Field Recordings Guide update in progress
Bill
the next day or so, some users may notice a lack of functionality in
some graphics elements. In other words, it was easier to delete the
entire graphics folder and upload an entire replacement folder than to
pick out the 33% that needed replacement, one by one. When all the
replacement files are in place, you should see an improvement in
download speed, as well as better display of some of the more
attractive or interesting covers. Also entries for more than 300
additional discs.
Bill
user00
I realise shit like this must be galling but there are a whole load of
people out there who value what you do and find your site an invaluable
resource. Don't let the bastards grind you down ;-)
Peter D
"ramblin man" <m...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Who cares? Your pages are shite.
>
>
> "Bill" <monic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b431cfee.0207...@posting.google.com...
MittensOnFire
guy's just a pecker.
Tim M.
>Subject: Re: Field Recordings Guide update in progress
>From: "user00" use...@blueyonder.co.uk
>Date: 7/25/2002 1:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <p%W%8.1321$3m6.16...@news-text.cableinet.net>
Tom Favata
--
Tom
http://home.att.net/~tbuick6/Toms.html
"To live outside the law you must be honest"
"MittensOnFire" <mitten...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Delia
--
Delia
"user00" <use...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bill,
>
> I realise shit like this must be galling but there are a whole load of
> people out there who value what you do and find your site an invaluable
> resource. Don't let the bastards grind you down ;-)
>
> Peter D
>
Wolfds
>Who cares? Your pages are shite
You must be confusing Bill's Field recordings guide with your rmd messages (of
which the above quote is illustrative).
MittensOnFire
BabyBlue
Seriously, Bill, you do a super great service to many people, me
included. Honestly, my life would be much, much more difficult (and
thoroughly less enjoyable) without you and the work you have done and
continue to do on your site. Three cheers!!
monic...@yahoo.com (Bill) wrote in message news:<b431cfee.0207...@posting.google.com>...
Terry Pivinsky
performance of Carey on the Joni Mitchell Tribute Concert
..don't know if it's on cd or vid...but it was broadcast on
TNT/TNN....info on her site I believe...tp
BabyBlue
trying to get a rise out of people. But just in case he's serious...
We're all friends through Bob, right? Thus, I should be nice; but
"bumblin man" seems just so patently confused, and mean-spirited for
no reason. The facts are that (1) that Bill's frames set-up is
excellent!! and (2) that Bill's guide is SO MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE
than bobsboots. I love bobsboots, and am there all the time, but
there're tons of releases about which bobsboots has nothing to say and
that Bill's guide lists and describes.
Bumblin man, why write something only for the purpose of flaming?
"ramblin man" <m...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<kX909.9514$z22....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> It is awful. Bad layout. Terrible writing. Pointless.
>
> www.bobsboots.com
>
> `Nuff said.
>
>
> "user00" <use...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:p%W%8.1321$3m6.16...@news-text.cableinet.net...
John Howells
<I'm almost convinced that Ramblin (bumblin?) man is just joking or
<trying to get a rise out of people. But just in case he's serious...
The word is "troll".
--
John Howells
how...@punkhart.com
http://www.punkhart.com
Wolfds
I don't think so, John. The way ramlin' man shilled for bobsboots makes me
think that s/he has a vested interest in that site and is jealous that Bill has
a better, more respected page.
Bob Stacy
> >
> Howells has always been a grumpy bear.
Now that's a statement we can jump behind. But grumpy bears get pretty
crafty out in the wild and ain't half bad in a circus scene like rmd.
Especially when they know the music and aren't timid to grumble out their
opinions about it.
Don't reckon Mr Bill is one of the grumpies, but we kinda enjoy that Field
Recordings place, too.
(Trolls always run the risk of getting dumped 69,000 ft over a barbed-wire
cliff ...)
-Bob Stacy
Sta...@aol.com
>(Trolls always run the risk of getting dumped 69,000 ft over a barbed-wire
>cliff ...)
>
I dumped that one a year ago.
the Wheelers
Just want to say that not everyone out there is a dick. I find myself
using your site more than any other. Thanks for all of your efforts.
