Abandoned Love
St. Annie
perfomance of this at, I think, The Bitter End that they're willing
to
share? Thanks much, in advance, Annie
Martin
> Sorry, can't help. I have heard it though, and honestly it's pretty
> bad. Just warning you
Annie, it's wonderful - I prefer it to the studio one. His singing is
wonderfully evocative. For some reason I can't find it, but if I do
I'll email it to ya
St. Annie
> and she says, "that's really bad. It sounds like one of those
> amateurs who get up on open mic night." I have heard other recordings
> that are much better, that even have better verses like the one about
> John the Evangelist.
Yeah, I'd heard it long ago too -- just wanted to hear it again.
And now I can! A friend just YouTubed me (is that a verb? well, now
it is) with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsbBIA4NRkc
Raggy sound but as the old phrase goes I wouldn't kick him outta bed.
I'd love to hear one of the other recordings you mention -- & thanks a
lot for writing.
Happy weekend to you!
Martin
> I have heard other recordings
> that are much better, that even have better verses like the one about
> John the Evangelist
The Bitter End does have that verse
Babs
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=03062RUX
Annie, my not always accurate labeling for this version of Abandoned
Love is The Other End 7/3/75.
really real
> Does it? Then I'm thinking of a different verse. Anyhoo, a
> distinctly poor (I'm being charitable) performance on just about every
> level except for remembering all those lyrics. If you see it
> otherwise, then soldier on good fella.
I think the Bitter End Abandoned Love is phenomenal. The way he gets the
laughter out of the audience, the insensitivity of the performance, it's
one of the all time greatest Dylan field recordings.
Peter Stone Brown
"really real" <reall...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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I'm not sure what you mean by insensitivity, but otherwise I agree with you.
This is one of the great live performances and perhaps the interaction with
the audience is the only post '60s performance to get that kind of response,
reminiscent of both the debut of "Desolation Row" at Forest Hills and the
Philharmoic Hall show. And it is way better in every way than the studio
version from the Desire sessions that appeared on Biograph.
Babs
> "really real" <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
And speaking strictly subjectively, I love this so much it hurts.
really real
>
> And speaking strictly subjectively, I love this so much it hurts.
And I meant sensitivity, not insensitivity
Babs
> > And speaking strictly subjectively, I love this so much it hurts.
>
> And I meant sensitivity, not insensitivity
So I don't have to recommend Q-Tips after all. I was working on a
sensitive approach to the subject. ;-)
J Buck
working on a sensitive approach to the subject. ;-)>
Q-Tips...invented by Louis Gerstenberg when he saw his wife wrap a piece
of cotton wadding around a toothpick...which begs the question...why
didn't he call them G-Tips? Too close to G-Spot?
Babs
Q stands for quality. Would you really want a tooth pick with cotton
around it to be named after you? A mountain, maybe. A city, maybe. But
a toothpick? ;-)
really real
> This is one of the great live performances and perhaps the interaction with
> the audience is the only post '60s performance to get that kind of response,
> reminiscent of both the debut of "Desolation Row" at Forest Hills and the
> Philharmonic Hall show. And it is way better in every way than the studio
> version from the Desire sessions that appeared on Biograph.
When I saw Dylan and the Band in '66 in Vancouver, I remember the
audience laughing at the line from Fourth Time Around about spitting out
your gum. At least the audience in the front laughed. I was at the back
and didn't get it.
P Callas
For great live one-off performances, my very short list of all time
favorites is Abandoned Love, Caribbean Wind, and A Satisfied Mind (I
think only done 9 Nov 1999?).
streetelevison
> On Feb 9, 4:51 pm, Treadleson <treadl...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 8:35 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > Does it? Then I'm thinking of a different verse. Anyhoo, a
> > > > distinctly poor (I'm being charitable) performance on just about every
> > > > level except for remembering all those lyrics. If you see it
> > > > otherwise, then soldier on good fella.
> > > I think the Bitter End Abandoned Love is phenomenal. The way he gets the
> > > laughter out of the audience, the insensitivity of the performance, it's
> > > one of the all time greatest Dylan field recordings.
>
> > (approx) "I love you but you're strange." Not a great line and one
> > has to wonder whether they are laughing with him or at him. Assuming
> > that they're laughing with him, why not? It's an unexpected thing to
> > say about someone you love and will get a chuckle. It's probably also
> > the most accessible line in the song for the audience so they were
> > probably laughing out of relief that they finally understood
> > something. C minus.
