"post modernism" and "the summer of love"
ken
"the summer of love," then read the discussions over
trying to discover what was the meaning behind the
term, "post modernism."
perhaps--in both cases--each term is used by a
particular writer as an attempt to capture a feeling
or mood or era distinct to that own writer's
perspective.
others, reading the first author's presentation, grasp
the phrase and embellish upon it.
over time, the phrase is meant to actually convey
"something," when, it actually, it might, by itself,
connote nothing.
or, as Beckett might have said, "nothing."
terms like "summer of love" and "post modernism,"
while handy, serve no distinct purpose of representing
reality to the all peoples everywhere.
for instance, for all those that went through a
painful divorce or death or other type of similar loss
during June-August 1968, i rather doubt they might
term that period "the summer of love."
in like manner, many of those living currently "in the
moment," may consider today to be the modernist era,
and the era after themselves the "post modernist" era.
likewise to those living another generation from now
who consider themselves "modernist."
meanwhile, people shuck and jive and nod their heads
and agree upon a generally received definition of
terms and loosely bandy around these terms as if they
actually "mean" something.
in actually, phrases like these mean nothing in
relationship to real events in a real universe, except
to those who mutually agree upon the terms and
subsequent definitions.
do people in Bopal agree that the summer of '68 or '69
or whenever is "the summer of love"?
of course not.
it reminds me of "the media's" attempt to label the
'80's (in America) the "Me Decade."
i haven't heard a supposition for the 01's yet...maybe
they have forgotten...
or how about Michael Jackson self-proclaiming himself
the "King of Pop."
this was a media campaign direct from his camp e-mail
and faxed around the world.
no third party benefited him that title.
yet today, it is difficult to find a news story
without that appendage attached.
until people refuse to accept that which is spoon fed
to them without question or consideration, we are
doomed to contend with phrases like "summer of love,"
"post modernism," "king of pop," and even, "the voice
of his generation."
and, as history proves, if enough people use the same
term for long enough, it is bound to stick. ask any
English Lit major.
ken
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<dyla...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> in actually, phrases like these mean nothing in
> relationship to real events in a real universe, except
> to those who mutually agree upon the terms and
> subsequent definitions.
That's pretty much the definition of language: sounds that mean
nothing until people mutually agree on their definition. No word
exists that you could not make that claim about.
> until people refuse to accept that which is spoon fed
> to them without question or consideration, we are
> doomed to contend with phrases like "summer of love,"
> "post modernism," "king of pop," and even, "the voice
> of his generation."
The term "modernism" when used this way has a specific meaning,
referring to the ideals and societal principles of a fairly
specifically defined period of time. It does not mean "modern" in the
sense of being merely recent. The word can, of course, also be used
that way, but that is not the case here. I think that accounts for a
lot of the confusion/resistance. In the art world, for example, it is
no more a bogus term than, say, impressionism. No one would have a
problem seeing a work of art as having been created in an era "after
impressionism," but since "modern" is often used in other aspects of
life interchangeably with "current," there is a better chance for
misunderstanding when something is called "post modern."
http://www.infed.org/biblio/b-postmd.htm
John
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Dennis J Green
ken wrote:
>
> for instance, for all those that went through a
> painful divorce or death or other type of similar loss
> during June-August 1968, i rather doubt they might
> term that period "the summer of love."
Just to set it straight 1967 was THE Summer Of Love. The summer of Sgt Pepper
and the single All You Need Is Love. The other song of that summer was If You're
Going To San Francisco (be sure to wear a flower in your hair) sung by Scott
McKenzie: everyone dreamed of going to the Haight (I wish I went). I graduated
high school June of 67 and remember it well.
That Sept at schools & colleges across the nation, long hair, love beads, granny
glasses, nehru jackets, Day-Glo posters, etc. were all the rage: hippiedom
flowered - wasn't it a time.
1968 was the summer of violence in Chicago during the DNC.
Summer of 1969 started the Woodstock Nation but ended with the grim reality of
the violence and killing at Altamount
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Marcel
>
>
> do people in Bopal agree that the summer of '68 or '69
> or whenever is "the summer of love"?
>
> of course not.
'cause even in bollywood they know it was '67
marcel
68 was the summer of lust and 69 was the summer of love's labours lost.
martin blank
Dennis J Green wrote:
> ken wrote:
>
> >
> > for instance, for all those that went through a
> > painful divorce or death or other type of similar loss
> > during June-August 1968, i rather doubt they might
> > term that period "the summer of love."
>
> Just to set it straight 1967 was THE Summer Of Love. The summer of Sgt Pepper
> and the single All You Need Is Love. The other song of that summer was If You're
> Going To San Francisco (be sure to wear a flower in your hair) sung by Scott
> McKenzie: everyone dreamed of going to the Haight (I wish I went). I graduated
> high school June of 67 and remember it well.
> That Sept at schools & colleges across the nation, long hair, love beads, granny
> glasses, nehru jackets, Day-Glo posters, etc. were all the rage: hippiedom
> flowered - wasn't it a time.
>
> 1968 was the summer of violence in Chicago during the DNC.
>
> Summer of 1969 started the Woodstock Nation but ended with the grim reality of
> the violence and killing at Altamount
>
boy have you been brainwashed
vic
Billgoldman
I think we should call the new literary and cultural critical theory Summer
of Love Theory. Do you think it'll stick?
ken <dyla...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Joshua L. Miller
> term for long enough, it is bound to stick. ask any
> English Lit major.
You're askin' one, friend. Particularly one who is specializing in
post-modernism.
For all of you actually interested in this sort of thing, check out
Fredric Jameson's "Postmodernism, Or, the Cultural Logic of Late
Capitalism (Post-Contemporary Interventions Series)." Pick it up from
the local library. It's a good read.
I bet he'd agree with a couple of your points, but disagree with a
couple others.
-Josh
Tricia J
wrote:
there's a publishing opportunity for you, Josh - "The Idiot's Guide to
Post-Modernism". I think there may already be one in that "Beginner's
Guide To... " series, actually.
jem@seesig
jlmi...@uiuc.edu (Joshua L. Miller) was prompted to remark:
>> and, as history proves, if enough people use the same
>> term for long enough, it is bound to stick. ask any
>> English Lit major.
>
>You're askin' one, friend. Particularly one who is specializing in
>post-modernism.
>
>For all of you actually interested in this sort of thing, check out
>Fredric Jameson's "Postmodernism, Or, the Cultural Logic of Late
>Capitalism (Post-Contemporary Interventions Series)." Pick it up from
>the local library. It's a good read.
I have 'read' it. But I prefer "Empire" by Michael Hardt and Antonio
Negri. "Empire" is a beautiful and extraordinary read and is, I
believe, one of the most important documents to have been published in
modern and post-modern times. As one of the blurbs says, "it is a work
of visionary intensity." Indeed it is.
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