Jeff
B.A.
following all of Bill's jealous attempts to discredit Bobsboots, which
are posted publicly here and on dylantree for everyone to see. i used
to use bills site,i dont respect bills site anymore and i dont use it
on principal because i cant respect bill. its very disrespectful of
you to suggest that after all the hard work thats gone into the
excellent site of www.bobsboots.com. seems like you are trying to
discredit bobsboots as well, by implying that Mr. Ramblin' Man and
presumably other people who donate information and scans to bobsboots
are profesional bootleggers who give discs high ratings in order to
increase demand for them. Oh, how original. I havent heard that one
before. Bill himself has said the very same thing on dylantree. youre
not him under a different name are you? The way you 'shill' for
monicasdude make me think you might have a vested interest in that
site. Maybe it's just a big catalog of cheap made at home cdR copies
that Bill sells for $25 a time. he tries to discredit every commercial
cd release while singing the praised of every fan cdR, so maybe he has
his own little home cdR operation going on. ive certainly never seen
him offer a trade or a freebie, or met anyone hes ever traded with.
Where is he getting there cdRs from to review i wonder?
you might think this is rediculous, but its no more than what these
anti-bobsboots, anti-glass mastered cd, propaganda artists post about
bobsboots.com and its supporters and if you want examples go to
www.groups.google.com and search for -bill bobsboots- and then go to
www.dylantree.com - general message board and search for -bill
bobsboots- again. its there for everyone to see.
This crap you have posted, Wolf-person shows you to be an childish
idiot. Get lost.
love, B.A.
B.A.
believe in mob rule and that bigger is better. for the record, i
agree. thats my opinion and its my right to express it. if someone
doesnt like it, tough. maybe those people shouldnt participate in
public newsgroups. im a collector of cds firstly and a trader of cdR
secondly. bobsboots is NOT a 'field recording guide' its a commercial
cd/cd-r guide. so doesnt list fan-produced cdR. its not on the agenda.
is that so difficult for people to grasp? if folks want to give a made
at home cdR a name and a catalog number and make fancy covers for it
and pretend its a proper cd then go ahead, bills site caters for
people like that with the kinds of things it lists. i dont care about
that stuff and i think that trying to document a home made cdR as if
it were a release is plain stupid. for every home made cdR listed on
bills site, theres an infinate number of cdrs with variant track
listings, artwork, titles, recordings and compilations which aren't
listed. there's no way of telling. so in reality bills site can only
every list maybe less that 1% of whats out there. where bobsboots
lists only comercial releases, it covers about 85% of cds in detail
and lists 98% of commercial cdRs. bills field recordings guide is also
strangely limited to cd and cdR. why no listing of DAT and cassette
tapes 'field recordings'? bills site lists 0% of these. Bobsboots
doesn't cover them because its not a 'field recordings' guide, its a
commercial cd/cdR guide, so its not on the agenda of the site.
Bobsboots covers about 98% of vinyl releases. bills site has none. 0%
of vinyl 'field recordings' are on bills site. So who really has the
more comprehensive site?
all these people running down bobsboots are jeaolous and it shows how
low they have to sink to spread malicious lies about people being
comercial bootleggers in order to discredit the site, it shows what a
fantastic site bobsboots really is that they have to spend their time
thinking up this nonsense in order to give their own websites some
sort of recognition. Jesus Christ was persecuted in the same way.
"ramblin man" <m...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<ZHi09.13044$z22....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> I stand by my opinion. A Pointless Site.
>
> Howells has always been a grumpy bear.
>
> "Terry Pivinsky" <Tur...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:9229-3D...@storefull-2355.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Wolfds
>I don't think it's better or more respected at all, especially
>following all of Bill's jealous attempts to discredit Bobsboots, which
>are posted publicly here and on dylantree
All I've ever seen from Bill are responses to attacks on his site. I've never
seen him try to discredit bobsboots in a vacuum; I have seen him respond to
vicious libels that used bobsboots as a point of reference. Of course, Bill
then must do the same.
for everyone to see. i used
>to use bills site,i dont respect bills site anymore and i dont use it
>on principal because i cant respect bill. its very disrespectful of
>you to suggest that after all the hard work thats gone into the
>excellent site of www.bobsboots.com. seems like you are trying to
>discredit bobsboots as well, by implying that Mr. Ramblin' Man and
>presumably other people who donate information and scans to bobsboots
>are profesional bootleggers who give discs high ratings in order to
>increase demand for them.
