rmd revolution!
Rick Cheney
return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
truly fresh, original posters. They treat the group like it's their
private preserve and end up alienating newer people who have new
things to say. Anyone who doesn't share their precise viewpoint on
Dylan, music and matters in general is dissed and dismissed as a
troll. Some are trolls, but many, like the guy at the center of the
most recent flap, have been among the most thoughtful and interesting
writers ever to contribute to rmd. I encourage all you 'little people'
to rise up and throw off the Old Guard, make them irrelevant. They
have a stultifying effect on discussion & most of them are puffed-up
mediocrities anyway (one more PSB article that says the same thing in
two dozen ways & I'll croak). Good luck. I'll be watching.
* rick_cheney, from an undisclosed location *
Richard
posters, like yourself, and I have never read anything posted by PSB that
would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas. But you may
have something useful to say that we might understand if you were just a bit
more specific. Perhaps you could jump in with your comments when you see
something you think is a negative for rmd. Till then I for one don't
understand your comment, especially in reference to PSB who has been most
professional in his approach to factual assertions concerning music and
Bob's music in particular.
"Rick Cheney" <rick_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jonny Thakkar
"Rick Cheney" <rick_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Alan Fraser
<feir...@empireone.net> wrote:
>I for one am not working tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh, original
>posters, like yourself, and I have never read anything posted by PSB that
>would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas. But you may
>have something useful to say that we might understand if you were just a bit
>more specific. Perhaps you could jump in with your comments when you see
>something you think is a negative for rmd. Till then I for one don't
>understand your comment, especially in reference to PSB who has been most
>professional in his approach to factual assertions concerning music and
>Bob's music in particular.
I'd certainly second that. I would have thought that PSB is not only a
great guy and a skilled musician, but one person who has never shown
antipathy towards new contributors.
Alan
don freeman
> It is sick because its leading members, led by Peter Stone Brown
> behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh,
> original posters. They treat the group like it's their private preserve
> and end up alienating newer people who have new things to say......
> Some are trolls, but many, like the guy at the center of the most recent
> flap,
> have been among the most thoughtful and interesting writers ever to
> contribute to rmd.
One of the problems with the internet is that if you really want to screw
people around, and other people get wise to you, you can mpersonate new
people, and pretend there is a groundswell of opinion about what a great
contributer you are.
> I recall there once being a dylan chat room...people
> would log on and talk away. met some very nice folks
> through it, but there was one very belligerent person
> (nick was "bbg") that eventually drove many folks away
>Really, tom. Your claim to fame in rmd is
>you take private e-mails and personal information
>that someone might stupidly share with you and post it or use it against
>them later. You are a very untrustworthy person.
>you're the typical stereotype of the internet coward who acts like such
>a loud mouthed bully when you're not confronted by the person you're
>bullying, but who would never have the balls spout your shit to
>somebody's face.
> it is the height of usenet ignorance and a total lack
>of morals and respect to discuss private e-mails a person sends you in
>a public forum. It's the lowest form of trying to win an argument.
>He seems to be an unsavory sort who is not to be trusted. But I don't
>know him and can only go by what I’ve seen.
WS Krispy
"don freeman" <dfr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3C7519D9...@shaw.ca...
> Rick Cheney wrote:
>
> > It is sick because its leading members, led by Peter Stone Brown
> > behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh,
> > original posters. They treat the group like it's their private preserve
> > and end up alienating newer people who have new things to say......
> > Some are trolls, but many, like the guy at the center of the most recent
> > flap,
> > have been among the most thoughtful and interesting writers ever to
> > contribute to rmd.
>
> One of the problems with the internet is that if you really want to screw
> people around, and other people get wise to you, you can mpersonate new
> people, and pretend there is a groundswell of opinion about what a great
> contributer you are.
Figures you'd say someting like that. If one of the approved rmders gets
support and plaudits, it's only right. But when one of the rebels gets a few
words of encouragement it must be a fraud... Nevertheless, I'd like to thank
Peter Lewin and 'Rick Cheney' but ask them to let this go. People's ill will
is just getting depressing and I'd like to move on.
--
ws krispy
keith.smith11
Bullshit!, Petes been nothing but helpful and informative in my opinion.
CP Lee
poster to the group. If 'Rick Cheney' can point to any post where Pete Stone
Brown has crushed, stunted, or dismissed a new poster, I'll be damned if I
can find it.
It's this interminable name calling that's dragging rmd into the same ditch
as the Pink Floyd newsgroup.
Long live good posts! And we do still get them on this group.
CP Lee
--
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doubt everything - disbelieve nothing
"Alan Fraser" <alan.f...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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CP Lee
group, but I read everything - Yes, even the trolls, until I tire of their
irksome odour, and I have never, repeat, ever come across Peter Stone Brown
putting down, snubbing, trashing, etc, a new poster.
As far as I'm concerned rmd is an exciting place for the interchange of
ideas about Dylan and his music which I can then throw around in the pub as
my own!
CP Lee
--
check out - www.cplee.co.uk - see ? for latest
doubt everything - disbelieve nothing
"Alan Fraser" <alan.f...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Anne Thrax
Well, I have. The unrelenting stream of accurate factual & historical
info that PSB posts is one of the major impediments to the expression of
fresh and original ideas by those good folks like Rick, for who the facts
& the real world are secondary to their own ideas, and should be dismissed
out of hand when conflicts arise. Without Mr. Brown and his diabolical ilk,
the good folks of rmd would have been able to enjoy, for example, my lengthy
memoir about being a groupie on the 1967 Dylan/Grateful Dead tour. (Pix
from the Washington 1967 gig on that tour actually offered for sale on a
popular Dylan site, but more about that tomorrow . . .)
St. Annie
"Richard" <feir...@empireone.net> wrote:
>I have never read anything posted by PSB that
>would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas.
CPyle2bob
bd..trouble
REVOLUTION you say...LOL...man i needed a smile..and who would be our new
leaders...YOU AND ??? and what will you bring to us, more discussions?? more
knowledge of bob history?? ...lol.....PSB is a blessing to this forum, for
those of us with thinkin minds anyway...you should appreciate that someone of
his calibar even graces the zone here. I probably only read 10% of the post
here...maybe you should try that. And you can put PSB and those you dislike in
your killfile and then you'd never have to be bothered with their
intelligence!!!!!! Revolution...lol...were you around back when that had such
meaning and power?? i wonder.
Rick Cheney
> I for one am not working tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh, original
> posters, like yourself, and I have never read anything posted by PSB that
> would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas. But you may
> have something useful to say that we might understand if you were just a bit
> more specific. Perhaps you could jump in with your comments when you see
> something you think is a negative for rmd. Till then I for one don't
> understand your comment, especially in reference to PSB who has been most
> professional in his approach to factual assertions concerning music and
> Bob's music in particular.
>
>
>
Please note the phrase 'behind the scenes'. I've traded a few emails
with Peter Lewin (I think he is honest and funny) and he told me that
within hours of his first post defending Krispy he received private
email from PSBrown informing him that Krispy has never made the
slightest contribution to the group and is a troll. There's actually a
lot that Krispy says that I find a little off-putting, but there is no
doubt some of his posts have been fascinating and written with a
refreshing originality of thought. From his truly funny Pez post last
week to his fresh insights on the Beat writers a while ago to his
explanation of NBC's flub-up of the Robbie Robertson performance at
the Olympics to his commentary on the possible influence of Petrarch
on Dylan to his excellent mp3 captures of dylan.com performances, he
has most certainly made real contributions to rmd. PSBrown's
barrelling in and instructing a new rmder that Krisp has contributed
nothing is just big-wig arrogance & perhaps envy. This is not the
first time PSBrown has tried to torpedo a good man privately. I know
of two other instances myself and there must be many more I haven't
heard of... I get nothing out of tearing down PSBrown or anyone else.
I just want to see good fresh stuff on rmd.
