Earliest Treatises?
Adam Golding
looking for both western and non-western treatises...
jerom...@comcast.net
> Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
> looking for both western and non-western treatises...
The New Grove article "Sources" should do the job.
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Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
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John Howell
>Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
>looking for both western and non-western treatises...
Strunk. "Source Readings in Music History." (Or similar title.)
English translations of major treatises which mentioned music, or the
sections which do mention music. I use Volume 2, Early Church and
Medieval. I'm not sure how far back into classical Greece and before
Volume 1 would go.
This is strictly Western, or the precursors of Western music.
John
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"We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.
bill
> Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
> looking for both western and non-western treatises...
"la musique arabe" by baron rodolphe d´erlanger (six volumes - written
in french.)
Adam Golding
coverage--there's no Fux, for instance?
The amazon page's bundle deal also reminded me of this other book:
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-History-Western-Music-Theory/dp/0521623715
I suppose between the two of them, and grove, if I'm missing something, I'll
at least see mention of it somewhere--in the west at least.
Now I'm just wondering about the non-western treatises--any ideas where I
might ask about this?
2009/1/18 John Howell <John....@vt.edu>
> At 7:38 PM -0500 1/17/09, Adam Golding wrote:
>
>> Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
>> looking for both western and non-western treatises...
>>
>
bill
-On Jan 18, 2:15 pm, Adam Golding <adamgold...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh! This looks very helpful--although I'm curious about the
> coverage--there's no Fux, for instance?
>
> The amazon page's bundle deal also reminded me of this other book:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-History-Western-Music-Theory/dp/05216...
>
> I suppose between the two of them, and grove, if I'm missing something, I'll
> at least see mention of it somewhere--in the west at least.
>
> Now I'm just wondering about the non-western treatises--any ideas where I
> might ask about this?
>
> 2009/1/18 John Howell <John.How...@vt.edu>
>
> > At 7:38 PM -0500 1/17/09, Adam Golding wrote:
>
> >> Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
> >> looking for both western and non-western treatises...
>
> > Strunk. "Source Readings in Music History." (Or similar title.) English
> > translations of major treatises which mentioned music, or the sections which
> > do mention music. I use Volume 2, Early Church and Medieval. I'm not sure
> > how far back into classical Greece and before Volume 1 would go.
>
> > This is strictly Western, or the precursors of Western music.
>
> > John
>
> > --
> > John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
> > Virginia Tech Department of Music
> > College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
> > Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
> > Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
> > (mailto:John.How...@vt.edu)
John Howell
>Oh! This looks very helpful--although I'm curious about the
>coverage--there's no Fux, for instance?
Well, New Grove is always a good starting place, and the
bibliographies with the articles can lead you in many different
directions (and in many different languages!). But if you're looking
for Fux, you aren't looking for "the earliest," or even very early at
all. He is historically rather late.
John
>
>The amazon page's bundle deal also reminded me of this other book:
>
><http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-History-Western-Music-Theory/dp/0521623715>http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-History-Western-Music-Theory/dp/0521623715
>
>I suppose between the two of them, and grove, if I'm missing
>something, I'll at least see mention of it somewhere--in the west at
>least.
>
>Now I'm just wondering about the non-western treatises--any ideas
>where I might ask about this?
>
>
>2009/1/18 John Howell <<mailto:John....@vt.edu>John....@vt.edu>
>
>At 7:38 PM -0500 1/17/09, Adam Golding wrote:
>
>Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
>looking for both western and non-western treatises...
>
>
>Strunk. "Source Readings in Music History." (Or similar title.)
>English translations of major treatises which mentioned music, or
>the sections which do mention music. I use Volume 2, Early Church
>and Medieval. I'm not sure how far back into classical Greece and
>before Volume 1 would go.
>
>This is strictly Western, or the precursors of Western music.
>
>John
>
>
>--
>John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
>Virginia Tech Department of Music
>College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
>Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
>Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
>(mailto:<mailto:John....@vt.edu>John....@vt.edu)
><http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html>http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
>
>"We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition
>of jazz musicians.
--
John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John....@vt.edu)
Arthur Ness
"Adam Golding" <adamg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.280.123223...@wu-wien.ac.at...
| Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
| looking for both western and non-western treatises...
Of course, RISM, Series B is the most thorough listing.
http://hcl.harvard.edu/libraries/loebmusic/isham/rism.html#rism
Ancient Greek music theory is available in a RISM bibliography by Tom
Mathiesen, whose book on ancient music (800+ pp.) received the ASCAP Deems
Taylor
Award, and many others.
Series B so far includes printed soures of music theory, music theory from
the Carolingian era through 1500, as well as Greek, Hebrew, Persian,
Arabic
sources of writings on music theory. These, of course, are in effect
early sources for music theory of western music. Chinese treatises, for
example, are not included.
Incidentally, the RISM thematic indexes can now be searched on line! I'll
post something separately.
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Adam Golding
preview, :p When I'm done with the old stuff I might want to look at the
later stuff too. Just surprising to see fux omitted--his seems to be one of
the most influential treatises in modern theory pedagogy..
2009/1/18 John Howell <John....@vt.edu>
> At 8:15 AM -0500 1/18/09, Adam Golding wrote:
>
> Oh! This looks very helpful--although I'm curious about the
> coverage--there's no Fux, for instance?
>
>
> Well, New Grove is always a good starting place, and the bibliographies
> with the articles can lead you in many different directions (and in many
> different languages!). But if you're looking for Fux, you aren't looking
> for "the earliest," or even very early at all. He is historically rather
> late.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> The amazon page's bundle deal also reminded me of this other book:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-History-Western-Music-Theory/dp/0521623715
>
> I suppose between the two of them, and grove, if I'm missing something,
> I'll at least see mention of it somewhere--in the west at least.
>
> Now I'm just wondering about the non-western treatises--any ideas where I
> might ask about this?
>
> 2009/1/18 John Howell <John....@vt.edu>
>
> At 7:38 PM -0500 1/17/09, Adam Golding wrote:
>
> Is there a list compiled somewhere of the earliest music treatises? I'm
> looking for both western and non-western treatises...
>
>
> Strunk. "Source Readings in Music History." (Or similar title.) English
> translations of major treatises which mentioned music, or the sections which
> do mention music. I use Volume 2, Early Church and Medieval. I'm not sure
> how far back into classical Greece and before Volume 1 would go.
>
> This is strictly Western, or the precursors of Western music.
>
> John
>
>
> --
> John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
> Virginia Tech Department of Music
> College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
> Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
> Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034