I didn't imply that at all. I think that the pseudonymous people who out of
nowhere come on rmd and criticize Bill's site are somehow involved in the
bobsboots website, which is why I used the phrase "vested interest."
Oh, how original. I havent heard that one
>before.
Never said it, so it's pretty original of you to make that inference.
Bill himself has said the very same thing on dylantree. youre
>not him under a different name are you?
What a modus operandi. Launch an attack on Bill. Shill for bobsboots. Attack
anybody who questions the correlation. B.A., you're making my case for me.
Thanks.
The way you 'shill' for
>monicasdude
I responded to posts made publicly on rmd. I've never -- ever -- started a
thread that even *mentions* monicasdude. This is probably the first time I've
publicly praised or criticized the site. I'm sick of reading pseudonymous
attacks on Bill that are obviously made by people who are *not objective* and
have very personal reasons for discrediting Bill and his site.
make me think you might have a vested interest in that
>site. Maybe it's just a big catalog of cheap made at home cdR copies
>that Bill sells for $25 a time.
The above statement (Bill sells CDR's for $25 a pop) is probably libelous. I
hope Bill has some idea of who you are, since of course, you, like all the
others who attack Bill/prop bobsboots, have an inclination to post
pseudonymously.
he tries to discredit every commercial
>cd release while singing the praised of every fan cdR, so maybe he has
>his own little home cdR operation going on.
If I were Bill, I think I'd file a Complaint first thing Monday morning.
You're a pathetic individual, whoever you are, "B.A."
ive certainly never seen
>him offer a trade or a freebie, or met anyone hes ever traded with.
>Where is he getting there cdRs from to review i wonder?
>you might think this is rediculous, but its no more than what these
>anti-bobsboots, anti-glass mastered cd, propaganda artists post about
>bobsboots.com and its supporters and if you want examples go to
>www.groups.google.com and search for -bill bobsboots- and then go to
>www.dylantree.com - general message board and search for -bill
>bobsboots- again. its there for everyone to see.
>This crap you have posted, Wolf-person shows you to be an childish
>idiot. Get lost.
>
>love, B.A.
>
The above post is a quintessential attempt to disparage Bill's site (attack
Bill, attack anybody who defends Bill or questions the motives of those making
the gratuitous attacks). I have no idea what the origins are of this feud are,
and I have never met Bill and have probably e-mailed him once, but it is clear
to me that these sporadic attacks on Bill's site coincide with shilling for
bobsboots.
Your ad hominem attack on me for stating the obvious only reinforces my
conclusion.
Seems that the supporters of bobsboots, for whatever reason, feel that
criticizing Bill's site somehow burnishes the image of bobsboots. It doesn't.
I think we know who the puerile fools are. Grow up.
Love,
Wolf-person (David Wolf, real name, no pseudonym).
Das814
How about "no good deed goes unpunished" with a wry smile and touch of
humor......Comparing two web sites that are obviously labors of love in such
vicious terms is just plain crazy.
I, for one, are
quite grateful that "Field Recordings" and "Bob's Boots" exist at all.
Doug
B.A.
so i should clarify this -
>Maybe it's just a big catalog of cheap made at home cdR copies
>that Bill sells for $25 a time. he tries to discredit every
commercial
>cd release while singing the praised of every fan cdR, so maybe he
has
>his own little home cdR operation going on. ive certainly never seen
>him offer a trade or a freebie, or met anyone hes ever traded with.
>Where is he getting there cdRs from to review i wonder?
note the use of the word MAYBE. im not implying that bill does this at
all, in fact im sure he doesnt and it would be facetious me to suggest
so, because i have no proof of it whatsoever. obviously, this is a
silly statement and was intended as an indication of the silly
nonsense that any individulal can make up in order to discredit a
person/website. as far as i know it isnt true, and i never suggested
that it was.