Lloyd Fonvielle
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:45:47 -0500, "Richard"
> <feir...@empireone.net> wrote:
>
> >I for one am not working tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh, original
> >posters, like yourself, and I have never read anything posted by PSB that
> >would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas. But you may
> >have something useful to say that we might understand if you were just a bit
> >more specific. Perhaps you could jump in with your comments when you see
> >something you think is a negative for rmd. Till then I for one don't
> >understand your comment, especially in reference to PSB who has been most
> >professional in his approach to factual assertions concerning music and
> >Bob's music in particular.
>
> I'd certainly second that. I would have thought that PSB is not only a
> great guy and a skilled musician, but one person who has never shown
> antipathy towards new contributors.
It's precisely because Peter is so respected around here that the creeps invoke
his name to get attention for themselves. "tom" is always referring to
mysterious private endorsements by Peter, while "Rick Cheney" now
accuses Peter of leading a
behind-the-scenes attack on "tom".
I can't believe that anyone over the age of twelve takes any of this
seriously. These guys are trolls, pure and simple, hiding behind psuedonyms,
trying to disrupt and degrade a discourse they don't have the courage or good
faith to honestly join.
Kelly Huckeby
news:f9231939.02022...@posting.google.com...
> I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
This is absolutely absurd, man. The leading members to whom you are
refering have done nothing but be generous, kind, downright forthcoming
with information, and would never attempt to stifle a newbie's entrance
into rmd. As a matter of fact there have been several new posters to
rmd in the past months that all of rmd has embraced and they truly have
brought a much needed freshness to the discussions. The simple truth is
that there are alot of posters on rmd, and not enough time for everyone
to communicate with all the posters with their undivided attention. It's
foolish to think that every idea or thought can be responded to. People
here do have lives, also. SDW was and is a valued member of rmd, and it
is a shame he is so fustrated at the moment, but he knows he is welcome
back any time he wishes to post. And I will forget that you even made
those disparaging remarks about PSB. They are completely wrong and
uncalled for.
Kelly
"When you asked me how I was doing, was that some kind of joke?"
--
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Outfidel
> I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
> return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
> a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
> blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
> Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
> truly fresh, original posters.
Hey Rick, that's a good one! PSB *must be* some sort of mole, working
tirelessly behing the scenes so that he can control rmd. He's like the
cancer dude in the X-Files. I bet PSB was in Dallas on the grassy
knoll, too.
How about John Howells? And President Dudley? What are their roles in
this Vast Rec.Music.Dylan Conspiracy (VRMDC)?
S1994s
>From: rick_...@hotmail.com (Rick Cheney)
>Date: 2/21/2002 8:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <f9231939.02022...@posting.google.com>
>
Positively disgusting, please unsubscribe me from this list!!!
Obie
Lloyd Fonvielle
> One of the problems with the internet is that if you really want to screw
> people around, and other people get wise to you, you can mpersonate new
> people, and pretend there is a groundswell of opinion about what a great
> contributer you are.
One of the good things about the Internet is that it's usually so easy to see
through this nonsense. When someone who uses a psuedonym attacks someone who
doesn't, you can make a pretty reliable guess as to which one is operating in
good faith.
Kenneth Wilson
> As far as I'm concerned rmd is an exciting place for the interchange of
> ideas about Dylan and his music which I can then throw around in the pub
as
> my own!
Right. And when non-listers ask how we come by so much factual info about
Dylan, all we have to do is arch our eyebrows and say "RMD and PSB." Let'em
figure that out. ;-)
Ken
Lloyd Fonvielle
I can give you a little information on that. President Dudley is currently building a random pseudonym generator
in his garage -- the largest in private hands. If he chooses to make this available to rmd's "axis of evil", we
are all lost.
It was through an early prototype of this machine that the first personality cloning on rmd occurred. People
probably know by now that Kevin Reilly and Ken Wilson are the same person, that Tumulty and I are the same person,
that Peter Stone Brown and Greil Marcus are the same person -- but did you know that "Maya Allison" is a skin-head
biker from Coeur d'Alene with highly suspicious tattoos, and that "Kelly Huckeby" is a retired FBI agent from
Detroit who self-publishes an "alien-invasion-alert" newsletter?
And this is just the beginning . . .
WS Krispy
you lesser lights out there, all ye out of step with this truly formidable
rmd Establishment (just look at all these people tripping over themselves to
proclaim their orthodoxy)-- if you've ever wondered why perfectly good posts
of yours have been met with silence or derision, please understand the
private emails have been on the wing between these 'luminaries'.
--
ws krispy
"CP Lee" <cp....@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Lloyd Fonvielle
> You miss 'Rick Cheneys' point. PSB does this stuff via private email. So all
> you lesser lights out there, all ye out of step with this truly formidable
> rmd Establishment (just look at all these people tripping over themselves to
> proclaim their orthodoxy)-- if you've ever wondered why perfectly good posts
> of yours have been met with silence or derision, please understand the
> private emails have been on the wing between these 'luminaries'.
I've been posting to rmd for a while -- why don't I ever get these secret
instructions about which posts to ignore or deride? How do you get to be part
of the secret cabal that runs rmd?
Kelly Huckeby
news:Qjcd8.7419$co1.1...@news02.optonline.net...
> You miss 'Rick Cheneys' point. PSB does this stuff via private email. So all
> you lesser lights out there, all ye out of step with this truly formidable
> rmd Establishment (just look at all these people tripping over themselves to
> proclaim their orthodoxy)-- if you've ever wondered why perfectly good posts
> of yours have been met with silence or derision, please understand the
> private emails have been on the wing between these 'luminaries'.
>
> --
> ws krispy
>
Emails between rmder's is not exclusive to PSB. Many rmder's email and
keep in touch off line. Sometimes there are things that are better left
in a private arena and not for public consumption on a newsgroup forum.
Obviously by you and and Cheney making this a public issue, you fail to
understand the discretion and tactfullness to which these so-called
slanderous emails are undertaken. And if you had any tact at all this
issue would have been resolved privately. There is no need for you to
air these grievences or make personal attacks. I find it hilarious that
you feel there is some kind of conspiracy to undermine your posts here,
or anyones for that matter. It is not the truth at all.
Kelly
"When you asked me how I was doing, was that some kind of joke."
M. LeBlanc
to quote bob dylan, at forest hills:
"aw c'mon man"
maureen
On 21 Feb 2002 05:33:02 -0800, rick_...@hotmail.com (Rick Cheney)
wrote:
Kelly Huckeby
news:3C754BEA...@compuserve.com...
>
> I can give you a little information on that. President Dudley is currently building a random pseudonym generator
> in his garage -- the largest in private hands. If he chooses to make this available to rmd's "axis of evil", we
> are all lost.
> It was through an early prototype of this machine that the first personality cloning on rmd occurred. People
> probably know by now that Kevin Reilly and Ken Wilson are the same person, that Tumulty and I are the same person,
> that Peter Stone Brown and Greil Marcus are the same person -- but did you know that "Maya Allison" is a skin-head
> biker from Coeur d'Alene with highly suspicious tattoos, and that "Kelly Huckeby" is a retired FBI agent from
> Detroit who self-publishes an "alien-invasion-alert" newsletter?
> And this is just the beginning . . .
Come'on Lloyd, why'd you have to out me like that? I thought we had
talked about this via secret emails and this subject would not be
discussed.
Kelly
"When you asked me how I was doing, was that some kind of joke?"
josmary
For what it's orth (not much, i guess), :-)))
I agree with most of this post.
And for all who are bandwagoning good'ol PSB train, i wanted to add that
yes, maybe nothing like "dismissing, insulting",ok, still some embarassing
and somewhat disturbing (yet immotivate) "superior" attitude.
At least, these are my twopennies.
(which, being europennies, are "objectively" less than dollarpennies)
:-)))
--
Beppe
WS Krispy
Secret cabals have ever had fun with the phrase "secret cabal" (loudly:
"ooooh, secret cabal!" stage whisper: "heh heh"). I loved the humorous
banter elsewhere on this thread between you and
Establishmentarian-in-good-standing Howells. They say Dick Nixon had quite a
sense of humor also... But seriously, they haven't brought you into the game
probably because they caught a faint noxious (to them) whiff of integrity
emanating from you. But now that you've shown you're a good old boy who
judges threads without reading them and who declared he'd be honored to be
counted among the Kreilly Clan, I'm sure the overtures won't be long in
coming. You won't be Lord Funville no more, and with your talents we may be
looking at a new Dark Lord soon.
