, cities, aided with federal funds as well
as local, were supposed to develop evacuation plans.
Yes, New Orleans and LA could have tried to raise more local money.
Their politicians faced the same choices as those in D.C. But
certainly since the New Deal, we have consistently looked to the
federal government to supplement local efforts because the burden is
too large for local money to bear and, leaving aside the moral
considerations of assisting all citizens in our nation, the fact is the
New Orleans is one of our major distribution points for the national
and energy economy.
Meanwhile, while the levees languished, hundreds of millions of dollars
was spent upstream on building new river development projects. Yes,
economic development is important, but at the expense of safety down
river? But Missouri, upriver, is represented by Trent Lott, former
Senate Majority Leader and still a powerful figure in the majority
party. LA is reresented in the Senate by Mary Landreu and, until last
election, Breaux, both Democrats.
It is simple politics that the majority party claims the beenfits of
federal subsidies and that the party power houses get the goodies for
their state. Heck, Thune ran in SD on (among other things) the promise
that he, as a well connected young Republican, could get more for Sd
than Daschle as Senate Minority Leader.
No evil conspiracy, just business as usual. But it means that since
1994, the Army Corp of Engineers budget has had a heck of a lot more in
their budget for projects upriver than for levee reenforcement in New
Orleans. And now we pay for that. Like the fellow that decided not to
redo his roof because he wants to put in a swimming pool, Congress and
the President bet we could get by. My chief complant is that now that
the roof has blown off in the rain, the President is saying "Oh, how
could we have known!" And his supporters get all indignant when anyone
points out that, if he'd just spent the money on fixing his roof
instead of building such a fancy swimming pool, we'd only be looking at
reshingling instead of a total collapse.
Harold
John in Detroit
and stealing, but in some of the cities where the refugees have been
moved to it appears they are continuing that same behavior.
I can not understand why any idiot would shoot at someone who is clearly
there to save their life... But then there is much in life I fail to
understand
--
John F Davis, in Delightful Detroit. WA8YXM(at)arrl(dot)net
"Nothing adds excitement like something that is none of your business"
Diabetic? http://community.compuserve.com/diabetes
John in Detroit
Ose Walrus wrote:
/snip/
> No, the Bush administration was not alone in ignoring the danger. But
> I would call chopping a request for $79 Million to $3.9 Million a
/snip/
> Clean up is good. Prudent action beforehand is better.
/snip/
> No, there wasn't a deliberate plan to kill the poor.
>
> Harold
I have one question here, It appeard you are blaming the BUsh
adminstration and perhaps adminstrations before it for not fixing a
problem before it became deadly.
Did the US government take out a map and put a big X on it and say
"Let's build a city here on the ocean floor, We will put up dykes and
leevees and pump the water out so we can put buildings there?
I think not. The folks who build New Orleans did not work for the US
government, The folks who choose to live there, well, some of them
likely do work for the US government but not in the kind of areas that
are responsable for that kind of planning.
IN fact, I strongly suspect when the city was founded it was not even a
United State yet (But I'd have to check that)
The problems New Orleans had are of it's own making, Many cities make a
problem and then turn to Washington D.C. for a solution. This is wrong.
Should Washington D.C. have helped.. That is a question I'm not going to
answer, or even adresss, But I can't blame them for putting a city
where a farm belonged
John in Detroit
David G. Bell wrote:
> 1: There wasn't much warning time. Even when the general direction of
> Katrina was known, it wasn't until Sunday morning that it was realised
> that it would be so overwhelming. As a Cat 3 hurricane, it would have
> been rough, but within the design limits of flood defences.
There was not much warning time, however one Science Fiction author I
happen to chat with still has a house standing and basically intact in
New Orleans, (She lives on the west side and joked that she is no high
ground.. five feet ABOVE sea level) She had time to debate with her
parents, her husband and her friends.. Before packing up the dogs,
husband, needed supplies, and heading to Dragon Con a week early
So there was time
D.J.
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:28:01 GMT, John in Detroit
<Bla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>IN fact, I strongly suspect when the city was founded it was not even a
>United State yet (But I'd have to check that)
New Orelans predates the United States by many years. We purchased it
from Napolean who took it from the Spanish.
D.J. on the road.
John in Detroit
--
Richard Eney
Lee Gold <lee....@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Then again Louisiana (and New Orleans) had the option of raising
>state or local taxes, issuing bonds, or otherwise trying to get
>the money to pay for the levee repair and upkeep on their own
>instead of giving up when the federal government wouldn't do it.