Mr. Dave Wolf, I have seen bill try to discredit various aspects of
Bobsboots without provocation, you might think this is just his
opinion, which is fine, but he seems to repeat it again and again,
which suggests to me that it's more of a considered campaign. I might
be right or wrong, but its my opinion. im not condoning Ramblin' Mans
comments, but im not condoning the repeated un-needed and unhelpful
comments which pick holes in bobsboots and question the motives of
anyone who supports the site either.
Pseudonymous people come out of nowhere to criticize bobsboots as
well. isn't bill a pseudonym? i dont even know who this guy is,
perhaps he keeps his identity secret for a reason. perhaps someone who
posts here under another name is bill. perhaps im bill. perhaps you
are. i have no connection with bobsboots, ive never met or
communicated with the people/person who runs either site, nor have i
ever made any contribution to either. i have no personal reason to
praise or discredit either site, so its not *obvious* why ive posted
this criticism. perhaps it *obvious* why you have defended Bills site.
i can now proceed to make up any number of stories: He's your father/
brother/ uncle/mother/second cousin. he supplies you with free cdRs
in exchange for scans and information. You are in love with him. you
work for the cdR division of Fuji and his site is helping push your
sales up. whatever. ive posted my opinion because i believe that
bobsboots is a great website that doesnt get the support it deserves.
im just a user who would hate to lose the site because of petty
competitive criticisms. you obviously dont believe that, you think
that i have a 'vested interest' in that site because im not singing
bills praises? thats just silly. if i suggested that you have a
'vested interest' in bills site, you would deny it and call me a liar
etc...for suggesting that. you cant prove or disprove it, you just
'think' it. i can think that John Howells is really Dan Rather, but it
doesnt make it so. im not attacking bill or bills site per se, he isnt
participating in this thread, all credit to him for having the dignity
not to take sides. im sure if bill really is a nice guy, he respects
the efforts of bobsboots and understand that one site isnt better than
the other. what im criticising is why there is this campaign to
discredit bobsboots. perhaps there isnt one. perhaps im deluding
myself. you seem to think theres a campaign against bill. i cant see
one. perhaps theres no conflict at all and were all delusional, its
hard to tell. to me, bill does appear to attempt to discredit
commercial cd releases - Rattle Snake discs seem to be a particular
favorite. again, i might be right or wrong, but thats the impression i
get. i do not feel that this kind of discussion does either website
any good, but i rarely see the guy from bobsboots saying that aspects
of bill's site aren't very good or are stolen from his site, as bill
has done.
im sorry that you feel that anyone who has anything good to say about
bobsboots must be personally connected with the site. perhaps some of
us just like the site and really do find it more useful than bills. is
that such a crime?
it wasnt my intent to offend, so peace and goodwill to all including
Dave Wolf-person.
B.A.
Wolfds
>Since i am the *N.J.Facekicka!* i can be a little hot-headed at times
>so i should clarify this -
>
>>Maybe it's just a big catalog of cheap made at home cdR copies
>>that Bill sells for $25 a time. he tries to discredit every
>commercial
>>cd release while singing the praised of every fan cdR, so maybe he
>has
>>his own little home cdR operation going on. ive certainly never seen
>>him offer a trade or a freebie, or met anyone hes ever traded with.
>>Where is he getting there cdRs from to review i wonder?
>
>note the use of the word MAYBE.
Noted then and now. The use of such a qualifying word is not in itself a
defense against libel.
im not implying that bill does this at
>all, in fact im sure he doesnt and it would be facetious me to suggest
>so,
Okay.
because i have no proof of it whatsoever. obviously, this is a
>silly statement and was intended as an indication of the silly
>nonsense that any individulal can make up in order to discredit a
>person/website.
Duly noted.
as far as i know it isnt true, and i never suggested
>that it was.
Well, I'm not sure if the sarcasm was apparent in your original post. It could
be me, though. Maybe it was obviously facetious, and I missed it.