--
ws krispy
John Howells
<WS Krispy wrote:
You need to know the secret handshake.
(I wonder what qualifies as "perfectly good posts"?)
--
John Howells
how...@punkhart.com
http://www.punkhart.com
karen
have pissed people off with your obvious knack for trying to dig up
dirt, stir up trouble and attack people who are obviously peaceful,
helpful, knowledgeable, gentlemen and ladies. There are Bob fans at
RMD - brand new ones and old worn out stars (joke) too and most seem
to get along fairly well most of the time.
You really think truly fresh and original posters get pushed out? How
could this supposed conspiratorial old guard prevent dozens of people
from posting what they think? We are all just people who have a Dylan
obsession that sets us apart from NORMAL people and thankfully RMD is
a big and diverse community of enablers. :)
If I posted that Self Portrait is the pinnacle of Dylans life work or
that Bob deserved an oscar for Hearts of Fire many here would disagree
with me. But if I said I like Self Portrait and Hearts of Fire because
they both make me laugh my ass off someone might agree. (they do both
make me laugh out loud btw)
I've met a bunch of people and traded with others from RMD and they
have all been a pleasure. Just look at all the freebie offers - the
generosity and goodwill is wonderful. You get what you give.
rick_...@hotmail.com (Rick Cheney) wrote in message news:<f9231939.02022...@posting.google.com>...
> I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
> return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
> a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
> blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
> Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
> truly fresh, original posters. They treat the group like it's their
> private preserve and end up alienating newer people who have new
> things to say. Anyone who doesn't share their precise viewpoint on
> Dylan, music and matters in general is dissed and dismissed as a
> troll. Some are trolls, but many, like the guy at the center of the
> most recent flap, have been among the most thoughtful and interesting
> writers ever to contribute to rmd. I encourage all you 'little people'
> to rise up and throw off the Old Guard, make them irrelevant. They
> have a stultifying effect on discussion & most of them are puffed-up
> mediocrities anyway (one more PSB article that says the same thing in
> two dozen ways & I'll croak). Good luck. I'll be watching.
>
Joe Cliburn
>
> Hey Rick, that's a good one! PSB *must be* some sort of mole, working
> tirelessly behing the scenes so that he can control rmd. He's like the
> cancer dude in the X-Files. I bet PSB was in Dallas on the grassy
> knoll, too.
My bet is that PSB, like any reasonable person, would prefer to be at
the Reunion Arena in Dallas. Tomorrow night.
Joe
--
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray".
-Dylan
maxenglish
>
> Obie
Oh, great - we just lost another newbie - that's one less Dylan fan
rushing the stage during LARS.
____
re: PSB is a blue meanie
Someone needs to point out instances/evidence of "the mean old man on
the internet intimidated me from having a good time on rmd" - before
such a complaint can be taken seriously.
Evidence, please.
WS Krispy
"Joe Cliburn" <jcli...@netdoor.com> wrote in message
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> outf...@yahoo.com (Outfidel) wrote in message
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> >
> > Hey Rick, that's a good one! PSB *must be* some sort of mole, working
> > tirelessly behing the scenes so that he can control rmd. He's like the
> > cancer dude in the X-Files. I bet PSB was in Dallas on the grassy
> > knoll, too.
>
> My bet is that PSB, like any reasonable person, would prefer to be at
> the Reunion Arena in Dallas. Tomorrow night.
>
>
I like the "PSB" acronym, recalling as it does "PCB". PCBs lie out of sight
in the depths (viz.: private email), silently seeping their poisons into the
ecosystem.
--
ws krispy
WS Krispy
"maxenglish" <engli...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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A rare public look at the usually secretive PSB PCB method:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=M7Ko5.3%24x53.38%40newsread1.prod
.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=25
What makes it even richer is that it's directed against current Kreilly Clan
applicant Don Freeman! Laugh as PSB delivers the word "TROLL" as though it's
reverbing down the slopes of Mount Sinai. Sympathize, almost, as "Don
Freemouth" in a teeny voice tries to assert his right to an expressed
opinion. Sigh as PSB again sets the Sinai in his mind shuddering as he
declares this mortal's opinions have been unmitigated bullshit from Day 1
and therefore lose the status of opinion.
--
ws krispy
Rib O'flavin
there.
Lloyd Fonvielle
newsletter, which certainly does offer a lot of thought-provoking information. I always wondered why Dick Cheney and
Ralph Nader had perfectly identical fingerprints -- your explanation seems as good as any.
Rib O'flavin
monthly rmd subscription fee to Tumulty (thanks Tumulty for always
keeping my subscription up to date).
P.S. Waiting for further instructions, and lost my decoder ring, dangit.
Moderator
(Rick Cheney (our newest anonymous troll) wrote:
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Well, Rick not really undisclosed.
Let's start with this:
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> Dylan, all we have to do is arch our eyebrows and say "RMD and PSB." Let'em
> figure that out. ;-)
When I want factual information about Dylan, I usually go to my personal
Dylan library, or to a reputable research library, just as I do for any
other scholarly project that requires documentation. If I'm too lazy to
look it up myself, I might come here to get a quick answer from someone who
might have it on the top of his/her head, or who has the time to look it up
for me.
What I most like about rmd are the unvarnished opinions about the lyrics and
performances that get the emotional juices flowing and which force us to
realize that our personal points of view might not be the optimal ones.
George
Why ask me my name
saying 'Absolutely not', which left me wondering, Could I be
absolutely right?
(Especially as he had dodged dealing with the issues.)
Then most of his posts that I glanced at seemed to contain
'absolutely' or 'absolutely not' - where they did not consist solely
of these words (great logical reasoning- what?). In fact I did an
archive search on him under this term - and it came up with fifty
occurrences; I think the suspiciously understated result was due to my
only inserting a single variation of his name/address - when, I think,
there are really several. Perhaps some scholar could take this up.
Anyway, sorry my irony has been lost on you straight-faced grey
flannels. I mean wicked birds.
At Wembley 2000, on the way out I asked my companion, 'Have you read
any Peter Sto ... ?'
'Goooohhd. Ochh!!!'
'So you have then ...'
'Gawwwh! Uggh! There's just no need for that, there really isnt!'
'What, you mean the "absolutely .... " ' [CUT OFF AGAIN]
'There really is just no need for that kind of thing, it's really
really awful, it really is. It really is disgusting that kind of
attitude'
And I never did get a word in: case was closed before it was opened.
This person's attitude to rmd:
'Occchh! Going OFF THE FUCKING TRAAAACK. Ah, Gooooddd!. Phwaaa!!
Fuck!!'
'So you dont read it?'
'Oh, I never post, I just like to lurk quietly, gleaning anything of
interest. I'm just there but never make myself known'
And that is the case for a lot of persons - including the known Dylan
writers who try, by omission, to pretend, in their work, that they
never visit or have even heard of the net. It would be just too
'unprofessional' - I assume. Ironic when you consider how at least
two of them have appropriated material from rmd and the net, but got
it garbled, thereby betraying their source - yet not credited them.
Interesting.
I once visited Peter's site for about 2 mins, heard a couple snippets
of songs in a kind of quasi-dylanesque whine-crescendo bark:
'Yooooouuuu!!'. Faintly amusing. No particularly bad word - or good,
really.
There's little i could say in detail about the guy (beyond a general
impression of his love of detail and control) because I stop reading
after the first two lines of exceedingly detailed (and probably very
accurate) trivia. That's not my scene. To each his own - if dogs run
free (outside of Greenwich village). He knows more about when Dylan
did something and what it was than Dylan - who is very vague about
time scales. (This is why he hates Heylin and says he should be
boycotted by only getting the books from the library. Now that IS
'professional' jealousy). I'm more interested in Dylan concepts. In
the realm of Dylanology he would sink like a stone. Brown. Dylanology
does not equal Weberman; he is only one manifestation - as S-B and
Krispy flakes are different manifestations of the 'collective psyche
of rmd'. When I decided (and i regret the slippery slope into a black
hole of wasted time) to dip in, I thought 'What shall I call myself?'
