of the 3 albums Toom,L & T and MT which is best?
Richard
'comeback'.Noted it was # 2 album of the decade in a newsmagazine's
assessment.Depends on who you are,TOOM was overproduced at times and
Dylan proved that
Jack Frost could get the job done.
Mr Jinx
I think Time Out Of Mind was the greatest achievement. To turn around
a decade of bad reviews like that was quite something.
"Love & Theft" was an extraordinary leap. Nothing prepared me for
that one. (Well, maybe Dogs Run Free did).
Modern Times is a beautiful record that has its own mesmerising inner
logic.
Together Through Life is another leap (sideways and sneaky - dipping
in another ancient and modern well) and the Christmas album is just a
riot.
Latter-day Dylan is a genre of its own now. Tell Tale Signs simply
adds to an overwhelming case. And Frankie Lee tells me this last U.S.
tour is the greatest of the whole NET.
Happy modern times for us all, my friends.
Mr Jinx
(as for choosing between these works, my own favourite today - and on
many days - is "Love & Theft" but I'll disagree with myself tomorrow
and yesterday, I'm sure).
Giuseppe Gazerro
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Love And Theft is the best by far and large, in spite of three useless
fillers.
Time Out Of Mind works better as an *album* but when all is said and done
even highlands and not dark yet don't belong to the best dylan.
Modern Times has 2 masterpieces, then just fillers and some inaudibile
tracks, too.
And what about TTL?
After all I think it's a definitely mediocre album, but it deserves to be
quoted as one of the comeback albums, doesn't it?
--
beppe
www.giuseppegazerro.com
http://www.youtube.com/GiuseppeGazerro
gemjack
<giusepp...@tin.it> wrote:
>And what about TTL?
>After all I think it's a definitely mediocre album, but it deserves to be
>quoted as one of the comeback albums, doesn't it?
I haven't quite been able to embrace it yet. For some reason I see it
as a not-so-important album. In time I may likely change my mind.
Some albums take a while to grow on me.
-gj
Mr Jinx
> "Richard" <huntington1...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:7dbe1c94-155b-4da0...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Has anybody else got a copy of the inaudible tracks that Beppe
mentions from his copy of Modern Times? I'd love a copy of them.
I remember Lennon once releasing an inaudible track. Turned out to be
better than a lot of his solo work.
Mr Jinx
P Callas
I find Love & Theft, Modern Times, and Together Through Life to be
typical Dylan albums where the albums are a collection of songs, some
brilliant and some boring. Time Out Of Mind is a rare album where not
only do I like every song, but the whole feels like more than the some
of the parts... the same way I feel about Blood on the Tracks and Slow
Train Coming.
Martin
Giuseppe Gazerro
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I definitely agree.
Except for the fact that I'm not a TooM fan so I would never ever compare it
to BooT.....still yes, it is ( like STC and/or Nashville Skyline) , an
album which is better than its single songs.
Martin
> I definitely agree.
> Except for the fact that I'm not a TooM fan so I would never ever compare it
> to BooT.....still yes, it is ( like STC and/or Nashville Skyline) , an
> album which is better than its single songs
I think I agree too. With the exception of the first track, L&T is an
album of brilliant songs
Mr Jinx
Tweedle Dum & Tweedle Dee sets the themes of the album out very
nicely, I think. The push and pull. The power struggles ("One of the
boss' hangers-on" etc etc).
"I fought with my twin (that enemy within)"
Also at the time of 9/11 with the West and East polarised and
Democrats not in love with Republicans Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee
seems most relevant.
Musically the track is a Blues, of couse. Who could take exception to
a Blues (except a racist or someone who doesn't like air, earth, water
and fire)?
Mr Jinx
Giuseppe Gazerro
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I'd say with the exception of Moonlight and the 3 useless blues.
I've never disliked TD&TD.
Mr Jinx
> "Martin" <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggionews:efd85763-1aef-457d...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
We know you struggle to appreciate the Blues, Beppe. You routinely
dismiss Blues tracks as 'filler' (as if Dylan chooses the Blues form
because he can't come up with another type of tune!)
Of course he may discard many other types of tune in favour of the
Blues.
Mr Jinx
Janice
> . . . Time Out Of Mind is a rare album where not
> only do I like every song, but the whole feels like more than the some
> of the parts... the same way I feel about Blood on the Tracks and Slow
> Train Coming.
They're all great, but I agree, Time Out of Mind is special.
Just out of curiosity, are the albums Good As I Been To You & World
Gone Wrong considered "transition" albums if the "comeback" (or new
era) albums seem to start with TOOM? Or?
The liner notes on WGW are great. Froggy on GAIBTY is wonderful.
Here's Bob's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCoIds5rts
Tex Ritter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJLbMVgS-E
The Monongahela Duck Club Band, neo-avant-garde-folk-rock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjIwuefGDQ
Nick Cave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3skvmwxfA
The New Dylan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ovAZ0h-II
I'm havin' fun.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Way down yonder in a hollow tree
Martin Grossman
Martin Grossman
some memorable lyrics.
crazytimes
To me, they're comparable in their latter-day impact (to a lesser
degree, of course) to Highway 61 Revisited, Blonde On Blonde, and John
Wesley Harding... and as three-in-a-row, they kind of match-up and
achieve what the previous set of three do as albums unto
themselves...
