Ryan Adams On Self Portrait
mark
The writer has this to say about the parallels(as he sees them!) between
Ryan & Bob:
"...The hyperactivity, the volcanic edginess about him are reminiscent of
the scenes...in Don't Look Back....Dylan of course was soon burned
out..making Self Portrait. Does Adams fear a similar fate?"
RA:" I fuckin' hope so because Self Portrait is a great album.What was that
review in Rolling Stone? I hope the fucker who wrote that spins in his
grave. He missed the point. Dylan called it Self Portrait on purpose because
he felt he didn't know any more. He'd already exhumed American
culture.Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
standing up and fighting.."
Btw there's also a nice tribute to George Harrison in the same issue.
Olompali4
>review in Rolling Stone? I hope the fucker who wrote that spins in his
>grave. He missed the point. Dylan called it Self Portrait on purpose because
>he felt he didn't know any more. He'd already exhumed American
>culture.Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
>standing up and fighting.."<
Damn! That is one smart motherf**ker.
O'B
<a...@chester19.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> "Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
> standing up and fighting.."
There's a lot to be said for that statement.
"No fear" is stupidity. To be afraid, terrified even, but to do it
anyway is true courage.
John
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Ricky Cobb
Well, shit, score one for Ryan Adams.
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"So I turned myself to face me
But I've never caught a glimpse
Of how the others must see the faker
I'm much too fast to take that test"
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>In article <a1fnon$lpl$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, mark
><a...@chester19.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
>> standing up and fighting.."
>
>
>There's a lot to be said for that statement.
>
>"No fear" is stupidity. To be afraid, terrified even, but to do it
>anyway is true courage.
courage: the willingness to go forward, fear and all.
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> Whos's Ryan Adams?????????
Sean Tanner
released usomething noone would like.
I still like it and play it quite a bit.
Im sure Im not the sole member of the Self Portrait Appreciation Society.
Sean in Oz
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Steve Oldham
<sta...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>Im sure Im not the sole member of the Self Portrait Appreciation Society.
I'm the Sargeant-At-Arms.
Steve
Epic1934
I love Ryan Adams, and Dylan, and I suppose in one twisted sense it did take
"courage" to release--in that sense that it was crap and he still released it.
But that's not courage. It's writer's block and releasing "product" as part of
contract and to make money.
Tricia J
a certain mood perfectly.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:26:26 +0800, "Sean Tanner"
<sta...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Olompali4
>a certain mood perfectly.<
It is a perfect "morning after" lp...and I think that is the point.
S1994s
>From: epic...@aol.com (Epic1934)
>Date: 1/9/2002 8:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20020109203923...@mb-fr.aol.com>
>
>
>
Silvio
> No Sean, you're not alone. I've always loved it and still do. It fits
> a certain mood perfectly.
>
>
Can you kindly explain to me which kind of 'mood'?
That album just make me laughin' out loud anytime I try to listen to it...
peace
martin blank
Olompali4 wrote:
the morning after the 60s when a creeping mediocrity that still hasn't
abated crept in
vic
Tricia J
don't you like a laugh now and then?
Silvio
>
> don't you like a laugh now and then?
:o) - sure... I thought you were talkin' about some kind of secret
mood hidden inside of Sel portrait that i didn't ever noticed... but
I'll keep laughing when I listen to it, then...
Peace
John Howells
I suppose an appropriate mood would be one of bewilderment. When I'm in
the mood to listen to bad country music, I may be tempted to listen to
a little bit of Self Portrait.
--
John Howells
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Epic1934
cover tunes on the basement tapes should be ashamed of themselves.
ratbaggy
I'll take SELF PORTRAIT over the come back NEW MORNING any day. I love
the record. Never understood the hatred of this record. Just Bob being
Bob.
Steve
> >
PETERTHEGREAT67
might have gotten away with it.........make that 15 minutes.
Peter Stone Brown
"Epic1934" <epic...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone who likes "Self Portrait" but has not gone out of their way to hear
the
> cover tunes on the basement tapes should be ashamed of themselves.
Truer words were never spoken.
--
"The game is the same, it's just up on another level." --Bob Dylan
Peter Stone Brown
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Tricia J
<ps...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>"Epic1934" <epic...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20020111135351...@mb-fr.aol.com...
