My 200 Favorite 1960s Records

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

Here's my 200 favorite 1960s records.

1 ¦ Spoonful ¦ Howlin' Wolf - 60
2 ¦ Ain't Nothing You Can Do ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 64
3 ¦ It Will Stand ¦ Showmen - 61
4 ¦ I Need Your Lovin' ¦ Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford - 62
5 ¦ Can't Buy Me Love ¦ Beatles - 64
6 ¦ Thank You John ¦ Willie Tee - 65
7 ¦ Hold On I'm A'Comin' ¦ Sam & Dave - 66
8 ¦ In The Midnight Hour ¦ Wilson Pickett - 65
9 ¦ Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go ¦ Hank Ballard and the Midnighters -
60
10 ¦ Waitin' On You ¦ B.B. King - 66
11 ¦ No Sweet Lovin' ¦ Drifters - 61
12 ¦ Baby Workout (alternate) ¦ Jackie Wilson - 63
13 ¦ I'm In Love Again ¦ Upsetters (Little Richard) - 62
14 ¦ New Orleans ¦ Gary U.S. Bonds - 60
15 ¦ I Can Hear Music ¦ Beach Boys - 69
16 ¦ Let The Four Winds Blow ¦ Fats Domino - 61
17 ¦ Foot Stomping ¦ Flares - 61
18 ¦ I Feel Fine ¦ Beatles - 64
19 ¦ The Same Thing ¦ Muddy Waters - 64
20 ¦ It's All Right ¦ Impressions - 63
21 ¦ Never Give You Up ¦ Jerry Butler - 68
22 ¦ Bad Moon Rising ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival - 69
23 ¦ Let's Work Together ¦ Canned Heat - 69
24 ¦ Out Of Sight ¦ James Brown - 64
25 ¦ I Want A Love I Can See ¦ Temptations - 63
26 ¦ Bring It On Home ¦ Sonny Boy Williamson - 65
27 ¦ Revolution ¦ Beatles - 68
28 ¦ Heart Full Of Soul ¦ Yardbirds - 65
29 ¦ Pink Pegged Slacks ¦ Eddie Cochran - 62
30 ¦ The Sounds Of Silence ¦ Simon & Garfunkel - 65
31 ¦ Think ¦ Jimmy McCracklin - 65
32 ¦ Madison Blues ¦ Elmore James - 60
33 ¦ My Girl Josephine ¦ Fats Domino - 60
34 ¦ Finger Poppin' Time ¦ Hank Ballard and the Midnighters - 60
35 ¦ Dust My Broom (Live) ¦ Howlin' Wolf - 66
36 ¦ Let's Do The Cha Cha ¦ Magnificents - 60
37 ¦ It Won't Be Long ¦ Beatles - 63
38 ¦ Wang Dang Doodle ¦ Koko Taylor - 66
39 ¦ Suddenly There's A Valley ¦ Drifters - 60
40 ¦ Catch The Wind (LP version) ¦ Donovan - 65
41 ¦ Sweet Cherry Wine ¦ Tommy James and the Shondells - 69
42 ¦ Papa's Got A Brand New Bag ¦ James Brown - 64
43 ¦ A Hard Day's Night ¦ Beatles - 64
44 ¦ Lonely No More ¦ Little Milton - 61
45 ¦ Pony Time ¦ Chubby Checker - 61
46 ¦ All Day And All Of The Night ¦ Kinks - 64
47 ¦ Get Off Of My Cloud ¦ Rolling Stones - 65
48 ¦ Beautician Blues ¦ B.B. King - 64
49 ¦ I Pity The Fool ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 61
50 ¦ Proud Mary ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival - 69
51 ¦ It's All Over Now ¦ Rolling Stones - 64
52 ¦ Hung Down Head ¦ Lowell Fulson - 61
53 ¦ Ain't Doing Too Bad ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 64
54 ¦ Respect ¦ Aretha Franklin - 67
55 ¦ Heart Of Stone ¦ Rolling Stones - 64
56 ¦ Come Together ¦ Beatles - 69
57 ¦ Sweet Rockin' Mama ¦ Hi-Tombs - 60
58 ¦ Running Scared ¦ Roy Orbison - 61
59 ¦ We're Gonna Make It ¦ Little Milton - 65
60 ¦ Midnight Confessions ¦ Grass Roots - 68
61 ¦ Second Line ¦ Huey & Curley - 63
62 ¦ Little Deuce Coupe ¦ Beach Boys - 63
63 ¦ Smoky Places ¦ Corsairs - 61
64 ¦ Surfin' U.S.A. ¦ Beach Boys - 63
65 ¦ It's My Life ¦ Animals - 65
66 ¦ Crystal Blue Persuasion ¦ Tommy James and the Shondells - 68
67 ¦ Whole Lotta Love ¦ Led Zeppelin - 69
68 ¦ Sunshine Of Your Love ¦ Cream - 67
69 ¦ Let's Live For Today ¦ Grass Roots - 67
70 ¦ Shotgun ¦ Jr. Walker and the All-Stars - 65
71 ¦ There Is ¦ Dells - 67
72 ¦ Got To Get You Off My Mind ¦ Solomon Burke - 65
73 ¦ Like A Rolling Stone ¦ Bob Dylan - 65
74 ¦ Ticket To Ride ¦ Beatles - 65
75 ¦ Glad All Over ¦ Dave Clark 5 - 63
76 ¦ Hello Goodbye ¦ Beatles - 67
77 ¦ Psychotic Reaction ¦ Count Five - 66
78 ¦ She Loves You ¦ Beatles - 63
79 ¦ Eight Days A Week ¦ Beatles - 64
80 ¦ Get Ready ¦ Rare Earth - 69
81 ¦ Ain't Too Proud To Beg ¦ Temptations - 66
82 ¦ I Get Around ¦ Beach Boys - 64
83 ¦ Louie Louie ¦ Kingmen - 63
84 ¦ (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction ¦ Rolling Stones - 65
85 ¦ Bits And Pieces ¦ Dave Clark 5 - 64
86 ¦ It's A Man Down There ¦ G.L. Crockett - 65
87 ¦ When You Walk In The Room ¦ Searchers - 64
88 ¦ Nowhere Man ¦ Beatles - 65
89 ¦ Monday, Monday ¦ Mamas & Papas - 66
90 ¦ Southern Country Boy ¦ Carter Brothers - 65
91 ¦ Can't You See That She's Mine ¦ Dave Clark 5 - 64
92 ¦ Penny Lane ¦ Beatles - 67
93 ¦ Doggin' Around ¦ Jackie Wilson - 60
94 ¦ Nine Pound Steel ¦ Joe Simon - 67
95 ¦ I Heard It Through The Grapevine ¦ Gladys Knight and the Pips -
67
96 ¦ Only The Strong Survive ¦ Jerry Butler - 68
97 ¦ Israelites ¦ Desmond Dekker and the Aces - 68
98 ¦ I Ain't Got You ¦Yardbirds - 64
99 ¦ I Can't Explain ¦ The Who - 65
100 ¦ Beauty Is Only Skin Deep ¦ Temptations - 66