And something just came to me. Like with Dylan's greatest songs, 'it
just came to me' (and Clydie wasnt even there).
That is to say, one thing did 'absolutely' stick in my mind - over a
number of years.
(Why doesnt Bob promote his music from a web site?)
Wolfds
>I find it hilarious that
>you feel there is some kind of conspiracy to undermine your posts here,
>or anyones for that matter. It is not the truth at all.
There need be no conspiracy to undermine this man's posts; Peter Lewin/WS
Krispy/Rick Cheney does a pretty good job of it all by himself.
Dave
Wolfds
>I like the "PSB" acronym, recalling as it does "PCB"
Those are not acronyms, you ignorant lout. Just shove off already.
Dave
WS Krispy
"Wolfds" <wol...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020221200856...@mb-cb.aol.com...
Wrong _again_ Leftenant #2. P.S.B is a set of initials. PSB is effectively
an acronym, and PCB always was. Aren't you under orders to check with
Kreilly for accuracy/correctness before posting? Given that you sleep in his
dresser drawer it's not asking much to call him over for an ok.
--
ws krispy
WS Krispy
"Moderator" <???@???.com> wrote in message
news:???-285630.182...@multimedia.uncensored-news.com...
>
> (Rick Cheney (our newest anonymous troll) wrote:
>
> > * rick_cheney, from an undisclosed location *
>
>
> Well, Rick not really undisclosed.
> Let's start with this:
>
> OOL Hostmaster (OH4-ORG-ARIN) hostm...@CV.NET
> Cablevision Systems
> 111 Crossways Park West Drive
> Woodbury, NY 11797
> US
>
> Would you like to know more?
>
> Peace - Out,
>
> THE MODERATOR (self appointed)
yo Sherlock, you've narrowed it down, including greater metro areas, to 22
million people. Keep pumping those mad CyBEerDEtecTivE skills.
--
ws krispy
Mretramp2
>"Lloyd Fonvielle" <navi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>news:3C7555C5...@compuserve.com...
>> I've been posting to rmd for a while -- why don't I ever get these secret
>> instructions about which posts to ignore or deride? How do you get to be
>part
>> of the secret cabal that runs rmd?
>But seriously, they haven't brought you into the game
>probably because they caught a faint noxious (to them) whiff of integrity
>emanating from you.
Now, wait a second here. I have absolutely NO integrity. I'm a LAWYER for
Chrissake. And I don't get any secret cabal emails. I wanna know who to
ignore and deride, too. Can't I take a lack of integrity test or something to
prove I'm worthy?
David Bachman
mret...@aol.com
"You stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say 'Do you want to
Make a deal?'"
- Bob Dylan
gadu...@sunflower.com
Maya Allison
Man, I take one little break from rmd (new tattoo, dude, these things take
time), and you go and blow my cover. Sigh. But I'm straight-edge okay, not
skinhead. Sheesh. Now Kelly has finally caught up with me, so much for the
revolution... Bob's going to be VERY disappointed.
Tumulty
> If not for these private emails, I never would of known to send the
> monthly rmd subscription fee to Tumulty (thanks Tumulty for always
> keeping my subscription up to date).
>
> P.S. Waiting for further instructions, and lost my decoder ring, dangit.
You are welcome Mr. Ribs. We can arrange to have that fee taken right
out of your account and placed into mine every month,automatically,
just like magic. Wouldn't that be nice?
T.
Tumulty
> What makes it even richer is that it's directed against current Kreilly Clan
> applicant Don Freeman! Laugh as PSB delivers the word "TROLL" as though it's
> reverbing down the slopes of Mount Sinai. Sympathize, almost, as "Don
> Freemouth" in a teeny voice tries to assert his right to an expressed
> opinion. Sigh as PSB again sets the Sinai in his mind shuddering as he
> declares this mortal's opinions have been unmitigated bullshit from Day 1
> and therefore lose the status of opinion.
Krispy, did you go and have a bad week and then decide it was PSB's
fault? Most of us in here have sat at the big folks table for a while
now. We think we know enough to decipher posts all by our lonesomes.
Nobody, save me, is right all of the time or wrong all of the time. If
it weren't for life's political amusements, who'd ever get up in the
a.m.?
T.
Tumulty
> >
> > I'd certainly second that. I would have thought that PSB is not only a
> > great guy and a skilled musician, but one person who has never shown
> > antipathy towards new contributors.
Except the time he made Seth K. sit on newspapers in the car.
Maya Allison
So that's why I've been sleeping so late... I had a feeling I'd misplaced my
sense of humor!
sd9
tumulty , you are a true classic !
( and i mean that in the most sincerest of ways ) !
that memory brought a smile to my face !
t . y .
~ sd9 ~
( scooter to you )
: )
*
Alan Fraser
<navi...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>WS Krispy wrote:
>
>> You miss 'Rick Cheneys' point. PSB does this stuff via private email. So all
>> you lesser lights out there, all ye out of step with this truly formidable
>> rmd Establishment (just look at all these people tripping over themselves to
>> proclaim their orthodoxy)-- if you've ever wondered why perfectly good posts
>> of yours have been met with silence or derision, please understand the
>> private emails have been on the wing between these 'luminaries'.
>
>I've been posting to rmd for a while -- why don't I ever get these secret
>instructions about which posts to ignore or deride? How do you get to be part
>of the secret cabal that runs rmd?
I was wondering that too!
Alan
President_dudley
Hey brotherman, read you loud & clear.
I've been recently advised against feeding trolls, but given the length of
threads hereunder, more like unto a skein, I offer the following:
1) Stand facing the stove.
2) Take a couple nice skinned & boned chicken thighs, seasoned liberally,
and saute.
3) Also cook off adequate rounds of eggplant and onion.
4) Pile 'em all up.
5) Open up a can or jar of your favourite preprocessed tomato sauce (I like
Ragu 3-cheese) & pour o'er.
6) Top with mozzarella & bake in a baking dish long enough to make it really
delicious.
Serve with pasta of your choice. I like linguine with a "sauce" of
butter-softened garlic. About 40 cloves, sliced.
Hope this helps,
dudley
Rick Cheney wrote in message ...
>I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
>return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
>a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
>blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
>Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
>truly fresh, original posters. They treat the group like it's their
>private preserve and end up alienating newer people who have new
>things to say. Anyone who doesn't share their precise viewpoint on
>Dylan, music and matters in general is dissed and dismissed as a
>troll. Some are trolls, but many, like the guy at the center of the
>most recent flap, have been among the most thoughtful and interesting
>writers ever to contribute to rmd. I encourage all you 'little people'
>to rise up and throw off the Old Guard, make them irrelevant. They
>have a stultifying effect on discussion & most of them are puffed-up
>mediocrities anyway (one more PSB article that says the same thing in
>two dozen ways & I'll croak). Good luck. I'll be watching.
>
Doug
contact I've ever had with PSB is a kind, sraight-forward, entirely
understandable note. His articles are easy to read and often make
very good sense. Every thing I've ever read by Greil Marcus is
unintelligible, self-aggrandizing twaddle that contributes nothing to
my understanding of Bob Dylan. If the same person can produce such
widely divergent material under such a veil of secrecy, then he can be
king of r.m.d. if he wants to be.
What makes me smile is that trolls such as rick_cheney (and until you
say who you are, you are a troll) are trying to make r.m.d. something
that it can't possibly be. There are SO many people finding this
newsgroup all the time, and so many people who haven't asked "What
Dylan album should I start with?" that it can't be just an oasis of
high-falootin' Dylan-speak. Only a few people here know (or care)
that Bob broke his toe while climbing the steps to take the stage for
the afternoon performance at Niagara Falls in 1975, and the searing
pain caused him to play "Like A Rolling Stone" as a waltz with only
accordian and ukelele accompaniment. And if people _are_ e-mailing
around trying to "censor" posts or posters (I've gotten one myself
recently, and very happily told the sender to piss off), then they
need to get a life. There is so much information and so many people
willing to provide it that there is no way to control content of this
or any other unmoderated newsgroup.