>
their doing all these good things. They couldn't do them by fiat. (I
know you didn't mean they could, but "they had the option" implies that
they didn't have to jump through other hoops first, _before_ they could be
said to "have the option".)
Voters in Louisiana don't like to have their taxes raised any more than
voters elsewhere do. They would have figured "it can't happen here", more
likely than not.
Of course, they would have saved the money, not, like the Federal
government, spent it on some other more politically profitable project.
But penny-wise, pound-foolish budgetting is not a prerogative of the
Federal government. Let's spread the blame around some.
-- Dick Eney
Richard Eney
John in Detroit <wa8...@do.not.spam.arrl.net> wrote:
>
>IN fact, I strongly suspect when the city was founded it was not even a
>United State yet (But I'd have to check that)
It wasn't. New Orleans was a thriving seaport before the United States
existed and has always had the problems that low-lying seaports tend to
have. The elimination of malaria and yellow fever, and the construction
of the (inadequate) levees, were improvements brought about by the US
Government or the State of Louisiana, not by Private Enterprise.
-- Dick Eney
Lee Gold
>
> In article <43176B0...@comcast.net>,
> Lee Gold <lee....@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >Then again Louisiana (and New Orleans) had the option of raising
> >state or local taxes, issuing bonds, or otherwise trying to get
> >the money to pay for the levee repair and upkeep on their own
> >instead of giving up when the federal government wouldn't do it.
> >
> Excuse, please: they had the option of asking the voters to approve of
Sorry for not being clearer.
Actually, I didn't mean the state or parish or city government
but rather the people of Louisiana (which includes not just the
voters but those who don't bother to vote or register) who had
many different options but whose leaders (some governmental,
some business) didn't do anything.
--Lee
Judith & Dave Hayman
Moyne, Sieur de Bienville. He was one of a large prominent Montreal area
family, most of them over-achievers, several of whom were also prominent in
Louisiana history. New Orleans at that time was located where the French
Quarter is now. There was some to and fro exchange of the city/colony with
the Spanish before Louisiana was acquired by the US. In the 1750 many other
French in Canada found New Orleans a good destination. The expulsion of
French from Acadia (Nova Scotia) lead to Cajun Louisiana citizens.
The good old melting pot or cultural mosaic (depending on your affiliation)
at work.
Judith
John in Detroit
Lee Gold wrote:
> Sorry for not being clearer.
>
> Actually, I didn't mean the state or parish or city government
> but rather the people of Louisiana (which includes not just the
> voters but those who don't bother to vote or register) who had
> many different options but whose leaders (some governmental,
> some business) didn't do anything.
Though Louisiana uses a slightly different law set than the other 49
states, The US "Holy Documents" do say something about "Government OF
the people BY THE PEOPLE for the people.
So you were clear enough, The real government IS the people, those who
sit in offices and have titles are just the hired managers.
Rich Brown
> The real government IS the people, those who
> sit in offices and have titles are just the hired managers.
... no matter what they think ...
Filksinger
<snip>
>
> First I've heard that those rescue helicopters asked to see a bank
> statement before lifting victims out.
>
> -- Dick Eney
He didn't say or imply that. He didn't say or suggest that the
helicopters picked rich over poor and healthy over sick. He said the
poor and sick were left behind while the rich and healthy got out.
This has nothing to do with cars or the rescue efforts. People who could
just drive out got out *before* the helicopters, and didn't need to be
rescued. While this is a broad generalization, it nevertheless was true
that the poor and sick were overrepresented in the population that was
left behind, while people with money enough to own a car and who were
healthy enough to readily leave were more likely to get out.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
John in Detroit
school busses. Now, each and every one of those busses has been damaged
and contaminated, it will very likely cost over a thousand dollars a bus
to put them back in service, IF THEY CAN BE PUT BACK IN SERVICE, or
thousands to replace them. How much cheaper would it have been to load
them with folks who could not find another ride out of town and drive
them to safety BEFORE the storm... How many lives would have been saved
if they had done this? I hearby charge the Mayor and the School Board
in New Orleans with Negligent Homicide and misuse of public funds and
call for the prosecutiors to so charge them, formally, in court.
--
Richard Eney
Filksinger <use...@filksinger.mailshell.com> wrote:
>Richard Eney wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> First I've heard that those rescue helicopters asked to see a bank
>> statement before lifting victims out.
>
I think the implication was there, though it may not have been meant.