101 ¦ 96 Tears ¦ ? and the Mysterians - 66
102 ¦ Kicks ¦ Paul Revere and the Raiders - 66
103 ¦ Who's Been Talking ¦ Howlin' Wolf - 60
104 ¦ Have I The Right ¦ Honeycombs - 64
105 ¦ Surf City ¦ Jan & Dean - 63
106 ¦ All My Loving ¦ Beatles - 63
107 ¦ I Hear You Knockin' ¦ Fats Domino - 61
108 ¦ Green Onions ¦ Booker T. & MG's - 62
109 ¦ The Last Time ¦ Rolling Stones - 65
110 ¦ Crimson And Clover ¦ Tommy James and the Shondells - 68
111 ¦ Please Come Home For Christmas ¦ Charles Brown - 60
112 ¦ What Does It Take (To Win Your Love) ¦ Jr. Walker & All-Stars -
69
113 ¦ Gimme Some Lovin' ¦ Spencer Davis Group - 66
114 ¦ Baby, You're Right ¦ James Brown - 60
115 ¦ My Back Pages ¦ Byrds - 67
116 ¦ Hot Fun In The Summertime ¦ Sly and the Family Stone - 69
117 ¦ Good Lovin' ¦ Young Rascals - 66
118 ¦ Don't Knock ¦ Spiders - 61
119 ¦ Shticks And Stones ¦ Allan Sherman - 62
120 ¦ Honky Tonky ¦ Drifters - 60
121 ¦ Respect ¦ Otis Redding - 65
122 ¦ Little Saint Nick ¦ Beach Boys - 63
123 ¦ A Rockin' Good Way ¦ Brook Benton & Dinah Washington - 60
124 ¦ Please Please Me ¦ Beatles - 63
125 ¦ Big Boy Pete ¦ Olympics - 60
126 ¦ Surfer Girl ¦ Beach Boys - 63
127 ¦ I Am A Rock ¦ Simon & Garfunkel - 66
128 ¦ Whispers ¦ Jackie Wilson - 66
129 ¦ A Whiter Shade Of Pale ¦ Procol Harum - 67
130 ¦ I'll Turn To Stone ¦ Four Tops - 67
131 ¦ Slip Away ¦ Clarence Carter - 68
132 ¦ Savoy Truffle ¦ Beatles - 68
133 ¦ Touch Me ¦ Doors - 68
134 ¦ I'm Gonna Make You Love Me ¦ Supremes & Temptations - 68
135 ¦ Tell Me Why ¦ Beatles - 64
136 ¦ Ain't That A Groove ¦ James Brown - 66
137 ¦ All I've Gotta Do ¦ Beatles - 63
138 ¦ Come And Get These Memories ¦ Martha and the Vandellas - 63
139 ¦ The One Who Really Loves You ¦ Mary Wells - 62
140 ¦ Street Fighting Man ¦ Rolling Stones - 68
141 ¦ Along Comes Mary ¦ Association - 66
142 ¦ Hanky Panky ¦ Tommy James and the Shondells - 64
143 ¦ Since You've Been Gone ¦ Aretha Franklin - 68
144 ¦ Cloud Nine ¦ Temptations - 68
145 ¦ Rain ¦ Beatles - 66
146 ¦ Jumpin' Jack Flash ¦ Rolling Stones - 68
147 ¦ I Wanna Be Around ¦ Tony Bennett - 62
148 ¦ Venus ¦ Shocking Blue - 69
149 ¦ Magic Carpet Ride ¦ Steppenwolf - 68
150 ¦ Lodi ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival - 69
151 ¦ Down On The Corner ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival - 69
152 ¦ Honky Tonk Women ¦ Rolling Stones - 69
153 ¦ Thank You (Faletttinme Be Mice Elf Agin) ¦ Sly and the Family
Stone - 69
154 ¦ Galveston ¦ Glen Campbell - 69
155 ¦ Mean Woman Blues ¦ Warren Phillips and the Rockets - 69
156 ¦ Go Where You Wanna Go ¦ 5th Dimension - 66
157 ¦ (You're My) Soul And Inspiration ¦ Righteous Brothers - 66
158 ¦ You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' ¦ Righteous Brothers - 64
159 ¦ No Particular Place To Go ¦ Chuck Berry - 64
160 ¦ She's Not There ¦ Zombies - 64
161 ¦ Off The Hook ¦ Rolling Stones - 64
162 ¦ I'll Cry Instead ¦ Beatles - 64
163 ¦ You Never Can Tell ¦ Chuck Berry - 64
164 ¦ Positively 4th Street ¦ Bob Dylan - 65
165 ¦ Honey I Ain't Teasin' ¦ Smokey Smothers - 61
166 ¦ 634-5789 (Soulsville, U.S.A.) ¦ Wilson Pickett - 66
167 ¦ Woman's Got Soul ¦ Impressions - 65
168 ¦ Ooo Baby Baby ¦ Miracles - 65
169 ¦ Arkansas ¦ Jimmy McCracklin - 65
170 ¦ Just Like A Woman ¦ Bob Dylan - 66
171 ¦ 19th Nervous Breakdown ¦ Rolling Stones - 66
172 ¦ Takin' Care Of Business ¦ Freddy King - 61
173 ¦ Dear Lady (Twist) ¦ Gary U.S. Bonds - 61
174 ¦ She Got Low Down ¦ Huey "Piano" Smith and the Clowns - 61
175 ¦ Honey Bee ¦ Drifters - 61
176 ¦ Good Vibrations ¦ Beach Boys - 66
177 ¦ I Can't Lose ¦ B.B. King - 64
178 ¦ I'll Go Crazy ¦ James Brown and the Famous Flames - 60
179 ¦ Poor Fool ¦ Ike & Tina Turner - 61
180 ¦ Ain't That Loving You Baby ¦ Elvis Presley - 64
181 ¦ Sunshine Superman ¦ Donovan - 66
182 ¦ Third Man Theme ¦ Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass - 65
183 ¦ Down In Mexico ¦ Nutmegs - 64
184 ¦ The Red Rooster ¦ Howlin' Wolf - 61
185 ¦ We Gotta Get Out Of This Place ¦ Animals - 65
186 ¦ Duke Of Earl ¦ Gene Chandler - 61
187 ¦ King Of The Road ¦ Roger Miller - 65
188 ¦ Walking Around In Circles ¦ Spiders - 61
189 ¦ I'm A Believer ¦ Monkees - 66
190 ¦ Green River ¦ Creedence Clearwater Revival - 69
191 ¦ Turn On Your Love Light ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 61
192 ¦ Solitary Man ¦ Neil Diamond - 66
193 ¦ Honky Tonkin' (In Mississippi) ¦ Jimmy Swan - 65
194 ¦ But It's Alright ¦ J.J. Jackson - 66
195 ¦ Rockin' Behind The Iron Curtain ¦ Huey "Piano" Smith and the
Clowns - 61
196 ¦ Night Train ¦ James Brown - 62
197 ¦ See See Baby ¦ Freddy King - 61
198 ¦ I'm Glad She's Mine ¦ Lonesome Sundown - 61
199 ¦ Don't Start Cryin' Now ¦ Slim Harpo - 61
200 ¦ Quarter To Three ¦ Gary U.S. Bonds - 61

[RichL]

You know, there's an awful lot of guitar-slingin' white boys on that list.
Maybe 70%.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:31 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You know, there's an awful lot of guitar-slingin' white boys on that list.
> Maybe 70%.

Not too good at math, huh?

I count 89 out of 200 (44.5 %).

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Well, I'm not so obsessed with the matter that I attempted to count.
Besides, I'm guessing a lot of the records that you counted as "no" used
guitar-slingin' white boys in the studio.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 9:44 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:b0c3840f-ade6-49b7...@n5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

>
> > On Jun 14, 6:31 am, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> You know, there's an awful lot of guitar-slingin' white boys on that
> >> list.
> >> Maybe 70%.
>
> > Not too good at math, huh?
>
> > I count 89 out of 200 (44.5 %).
>
> Well, I'm not so obsessed with the matter that I attempted to count.
> Besides, I'm guessing a lot of the records that you counted as "no" used
> guitar-slingin' white boys in the studio.

You're guessing wrong, I think there's one on the entire list (Slip
Away - Duane Allman).