The first in the trilogy is the one that makes the big spash with the
hit single, then the Tombstone/Dirt Road rush-off on a blues trip,
etc, and is seen as the more historically important, but musically and
to Dylan's career...
The second in the trilogy is the one where he shows more of what he
can do and the different patterns he can weave while still holding the
general elevated pattern, and the songs just keep coming one after the
other, and it is seen by many as the superior album of Dylan's of that
era...
And the last one is more obscure and is practically in recovery mode
from all the activity and energy generated and expelled by the two
previous albums... But it's seen as a good or great album in its own
right, and is still bound to be someone's very favorite Dylan
album...
So of course it comes down to TOOM vs. L&T... What's better?...
Depends what you're in the mood for...
Giuseppe Gazerro
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> He probably meant "unlistenable."
No, man.
I meant inaudible.
Had I wanted to mean *unlistenable*, I'd have said *unlistenable*
;-)
Giuseppe Gazerro
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On Jan 8, 9:39 am, P Callas <pcal...@zoo.uvm.edu> wrote:
> . . . Time Out Of Mind is a rare album where not
> only do I like every song, but the whole feels like more than the some
> of the parts... the same way I feel about Blood on the Tracks and Slow
> Train Coming.
<They're all great, but I agree, Time Out of Mind is special.
<Just out of curiosity, are the albums Good As I Been To You & World
<Gone Wrong considered "transition" albums if the "comeback" (or new
<era) albums seem to start with TOOM? Or?
Obviously.
I don't know about you, but I consider no cover album as a *real* album.
Dylan, Good, World, Christmas....even DitG and SP are not *proper* Dylan
albums, in my opinion.
We've recently discussed this.
Tell Tale Signs is much more a *real* Dylan album than any of his many (more
than 20?) post Under The Red Sky records.
(except for Toom, LAT and MT of course)
Giuseppe Gazerro
> "Giuseppe Gazerro" <giusepp...@tin.it> wrote:
>
>> > He probably meant "unlistenable."
>>
>> No, man.
>> I meant inaudible.
>> Had I wanted to mean *unlistenable*, I'd have said *unlistenable*
>> ;-)
>
> insult between music fans, but......get your ears checked. ;)
To my ears :) he most obnoxious insult, let alone silly, I heard in NGs is
*are you on drugs*?
:)
tif
One of the better things you could ever do, hoo hoo
for yourself hah hah
and for all that's gone wrong hoo hoo.
Mr Jinx
> "Janice" <jan...@dixoncreekstudio.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:9561ee69-075d-428c...@m25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
What are you talking about, Beppe?
Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
not 'proper' or 'real'?
Dylan is still being Dylan when he is playing Blues or covering
songs. In fact it may even be that when doing these things he shows
us even more of his true nature than he does on his so-called 'proper'
recordings.
Mr Jinx
Jumbo
L&T, MT & TTL are all great. Couldn't choose between them. TooM is
spoiled by the production in terms of longevity.
The blues L&T, MT and TTL are all wonderful tracks imo, but I think
two of the blues on TooM are stilted.
Giuseppe Gazerro
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<What are you talking about, Beppe?
I swore I'd never answer anymore to people introducing ideas with silly and
childishly rethorical questions like these, but I'll make one exception as
the subject here might be interesting.
<Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
<not 'proper' or 'real'?
Yes, it does in a way.
The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
musician, actually.
So I'd never talk about Elvis's *music*, so as to say or I'd never say *this
is a Presley song*.
With Elvis this is not a problem becuase that ( a singer and not a
songwriter) is what he was supposed to be.
But Dylan is not a mere singer, he is a musician and a composer.
He doesn't just *sing songs*, he's an artist tout court, he's an artist *as
a whole*
So when he writes a cover album, no, that does not sound a *proper* dylan.
That's an additional record, an excellent album, that might be a shit, that
might be pure bliss.
But it's not *a new Dylan album*
(same way live albums are NOT *proper* dylan albums, regardless of their
greatness; *hard rain* is my alltiime fav dylan, go figure how much
*greatness* is implied here....)
<Dylan is still being Dylan when he is playing Blues or covering
<songs. In fact it may even be that when doing these things he shows
<us even more of his true nature than he does on his so-called 'proper'
<recordings.
This is your opinion, so you're entitled to it.
Of course, I do not agree.
To say nothing of the fact that Dylan, for you, is still Dylan at his best
when he shits, so I do not reckon you're too good in recognizing his *true
nature*
You think Tarantula is a novel (and a great one, to boot), don't you?
Jumbo
> "Mr Jinx" <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:0fc958d9-b417-45d3-95f5-
>
> <What are you talking about, Beppe?
>
> I swore I'd never answer anymore to people introducing ideas with silly and
> childishly rethorical questions like these, but I'll make one exception as
> the subject here might be interesting.