>
> Ah yes, I omitted to mention the totally lame guitar intro. This is
> the musical equivalent of that chippy sandwich people are talking
> about. And listening to it again which I've done because there is
> SUCH an ultra favorable consensus about it and I'm thinking maybe my
> memory fucks with me, I am reminded that the other audience reaction
> he gets is from his line about getting it on with the chick before he
> splits. Very funny. Ha ha. Skeet skeet. At least the 'spit out your
> gum' mentioned above really IS funny.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
A lot of the audience reaction was hearing a brand new dylan song for
the first time and each verse sounded better than the last.
really real
>
> My recollection is that the laughter comes from the line that goes
> (approx) "I love you but you're strange." Not a great line and one
> has to wonder whether they are laughing with him or at him. Assuming
> that they're laughing with him, why not? It's an unexpected thing to
> say about someone you love and will get a chuckle. It's probably also
> the most accessible line in the song for the audience so they were
> probably laughing out of relief that they finally understood
> something. C minus.
Treadleson, you'd better quit while you're behind. You're just digging
yourself deeper and deeper
really real
> Nice try. I'd be very surprised if you had anything to really say
> about this performance besides personal digs at someone who doesn't
> concur with you 100 percent about it. Actually, I have heard a lot of
> ooohhhing and aahhhing about this song, but nothing really of
> substance. Most of the hosannas have to do with audience laughter,
> for the love of Peter. I think you said the performance was
> sensitive, which can mean a zillion things, i.e., nothing. Since
> you're really just being unpleasant and provocative and say nothing of
> substance about this performance, you don't even pass. D.
It's like trying to tell a stranger about rock'n'roll
daysof48
Strangers don't know about rock'n'roll?
What sort of strangers don't you know?
Jumbo
>
>
> My recollection is that the laughter comes from the line that goes
> (approx) "I love you but you're strange." Not a great line and one
> has to wonder whether they are laughing with him or at him. Assuming
> that they're laughing with him, why not? It's an unexpected thing to
> say about someone you love and will get a chuckle. It's probably also
> the most accessible line in the song for the audience so they were
> probably laughing out of relief that they finally understood
> something.
I like this performance, but it's the intangibles that make it - the
timing of the guitar strums and the punctuation of those by singing,
the (off and on) sweetness of the vocal (admittedly sometimes lapsing
into self-parody, as often happens in RT performances) ... I know how
awful this kind of analysis sounds, so I'll stop. But I think your
reading of the laughter is demonstrably false. The majority of the
lines in the song are by no means obscure. Are you seriously
suggesting that the audience didn't understand "let me in your room
one more time before I disappear'? Obviously they do because they
laugh and cheer there as well.
I used to think this song was one of Dylan's best. These days I find
it a tad self-conscious and pretentious - but still melodically
beautiful. The idea of grading a song A, B or C is, however, silly.
beppe
"Peter Stone Brown" <ps...@verizon.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I'm not sure what you mean by insensitivity, but otherwise I agree with
> you. This is one of the great live performances and perhaps the
> interaction with the audience is the only post '60s performance to get
> that kind of response, reminiscent of both the debut of "Desolation Row"
> at Forest Hills and the Philharmoic Hall show. And it is way better in
> every way than the studio version from the Desire sessions that appeared
> on Biograph.
As far as the *interaction* is concerned, you'll sure be right.
But is the version *way better than the studio version*?
Not for me, at least.
:-)
--
'till next time
take care
Beppe
www.giuseppegazerro.com
www.myspace.com/gazerro
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gazerro
really real
> ... I'm saying that I find the performance awful and the
> studio version miles ahead of it. Apart from you, I realize that I am
> swimming against the tide here. What surprises me is that something
> which is so glaringly lame to me find such admiration by so many
> people here (your post excepted). I do appreciate your defense of it
> at least which is far more than the others who adopted their haughty
> ex-cathedra final word about it.
What you don't seem to understand, Treadleson, is that for most of us
Dylan fans, the Bitter End Abandoned Love is an absolutely wonderful
performance. To most people, when I play it for them, they are dazzled
by it. So it really doesn't make sense for a naysayer to go on and on
about how he doesn't hear what we all hear.
If I had to choose between one of the Dylan versions not existing, I'd
keep the Bitter End one because the Everly Brothers do a good enough
version of the officially unreleased one.
St. Annie
Aw, y'all, I'm just yummy-glad that I've got both versions now. Thank
you, Babs, and thanks so much to everyone else who offered copies.
It's a super song. Many lines slay me, but particularly permanent in
my head is
I march in the parade of liberty
But as long as I love you I'm not free
Jumbo
> the Everly Brothers do a good enough
> version of the officially unreleased one.