Besides, it's not the skin color I have a problem with, it's people
who essentially only listen to white (styled) guitar oriented music.
There's nothing white about "Slip Away."

Do you even KNOW these records?

6 ¦ Thank You John ¦ Willie Tee - 65

10 ¦ Waitin' On You ¦ B.B. King - 66
11 ¦ No Sweet Lovin' ¦ Drifters - 61

13 ¦ I'm In Love Again ¦ Upsetters (Little Richard) - 62

17 ¦ Foot Stomping ¦ Flares - 61

19 ¦ The Same Thing ¦ Muddy Waters - 64

25 ¦ I Want A Love I Can See ¦ Temptations - 63
26 ¦ Bring It On Home ¦ Sonny Boy Williamson - 65

31 ¦ Think ¦ Jimmy McCracklin - 65
32 ¦ Madison Blues ¦ Elmore James - 60

36 ¦ Let's Do The Cha Cha ¦ Magnificents - 60

38 ¦ Wang Dang Doodle ¦ Koko Taylor - 66
39 ¦ Suddenly There's A Valley ¦ Drifters - 60

44 ¦ Lonely No More ¦ Little Milton - 61

48 ¦ Beautician Blues ¦ B.B. King - 64
49 ¦ I Pity The Fool ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 61

52 ¦ Hung Down Head ¦ Lowell Fulson - 61
53 ¦ Ain't Doing Too Bad ¦ Bobby "Blue" Bland - 64

57 ¦ Sweet Rockin' Mama ¦ Hi-Tombs - 60

59 ¦ We're Gonna Make It ¦ Little Milton - 65

[really real]

All those early Beatles songs, yet only one song by the Kinks and The Who.

A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
and nothing from their two best albums. Summer Days and Summer Nights
and Pet Sounds.

You're a strange strange man, Master Bloomfield

>
> 1 � Spoonful � Howlin' Wolf - 60
> 2 � Ain't Nothing You Can Do � Bobby "Blue" Bland - 64
> 3 � It Will Stand � Showmen - 61
> 4 � I Need Your Lovin' � Don Gardner & Dee Dee Ford - 62
> 5 � Can't Buy Me Love � Beatles - 64
> 6 � Thank You John � Willie Tee - 65
> 7 � Hold On I'm A'Comin' � Sam & Dave - 66
> 8 � In The Midnight Hour � Wilson Pickett - 65
> 9 � Let's Go, Let's Go, Let's Go � Hank Ballard and the Midnighters -
> 60
> 10 � Waitin' On You � B.B. King - 66
> 11 � No Sweet Lovin' � Drifters - 61
> 12 � Baby Workout (alternate) � Jackie Wilson - 63
> 13 � I'm In Love Again � Upsetters (Little Richard) - 62
> 14 � New Orleans � Gary U.S. Bonds - 60

> 15 � I Can Hear Music �

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 12:30 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> All those early Beatles songs, yet only one song by the Kinks and The Who.

Too much great R&B and blues to have room for more of that stuff.

> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
> and nothing from their two best albums. Summer Days and Summer Nights
> and Pet Sounds.

Well, I'm not real interested in albums. But if I expanded the list to
300 there would be songs from both of those albums. "You're So Good To
Me" is a pretty big favorite.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 12:30 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>

> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations

> > 15 ¦ I Can Hear Music ¦ Beach Boys - 69

You must have missed my favorite Beach Boys record, from 1969. Much
later than "Pet Sounds" and "Good Vibrations."

[really real]

>
>> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
>> and nothing from their two best albums. Summer Days and Summer Nights
>> and Pet Sounds.
>
> Well, I'm not real interested in albums. But if I expanded the list to
> 300 there would be songs from both of those albums. "You're So Good To
> Me" is a pretty big favorite.
>

I agree - I love that song. There's something different in the sound of
it. Of course, I also love Help Me Rhonda

[really real]

On 6/14/2013 9:43 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> On Jun 14, 12:30 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
>

>>> 15 Ś I Can Hear Music Ś Beach Boys - 69

>
> You must have missed my favorite Beach Boys record, from 1969. Much
> later than "Pet Sounds" and "Good Vibrations."
>
>
>

That's fine if you like prog

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 12:53 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 9:43 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 14, 12:30 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
>

> >>> 15 ¦ I Can Hear Music ¦ Beach Boys - 69

>
> > You must have missed my favorite Beach Boys record, from 1969. Much
> > later than "Pet Sounds" and "Good Vibrations."
>
> That's fine if you like prog

"I Can Hear Music" is prog?

[really real]

On 6/14/2013 10:07 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
> On Jun 14, 12:53 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 9:43 AM, The Bloomfield Buddy wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 12:30 pm, really real <reallyr...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> A lot of early Beach Boys songs but only one later one, Good Vibrations
>>

>>>>> 15 Ś I Can Hear Music Ś Beach Boys - 69

>>
>>> You must have missed my favorite Beach Boys record, from 1969. Much
>>> later than "Pet Sounds" and "Good Vibrations."
>>
>> That's fine if you like prog
>
> "I Can Hear Music" is prog?
>

No, it's like an oldies cover, like Rock n Roll Music was, but
Transcendental Meditation is prog

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 5:41 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, and he also listed "The Sounds [sic] of Silence," the sort of error
> that greeeeeeatly offends him in others.

What error? That's the song's title:

http://images.45cat.com/simon-and-garfunkel-the-sounds-of-silence-columbia.jpg

> Using the top 200 taken from his beloved Digital Dream Door site as
> reference, here's a reminder of some of the songs Bruce snubbed, despite
> his apparently unassailable take on popular music. And this is the
> torchbearer for black music?
>
> Marvin Gaye-I Heard It Through the Grapevine
> The Temptations-My Girl
> Sam & Dave-Soul Man
> Smokey Robinson and The Miracles-The Tracks of My Tears
> Four Tops-Reach Out I'll Be There
> Etta James-At Last
> James Brown-It's a Man's Man's Man's World
> Martha and The Vandellas-Dancing in the Street
> Ben E. King-Stand by Me
> Otis Redding-Try a Little Tenderness
> Otis Redding-I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now)
> Smokey Robinson and The Miracles-The Tears of a Clown
> James Carr-The Dark End of the Street
> James Brown-I Got You (I Feel Good)
> Aretha Franklin-Chain of Fools
> Aretha Franklin-I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)
> The Impressions-People Get Ready
> Martha and The Vandellas-Heat Wave
> Aretha Franklin-(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman
> Aretha Franklin-Think
> Sam Cooke-A Change Is Gonna Come
> Percy Sledge-When a Man Loves a Woman
> The Drifters-Save the Last Dance for Me
> The Drifters-On Broadway
> The Ronettes-Be My Baby
> The Shirelles-Will You Love Me Tomorrow
> The Jackson 5-I Want You Back
> Otis Redding-(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay
> The Supremes-Stop! In the Name of Love
> Sam Cooke-Shake
> Aretha Franklin-I Say a Little Prayer
> Mary Wells-My Guy
> Ben E. King-Spanish Harlem
> Ray Charles-Georgia on My Mind
> Stevie Wonder-Uptight (Everything's Alright)
> Ike and Tina Turner-River Deep, Mountain High
> Chubby Checker-The Twist
> Jackie Wilson-(Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher
> Sly and the Family Stone-Everyday People
> Little Eva-The Loco-Motion
> The Miracles-You've Really Got a Hold on Me
> The Marvelettes-Please Mr. Postman
> James Brown-Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud
> The Crystals-Da Doo Ron Ron (When He Walked Me Home)
> The Supremes-Where Did Our Love Go
> Sly and the Family Stone-Dance to the Music
> The Crystals-He's a Rebel
> The Supremes-You Can't Hurry Love
> B.B. King-The Thrill Is Gone
> Louis Armstrong-What a Wonderful World
> The Chiffons-He's So Fine
> Ray Charles-I Can't Stop Loving You
> The Supremes-Baby Love
>
> (I segregated this list, in accordance with the way Bruce views music. A
> few other snubs....)
>
> The Kinks-You Really Got Me
> The Who-My Generation
> Creedence Clearwater Revival-Fortunate Son
> Buffalo Springfield-For What It's Worth
> The Rolling Stones-Gimme Shelter
> The Righteous Brothers-Unchained Melody
> The Rolling Stones-Paint It, Black
> Roy Orbison-Only the Lonely (Know the Way I Feel)
> The Beatles-I Want to Hold Your Hand
> The Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil
> The Jimi Hendrix Experience-Purple Haze
> The Byrds-Mr. Tambourine Man
> The Doors-Light My Fire
> The Animals-House of the Rising Sun
> The Beatles-Yesterday
> Roy Orbison-Oh, Pretty Woman
> Van Morrison-Brown Eyed Girl
> Del Shannon-Runaway
> The Beatles-Help!
> The Lovin' Spoonful-Summer in the City
> Dusty Springfield-Son of a Preacher Man
> Roy Orbison-Crying
> The Shangri-La's-Leader of the Pack
> Dion-Runaround Sue
> Sam the Sham and The Pharaohs-Wooly Bully
> Bobby Fuller Four-I Fought the Law
> The Beach Boys-California Girls
> The Young Rascals-Groovin'
> The Lovin' Spoonful-Do You Believe in Magic