> Mr. Dave Wolf, I have seen bill try to discredit various aspects of
>Bobsboots without provocation, you might think this is just his
>opinion, which is fine,
Did I ever indicate that I would find such acts by Bill defensible? I think I
clearly stated that I haven't seen Bill attack bobsboots without provocation.
Of course, this doesn't mean that such attacks have not taken place; it only
means that I have not seen them.
but he seems to repeat it again and again,
Again, this could just be me, but I don't recall this at all.
>which suggests to me that it's more of a considered campaign. I might
>be right or wrong, but its my opinion. im not condoning Ramblin' Mans
>comments, but im not condoning the repeated un-needed and unhelpful
>comments which pick holes in bobsboots and question the motives of
>anyone who supports the site either.
>Pseudonymous people come out of nowhere to criticize bobsboots as
>well. isn't bill a pseudonym?
If you've actually carefully read my posts, instead of reacting in a fit of
resentment, you would understand that I find significance in the Field Guide
criticisms coinciding with shilling for bobsboots. It is not the criticism
itself; it's the unnecessary "go visit bobsboots" or similar comments that make
me question the motives of such a poster.
i dont even know who this guy is,
>perhaps he keeps his identity secret for a reason. perhaps someone who
>posts here under another name is bill. perhaps im bill. perhaps you
>are.
Again, I've freely given my real name. Of course, as you noted, "Bill Clinton"
is a pseudonym as well, so theoretically I could be "Bill." But at least we
have my real name. We can't say the same for you.
i have no connection with bobsboots, ive never met or
>communicated with the people/person who runs either site, nor have i
>ever made any contribution to either. i have no personal reason to
>praise or discredit either site, so its not *obvious* why ive posted
>this criticism.
Then what's your name, B.A.?
perhaps it *obvious* why you have defended Bills site.
>i can now proceed to make up any number of stories: He's your father/
>brother/ uncle/mother/second cousin.
Again, my friend, I've given you my name. Others on rmd know me and know I'm
completely incapable of putting together Bill's website. When one person posts
under his real name and another posts pseudonymously, who do you believe has
more credibility?
he supplies you with free cdRs
>in exchange for scans and information. You are in love with him. you
>work for the cdR division of Fuji and his site is helping push your
>sales up. whatever.
This is so incredibly over-the-top. I've never questioned anybody who has
praised bobsboots per se. I question the motives of those who praise bobsboots
while simultaneously running down the Field Recordings Guide. Is this so hard
for you to comprehend? It's not either one *separately*, it's the combination
that makes me skeptical. In fact, *only a hobo* praised the site (*without*
running down the Field Recordings Guide) several hours ago. I don't question
hobo's motives.
ive posted my opinion because i believe that
>bobsboots is a great website that doesnt get the support it deserves.
Huh? When hasn't it gotten the support it deserves?
>im just a user who would hate to lose the site because of petty
>competitive criticisms. you obviously dont believe that, you think
>that i have a 'vested interest' in that site because im not singing
>bills praises?
Perhaps you should reread this thread. You're definitely having difficulty
comprehending what you read.
thats just silly. if i suggested that you have a
>'vested interest' in bills site, you would deny it and call me a liar
>etc...for suggesting that. you cant prove or disprove it, you just
>'think' it. i can think that John Howells is really Dan Rather, but it
>doesnt make it so. im not attacking bill or bills site per se, he isnt
>participating in this thread, all credit to him for having the dignity
>not to take sides. im sure if bill really is a nice guy, he respects
>the efforts of bobsboots and understand that one site isnt better than
>the other. what im criticising is why there is this campaign to
>discredit bobsboots.
Again, what campaign? This thread began when Bill posted a message (look at
the subject heading) informing rmd about the Field Recordings Guide update.
Note that there was not even an allusion to bobsboots in Bill's original post.
Then ramblin' man attempted to run the Guide down *and* added a hyperlink to
bobsboots. I'm entitled to question why "ramblin' man" would, a) tell Bill his
site is shit, and b) direct others to bobsboots.
perhaps there isnt one. perhaps im deluding
>myself. you seem to think theres a campaign against bill. i cant see
>one.