Ack!
really real
>> the Everly Brothers do a good enough
>> version of the officially unreleased one.
>
> Ack!
One thing I do not understand is how some people do not love the Everly
Brothers. From their first hit song to their revival with Wings of a
Nightingale and Abandoned Love, the Everly Brother's harmonies are
something so wonderful, even Treadleson couldn't try to dump on them.
Yet, I do run into some people who are not moved by the Everlys.
It seems to me, if you don't love the Everly Brothers, then you don't
really love rock 'n' roll.
Jumbo
Yadda yadda. From now on I'm gonna call you Mr. Assumption. Where did
I say I didn't like the Everly Brothers? Which part of "ack" means
that? I love the Everly Brothers - harmonies to die for. If you think
I'm lying, check out treadleson's recent thread where he posted an
everly's youtube spot - I was the only person to say thanks. My
friends call me Jum-Everly-Bo. "Ack" refers to their maudlin, dead-
hamster version of abandoned love. The harmonies on it are still
great, of course, and that makes it worth hearing, but the arrangement
and the musical breaks are disgusting.
really real
> Yadda yadda. From now on I'm gonna call you Mr. Assumption. Where did
> I say I didn't like the Everly Brothers? Which part of "ack" means
> that? I love the Everly Brothers - harmonies to die for. If you think
> I'm lying, check out treadleson's recent thread where he posted an
> everly's youtube spot - I was the only person to say thanks. My
> friends call me Jum-Everly-Bo. "Ack" refers to their maudlin, dead-
> hamster version of abandoned love. The harmonies on it are still
> great, of course, and that makes it worth hearing, but the arrangement
> and the musical breaks are disgusting.
Well, admittedly this is a fat-period Everly Brothers song, but I never
noticed that their version of Abandoned Love was disgusting. Forgive me
for assuming that someone who is disgusted by this song would not be an
Everly Brothers fan. It's just that lately I've been running into people
who don't like the Everly Brothers, and I'm wondering if it isn't some
kind of alien invasion where the aliens forgot to program that aspect of
humanity into these impostors.
really real
> .....
>
> I love the Everly Brothers. The Beatles were what they were cuz of
> them. Beach Boys too to some degree.
Amazing that you should think so. I do too. I tried to sell this theory
in rmb that the Beatles harmonies were what made their music so special
and that these harmonies were Everly influenced.
My mother used to tell me, when I played those first Everly albums, that
they sounded like cats. She said this as if it were a bad thing.
really real
> You make a lot of stupid assertions about "rules,"
Do you really think we need dozens of posts about how you think someone
else's musical tastes are limited?
J Buck
really love rock 'n' roll.>
LoL "It seems to me, if you don't like {fill in the blank with any of
hundreds of performers/duos/bands/groups}, then you don't really love
rock 'n roll."
Weren't the Ames Brothers available? Or the Andrews Sisters?
really real
>
> Weren't the Ames Brothers available? Or the Andrews Sisters?
I like the Andrew Sisters a hell of a lot more than I like the Ames
Brothers.
I do think, though, that when the current generation gets tired of
neo-Bacharach, they might want to mine the riches of barbershop quartets.
St. Annie
Ed Ames as Mingo on "Daniel Boone" -- the BEST, period.
Though I admit I wish I could wear a suit with zoot-suit shoulders, a
nipped-in waist, and a straight A-line skirt the way ANY of the
Andrews Sisters did.
J Buck
period.>
Well, Ed Ames *did* play Mingo (you must be close to 50 y/o) but he
wasn't one of the Ames Brothers.
khematite
really real
>> Well, Ed Ames *did* play Mingo (you must be close to 50 y/o) but he
>> wasn't one of the Ames Brothers.
>
>
> Actually, he was.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0024695/bio
I'm wondering if I weren't too flippant about the Ames Brothers when J
Buck first insulted them. Their song Rag Mop had a bit of rock n roll to
it. And the Naughty Lady of Shady Lane had a nice dark touch to it.
St. Annie
Oooooh! yer so ageist! My DAD loved "Daniel Boone" and also thought
it was really cool that, after he retired from the biz, Fess Parker
started making wine. And my Grandma had all the Ames Brothers
religious albums (though thank heavens didn't play 'em too much). I'm
Jack Benny's age, 39. The mention of Jack Benny mighta made you guess
that I am closer to 70. Nope. 39. I just know a lot about 20th-
century American pop culture ... probably too much, and should have
more "important" stuff in my brain.
But if you ever have the chance check out a "Daniel Boone" rerun.