Personal taste is personal taste, and you just helped prove that my
own taste does not influence my "objective" DDD lists.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 5:45 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 5:41 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Oh, and he also listed "The Sounds [sic] of Silence," the sort of error
> > that greeeeeeatly offends him in others.
>
> What error?  That's the song's title:
>

> http://images.45cat.com/simon-and-garfunkel-the-sounds-of-silence-col...

"The Sound of Silence" was originally called "The Sounds of Silence"
and is titled that way on the early albums in which it appeared and on
the first single release; only on later compilations was it retitled
"The Sound of Silence".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Soundofsilence.jpg

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

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I know over half of them. Plus, I listened to a lot of Motown stuff back in
the day.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:10 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 14, 5:41 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, and he also listed "The Sounds [sic] of Silence," the sort of error
> > > that greeeeeeatly offends him in others.
>
> > What error?  That's the song's title:
>
> >http://images.45cat.com/simon-and-garfunkel-the-sounds-of-silence-col...
>

> The song is known by the singular title today. Join the modern world.

How about just admitting that you were wrong about me making an error?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:11 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:6a1b55dd-9a6f-4bcf...@n5g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

There's one Motown record on that 21 song list. Most Motown was
essentially black music tailored to appeal to whites.

And the Hi-Tombs record is a hillbilly rockabilly record from the
Virginia mountain area.

You're from near there, aren't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRV4EWpQmbE

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:30 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Do you really think I didn't know the song title was originally singular?

It was originally plural.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:30 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
> Instead of obsessing over anal-retentive bookkeeping trivia like you
> always do, why don't you address the bigger picture: why you ferociously
> abuse others for not liking enough black music, yet shrug off so many
> indisputable black classics from the '60s.

Huh?

Because a song is not among my 200 favorites of the decade does not
mean that I "shrug it off." Most of those songs you listed are among
my 100 favorites of the year they are from. They are almost all very
good to excellent in my rating system, just not white among my own 200
personal favorites of the decade.

I prefer my black music to sound a little more raw than the general
(white) public does. That's why I prefer Bobby Bland to Stevie Wonder,
and Howlin' Wolf to the Supremes and Muddy Waters to Marvin Gaye,
etc....

[really real]

>
> There's one Motown record on that 21 song list. Most Motown was
> essentially black music tailored to appeal to whites.
>

Did you really leave out The Lovin' Spoonful's Summer in the City?

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Which is why I made a distinction between the songs on the list and Motown.

> Most Motown was
> essentially black music tailored to appeal to whites.

I'd say it had pretty universal appeal, at least to the non-race-obsessed.

>
> And the Hi-Tombs record is a hillbilly rockabilly record from the
> Virginia mountain area.
>
> You're from near there, aren't you?

Nope. I live in Maryland now but I was born and raised in New England.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRV4EWpQmbE

That truly sucked!

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:42 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:a862fbec-e54a-4a3d...@w9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

Yes, Gordy wanted to appeal to everybody, not just to blacks. He was a
businessman first and a music guy second. That's why he resisted
things like "What's Going On" because he thought it might hurt his
business to change Gaye's already succesful formula.

>
>
> > And the Hi-Tombs record is a hillbilly rockabilly record from the
> > Virginia mountain area.
>
> > You're from near there, aren't you?
>
> Nope.  I live in Maryland now but I was born and raised in New England.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRV4EWpQmbE
>
> That truly sucked!

I didn't expect you to like it, but if you ever find a copy in clean
condition I'll be happy to give you $300 for it.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 6:42 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > Using the top 200 taken from his beloved Digital Dream Door site as
> > reference, here's a reminder of some of the songs Bruce snubbed
>

> > The Temptations-My Girl
>
> He bitches at me for not liking the Temptations enough.

>
> > James Brown-It's a Man's Man's Man's World

> > James Brown-I Got You (I Feel Good)

> > James Brown-Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud
>

> He bitches at me for not liking James Brown enough.
>
> > Aretha Franklin-Chain of Fools

> > Aretha Franklin-(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman
> > Aretha Franklin-Think

> > Aretha Franklin-I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)

> > Aretha Franklin-I Say a Little Prayer
>

> He bitches at me for not liking Aretha Franklin enough.

>
> > Ray Charles-Georgia on My Mind
>

> He bitches at me for not liking Ray Charles enough.

Here's where all these songs rank on my yearly lists:

MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1964:
52 ¦ My Girl ¦ Temptations

MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1965:
81 ¦ I Got You (I Feel Good) ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1967:
7 ¦ Chain Of Fools ¦ Aretha Franklin
33 ¦ Do Right Woman, Do Right Man ¦ Aretha Franklin
56 ¦ Dr. Feelgood ¦ Aretha Franklin
64 ¦ I Never Loved A Man ¦ Aretha Franklin
103 ¦ Baby I Love You ¦ Aretha Franklin
104 ¦ A Natural Woman ¦ Aretha Franklin
115 ¦ Soul Serenade ¦ Aretha Franklin

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1968:
13 ¦ Since You've Been Gone ¦ Aretha Franklin
23 ¦ Think ¦ Aretha Franklin
127 ¦ I Say A Little Prayer ¦ Aretha Franklin
152 ¦ My Song ¦ Aretha Franklin

MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1960:
45 ¦ Georgia On My Mind ¦ Ray Charles

I'm a much bigger fan of Ray Charles before he sold out to Whitey with
all the violins and shit in the 60s.