>> Anyone who likes "Self Portrait" but has not gone out of their way to hear
>the
>> cover tunes on the basement tapes should be ashamed of themselves.
>
>
>Truer words were never spoken.
Conversely, anyone who professes to love the Basement covers, but
disavows Self Portrait as 100% proof crap should take a long hard
think about it.
John Howells
The difference between the Basement Tapes and Self Portrait is
like the difference between night and day. They are not even in
the same ballpark.
Epic1934
Basement covers (even, or especially, the apparent first takes), hardly at all
in Self Portrait, which was "product". You can see just one of dozens of
examples in something like the Basement "Waltzing with Sin," where he starts it
off in a lazy sort of way, then re-starts and does a better version, then stops
again and does a KILLER version. With Self-Portrait he would have finished
the first take and not looked back....
Tricia J
wrote:
>tric...@aardvark.net.au (Tricia J) writes:
><Conversely, anyone who professes to love the Basement covers, but
><disavows Self Portrait as 100% proof crap should take a long hard
><think about it.
>
>The difference between the Basement Tapes and Self Portrait is
>like the difference between night and day. They are not even in
>the same ballpark.
I didn't say they were the same, just that it is possible to
appreciate both for what they are. For what they are. For what they
are. I _do_ think some people are just totally irrational when it
comes to Self Portrait.
I will never mention it on here again! (uh - oh!)
Lloyd Fonvielle
There are people who don't like "Under the Red Sky". What can you do,
Tricia?
Tricia J
<navi...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>Tricia J wrote:
>
>There are people who don't like "Under the Red Sky". What can you do,
>Tricia?
I don't know, Lloyd. I'm just totally irrational about almost
everything.
Jerry Tenenbaum
it, the dieversity would disappear. Too bad the radio stations don't use
"irrational" for their playlist instead of "rational=$$
KReilly
>the
>cover tunes on the basement tapes should be ashamed of themselves.
I love Self-Portrait.
Lloyd Fonvielle
Me, too -- but I love making up rational explanations for my madness.
musicaner
> From Feb 2002 issue of Uncut magazine.
> The writer has this to say about the parallels(as he sees them!) between
> Ryan & Bob:
> "...The hyperactivity, the volcanic edginess about him are reminiscent of
> the scenes...in Don't Look Back....Dylan of course was soon burned
> out..making Self Portrait. Does Adams fear a similar fate?"
>
> RA:" I fuckin' hope so because Self Portrait is a great album.What was that
> review in Rolling Stone? I hope the fucker who wrote that spins in his
> grave. He missed the point. Dylan called it Self Portrait on purpose because
> he felt he didn't know any more. He'd already exhumed American
> culture.Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
> standing up and fighting.."
>
now, ryan adams is someone out to win my heart. self portrait is a
great record. has anyone since has ever come close to doing something
similar to copper kettle?
as to the spinning rock critic, i assume hes still spinning all over
the place. givin a spin is his line of work.
ciao
musicaner
i never knew of anybody ever to have such moods. im listein to self
portrait now since i was in the mood to listen to some good music.
musicaner
well let me take over. one can like just about anything. i like dick
rosmini records.
as for self portrait, the fact that the basement tapes exist dont make
it any less greater. i love the chet atkins nashville sound type
production. and i love the boxer, and i really love the isle of wight
cuts, that languid, easy going sound. love it.
Tricia J
wrote:
>well let me take over. one can like just about anything. i like dick
>rosmini records.
>as for self portrait, the fact that the basement tapes exist dont make
>it any less greater. i love the chet atkins nashville sound type
>production. and i love the boxer, and i really love the isle of wight
>cuts, that languid, easy going sound. love it.
Thanks so much... you said it.. "the fact that the basement tapes
exist don't make [Self Portrait] any less greater"... I love all those
ones you mention, plus I really, really love Days of 49 and all the
country songs. Maybe I'm just so dumb I really like "bad country
music". I'm with Ryan Adams, in fact maybe I'll even take a listen to
his records now that I know he has such good taste... I'll bet Nick
Cave loves Self Portrait too...
by the way, John H, any Sunday morning coming down is a good time for
Self Portrait, or any really sunny day when you've got nothin to do
but hang around, maybe fix a screen door or something. I often
wondered if you have to have actually lived out of the city to
appreciate Self Portrait and New Morning, but now I'm just thinking
aloud so I'll stop. Time passes slowly, up here in the mountains.