I'm not going to run a google search because this really isn't worth the time
I've already spent on this issue. Frankly, it's a cumulative thing, as I've
never jumped into one of these threads before.
Perhaps my memory is not serving me well, but I vividly recall several attacks
on Bill since I've joined rmd (more than four years ago). Many, if not most,
of these attacks coincided with shilling for bobsboots (again, this is what I
recall. Maybe I'm wrong).
perhaps theres no conflict at all and were all delusional, its
>hard to tell. to me, bill does appear to attempt to discredit
>commercial cd releases - Rattle Snake discs seem to be a particular
>favorite.
This is a legitimate criticism, and one I agree with. I believe some of Bill's
comments are way off the mark, but this is a completely distinct kind of
criticism than the type I condemn.
again, i might be right or wrong, but thats the impression i
>get. i do not feel that this kind of discussion does either website
>any good, but i rarely see the guy from bobsboots saying that aspects
>of bill's site aren't very good or are stolen from his site, as bill
>has done.
I recall Bill alleging that bobsboots plagiarized. I seem to recall that there
was some truth to the allegation, too (as I recall, any plagiarism by bobsboots
was inadvertent). If it were a canard, then Bill's plagiarism complaint would
have been disgusting. If it's legitimate, what's your gripe?
>
>im sorry that you feel that anyone who has anything good to say about
>bobsboots must be personally connected with the site.
Please quote the language I used that indicates that I feel "anyone who has
anything good to say about bobsboots must be personally connected with the
site." Again, you should read more carefully and respond to things I actually
say and not things you wish I had said.
perhaps some of
>us just like the site and really do find it more useful than bills. is
>that such a crime?
>
Well, as so many on rmd are wont to do, you've successfully torn down a straw
man. Bravo.
>it wasnt my intent to offend, so peace and goodwill to all including
>Dave Wolf-person.
>
>B.A.
Same, although I have to wonder why you add that suffix (i.e., -person) to my
name. But you're playing it completely straight, right?
B.A.
>under his real name and another posts pseudonymously, who do you
believe has
>more credibility?
This is one of the reason im wary of "bill".
As for me, B.A. are my initials. I dont care to reveal my name, thats
my choice, and obviously "Bill" has made a similar choice. im not
looking for credibility, just giving my opinion. its up to you to
believe or not believe whoever you want. maybe im "Bill A.". maybe i'm
"bullshit artist". maybe im George Bush. im not trying to convince
anyone of anything. people will believe want they want to believe
regardless of what i, or anyone else says.
>I question the motives of those who praise bobsboots
>while simultaneously running down the Field Recordings Guide. Is
this so hard
>for you to comprehend? It's not either one *separately*, it's the
combination
>that makes me skeptical.
It makes me skeptical too when ive seen "bill" who runs the field
recording guide being critical of bobsboots, then suggesting that
people would be better to use his site. what do you think his motives
are?
>Again, what campaign? This thread began when Bill posted a message
(look at
>the subject heading) informing rmd about the Field Recordings Guide
update.
>Note that there was not even an allusion to bobsboots in Bill's
original post.
>Then ramblin' man attempted to run the Guide down *and* added a
hyperlink to
>bobsboots. I'm entitled to question why "ramblin' man" would, a)
tell Bill his
>site is shit, and b) direct others to bobsboots.
Im not attempting to justify ramblin mans comments, i wouldnt go as
far as to say bills site is *shit*, but i think if ramblin man said
*in my opinion the site is shit and i prefer bobsboots* i dont see a
problem, apart from the word *shit* could be replaced with *not very
good* maybe. you dont have to take his word for it, make up your own
mind. i tend to agree in principal that bills site isnt as useful *to
me personally* and i therefore prefer bobsboots. i also prefer
bobsboots because when i read bills posts i dont warm to him at all. i
find him arrogant and opionated. i have encountered bill before in a
post where he argued with me about what a digipak was. perhaps that
has influenced my bad feeling towards him.
Also cant you also question bills motives when he says something like
"bobsboots best of guide isnt very good" and then says that he would
recommend his own guide instead? is that really an objective comment?