> > James Brown-It's a Man's Man's Man's World

> > James Brown-Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud

These two are not nig personal favorites, but here's where JB songs
rank on my various yearly lists:

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1956:
77 ¦ Please Please Please ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
103 ¦ Chonnie-On-Chon ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
105 ¦ No, No, No, No, No ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
116 ¦ I Feel That Old Feeling Coming On ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
321 ¦ Let's Make It ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
347 ¦ I Won't Plead No More ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
521 ¦ Just Won't Do Right ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
553 ¦ Why Do You Do Me ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames
576 ¦ Hold My Baby's Hand ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames

(Still working on 1957)

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1958:
56 ¦ Tell Me What I Did Wrong ¦ James Brown
399 ¦ Try Me ¦ James Brown & Famous Flames

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1959:
48 ¦ Good Good Lovin' ¦ James Brown
92 ¦ I've Got To Change ¦ James Brown
172 ¦ There Must Be A Reason ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1960:
13 ¦ Baby You're Right ¦ James Brown
17 ¦ I'll Go Crazy ¦ James Brown
64 ¦ I Know It's True ¦ James Brown
83 ¦ Bewildered ¦ James Brown
170 ¦ This Old Heart ¦ James Brown
207 ¦ You've Got The Power ¦ James Brown
220 ¦ I'll Never, Never Let You Go ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1961:
39 ¦ Come Over Here ¦ James Brown
116 ¦ You Don't Have To Go ¦ James Brown
126 ¦ I Don't Mind ¦ James Brown
161 ¦ Lost Someone ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1962:
8 ¦ Night Train ¦ James Brown
133 ¦ Mashed Potatoes U.S.A. ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1964:
5 ¦ Out Of Sight ¦ James Brown
49 ¦ Caldonia ¦ James Brown
66 ¦ Maybe The Last Time ¦ James Brown
88 ¦ Oh Baby Don't You Weep ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1965:
8 ¦ Papa's Got A Brand New Bag ¦ James Brown
81 ¦ I Got You (I Feel Good) ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1966:
15 ¦ Ain't That A Groove ¦ James Brown
55 ¦ Bring It Up ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1967:
26 ¦ Cold Sweat ¦ James Brown
173 ¦ There Was A Time ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1968:
49 ¦ I Got The Feelin' ¦ James Brown
113 ¦ America Is My Home ¦ James Brown
126 ¦ Santa Claus Go Straight To The Ghetto ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1970:
11 ¦ Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Sex Machine ¦ James Brown
25 ¦ Call Me Super Bad ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1971:
62 ¦ Hot Pants ¦ James Brown
106 ¦ I'm A Greedy Man ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1972:
17 ¦ Get On The Good Foot ¦ James Brown
100 ¦ Talking Loud And Saying Nothing ¦ James Brown
108 ¦ Honky Tonk ¦ James Brown

MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1973:
1 ¦ Doing It To Death ¦ Fred Wesley & J.B.'s (James Brown)

I think it's pretty clear that I'm a big James Brown fan. You claim to
be a fan, do you even know half of these songs?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 7:42 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's where all these songs rank on my yearly lists:
>

> God. Yet another list barf.

>
> > I'm a much bigger fan of Ray Charles before he sold out to Whitey with
> > all the violins and shit in the 60s.
>

> What a vile statement. Another line that casts serious doubt on your
> credibility as a "black-music spokesman."

If you saw "Ray" you saw the scene where he's talking to Quincy Jones
about this very subject. They used the term "gone middle of the road"
rather than "sold out" but the point is obvious, and then he comes out
with "Hit The Road Jack" to shut the critics of his wimpy stuff up.
Clearly you've never spent much time in the black community and have
no black friends who trust you enough tp speak frankly or you would be
aware of this very real thing among blacks. They don't like it when
one of them bows to whitey.

> And string arrangements play a sizable role in popular black music. Deal
> with it. Or...stop attacking others for having similar negative biases.

>
> > I think it's pretty clear that I'm a big James Brown fan. You claim to
> > be a fan, do you even know half of these songs?
>

> I didn't read the list.
>
> At this point, I'm a James Brown fan in the same way you claim to be a
> fan of countless acts: I haven't listened to him much beyond his top
> singles.

JB had 82 singles that made the top 20 on the R&B chart. Are you
saying you are only ineterested in the ones that the whites bought?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 8:36 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'm a much bigger fan of Ray Charles before he sold out to Whitey with
> > > > all the violins and shit in the 60s.
>
> > > What a vile statement. Another line that casts serious doubt on your
> > > credibility as a "black-music spokesman."
>
> > If you saw "Ray" you saw the scene where he's talking to Quincy Jones
> > about this very subject. They used the term "gone middle of the road"
> > rather than "sold out" but the point is obvious, and then he comes out
> > with "Hit The Road Jack" to shut the critics of his wimpy stuff up.
> > Clearly you've never spent much time in the black community and have
> > no black friends who trust you enough tp speak frankly or you would be
> > aware of this very real thing among blacks. They don't like it when
> > one of them bows to whitey.
>

> Your language was more vile than your sentiment. You sound like a
> posturing jackass, talking about "selling out to Whitey." And the
> meaningless insertion of "shit" is just you're trying to look tuff with
> profanity again.

That's how we talk. That's also how most inner city blacks talk. They
end many sentences with "and shit."

> > > At this point, I'm a James Brown fan in the same way you claim to be a
> > > fan of countless acts: I haven't listened to him much beyond his top
> > > singles.
>
> > JB had 82 singles that made the top 20 on the R&B chart. Are you
> > saying you are only ineterested in the ones that the whites bought?
>

> Not at all. But at this point, I'm a James Brown fan in the same way you

> claim to be a fan of countless acts: I haven't listened to him much

> beyond his top singles. The difference is that I don't claim to have a
> savvy, deep take on Brown in the way you claim to have one on, say, Pink
> Floyd.

The difference is that Pink Floyd's entire career occurred during my
lifetime, and I've heard most every track they released from the 60s
until maybe "The Wall." People I was friends with played their shit
when we were hanging out, driving, etc.....Like I said, they have
three songs that I think are good or better, See Emily Play is good,
Another Brick...is very good, and Money is great. There's a 4th (San
Tropez) that's a 5 (pretty good) on my scale. Everything else, for my
taste, is below average or worse.

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

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You come across to me as a guy who's ashamed of three-quarters of his own
heritage. Bizarre.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 8:47 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You come across to me as a guy who's ashamed of three-quarters of his own
> heritage.  Bizarre.

I'm only interested in black more than white when it comes to music of
the 60s and earlier. In most other aspects of life I'm much more
interested in the white lifestyles.

My heritage is mainly German, Polish and Lithuanian. The 25% black was
just a joke. But I was married to a black woman for 5 years.

[BobbyM]

On 6/15/2013 7:30 AM, poisoned rose wrote:

> Do you really think I didn't know the song title was originally singular?

It's obvious you didn't know it or you wouldn't have chastised the OP &
end up with egg on your face. Man up & move on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQSAPM23nqU

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:f57422f9-170b-4d26...@g8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

Ah, so you're an all-white guy who WISHES he was a black guy :-)

I'm guessing that you're somewhere near Philly. Maybe Camden or Cherry
Hill. Close?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 14, 10:19 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Bloomfield Buddy" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:f57422f9-170b-4d26...@g8g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

>
> > On Jun 14, 8:47 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> You come across to me as a guy who's ashamed of three-quarters of his own
> >> heritage.  Bizarre.
>
> > I'm only interested in black more than white when it comes to music of
> > the 60s and earlier. In most other aspects of life I'm much more
> > interested in the white lifestyles.
>
> > My heritage is mainly German, Polish and Lithuanian. The 25% black was
> > just a joke. But I was married to a black woman for 5 years.
>
> Ah, so you're an all-white guy who WISHES he was a black guy :-)

No, I don't want to be bkack, I just get much more from black music
than I get from most white music.

> I'm guessing that you're somewhere near Philly.  Maybe Camden or Cherry
> Hill.  Close?

My screen name in the group is from the town I live in, a suburb of
Newark, but I grew up in an all white town (Paramus) in Bergen County.