Best,
Doug
Lloyd Fonvielle <navi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:<3C754BEA...@compuserve.com>...
> Outfidel wrote:
>
> > rick_...@hotmail.com (Rick Cheney) wrote in message news:<f9231939.02022...@posting.google.com>...
> > > I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
> > > return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
> > > a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
> > > blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
> > > Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
> > > truly fresh, original posters.
> >
> > Hey Rick, that's a good one! PSB *must be* some sort of mole, working
> > tirelessly behing the scenes so that he can control rmd. He's like the
> > cancer dude in the X-Files. I bet PSB was in Dallas on the grassy
> > knoll, too.
> >
> > How about John Howells? And President Dudley? What are their roles in
> > this Vast Rec.Music.Dylan Conspiracy (VRMDC)?
Rick Cheney
>
> It's precisely because Peter is so respected around here that the creeps invoke
> his name to get attention for themselves. "tom" is always referring to
> mysterious private endorsements by Peter, while "Rick Cheney" now
> accuses Peter of leading a
> behind-the-scenes attack on "tom".
> I can't believe that anyone over the age of twelve takes any of this
> seriously. These guys are trolls, pure and simple, hiding behind psuedonyms,
> trying to disrupt and degrade a discourse they don't have the courage or good
> faith to honestly join.
Huh? I was not referring to "tom" when I said "the guy at the center
of the current flap". I was referring to Krispy.
And your problem with pseudonyms is just plain wrongheaded. From the
early days of Usenet, the creators of the technology have advised
people to use pseudonyms due to the threat posed by internet nut cases
in possession of someone's real name. That threat is now graphically
before your eyes with the actions of 'Moderator' and 'Jason' and you
still don't learn. Someday you'll be targeted by one of these cyber
stalkers and you'll revise your stance on pseudonyms in a hurry.
dave harrison
> Dear Rick,
>
> Hey brotherman, read you loud & clear.
>
> I've been recently advised against feeding trolls, but given the length of
> threads hereunder, more like unto a skein, I offer the following:
>
> 1) Stand facing the stove.
> 2) Take a couple nice skinned & boned chicken thighs, seasoned liberally,
> and saute.
Pres, you forgot the sliced black olives and anchovies added here.
Best Regards
Dave Harrison
''Leon, we forgive you''
Kelly Huckeby
news:B89B4E25.4D89%mayaa...@earthlink.net...
> >
> Man, I take one little break from rmd (new tattoo, dude, these things take
> time), and you go and blow my cover. Sigh. But I'm straight-edge okay, not
> skinhead. Sheesh. Now Kelly has finally caught up with me, so much for the
> revolution... Bob's going to be VERY disappointed.
It's okay, Maya. We will share our mutual shame of being "uncovered".
Hey, you haven't by any chance had any alien encounters have you? I
could really use a "Questionably Tattooed Skinhead Rmd'er Ubducted!"
story for my newsletter. Sales would soar, and you'd become a
celebrity!
Kelly - Editor and Chief, "The Alien-Invasion Alert" Newsletter
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
John Lettiere
Pete's the salt of the earth and all round good guy, so lay off...........!
--
John Lettiere GM
Preferred Computing Inc.
http://perfcomp.homestead.com/Prefcomp2.html
"You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows".....Bob Dylan
"Rick Cheney" <rick_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f9231939.02022...@posting.google.com...
> I was a frequent poster to rmd some time ago but left in disgust. I
> return now under an assumed name (to protect the innocent: me) to make
> a few statements. rmd is indeed sick, but not for the reasons the
> blustering SDW gave. It is sick because its leading members, led by
> Peter Stone Brown behind the scenes, work tirelessly to keep a lid on
John Howells
<And your problem with pseudonyms is just plain wrongheaded. From the
<early days of Usenet, the creators of the technology have advised
<people to use pseudonyms due to the threat posed by internet nut cases
<in possession of someone's real name. That threat is now graphically
<before your eyes with the actions of 'Moderator' and 'Jason' and you
<still don't learn. Someday you'll be targeted by one of these cyber
<stalkers and you'll revise your stance on pseudonyms in a hurry.
Oh bullshit Krispy. You know nothing about the early days of Usenet.
No one (in good faith) used pseudonyms in those days, and in fact
were prevented from doing so because in order to access Usenet you
had to have a genuine user account on a bonafide computer located
in a bonafide university, research lab, or professional computer-related
company. Anonymous postings were of course possible and did happen,
but they were frowned upon much the way child molesters are frowned
upon today.
--
John Howells
how...@punkhart.com
http://www.punkhart.com
John Lettiere
> of the secret cabal that runs rmd?
By human sacrifice, how else?
And why are you wasting your time answering a jealous moron like Krispy critter
anyway Lloyd?
--
John Lettiere GM
Preferred Computing Inc.
http://perfcomp.homestead.com/Prefcomp2.html
"You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows".....Bob Dylan
"Lloyd Fonvielle" <navi...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
news:3C7555C5...@compuserve.com...
Lloyd Fonvielle
> Dear Rick,
>
> Hey brotherman, read you loud & clear.
>
> I've been recently advised against feeding trolls, but given the length of
> threads hereunder, more like unto a skein, I offer the following:
>
> 1) Stand facing the stove.
> 2) Take a couple nice skinned & boned chicken thighs, seasoned liberally,
> and saute.
> 3) Also cook off adequate rounds of eggplant and onion.
> 4) Pile 'em all up.
> 5) Open up a can or jar of your favourite preprocessed tomato sauce (I like
> Ragu 3-cheese) & pour o'er.
> 6) Top with mozzarella & bake in a baking dish long enough to make it really
> delicious.
>
> Serve with pasta of your choice. I like linguine with a "sauce" of
> butter-softened garlic. About 40 cloves, sliced.
>
> Hope this helps . . .
How could it not help? Everybody around here could probably do with some good
hot food, and some soul-soothing time slaving over a hot stove.
Someone for Christmas gave me a few packages of dried Porcini mushrooms.
I soaked them in warm water for about half an hour, drained them, sautéed them
in olive oil until they were good and hot, threw in a pat of butter at the last
minute and when it was melted, poured the whole over fresh-cooked pasta and
served it with freshly grated Romano cheese. Served with it a wonderful red
Sancerre I bought accidentally, thinking it was a white Sancerre.
You cannot eat a better meal than this, anywhere, at any price. It costs
you about 15 minutes of labor in the kitchen, plus whatever skullduggery it
takes to beg, borrow or steal a few Porcini mushrooms.
Hope this helps . . .
WS Krispy
"John Howells" <how...@punkhart.com> wrote in message
news:y4wd8.3060$A%3.3...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
I see you're following the pack as usual in believing I am 'Rick Cheney'.
Well, why break character now? And oh I forgot you're also the resident
Ultimate Authority and Arbiter of Veracity on Issues Relating to Internet
History and Culture. Let me ask you, do you know who Rob Pike is and why he
is beloved of so many?
--
ws krispy
WS Krispy
"John Lettiere" <lett...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:a562pr$3a7$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net...
> You're talkin' out yer ass boy!
>
> Pete's the salt of the earth and all round good guy, so lay
off...........!
if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted?
Answer: Humility
--
ws krispy
Anne Thrax
There are no openings in our coven at this time. Your names will be
retained in our files, however, for possible future action if an appropriate
opening should occur.
St. Annie
raven
John Howells wrote:
> Lloyd Fonvielle <navi...@compuserve.com> writes:
>
> <WS Krispy wrote:
>
> <> You miss 'Rick Cheneys' point. PSB does this stuff via private email. So all
> <> you lesser lights out there, all ye out of step with this truly formidable
> <> rmd Establishment (just look at all these people tripping over themselves to
> <> proclaim their orthodoxy)-- if you've ever wondered why perfectly good posts
> <> of yours have been met with silence or derision, please understand the
> <> private emails have been on the wing between these 'luminaries'.