(I take it back about never mentioning Self Portrait again. Say it
loud and say it proud!)
musicaner
> On 13 Jan 2002 16:12:07 -0800, musi...@hotmail.com (musicaner)
> wrote:
> >well let me take over. one can like just about anything. i like dick
> >rosmini records.
> >as for self portrait, the fact that the basement tapes exist dont make
> >it any less greater. i love the chet atkins nashville sound type
> >production. and i love the boxer, and i really love the isle of wight
> >cuts, that languid, easy going sound. love it.
>
> Thanks so much... you said it.. "the fact that the basement tapes
> exist don't make [Self Portrait] any less greater"... I love all those
> ones you mention, plus I really, really love Days of 49 and all the
> country songs. Maybe I'm just so dumb I really like "bad country
> music". I'm with Ryan Adams, in fact maybe I'll even take a listen to
> his records now that I know he has such good taste... I'll bet Nick
> Cave loves Self Portrait too...
>
i love days of 49, love that song period. love the way spider john
koerner does it too. and copper kettle is super. all of it is good.
even all the tired horses is nice.
i caint even understand the 'bad country music' statement. i figure
the person who made it aint all that familiar with country music; aint
familiar with don gibson or floyd tillman, to make such a statement.
Michael G Smith
> I'll bet Nick Cave loves Self Portrait too...
He does. I can't remember the source but I read an interview where
Nick said that he thought Murder Ballads would be his Self-Portrait
(i.e. - an album of mostly covers that he did for himself that he
didn't expect other people to like). He said he was quite surprised
when it became his most successful album.
The interviewer then points out that Self-Portrait is a good album and
Nick agrees, saying, "Oh, it's a great album" and adds that All the
Tired Horses is one of his favorite Dylan tracks.
By the way, is that photo of Bob and Nick from Glastonbury '98 online
anywhere? I've still never seen it.
Michael
sanquentin
expecially things like Living The Blues, Let It Be Me, and the Isle Of
Wight tracks, even if he messes up the lyrics to Like A Rolling Stone.
He is human after all, and he probably hadn't even played or thought
of that song for the 3 years or so since the accident. He's an artist,
he should be able to do whatever he wants to do.
sanQ
"mark" <a...@chester19.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<a1fnon$lpl$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> From Feb 2002 issue of Uncut magazine.
> The writer has this to say about the parallels(as he sees them!) between
> Ryan & Bob:
> "...The hyperactivity, the volcanic edginess about him are reminiscent of
> the scenes...in Don't Look Back....Dylan of course was soon burned
> out..making Self Portrait. Does Adams fear a similar fate?"
>
> RA:" I fuckin' hope so because Self Portrait is a great album.What was that
> review in Rolling Stone? I hope the fucker who wrote that spins in his
> grave. He missed the point. Dylan called it Self Portrait on purpose because
> he felt he didn't know any more. He'd already exhumed American
> culture.Heroes aren't heroic because they win battles.They're heroic for
> standing up and fighting.."
>
R Murray
judgement was (i imagine) surprisin.There`s good songs..Living the
blues,Take me as I am,Early Morning Rin,The Mighty Quinn & of course
Wigwam. R ;lprait
martin blank
sanquentin wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with or about Self Portrait...I love that album
> expecially things like Living The Blues, Let It Be Me, and the Isle Of
> Wight tracks, even if he messes up the lyrics to Like A Rolling Stone.
> He is human after all, and he probably hadn't even played or thought
> of that song for the 3 years or so since the accident. He's an artist,
> he should be able to do whatever he wants to do.
>
> sanQ
>
and we should reserve the right to critique and not purchase when it plain does not measure up as in
the case of all of his post 66 work
vic
ToHellYouRide
fold it till it's all corners and shove it in your bottom
martin blank
ToHellYouRide wrote:
> here's an idea:
> fold it till it's all corners and shove it in your bottom
>
this is not original as rolling stone suggested something similar be done with a david peel album back
in the day. get a new writer. your material is aging quickly.
vic
Stephen Pickett
1966.....but there are certainly other albums that are worth buying. Better
than 99% of the other crap out there. It'd be nice to hear you say something
about Bob that you DO like though sometimes......
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R M
a little humility.
R Murray
humble_T Bone Burnett, "Trap Door".less elitism & more common
decency ,that might help.r