[RichL]

"The Bloomfield Buddy" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:823044ca-8abd-47e1...@m4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

Ahhh, rotten guess. I've visited Newark (long-time-ago girlfriend's sister
lived there) and been through Paramus a few times. Apparently (judging by a
map) I've been through Bloomfield as well (according to Google Maps, the GS
parkway passes through it) but I didn't know I had.

[Martin Grossman]

finally, we agree completely on something. it's the same reason I
preferred Dylan to Baez when the music of The Great Folk Scare had it's
brief moment of mass popularity.Some people will always prefer We Five
to Ian and Sylvia singing "You Were on My Mind," I suppose. More's the
pity.

--
Martin Grossman
www.martingrossman.net

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 14, 6:42 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Do you really think I didn't know the song title was originally singular?
>
> > It was originally plural.
>

> Oops, I meant to write "plural" and carelessly goofed.
>
> Now....

>
> Instead of obsessing over anal-retentive bookkeeping trivia like you
> always do, why don't you address the bigger picture: why you ferociously
> abuse others for not liking enough black music, yet shrug off so many
> indisputable black classics from the '60s.

You keep claiming I "shrugged off" songs because they were not among
my top 200 favorites of the decade. Those "induputable" black classics
you listed are the ones that were popular with white rock critics.
They are not the ones that are most popular in the black community.

Like I said, I prefer more raw black music than the white rock critics
like. We can say that my taste is more like the stuff that the Stones
liked (Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Slim Harpo) than what
the Beatles liked (Larry Williams, Motown, Ronettes).

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 12:08 am, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 6:42 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Do you really think I didn't know the song title was originally
> > > > > singular?
>
> > > > It was originally plural.
>
> > > Oops, I meant to write "plural" and carelessly goofed.
>
> > > Now....
>
> > > Instead of obsessing over anal-retentive bookkeeping trivia like you
> > > always do, why don't you address the bigger picture: why you ferociously
> > > abuse others for not liking enough black music, yet shrug off so many
> > > indisputable black classics from the '60s.
>
> > You keep claiming I "shrugged off" songs
>

> Actually, I said so just once. You just keep gnawing on the same post.

>
> > because they were not among
> > my top 200 favorites of the decade. Those "induputable" black classics
> > you listed are the ones that were popular with white rock critics.
> > They are not the ones that are most popular in the black community.
>
> > Like I said, I prefer more raw black music than the white rock critics
> > like. We can say that my taste is more like the stuff that the Stones
> > liked (Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Slim Harpo) than what
> > the Beatles liked (Larry Williams, Motown, Ronettes).
>

> More logical, self-serving shortcuts...casually interchanging the views
> of "white rock critics" with general renown...popularity in the black
> community interchanged with general popularity, etc.
>
> Like it or not, there are quite a few white people out there. You don't
> get to marginalize their views, just because they're the wrong race.

So you want the whites to decide what the best black music is because
there are more whites?

Do you also want Americans to decide what the best french wine is
because there are more Americans?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

> I just have the crazy idea that "white votes" don't count any less than
> "black votes." It's about overall numbers, not partitioning people into
> little boxes of varying weights to reach the conclusion you crave.
>
> And why do you think race is the most important criterion for
> determining someone's musical acumen?

You should ask Billboard that question. They've had a "Black Chart"
under various different titles (Race, R&B, Soul, Black) for 70 years
now. The chart measures which records are most popular among blacks.
Always has. It's not about a style of music, it's about which music
blacks listen to.

> You would be so much happier if you'd just stop neurotically trying to
> assure yourself 24-7 that your musical tastes are validated by others.
> Learn to cheerily accept your guilty pleasures.

There's no such thing as a guilty pleasure. Everybody is perfectly
fine to like whatever they want to like.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 12:33 am, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

" It's about overall numbers, not partitioning people into
> little boxes of varying weights to reach the conclusion you crave.
>
> And why do you think race is the most important criterion for
> determining someone's musical acumen?

You want to pretend that race has no bearing on music, but how do you
explain both that whites and blacks pretty much make totally different
sounding music, and that whites and blacks pretty much prefer
listening to mainly music made by people of their own race?

CLEARLY race plays a big part in what type of music a musician plays,
and even more of a part in what types of music that people prefer to
listen to.

There's not a lot of Alabama fans in the black sections of Newark, and
there's not many Latimore fans in the Hamptons.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 15, 1:02 am, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

< The amount of hostility
> toward black music you see on Usenet

There's not a lot of that. It's much more subtle. You're not coming on
here trashing black music. You and others are just championing all
your white favorites all the time and completely ignoring black
music.

When someone other than Dylan is talked about by one of the regulars
it's gonna be Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Phil Ochs, The Kinks, Joan
Baez, Neil Young, etc....it's not gonna be Bobby Womack or Don Covay
or Patti LaBelle or Kool and the Gang.

[Just Walkin']

On Jun 14, 6:17 pm, The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 14, 6:42 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> > > Using the top 200 taken from his beloved Digital Dream Door site as
> > > reference, here's a reminder of some of the songs Bruce snubbed
>
> > > The Temptations-My Girl
>
> > He bitches at me for not liking the Temptations enough.
>
> > > James Brown-It's a Man's Man's Man's World
> > > James Brown-I Got You (I Feel Good)
> > > James Brown-Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud
>
> > He bitches at me for not liking James Brown enough.
>
> > > Aretha Franklin-Chain of Fools
> > > Aretha Franklin-(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman
> > > Aretha Franklin-Think
> > > Aretha Franklin-I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)
> > > Aretha Franklin-I Say a Little Prayer
>
> > He bitches at me for not liking Aretha Franklin enough.
>
> > > Ray Charles-Georgia on My Mind
>
> > He bitches at me for not liking Ray Charles enough.
>

> Here's where all these songs rank on my yearly lists:
>

> MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1964:
> 52 ¦ My Girl ¦ Temptations
>
> MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1965:
> 81 ¦ I Got You (I Feel Good) ¦ James Brown
>
> MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1967:
>   7 ¦ Chain Of Fools ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 33 ¦ Do Right Woman, Do Right Man ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 56 ¦ Dr. Feelgood ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 64 ¦ I Never Loved A Man ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 103 ¦ Baby I Love You ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 104 ¦ A Natural Woman ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 115 ¦ Soul Serenade ¦ Aretha Franklin
>
> MY TOP RECORDINGS FROM 1968:
> 13 ¦ Since You've Been Gone ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 23 ¦ Think ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 127 ¦ I Say A Little Prayer ¦ Aretha Franklin
> 152 ¦ My Song ¦ Aretha Franklin
>
> MY TOP 100 RECORDINGS FROM 1960:
> 45 ¦ Georgia On My Mind ¦ Ray Charles
>

> I'm a much bigger fan of Ray Charles before he sold out to Whitey with
> all the violins and shit in the 60s.
>

> I think it's pretty clear that I'm a big James Brown fan. You claim to
> be a fan, do you even know half of these songs?
>

One of the greatest performers who ever lived. He's not called The
Godfather of Soul for nothing. But that appellation was tacked onto
his genius by white folks to enforce the segregation of fans by music
type. You see race ain't a natural thing, its a construct invented by
white people, a classification system permitting "us and them" social
modalities. Sadly, the music business has been complicit, in fact
instrumental, in the reinforcement of this system. See the evidence in
the posts? See how modern rock music further divides even as it
pretends to unite?

Yea verily, Mr. James Brown should have been King and Godfather of All
Music in his day. Who, pray tell, even came close? (And don't give me
that Elvis horsehockey...)

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 15, 12:43 pm, "Just Walkin'" <kensh...@comcast.net> wrote:

> You see race ain't a natural thing, its a construct invented by
> white people, a classification system permitting "us and them" social
> modalities. Sadly, the music business has been complicit, in fact
> instrumental, in the reinforcement of this system. See the evidence in
> the posts?