> He didn't say or suggest that the
>helicopters picked rich over poor and healthy over sick. He said the
>poor and sick were left behind while the rich and healthy got out.
>
>This has nothing to do with cars or the rescue efforts. People who could
>just drive out got out *before* the helicopters, and didn't need to be
>rescued. While this is a broad generalization, it nevertheless was true
>that the poor and sick were overrepresented in the population that was
>left behind, while people with money enough to own a car and who were
>healthy enough to readily leave were more likely to get out.
And this is a sur;prising and unexpected development because --?
-- Dick Eney
Filksinger
completely forgot I hadn't checked my email in nearly a week.
However, since you responded with such an easy question, I'll answer it.
Richard Eney wrote:
> In article <GTwTe.2083$9x2...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Filksinger <use...@filksinger.mailshell.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>This has nothing to do with cars
I should have wrote "helicopters" here, not "cars".
>> or the rescue efforts. People who could
>>just drive out got out *before* the helicopters, and didn't need to be
>>rescued. While this is a broad generalization, it nevertheless was true
>>that the poor and sick were overrepresented in the population that was
>>left behind, while people with money enough to own a car and who were
>>healthy enough to readily leave were more likely to get out.
>
>
> And this is a sur;prising and unexpected development because --?
Because the emergency disaster plans for evacuation of this city
contained detailed plans for evacuating many of these people by buses.
However, no effort was made to actually put the plans into motion.
Now, maybe these plans wouldn't have rescued many. Maybe they wouldn't
have gotten enough drivers. Maybe they wouldn't have enough fuel. Even
if the plans worked as intended, maybe most of those people would still
have been stranded.
However, a complete lack of any attempt to use the plans in place is
appalling. It is as if a man said, "I know you can't climb, but when the
water hits, I'll help you up the hill." However, when the water hits, he
climbs the nearest hill, turns around, and doesn't even hold out his
hand to help you up before the water hits.
You do not promise to help someone when disaster strikes with detailed
plans for how they will be helped, then, when disaster strikes, abandon
them without even an effort to fulfill your obligations to them.
John in Detroit
> Because the emergency disaster plans for evacuation of this city
> contained detailed plans for evacuating many of these people by buses.
> However, no effort was made to actually put the plans into motion.
>
> Now, maybe these plans wouldn't have rescued many. Maybe they wouldn't
> have gotten enough drivers. Maybe they wouldn't have enough fuel. Even
> if the plans worked as intended, maybe most of those people would still
> have been stranded.
>
> However, a complete lack of any attempt to use the plans in place is
> appalling. It is as if a man said, "I know you can't climb, but when the
> water hits, I'll help you up the hill." However, when the water hits, he
> climbs the nearest hill, turns around, and doesn't even hold out his
> hand to help you up before the water hits.
>
> You do not promise to help someone when disaster strikes with detailed
> plans for how they will be helped, then, when disaster strikes, abandon
> them without even an effort to fulfill your obligations to them.
>
Excelent Post Filksinger, Yes, As you may have noted I fully believe
those responsible should be charged in the deaths that could have been
prevented.
Side note: To clean and repair those buses folling the flood will very
likely cost well over a thousand dollars each (Perhsps "thousands")
to drive them out, full of people, who's lives whould thus have not been
placed in danger and some of whom have likely died as a result of the
buses not being used.... Likely less than 500 per bus, a tiny fraction
of the clean up cost.
So not only is it negligent homicide, it's misuse of public funds!
Paul Rubin
> to drive them out, full of people, who's lives whould thus have not
> been placed in danger and some of whom have likely died as a result of
> the buses not being used.... Likely less than 500 per bus, a tiny
> fraction of the clean up cost.
>
> So not only is it negligent homicide, it's misuse of public funds!
I read up a little about this. Apparently those weren't city-owned
buses; they were privately owned by some contracting company since the
city's school bus services had been outsourced and they weren't under
Nagin's control. I feel they could possibly have been commandeered
anyway; however, there weren't THAT many of them. Also, there was no
one to drive them since the drivers had previously been evacuated.
The city's 400 RTA buses were used for moving people to the Superdome
and that did save a lot of lives, and the operation of getting them
there didn't go that badly. The operation of getting them OUT was a
total catastrophe, but that's a separate issue.
John in Detroit
school busses then charge the CEO of the company that owned them.
Bottom line is they should have been used PER THE PLAN, and they were
not. The only difference is it's misuse of company funds instead of
public funds... Penality is the same, termination (at least of employment)
--
Paul Rubin
> Bottom line is they should have been used PER THE PLAN, and they were not.