>
> <I've been posting to rmd for a while -- why don't I ever get these secret
> <instructions about which posts to ignore or deride? How do you get to be part
> <of the secret cabal that runs rmd?
>
> You need to know the secret handshake.
>
> (I wonder what qualifies as "perfectly good posts"?)
>
> --
>
> John Howells
> how...@punkhart.com
> http://www.punkhart.com
ISO posts are politically correct, non-abusive and boring. All this bickering
sounds like a teenage popularity contest. But wtf do I know? I'm just a humble
trader.
Tumulty
<< .. There is so much information and so many people
willing to provide it that there is no way to control content of this
or any other unmoderated newsgroup.>>
I decided just last night that I am iinfallible. I've always suspected
it but now I know for sure. Tumulty and Lordy Funville = Infallibility
From now on one of us (it won't even matter which one) will try in vain
to control the content of this and any other newsgroup any one of you
think you can mentally run amok in . May the Big F opress you.
T.
Bob Gill
No, don't do it! Don't put your bank account at the mercy of someone who
sleeps upside down in a chair.
-- Bob G.
John Lettiere
>
> Answer: Humility
>
Words you should follow yourself asshole!
--
John Lettiere GM
Preferred Computing Inc.
http://perfcomp.homestead.com/Prefcomp2.html
"You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows".....Bob Dylan
"WS Krispy" <wskr...@EXCISEoptonline.com> wrote in message
news:2ezd8.26760$co1.4...@news02.optonline.net...
dave harrison
>> >
> > .
> You cannot eat a better meal than this, anywhere, at any price. It costs
> you about 15 minutes of labor in the kitchen, plus whatever skullduggery it
> takes to beg, borrow or steal a few Porcini mushrooms.
> Hope this helps . . .
Lloyd, I don't know where you come from, I don't know the ins and outs
about cooking a halfway decent meal in the USA, but you can't beg
borrow or steal Porcini mushrooms.
All you can do is count your blessings.
your best mate
dave harrison
WS Krispy
> > if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted?
> >
> > Answer: Humility
> >
>
> Words you should follow yourself asshole!
>
> --
> John Lettiere
First exercise in humility: "I will not call others assholes. I will not
call others assholes." Fall asleep tonight repeating that JohnnyTuffGuy and
the angels will smile. Oh I forgot you're an atheist. Well do it anyway.
--
ws krispy
dave harrison
>
> > Dear Rick,
> >
> > Hey brotherman, read you loud & clear.
> >
> >> >
> >
> I soaked them in warm water for about half an hour, drained them, sautéed them
> in olive oil until they were good and hot, threw in a pat of butter at the last
> minute and when it was melted, poured the whole over fresh-cooked pasta and
> served it with freshly grated Romano cheese. Served with it a wonderful red
> Sancerre I bought accidentally, thinking it was a white Sancerre.
> You cannot eat a better meal than this, anywhere, at any price. It costs
> you about 15 minutes of labor in the kitchen, plus whatever skullduggery it
> takes to beg, borrow or steal a few Porcini mushrooms.
> Hope this helps . . .
Lloyd my man. You cannot beg, borrow or steal Porcini mushrooms or any
other
mushrooms.
You can only stand defiant.
You set your strategy a month ahead.
Milan, the northern Alpine towns of Italy, the deli shops of Edinburgh
next to where you buy Bessie Banks and stare at the sky, the
restaurants where you impress upon 22 year old six foot tall black
women that you are truly a media man, here put your line in sand.
The rich take you.
You will improvise.
Nobody will beat you.
You start the morning with Clyde singing 'Lucille'' - the taste is in
the distilled residue beneath the mushrooms in the colander.
You slowly, at some heat - play Big Joe - swear to God, play Big Joe
Turner as you're cooking - let the mushrooms cook through the
distilled black essence you have added.
Cook slowly. You are as slow as you can.
You want that taste on each piece.
There are two moments you take. One is the possibility Mr Dylan gives
you,
the other is when you serve the mushrooms on the plate.
Best Regards
Dave harrison
Best Regards.
Dave Harrison.
Tumulty
<<..People
probably know by now that Kevin Reilly and Ken Wilson are the same
person, that Tumulty and I are the same person..>>
Has anyone told the I.R.S.?
tmon
like some of his musings, I thought the MSG review recently was
excellent. I just don't get why he critiques music objectively. One
thing I've noticed is that Peter tends to dismiss differing opinions
about Dylan with an "ah you're wrong" as if Bob's works are "good" or
"not good", and most of the time Peter votes "good" because he really
likes Dylan. I don't mind that he really likes Dylan, who doesn't, it's
just that I find it kind of odd when he states opinion as a matter of
fact when talking about Dylan and music in general.
Lloyd Fonvielle
You're fretting over nothing here. There are no objective critiques
regarding the quality of any piece of music -- it's all subjective
opinion. So it's redundant, for example, to state "IN MY OPINION 'Love &
Theft' is the kind of work which redeems our civilization." What else
could that be but a personal opinion? (And the soundest one ever expressed
in this forum, by the way.)
Peter Stone Brown knows a lot of objective things about music and
music history, but his opinion about the relative quality of any particular
piece of music is and can only be subjective. One enjoys the confidence he
feels in his opinions, one assumes they could change and have changed over
time.
What's the problem?
lucky wilbury fan
Lloyd Fonvielle <navi...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>There are no objective critiques
>regarding the quality of any piece of music
So Donny Osmond = Bob Dylan?
And Mozart has no more quality than
the guy in _Dirty Harry_ who held those
kids hostage singing _Row, row, row,
your boat_?
what are you smoking
i want some
>Peter Stone Brown knows a lot of objective things about music
>and music history, but his opinion about the relative quality
>of any particular piece of music is and can only be
>subjective.
Sir, you have a keen grasp of the obvious.
To quote Dylan: "If you have an original
idea, <we> could use it right now."
Maya Allison
> "Maya Allison" <mayaa...@earthlink.net> wrote:>
>
> > Man, I take one little break from rmd (new tattoo, dude, these things take
> > time), and you go and blow my cover. Sigh. But I'm straight-edge okay, not
> > skinhead. Sheesh. Now Kelly has finally caught up with me, so much for the
> > revolution... Bob's going to be VERY disappointed.
>
>
> It's okay, Maya. We will share our mutual shame of being "uncovered".
> Hey, you haven't by any chance had any alien encounters have you? I
> could really use a "Questionably Tattooed Skinhead Rmd'er Ubducted!"
> story for my newsletter. Sales would soar, and you'd become a
> celebrity!
>
> Kelly - Editor and Chief, "The Alien-Invasion Alert" Newsletter
Dear Editor and Chief,
What few people know is that Bob Dylan and I are both aliens. That's
why we look so funny. Thanks to Howard, our matching mustaches have
been revealed as well. All is lost. But I confess, this is why you
feel so strange when you leave the concert hall after seeing Dylan.
One big alien encounter that leaves you with the profound feeling that
we are not alone...
Maya Allison
This is the secret to infallibility, I hear. I plan on doing exactly that
tonight. Which might explain why I'm up so late.
John Lettiere
> call others assholes." Fall asleep tonight repeating that JohnnyTuffGuy and
> the angels will smile. Oh I forgot you're an atheist. Well do it anyway.
>
You know Critter?, you are so predictably boring, it makes me puke!
Oh. and you're still an ASSHOLE................!
--
John Lettiere GM
Preferred Computing Inc.
http://perfcomp.homestead.com/Prefcomp2.html
"You Don't Need A Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows".....Bob Dylan
"WS Krispy" <wskr...@EXCISEoptonline.com> wrote in message
news:bsDd8.31230$co1.5...@news02.optonline.net...