Exactly.

The whites who owned and ran Billboard had, and still have, a separate
chart to determine which records are popular with blacks. And while
the main chart is called the "Pop Chart" it's really the "white
chart." It measures which records are popular with mainstream whites
(as opposed to rednecks and hillbillies).

Amd most of the public thinks that way (us and them) whether it's
overt, or consciously, or subconsciously.

[Just Walkin']

And therein lies the problem that you find here and elsewhere: It's
not a matter of which side is better; it's a matter of thinking there
should be sides at all and then acting as if to make them that way. In
that way, fans become shills for the labels, using the power of
consensus among their own fabricated classifications to create a
powerful, cost-effective and highly targeted sales and marketing
machine that's lasted for generations.

But hey, no kayfabe, eh?

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

There's a quote by Brian Wilson somewhere where he says that him and
his friends were not into Elvis because he was a southern hillbilly
type. They liked Chuck Berry and Fats Domino and some other things,
but they did not identify with Elvis.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > The amount of hostility

> > > toward black music you see on Usenet [clip...see below]

> > There's not a lot of that.
>

> RIGHT. And if you were truly concerned about the noble cause of "black
> music" rather than just bullying people with your own tastes, you'd be
> going around defending RAP rather than R&B. Because THAT is where I
> routinely see shallow hostility being thrown around. Google "rap is
> (c)rap" and start from there.

>
> > It's much more subtle. You're not coming on
> > here trashing black music. You and others are just championing all
> > your white favorites all the time and completely ignoring black
> > music.
>

> If so, the appropriate retaliation would be for you to "subtly" champion
> all your black favorites. Instead of maniacally persecuting anyone who's
> "too white" to suit you.
>
> You're only illustrating what I wrote about your undue hostility. You
> know, the part of my sentence that you brutally chopped out: "...is
> grossly out of proportion to the amount of venom you pour out on the
> subject."

>
> > When someone other than Dylan is talked about by one of the regulars
> > it's gonna be Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Phil Ochs, The Kinks, Joan
> > Baez, Neil Young, etc....it's not gonna be Bobby Womack or Don Covay
> > or Patti LaBelle or Kool and the Gang.
>

> Why in the world should that surprise you? It's a Bob Dylan newsgroup,
> not a black-music newsgroup.

Bob Dylan played loads of black music on his radio show. He's not
stuck on one style of music like most of his fans seem to be.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 15, 4:16 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > The amount of hostility

> > > toward black music you see on Usenet [clip...see below]

> > There's not a lot of that.
>

> RIGHT. And if you were truly concerned about the noble cause of "black
> music" rather than just bullying people with your own tastes, you'd be
> going around defending RAP rather than R&B. Because THAT is where I
> routinely see shallow hostility being thrown around. Google "rap is
> (c)rap" and start from there.
>

> > It's much more subtle. You're not coming on
> > here trashing black music. You and others are just championing all
> > your white favorites all the time and completely ignoring black
> > music.
>

> If so, the appropriate retaliation would be for you to "subtly" champion
> all your black favorites. Instead of maniacally persecuting anyone who's
> "too white" to suit you.

I'll decide what's the appropriate response.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

> What a cop-out.
>
> And there it is -- the heart of the matter. You have made a conscious
> choice to be a maniac. You know that people do not deserve your
> abuse...it's just something that gets your rocks off.

>
> > > Why in the world should that surprise you? It's a Bob Dylan newsgroup,
> > > not a black-music newsgroup.
>
> > Bob Dylan played loads of black music on his radio show. He's not
> > stuck on one style of music like most of his fans seem to be.
>

> I haven't seen a particularly wide range of music on the playlists I've
> seen...it's just that, to YOU, musical diversity depends on race and
> nothing else.

I'm not saying Dylan's playlists are diverse, I'm saying that they're
not stuck on white singer-songwriter type music like he makes, and
like most members here seem to prefer. About half or more of what he
plays comes from black styles of music.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

> What a cop-out.
>
> And there it is -- the heart of the matter. You have made a conscious
> choice to be a maniac. You know that people do not deserve your
> abuse...it's just something that gets your rocks off.

Yes, I love it. AND MOST OF THEM do DESERVE IT.

What's your reason for abusing every poster you respond to?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

> You can't see anything but race. So, so sad how handicapped you are.

So, so sad how brainwashed you are to only be interested in white
styles of music.

Of those 1960s albums you own and want to own, how many of them were
by black artists doing black styles of music (which leaves out Hendrix
and Alvin Lee)?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

> Sorry, you've already acknowledged in this thread that they don't. You
> know your response is out of proportion, and you have no way of
> defending your maniacally abusive behavior beyond simply answering "I'll
> act the way I wanna...nyaah."

>
> > What's your reason for abusing every poster you respond to?
>

> What's your reason for continually debating with straw-man arguments?

I just left a message on your voice mail.

[BobbyM]

On 6/16/2013 6:31 AM, poisoned rose wrote:

> The Bloomfield Bloviator <sav...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> I haven't seen a particularly wide range of music on the playlists I've
>>>>> seen...it's just that, to YOU, musical diversity depends on race and
>>>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>>> I'm not saying Dylan's playlists are diverse, I'm saying that they're
>>>> not stuck on white singer-songwriter type music like he makes, and
>>>> like most members here seem to prefer. About half or more of what he
>>>> plays comes from black styles of music.
>>>
>>> You can't see anything but race. So, so sad how handicapped you are.
>>
>> So, so sad how brainwashed you are to only be interested in white
>> styles of music.
>

> Another redundant, straw-man argument. So, so boring. When are you going
> to get some fresh material? Albums don't matter...lyrics don't
> matter...black music....list regurgitation....zzzzzzzz....

>
>> Of those 1960s albums you own and want to own, how many of them were
>> by black artists doing black styles of music (which leaves out Hendrix
>> and Alvin Lee)?
>

> Alvin Lee? God, I'd never buy anything by him.

Bruce, I assume you meant Arthur Lee (of Love), who is black while Alvin
Lee of Ten Years After is white. They are both good or, in the case of
Arthur, was. Too bad Arthur Lee doesn't sound black enough for you; you
might actually enjoy more of his music if he were. Too bad you can't
accept the fact that even white guys with guitars can put out good music
& Alvin was in the top tier of guitarists to come out of the 60s.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 5:48 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I just left a message on your voice mail.
>

> You don't know my voice-mail number. You're just harassing my mother.

I'm not harrasing anybody. I left a very nice message on the voice
mail The message I got said that I reached the Broome residence, so I
assumed that means there is more than one Broome who uses the number.
If someone there tells me that they don't want me calling, I would not
call.

It's not like I tried to track down your ex-wife Natasha and get some
dirt on you or anything like that. By the way, I'm sorry to say that
we were both born on Sep 30.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 5:53 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/16/2013 6:31 AM, poisoned rose wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I haven't seen a particularly wide range of music on the playlists I've
> >>>>> seen...it's just that, to YOU, musical diversity depends on race and
> >>>>> nothing else.
>
> >>>> I'm not saying Dylan's playlists are diverse, I'm saying that they're
> >>>> not stuck on white singer-songwriter type music like he makes, and
> >>>> like most members here seem to prefer. About half or more of what he
> >>>> plays comes from black styles of music.
>
> >>> You can't see anything but race. So, so sad how handicapped you are.
>
> >> So, so sad how brainwashed you are to only be interested in white
> >> styles of music.
>
> > Another redundant, straw-man argument. So, so boring. When are you going
> > to get some fresh material? Albums don't matter...lyrics don't
> > matter...black music....list regurgitation....zzzzzzzz....
>
> >> Of those 1960s albums you own and want to own, how many of them were
> >> by black artists doing black styles of music (which leaves out Hendrix
> >> and Alvin Lee)?
>
> > Alvin Lee? God, I'd never buy anything by him.
>
> Bruce, I assume you meant Arthur Lee (of Love)

Yes

> Too bad you can't accept the fact that even white guys with guitars
can put out good music

Huh?

