Taruskin and modernism/postmodernism
Hope Ehn Dennis Ehn
and Usenet newsgroups have been destroyed by "flame wars," as people who
didn't want the controversy filling up their mailboxes dropped out. I'd
hate to see this happen to EARLYM-L, as I regard it as a valuable
resource for people who want to discuss *early music*.
We are *never* going to agree about Taruskin and his postings. And, for
obvious reasons, feelings about some of these issues run very high
indeed. So please, in the interest of preserving EARLYM-L as a going
concern, let's talk about something else.
Hope Ehn <e...@world.std.com>
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Dennis and Hope Ehn are 2 different people sharing one account.
Hope is the author of "On-Line Resources for Classical & Academic Musicians."
Dennis does programming (mostly C++).
PLEASE don't get us confused! :-)
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Kiran Wagle
>*Pleae* let's not start up this discussion again. E-mail mailing lists
>and Usenet newsgroups have been destroyed by "flame wars," as people who
>didn't want the controversy filling up their mailboxes dropped out.
This is why newsgroups and mailing lists, should NOT, IMO, be
connected. On usenet, those who don't want to read the controversy
can EASILY killfile it; on mailing lists, the controversy should be
prevented by fiat of the list top. But if you have a gateway from
usenet to a mailing list, your mailbox fills up with crap.
Furthermore, telling usenetters to shut up only encourages us to talk
even more. Unlike a mailing list, the offender cannot be bumped from
usenet, he can only be flamed till he goes away.
>I'd hate to see this happen to EARLYM-L, as I regard it as a valuable
>resource for people who want to discuss *early music*.
Unfortunately, on usenet, one has to respond to loony postings, else
they be taken seriously by readers new to the newsgroup. See, for
example, Claire Gilbert's postings on sci.meteorology, or certain
long-running personal conflicts on soc.singles. If one does NOT speak
out against this stuff, it becomes the conventional wisdom. Once
again, this is a reason to NOT gateway lists to groups.
Many mailing lists have been started as a way to cut down on usenet
noise; it's a worthy endeavour and you're always free to do it.
I can't stand rec.music.classical, so someday I'll stop being lazy and
start an "advanced classical music snobs'" mailing list instead.
>So please, in the interest of preserving EARLYM-L as a going
>concern, let's talk about something else.
I'm not concerned with preserving earlym-l as a going concern, since
I'm not a subscriber. (In fact, I *am* interested in preserving it,
but I think the ONLY way that will happen is to kill the goddam
gateway. As always, a voice in the wilderness.)
I AM, however concerned with preserving rec.music.early, and that
requires speaking up when necessary. I've got quite a number of
postings to catch up on, be warned. <grin>
~ Kiran