Gorgeous stuff!
really real
>
> Oooooh! yer so ageist! My DAD loved "Daniel Boone" and also thought
> it was really cool that, after he retired from the biz, Fess Parker
> started making wine. And my Grandma had all the Ames Brothers
> religious albums (though thank heavens didn't play 'em too much). I'm
> Jack Benny's age, 39. The mention of Jack Benny mighta made you guess
> that I am closer to 70. Nope. 39. I just know a lot about 20th-
> century American pop culture ... probably too much, and should have
> more "important" stuff in my brain.
> But if you ever have the chance check out a "Daniel Boone" rerun.
> Gorgeous stuff!
I wouldn't go around telling J Buck that you're only 39. Buck likes them
young and beatable
Pilgrim
I'm only a few years older than you - the Daniel Boone show ran
through the mid '60's to '70. That was one of my favorite shows.
Boone and Mingo were my childhood heroes...
St. Annie
And who was the really hot actress with the long hair who played Mrs.
Boone? I forget her name on the show... dang. Wait! Jemima! Jemima
Boone...or was that his daughter? Was there a daughter? I remember
this little blond kid who was the son...
Thanks dear rr for your good thoughts, but 39 is soooooo much too old
to still be beatable! Ha.
As this thread has veered beautifully off topic, just slightly, can I
ask y'all if any of you think the lyrics of Abandoned Love sound like
Neal Cassady, or at least Sal Paradise reporting the words of Dean
Moriarty, wrote 'em? They've got that hot, rappy quality and rat-a-
tat beat to them, at least to me.
J Buck
but he wasn't one of the Ames Brothers.>
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0024695/bio
You're right. Sorry about that.
J Buck
Ames Brothers when J Buck first insulted them.>
How'd I insult them? Jesus, If you have to stretch, at least realize
that it was more of a poke at the Everly Brothers. But then again, I
don't ever expect you to see things the correct way. You've proven that
countless times.
J Buck
39. Buck likes them young and beatable>
You really ARE a fucking asshole, aren't you, Don?
J Buck
also thought it was really cool that, after he retired from the biz,
Fess Parker started making wine. And my Grandma had all the Ames
Brothers religious albums (though thank heavens didn't play 'em too
much). I'm Jack Benny's age, 39. The mention of Jack Benny mighta made
you guess that I am closer to 70. Nope. 39. I just know a lot about
20th- century American pop culture ... probably too much, and should
have more "important" stuff in my brain. But if you ever have the chance
check out a "Daniel Boone" rerun. Gorgeous stuff!>
Are reruns still kicking around on cable? I lved the show as a kid, too.
J Buck
39. Buck likes them young and beatable>
repaste for weeks and weeks in the future. [eyeroll]>
Already taken care of.
really real
> really real wrote: <I wouldn't go around telling J Buck that you're only
> 39. Buck likes them young and beatable>
>
Buck, I apologize for upsetting you so much with this joke. I had no
idea you would take it seriously.
It all started when you first brought up the issue of wife beating. I
didn't realize that, in continuing the joke, that you would be so
sensitive about it.
J Buck
Well, just for the record, here's how it played out.
really real wrote: <I don't target the US all the time as a scapegoat.>
J Buck wrote: <Hmm...reminds me of the guy who says "I don't beat my
wife all the time.">
And from THIS you inferred *I* like to beat women?
You're the most despicable piece of shit I've ever encountered on
newsgroups, and believe me, the bar is pretty fucking high. If you
think apologizing gets you off the hook...think again. GFY.
really real
>
> really real wrote: <I don't target the US all the time as a scapegoat.>
>
> J Buck wrote: <Hmm...reminds me of the guy who says "I don't beat my
> wife all the time.">
>
> And from THIS you inferred *I* like to beat women?
>
> You're the most despicable piece of shit I've ever encountered on
> newsgroups, and believe me, the bar is pretty fucking high. If you
> think apologizing gets you off the hook...think again. GFY.
Buck, I am not despicable at all. I just made a joke about wife beating,
after you made a joke about my political beliefs.
You are being way too sensitive about all this. Just calm yourself right
down please.
Zhon...@gmail.com
and went back to doing his solo hits as a singer. He was first known
as The Boston Baritone of the Ames brothers in the late 50's. He went
onto other TV shows too, but mostly private/nonprivate stages and
theatres, and mostly Broadway shows.
St. Annie
And also the occasional guest appearance on Carson. Here he is during
"Mingo" days in a celebrated clip.
(and yep, you can find whole episodes of "Daniel Boone" on
YouTube....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0DV2vPNEQ
The Hysterical Bride
He later went on to become a Moyl.