>Perhaps my memory is not serving me well, but I vividly recall
several attacks
>on Bill since I've joined rmd (more than four years ago). Many, if
not most,
>of these attacks coincided with shilling for bobsboots (again, this
is what I
>recall. Maybe I'm wrong).
Maybe then you will recall the attacks made on bobsboots by "anne
thrax".
>I recall Bill alleging that bobsboots plagiarized. I seem to recall
that there
>was some truth to the allegation, too (as I recall, any plagiarism by
bobsboots
>was inadvertent). If it were a canard, then Bill's plagiarism
complaint would
>have been disgusting. If it's legitimate, what's your gripe?
This message was posted from bill in the dylantree forum in January-
>Well, Robin, as I've posted recently, the Field Recordings Guide has
been >inaccessible for most of the last week because someone who
objects to my >support of noncommercial CDR trading (probably because
he's a dishonest boot >seller) has been running a crude
denial-of-service attack on the site. I've >spent considerable time
trying to get the site back up, and had it accessible >again last
night, But the attacker adjusted his approach overnight, and the >site
is again accessible this morning.
>(After looking over the site traffic data, it's clear that even if I
were to >buy the maximum bandwidth Angelfire offers, the site would
still be blocked by >the attack.)
>Most of the Alexa-archived site pages are current through the most
recent >update; a few are one update behind.
>As for bobsboots.com, a large number, perhaps more than half, of its
CD >listings were cut-and-pasted from my site, with minimal changes,
without >credit. As I have said repeatedly, I do not object to any use
of the >information or, in most cases, the text of the listings from
the site -- but >Craig Pinkerton claims copyright to my texts, and
sometimes credits those texts >to others, including the one of the
more likely suspects in the d-o-s attack.
This to me is an accusation that some people who support bobsboots
have not only intentionally plagerized his site, but are also
criminals who sell illegal cds and are also computer hackers or
something. Also it is an accusation that the guy who runs bobsboots is
in on the whole thing and is encouraging it. I dont think bill is
being entirely truthful here, to say the least. But again, thats just
the way i see it.
Anything else Mr. Dave Wolf, if i misunderstood your language i
apologize. i didnt mean to make fun of your name, no offense was
intented. As i said, i can be a little hot-headed and i did fly off
the handle at you a bit, and for that i offer my sincere apologies.
Everyone cant agree on everything, and we obviously see things from a
different point of view on this subject, which is fine. but its now
pretty early in the morning and i need to sleep.
Good wishes
B.A.-person. ;-)
Wolfds
>
>It makes me skeptical too when ive seen "bill" who runs the field
>recording guide being critical of bobsboots, then suggesting that
>people would be better to use his site. what do you think his motives
>are?
*If* Bill in advertising his site disparages bobsboots, he's obviously insecure
about something. Again, I have never seen Bill broach bobsboots in the way you
suggest; I have only seen Bill respond to attacks on the Field Guide. (If he
in a vacuum brought up the plagiarism allegations, that's another story
entirely. This kind of criticism doesn't speak to a site's usefulness, but is
rather a legitimate complaint.)
If there's google evidence to the contrary, demonstrating Bill acting in the
way you suggest, I'd be glad to read it if you provide the link.
>
>>>Again, what campaign? This thread began when Bill posted a message
>(look at
>>the subject heading) informing rmd about the Field Recordings Guide
>update.
>>Note that there was not even an allusion to bobsboots in Bill's
>original post.
>>Then ramblin' man attempted to run the Guide down *and* added a
>hyperlink to
>>bobsboots. I'm entitled to question why "ramblin' man" would, a)
>tell Bill his
>>site is shit, and b) direct others to bobsboots.
>
>Im not attempting to justify ramblin mans comments, i wouldnt go as
>far as to say bills site is *shit*, but i think if ramblin man said
>*in my opinion the site is shit and i prefer bobsboots* i dont see a
>problem, apart from the word *shit* could be replaced with *not very
>good* maybe. you dont have to take his word for it, make up your own
>mind. i tend to agree in principal that bills site isnt as useful *to
>me personally* and i therefore prefer bobsboots. i also prefer
>bobsboots because when i read bills posts i dont warm to him at all. i
>find him arrogant and opionated. i have encountered bill before in a
>post where he argued with me about what a digipak was. perhaps that
>has influenced my bad feeling towards him.