You've seen my lists of favorite songs. There's plenty of white guys
with guitars on them. I just have a problem with people who ONLY like
that kind of music.

[BobbyM]

I know you do but I can play the opposite card & say you don't have
enough of it in your collection or on your lists. And you do constantly
bring up Arthur Lee not sounding black enough. He sounds no more white
than Sam Cooke.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 5:48 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>

> > I just left a message on your voice mail.
>
> You don't know my voice-mail number. You're just harassing my mother.

This is listed as your phone number in the directory. Is this
incorrect?

Eric L Broome
Home (714) 992-0276
1868 W Las Lanas Ln
Fullerton, CA 92833-1862

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Yes, Sam sold out to Whitey on lots of his records.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 6:59 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > I just left a message on your voice mail.
>
> > > You don't know my voice-mail number. You're just harassing my mother.
>
> > This is listed as your phone number in the directory. Is this
> > incorrect?
>

> Yes, you unrepentantly demented person.

Which number should I call you on?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

On Jun 15, 6:41 pm, BobbyM <masseybNOS...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> I know you do but I can play the opposite card & say you don't have
> enough of it in your collection or on your lists.

I've got a ton of it in my collection. Don't forget I was a club DJ
for like 20 years. I've got a basement full of like 5,000 albums and
like 20,000 45's.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

> (973) 429-1317

LOL.....I thought it was gonna be a gay porno theatre or something.

[BobbyM]

DJs often play music they don't like.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

But it's in my collection.

[BobbyM]

OK, I'll rephrase my statement. If not for happenstance, you wouldn't
have enough "white guys with guitars" in your collection. Your lists of
favorites bear this out.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

How can you tell when there's enough WGWG?

[BobbyM]

How can you tell when there's not enough black music?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

When I see lists posted that don't contain ANY black music.

[BobbyM]

It's obviously not enough for you, but it's probably enough for a
particular person. Is anything really wrong with a person whose
favorite 100 or whatever number doesn't list any black artists? Does
that automatically mean they detest every black record ever made? Do
you have any Korean music in your top 10,000? Koreans comprise about
.6% of the US population, so you should have at least 60 Korean records
in your top 10,000 or at least something other than just that PSY record.

> How can you tell when there's enough WGWG?

I can't; but you can and have. AFAIC, it's an individual's choice of of
the kind of music the person likes or dislikes. My record collection
doesn't have to comply with any equal opportunity or civil rights laws.

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

There may not be anything wrong with the "person," but there is likely
something wrong with how he became exposed to music and/or how he
processes music when he hears it and/or he just hasn't had his musical
taste grow beyond what he's been conditioned to like by his
environment.

> Does that automatically mean they detest every black record ever made?

Usually not, but sometimes they like almost no black music at all.

> Do you have any Korean music in your top 10,000?  Koreans comprise about
> .6% of the US population, so you should have at least 60 Korean records
> in your top 10,000 or at least something other than just that PSY record.

PSY?

I only really collect music from 1973 and before. I don't think the
Korean population was that high in the USA in those dats, and even if
it was, that doesn't mean that 6% of all records released here are
made by Korean musicians.

> > How can you tell when there's enough WGWG?
>
> I can't; but you can and have.  AFAIC, it's an individual's choice of of
> the kind of music the person likes or dislikes.

Of course not.

 > My record collection doesn't have to comply with any equal
opportunity or civil rights laws.

This is not an issue of racism on the part of the individual music
fans. It's a case of conditioning and environment. My mission is to
get these people to THINK about why their musical taste has ended up
being like it is. I think any big rock fan who doesn't appreciate ANY
of the black forms of rock as much as he appreciates the white forms
of rock is really missing the boat. I may only turn around one out of
every 500 people who I bring this up to, but I can (and have) gotten
people to realize that they were missing out.

[BobbyM]

Good for you, but sometimes you start out with the big leather whip.
Those people will learn to respect the whip, not the music. And I can
make some of the same arguments about C&W. At least black artists got
their music on a lot of tiny radio stations in the north; C&W didn't
even have that luxury. I think NYC didn't have a C&W station until
sometime after that John Travolta movie. Do they still have one?

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Looks like they do:

http://www.nyradioguide.com/

Urban Twang: (January 21) Cumulus Media, owner of WABC (770 AM) and
WPLJ (95.5 FM), returned the sound of country music to the NY market
when it unveiled the new format for its latest station acquisition,
WXRP (94.7 FM), on Monday morning, January 21st. The station is
identified as "Nash FM". Cumulus completed its purchase of former WFME
(94.7 FM) from Harold Camping`s Family Stations on January 9th. The
religious programming heard on 94.7 since the mid-60s came to a close
on January 11th, after which Cumulus aired a simulcast of WPLJ and a
weekend of stunting. The station`s call letters, WRXP, lasted only two
weeks, with new call letters WNSH being adopted on January 29th.

There were stations in the area that played country at certain times
of the week in the 50s. One was in Newark. Guys who were around then
and liked country (Donn Fileti, Bill Olb) have told me about these
stations, but I don't remember the details.

Here's a guide to all the FM stations in NY

http://www.nyradioguide.com/freqlist.htm

And here's the AMers

http://www.nyradioguide.com/amlist1.htm

[The Bloomfield Bloviator]

Here's the NJ stations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_New_Jersey

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 16, 4:05 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:
> The Bloomfield Bloviator <savo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>

> > I only really collect music from 1973 and before.
>

> There is likely something wrong with how you became exposed to music
> and/or how you process music when you hear it and/or you just haven't
> had your musical taste grow beyond what you've been conditioned to like
> by your environment.

My environment conditioned me to like music from the late 70s and 80s,
but I don't really like much of it at all. Based on my environment,
growing up in an all white suburban town and going to high school in
the early to mid-70s, I shouldn't like 50s music much at all, but it's
by far my favorite era.

[RichL]

"poisoned rose" <pro...@poissonedrose.com> wrote in message
news:prose99-E18B08...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com...

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Sav...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My environment conditioned me to like music from the late 70s and 80s,
>> but I don't really like much of it at all. Based on my environment,
>> growing up in an all white suburban town and going to high school in
>> the early to mid-70s, I shouldn't like 50s music much at all, but it's
>> by far my favorite era.
>

> BTW, my recollection is that your "environment" also included a
> grandfather who owned a notable record label focused on black music. So,
> let's get honest here.

I wonder if that was part of the "25%" fable.

[The Bloomfield Buddy]

On Jun 16, 5:23 pm, poisoned rose <pros...@poissonedrose.com> wrote:

> The Bloomfield Buddy <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > My environment conditioned me to like music from the late 70s and 80s,
> > but I don't really like much of it at all. Based on my environment,
> > growing up in an all white suburban town and going to high school in
> > the early to mid-70s, I shouldn't like 50s music much at all, but it's
> > by far my favorite era.
>

> BTW, my recollection is that your "environment" also included a
> grandfather who owned a notable record label focused on black music. So,
> let's get honest here.

I saw my grandfather less than 10 times in my life. He lived away from
my grandmother with a girlfriend somewhere, and while he made money
recording black artists, he thought that the music was shit that only
niggers would be interested in. Besides, the heydey of his label came
from before I was born. By the time I was old enough to care about
music all he was releasing was gospel music. He did not even attend my
bar mitzvah, and never once came to our house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Records