Glynne Walley
>
>> Regarding PSB, there's no denying that he knows a lot about Dylan. I
>>like some of his musings, I thought the MSG review recently was
>>excellent. I just don't get why he critiques music objectively. One
>>thing I've noticed is that Peter tends to dismiss differing opinions
>>about Dylan with an "ah you're wrong" as if Bob's works are "good" or
>>"not good", and most of the time Peter votes "good" because he really
>>likes Dylan. I don't mind that he really likes Dylan, who doesn't, it's
>>just that I find it kind of odd when he states opinion as a matter of
>>fact when talking about Dylan and music in general.
>
Lloyd Fonvielle wrote:
>You're fretting over nothing here. There are no objective critiques
>regarding the quality of any piece of music -- it's all subjective
>opinion. So it's redundant, for example, to state "IN MY OPINION 'Love &
>Theft' is the kind of work which redeems our civilization." What else
>could that be but a personal opinion? (And the soundest one ever expressed
>in this forum, by the way.)
> Peter Stone Brown knows a lot of objective things about music and
>music history, but his opinion about the relative quality of any particular
>piece of music is and can only be subjective. One enjoys the confidence he
>feels in his opinions, one assumes they could change and have changed over
>time.
> What's the problem?
So I write:
Plus, I think it's humorous when Peter does that. He knows as well as the
rest of us that aesthetic judgements are all subjective, but then who among
us doesn't secretly feel on some level that his or her aesthetic judgments
are not just subjectively but somehow objectively true? That "Love And
Theft" is a great album not just in my brain, but somehow in a way that's
true for all listeners whether or not they're smart enough to recognize it?
We know in our heads that this is not true, but we feel it that way anyway.
So phrasing one's opinions as if they were fact can sometimes be just
another form of hyperbole, and if it's stated in such a way that a
discerning reader knows the writer isn't being dogmatic, but merely
enthusiastic, I think it can be fun, and even funny, in the sense that we
laugh with pleasure when we recognize something of ourselves in someone
else.
Anyway, not to try to ascribe my motives to anyone else, but that's how I
take it when Peter says "ah you're wrong." That, and maybe a gentle dig at
someone who has the right to their own opinion but who hasn't put a great
deal of mental or emotional effort into arriving at said opinion. For the
record, when Peter says "ah you're wrong," I usually agree with him.
(Unless he says it to me, in which case he plainly doesn't know what he's
talking about.)
Glynne
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>>There are no objective critiques
>>regarding the quality of any piece of music
>
>
>
>So Donny Osmond = Bob Dylan?
>
>And Mozart has no more quality than
>the guy in _Dirty Harry_ who held those
>kids hostage singing _Row, row, row,
>your boat_?
>
>what are you smoking
Provide some criteria other than social convention. All aesthetics are
conventions not neutrally objective evaluations based on some universal
criteria. For young girls in the early seventies, Donnie was the man, not Bob.
Rib O'flavin
delivered to you by March 1; Well, I guess you wanted the same thing as
Tumulty?
"gadu...@sunflower.com" wrote:
>
> Further instructions: starting March 1 send subscription fees to me :)
>
> Rib O'flavin wrote:
>
> > If not for these private emails, I never would of known to send the
> > monthly rmd subscription fee to Tumulty (thanks Tumulty for always
> > keeping my subscription up to date).
> >
> > P.S. Waiting for further instructions, and lost my decoder ring, dangit.
> >
> > Rick Cheney wrote:
> >
> >>"Richard" <feir...@empireone.net> wrote in message news:<u79uhb9...@corp.supernews.com>...
> >>
> >>>I for one am not working tirelessly to keep a lid on truly fresh, original
> >>>posters, like yourself, and I have never read anything posted by PSB that
> >>>would come close to inhibiting the fresh exchange of new ideas. But you may
> >>>have something useful to say that we might understand if you were just a bit
> >>>more specific. Perhaps you could jump in with your comments when you see
> >>>something you think is a negative for rmd. Till then I for one don't
> >>>understand your comment, especially in reference to PSB who has been most
> >>>professional in his approach to factual assertions concerning music and
> >>>Bob's music in particular.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Please note the phrase 'behind the scenes'. I've traded a few emails
> >>with Peter Lewin (I think he is honest and funny) and he told me that
> >>within hours of his first post defending Krispy he received private
> >>email from PSBrown informing him that Krispy has never made the
> >>slightest contribution to the group and is a troll. There's actually a
> >>lot that Krispy says that I find a little off-putting, but there is no
> >>doubt some of his posts have been fascinating and written with a
> >>refreshing originality of thought. From his truly funny Pez post last
> >>week to his fresh insights on the Beat writers a while ago to his
> >>explanation of NBC's flub-up of the Robbie Robertson performance at
> >>the Olympics to his commentary on the possible influence of Petrarch
> >>on Dylan to his excellent mp3 captures of dylan.com performances, he
> >>has most certainly made real contributions to rmd. PSBrown's
> >>barrelling in and instructing a new rmder that Krisp has contributed
> >>nothing is just big-wig arrogance & perhaps envy. This is not the
> >>first time PSBrown has tried to torpedo a good man privately. I know
> >>of two other instances myself and there must be many more I haven't
> >>heard of... I get nothing out of tearing down PSBrown or anyone else.
> >>I just want to see good fresh stuff on rmd.
> >>
Rib O'flavin
words, all beginning with the letter x, and I really do like 'em, it's
just that I don't use 'em that much, and think I can probably get by
without them. I'll send 'em your way, I just hope they don't come apart
in the mail.
P.S. Wouldn't you like to hate me. We could be such great enemies.
Ribs A'ticklin'
Tumulty wrote:
>
> Rib O'flavin wrote:
> > If not for these private emails, I never would of known to send the
> > monthly rmd subscription fee to Tumulty (thanks Tumulty for always
> > keeping my subscription up to date).
> >
> > P.S. Waiting for further instructions, and lost my decoder ring, dangit.
>
> You are welcome Mr. Ribs. We can arrange to have that fee taken right
> out of your account and placed into mine every month,automatically,
> just like magic. Wouldn't that be nice?
> T.
Rib O'flavin
try not to think about it much.
Linn Carpenter
these simple minded trolling morons. There's one very jealous fuckwit
hiding behind a ridiculous user name in a pathetically lame and failed
attempt at cleverness and humor whose posts are even more pathetic, not
to mention long-winded and boring. Then there's another nut case who is
so disturbed and insecure as to the worth and significance of his own
opinions (worthless and insignificant as they may be) that he found it
necessary to invent two or three alter-egos in rmd to give the
impression that he has supporters who will help him launch his vicious
attacks on some of the finest and most knowledgeable members of this
group. Interesting how all these unknown posters slithered out of the
woodwork at the same time claiming they "used to post" long ago under a
"different name". Sadly, these people fail to see how transparent their
foolish attempts at deception really are.
Just a bunch of pansy-ass cowards.
Linn
WS Krispy
"Linn Carpenter" <new...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3C77E3A6...@comcast.net...
> Frankly, I don't know why anyone at all is wasting their time answering
> these simple minded trolling morons. There's one very jealous fuckwit
> hiding behind a ridiculous user name in a pathetically lame and failed
> attempt at cleverness and humor whose posts are even more pathetic, not
> to mention long-winded and boring. Then there's another nut case who is
> so disturbed and insecure as to the worth and significance of his own
> opinions (worthless and insignificant as they may be) that he found it
> necessary to invent two or three alter-egos in rmd to give the
> impression that he has supporters who will help him launch his vicious
> attacks on some of the finest and most knowledgeable members of this
> group. Interesting how all these unknown posters slithered out of the
> woodwork at the same time claiming they "used to post" long ago under a
> "different name". Sadly, these people fail to see how transparent their
> foolish attempts at deception really are.
>
> Just a bunch of pansy-ass cowards.
>
> Linn
>
One word: Lickspittle.
--
ws krispy
Tumulty
<<.. I just don't get why he critiques music objectively. One
> thing I've noticed is that Peter tends to dismiss differing opinions
> about Dylan with an "ah you're wrong" as if Bob's works are "good" or
> "not good", and most of the time Peter votes "good" because he really
> likes Dylan.