Well, those last few setences really do not speak to which site is more useful.
And you seem to have more of a problem with ramblin man's choice of words than
with the idea that there was simply no need to criticize bill's site *in this
particular thread*.
Bill had simply informed rmd, again without even alluding to bobsboots, that
his site is being updated. This is information that many of us appreciate.
Routine etiquette prescribes a situational non-response -- if you have nothing
nice to say, don't say anything at all. I have no problem with those who
prefer bobsboots to Bill's site, but it really wasn't the time or place to say
so, even if ramblin' man did not phrase it in such a juvenile way (which is not
to say that it's never the time or place to compare the sites -- there could
for instance be an rmd thread on the subject).
>Also cant you also question bills motives when he says something like
>"bobsboots best of guide isnt very good" and then says that he would
>recommend his own guide instead? is that really an objective comment?
>
Did I ever suggest that such a comment would be objective? As I hope I've made
abundantly clear by now, I believe such a statement by Bill is warranted as a
response to somebody else's criticism, but is unwarranted as a passing comment
in and of itself. In neither situation, however, would such a comment by Bill
be objective.
>>Perhaps my memory is not serving me well, but I vividly recall
>several attacks
>>on Bill since I've joined rmd (more than four years ago). Many, if
>not most,
>>of these attacks coincided with shilling for bobsboots (again, this
>is what I
>>recall. Maybe I'm wrong).
>
>Maybe then you will recall the attacks made on bobsboots by "anne
>thrax".
I remember "Anne Thrax" coming to Bill's *defense*. I don't remember any
attacks in a vacuum. Again, provide the link, I'll be happy to read evidence
to the contrary.
It reads to me like an accusation that one person who uses bobsboots is a
criminal who sells illegal cds and is a computer hacker. There are also
allegations of plagiarism, but it is unclear whether Bill is accusing anybody
of intentionally doing so. Again, as I recall, there was some truth to the
plagiarism allegation. I could be wrong, though. Provide the link.
Also it is an accusation that the guy who runs bobsboots is
>in on the whole thing and is encouraging it.
What language leads you to that inference? I don't see that at all.
I dont think bill is
>being entirely truthful here, to say the least.
I don't know if Bill was or wasn't being truthful. What evidence do you have
that he was untruthful?
But again, thats just
>the way i see it.
>
>
>Anything else Mr. Dave Wolf, if i misunderstood your language i
>apologize. i didnt mean to make fun of your name, no offense was
>intented. As i said, i can be a little hot-headed and i did fly off
>the handle at you a bit, and for that i offer my sincere apologies.
>Everyone cant agree on everything, and we obviously see things from a
>different point of view on this subject, which is fine. but its now
>pretty early in the morning and i need to sleep.
>
>Good wishes
>
>B.A.-person. ;-)
Same.
Howard Mirowitz
the entire Web. If it weren't for you, I'd have no cover art for any of my
collection...
Not to mention the high probability that without your site I'd have
absolutely no idea what was even in my collection.
H.
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Mad Dan
this:
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Afghanistan's Landmine Legacy
Searched for fucking hours for Bobsboots or Monicasdude and...nothing.
Some people really got NO sense of priorities have they?
Alan Fraser
That's certainly my view. I find sites both excellent resources.
People are always referring rare Dylan to me, and it's invaluable to
be able to point them to entries on these sites to prove to them what
exactly they have.
Alan
Tricia J
Has anyone mentioned dylanbase? http://www.dylanbase.com
I find that these three sites (along with Alan's of course for
official rarities) can answer all questions which arise regarding
Dylan releases. I'd also like to mention the Blood On The Tracks site
as well (not sure of the url, but linked from expectingrain) which
documents known flaws in bootlegs - very useful! I'm sure most people
are grateful for _all_ the information which is so brilliantly
provided for us online. Thanks to _all_ the people who put the work
into these sites, keeping them updated etc.