The only "plan" I've seen mentioned the possible use of school buses
but didn't spell out much of anything specific. There weren't any
definite steps that anyone failed to follow using the school buses.
Where would they have gone, anyway?
See: http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf p. II-2
John in Detroit
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating.
That is on page 13 of the PDF file you referenced
It says School and municipal buses WILL be used then goes on to say
goverment-owned vehicles MAY be used (the school buses in New Orleans
are not government owned)
--
Paul Rubin
> 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
> School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
> provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
> for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
> evacuating.
>
> That is on page 13 of the PDF file you referenced
>
> It says School and municipal buses WILL be used
Please read what it actually says, not what Rush Limbaugh wants you to
think it says. It says the primary means will be personal vehicles.
It goes on: "School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and
vehicles provided by volunteer agencies MAY be used...". That is,
what gets used depends on what's available under the circumstances.
Also, it was well accepted that there was no way to evacuate everyone
who didn't have a car. Instead, the city set up a last-resort shelter
(the Superdome) and used city buses to get people there. It did a
more or less acceptable job of that, and of keeping them in reasonable
condition for the first 24 hours or so that they were there, which is
all that was intended from it. That the people were there for so much
longer, and that conditions got so bad on the subsequent days, seems
to be the result of malevolence and political retribution (not mere
incompetence) on the part of the feds. All one has to do is compare
the response of the exact same FEMA a year ago when Hurricane Andrew
hit Florida, a state governed by Bush's brother during an election
year, to the Louisiana response.
See:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/09/05/hurricane_track_record/index.html
for the Hurricane Andrew comparison.
Joe Ellis
Paul Rubin <http://phr...@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote:
<<snip>>
> All one has to do is compare
> the response of the exact same FEMA a year ago when Hurricane Andrew
> hit Florida, a state governed by Bush's brother during an election
> year, to the Louisiana response.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2005/09/05/hurricane_track_record/index
> .html
>
> for the Hurricane Andrew comparison.
Try again? Hurricane Andrew was in 1992... See:
http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/index.html
Scroll down to Hurricanes...
I suggest any further discussion move to rec.arts.sf.fandom where
there's already an ongoing discussion unless put to music, and followups
set accordingly....
Paul Rubin
> > for the Hurricane Andrew comparison.
>
> Try again? Hurricane Andrew was in 1992... See:
>
> http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/historic/nws/index.html
>
> Scroll down to Hurricanes...
Doh! I meant Hurricane Frances. My bad.
> I suggest any further discussion move to rec.arts.sf.fandom where
> there's already an ongoing discussion unless put to music, and followups
> set accordingly....
Well, I made the error on rmf, so I better put the correction there too.
D.J.
Paul Rubin <http://phr...@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote:
] who didn't have a car. Instead, the city set up a last-resort shelter
] (the Superdome) and used city buses to get people there. It did a
] more or less acceptable job of that, and of keeping them in reasonable
] condition for the first 24 hours or so that they were there, which is
more than 3 times the people those emergency supplies were for,
showed up. So of course the food ran out in 24 hours.
It was designed for only about 8,000 people for 4 days.
Everything down here, I am in Mississippi, states you must bring
your own food, water, and medicines to any shelter you go to.
But hey, it was a category 5 hurricane. Where were all those people
who now say the levees should have been strengthened, before the
hurricane ? New Orleans has been below sea level for centuries. The
folks outside the area should stop pretending this is recent
knowledge.
JimP.
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Daniel R. Reitman
wrote:
> No dry ground, no dry ground,
> No dry ground any more.
>(Hmm, should I write that filk of Leslie's "No High Ground"
>about New Orleans or about Noah?)
About the disruption of the coffee industry. :-)
Dan, ad nauseam
msm...@aol.com
Ose Walrus wrote:
> Title: New Orleans Sea by Harold Feld copyright 2005
> Tune: Paper Sea by Leslie Fish
Lyric of "New Orleans Sea" delivered to Lesle at FenCon this past
weekend.
It sounded great.
Everybody cried.
Kate Gladstone
verse does stand out:
"I lived in New Orleans in the Year 2005
Just an average Joe who worked his job and struggled to get by
Katrina hit and now I don't know how I will survive"
- I think the second line might do well to rhyme with the first and
third.
Instead of "struggled to get by," have you considered "tried to keep
alive" or "did my best to thrive"?
Kate Gladstone - learn.to/handwrite - global2000.net/handwritingrepair