He isn't blind to BD however. Last summer, I believe, during the
Italian
finger pointing incident, we dissagreed sharply. Peter taking the so
called
"victims" side. We didn't know at the time that I was infallible, so
naturally he stuck to his guns and he did not side with BD in the
least. I did and look what it got me.
> I don't mind that he really likes Dylan, who doesn't, it's
> just that I find it kind of odd when he states opinion as a matter of
> fact when talking about Dylan and music in general.
Welly, you don't have to consider it as a matter of fact. Some folks
are more sensitive to such things and begin or end with, IMHO. Maybe
Petey
just assumes like most do, that we already know that without stating
it every time?
T.
Kenneth Wilson
How many of those young girls still think he's "the man"? How many have
moved on to Bob? If they could speak for themselves here .......
Ken
lucky wilbury fan
>>>There are no objective critiques
>>>regarding the quality of any piece of music
>>
>>
>>
>>So Donny Osmond = Bob Dylan?
>>
>>And Mozart has no more quality than
>>the guy in _Dirty Harry_ who held those
>>kids hostage singing _Row, row, row,
>>your boat_?
>>
>>what are you smoking
>
>Provide some criteria other than social convention.
I never mentioned social convention. You're the one
bringing "social convention" into the discussion
right now -- and ascribing it to my comments. That's
called sophistry.
As an "aesthetician:" Dylan is better than Donny Osmond.
It has nothing to do with girls.
Get a grip.
>All aesthetics are conventions not neutrally
>objective evaluations based on some universal
>criteria.
You sound like Hegel on Prozac.
But you're half right: aesthetics are abstract
convetions -- yet they are still relative,
i.e., great art, bad art; great technique,
poor technique, etc.
Just because there may not be any universal
ideal, doesn't mean that some art isn't better
than others in the relative worldo of perception.
And more saliently: just because people can't
agree on the criteria for aesthetic proficiency --
doesn't mean that some artists aren't better than
others, despite their contradictions.
There's good art and bad art; there are good opinions
and bad ones; good taste, and bad, etc.
Despite Dylan's desultory style, he's very aware
of his place in this history of the Orphic tradition.
He tries very hard to maintain certain aesthetic
standards, e.g., while he syncopates his vocal
phrasings almost randomly for style: he
1> always tries to stay on pitch
2> nearly always never changes the melodic line
of a song (except in rare arrangements)
3> he never changes the tempo of a song once
he starts it
Dylan's major claim as a vocal artist (excluding
lyrics for this particular point) is his stylized
syncopated vocal phrasing (and that nasal tone
for coloration).
For his beginnings, his melodies have stayed
exactly the same (except in rare arrangements);
and his tempos may vary over the years; but
within a song, once he starts it, he never gets
faster or slower (forgot what the musical term
is for varying the tempo within a musical phrase).
Anyway, saying that because there is no absolute
truth, then art has no relative gradations of
quality -- is Plato lobotomized.
>For young girls in the early seventies, Donnie
>was the man, not Bob.
Because they have bad taste; not because there
are no gradations of quality in aesthetics.
Tumulty
<<Tumulty wrote:
You are welcome Mr. Ribs. We can arrange to have that fee taken right
out of your account and placed into mine every month,automatically,
just like magic. Wouldn't that be nice?
Gilly wrote:
<< No, don't do it! Don't put your bank account at the mercy of
someone who sleeps upside down in a chair.>>
That was by no means intentional or comfortable and it didn't change
my overhead either. I'm a seious man, I've got serious costs.
TuMuLTY
Tricia J
wilbury fan) wrote:
>
>As an "aesthetician:" Dylan is better than Donny Osmond.
>
>It has nothing to do with girls.
>
>Get a grip.
It has plenty to do with girls.
Lloyd Fonvielle
No kidding.
"The eternal feminine leads us on."
-- Goethe
BLATCHER2
I think this is impossible. 'bad' and 'taste' used like this are incompatible :
it's their taste so can be neither good nor bad.
What you are judging here is not the music people like, but the people
themselves, which is why such discussions usually descend so rapidly (as here)
into personal abuse.
Russell
kelly huckeby
> Tmon wrote:
> <<.. I just don't get why he critiques music objectively. One
> > thing I've noticed is that Peter tends to dismiss differing opinions
> > about Dylan with an "ah you're wrong" as if Bob's works are "good" or
> > "not good", and most of the time Peter votes "good" because he really
> > likes Dylan.
>
> He isn't blind to BD however. Last summer, I believe, during the
> Italian
> finger pointing incident, we dissagreed sharply. Peter taking the so
> called
> "victims" side. We didn't know at the time that I was infallible, so
> naturally he stuck to his guns and he did not side with BD in the
> least. I did and look what it got me.
>
What did it get you, T.? I adamently disagreed, and all it got me was
a ride with a truck driver from Texarkana who sang Barbra Streisand
tunes the whole trip. It wasn't pretty.
Kelly
"I am going back to New York City, I do believe I've had enough."
Howard Mirowitz
Tumulty <Tum...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No, and I won't as long as you keep sending me those checks at the end of
every month. Like you said, you have serious costs.
H.
Howard Mirowitz
kelly huckeby <downthe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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But it did get you an intro to the rmd cabal, didn't it? :-)
H.
Howard Mirowitz
Glynne Walley <oldbol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LAW2-F135jbhF...@hotmail.com...
<snip>
> Plus, I think it's humorous when Peter does that. He knows as well as the
> rest of us that aesthetic judgements are all subjective, but then who
among
> us doesn't secretly feel on some level that his or her aesthetic judgments
> are not just subjectively but somehow objectively true? That "Love And
> Theft" is a great album not just in my brain, but somehow in a way that's
> true for all listeners whether or not they're smart enough to recognize
it?
> We know in our heads that this is not true, but we feel it that way
anyway.
> So phrasing one's opinions as if they were fact can sometimes be just
> another form of hyperbole, and if it's stated in such a way that a
> discerning reader knows the writer isn't being dogmatic, but merely
> enthusiastic, I think it can be fun, and even funny, in the sense that we
> laugh with pleasure when we recognize something of ourselves in someone
> else.
>
> Anyway, not to try to ascribe my motives to anyone else, but that's how I
> take it when Peter says "ah you're wrong." That, and maybe a gentle dig
at
> someone who has the right to their own opinion but who hasn't put a great
> deal of mental or emotional effort into arriving at said opinion. For the
> record, when Peter says "ah you're wrong," I usually agree with him.
> (Unless he says it to me, in which case he plainly doesn't know what he's
> talking about.)
>
Well said, and I have only to add that when Peter says it to me, he usually
plainly knows exactly what he is talking about, and I appreciate (although
sheepishly) having the correct information.
baaa,
H.
Joe Cliburn
Tricia J wrote:
>
> It has plenty to do with girls.
Thank goodness!
Joe
--
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray."
- Bob Dylan
Maya Allison
Mretramp2
Indeed. The men don't know, but the little girls understand. Still.
David Bachman
mret...@aol.com
WS Krispy
you who may be wondering, RMD Central Command ia a select group of frequent
RMD posters who have taken it upon themselves to steer RMD almost as if it
were a 'ship of state'. They have 12 standardized directives. One of the
most often issued is DILUTE-- which instructs cadres to post message after
message of, uh, humorous banter, trivializing and thus disarming the target
thread.
--
ws krispy
"Tumulty" <Tum...@aol.com> wrote in message
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KReilly
>> Provide some criteria other than social convention. All aesthetics are
>> conventions not neutrally objective evaluations based on some universal
>> criteria. For young girls in the early seventies, Donnie was the man, not
>> Bob.
>
>How many of those young girls still think he's "the man"? How many have
>moved on to Bob? If they could speak for themselves here .......
And how might this be relevant? Tastes change. I used to drink my coffee with
two sugars, now I drink it black. I switched because I realized that I was
consuming a good twenty teaspoons of sugar every day. Initially the black
coffee was atrocious to my sugar conditioned palate. Eventually I grew to
prefer the taste of black coffee. Now I find even a pinch of sugar revolting.
Now tell me, how is my preference for black coffee some kind of commentary on
the value of coffee with two sugars? It isn't, tastes change.