>
> <Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
> <not 'proper' or 'real'?
>
> Yes, it does in a way.
> The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
> musician,
Happy new year, Beppe!
Notwithstanding that, imo, to say great singers are not musicians is
preposterous.
Mr Jinx
The question we perhaps need to ask ourselves is: Where does art truly
reside?
Beppe thinks that the only proper way to deliver art is in presenting
self-written compositions. And yet what are we to make of the
'proper' Dylan composition Hard Rain (which leans of Lord Randall)?
Does it become improper? And does Masters of War lose its 'proper'
credentials just because it borrows the tune from Nottamun Town?
There is, of course, no such thing as an 'original' song. So what we
have to bear in mind when considering Dylan's work is that his art may
well reside in other areas than what simply appears on the page. In
fact I think Dylan is closer to Elivs than Beppe would care to admit.
Mr Jinx
gemjack
<giusepp...@tin.it> wrote:
><Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
><not 'proper' or 'real'?
>
>Yes, it does in a way.
>The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
>musician, actually.
>So I'd never talk about Elvis's *music*, so as to say or I'd never say *this
>is a Presley song*.
>With Elvis this is not a problem becuase that ( a singer and not a
>songwriter) is what he was supposed to be.
Elvis was an entertainer. A true song and dance man that whored
himself out in every way. Not that that's always a bad thing, as you
say, it's sort of what he was supposed to be. But putting Elvis on
the level of Dylan is absurd.
If only Dylan had licked his sunglasses maybe he'd have won some Elvis
fans over.
-gj
Jumbo
> On Jan 9, 2:37 pm, Jumbo <ch...@cupolagallery.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 2:31 pm, "Giuseppe Gazerro" <giuseppegaze...@tin.it> wrote:
>
> > > "Mr Jinx" <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> > > news:0fc958d9-b417-45d3-95f5-
>
> > > <What are you talking about, Beppe?
>
> > > I swore I'd never answer anymore to people introducing ideas with silly and
> > > childishly rethorical questions like these, but I'll make one exception as
> > > the subject here might be interesting.
>
> > > <Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
> > > <not 'proper' or 'real'?
>
> > > Yes, it does in a way.
> > > The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
> > > musician,
>
> > Happy new year, Beppe!
>
> > Notwithstanding that, imo, to say great singers are not musicians is
> > preposterous.
>
> The question we perhaps need to ask ourselves is: Where does art truly
> reside?
>
> Beppe thinks that the only proper way to deliver art is in presenting
> self-written compositions. And yet what are we to make of the
> 'proper' Dylan composition Hard Rain (which leans of Lord Randall)?
> Does it become improper? And does Masters of War lose its 'proper'
> credentials just because it borrows the tune from Nottamun Town?
Yes, when people talk about "proper" this and that, they sound like
old aunts and uncles drinking tea and tutting at people spitting. A
Dylan album is an album by Dylan, live, dead, covered, exposed, what
have you.
Mr Jinx
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:31:15 +0100, "Giuseppe Gazerro"
>
Elivs was used and abused. But Dylan doesn't think Elvis was merely
an entertainer.
Mr Jinx
Mr Jinx
Quite.
The only improper Dylan album would be one on which Dylan was too
proper.
Mr Jinx
Weatherman
lovers
of Dylan's more impromptu style.
gemjack
If Dylan told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
-gj
Martin
> If Dylan told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
There was a story awhile ago about a boy who met Alec Guinness and
asked for his autograph and told him he'd seen Star Wars so many times
he knew every line. Alec Guinness said if he wanted the autograph
he'd have to make one promise - never see Star Wars ever again
Martin
> Yes, when people talk about "proper" this and that, they sound like
> old aunts and uncles drinking tea and tutting at people spitting. A
> Dylan album is an album by Dylan, live, dead, covered, exposed, what
> have you
When people talk about "what have you" this and that, they sound like
the kind of people that get excited about stationary. What are you
hiding from us?
P Callas
> On Jan 8, 2:57 pm, "Giuseppe Gazerro" <giuseppegaze...@tin.it> wrote:
>
> > I definitely agree.
> > Except for the fact that I'm not a TooM fan so I would never ever compare it
> > to BooT.....still yes, it is ( like STC and/or Nashville Skyline) , an
> > album which is better than its single songs
>
> I think I agree too. With the exception of the first track, L&T is an
> album of brilliant songs
I've found when reading rmd that songs that don't do much for me are
often ones that others find to be great, and vice versa. For
instance, I've never found Bye and Bye or Po' Boy to be all that
interesting.
gemjack
Ever see the SNL episode when Shatner told the trekkers at a
convention to get a life?
-gj
Martin
> Ever see the SNL episode when Shatner told the trekkers at a
> convention to get a life?
No, but taking this into account: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hTtsqiFCc
was he really in a position to say that?
Martin
> I've never found Bye and Bye or Po' Boy to be all that
> interesting
Two of my favourite post Oh Mercy songs
tif
Now, now Mr. Jinx, don't be so hard on Dylan, give the fellow a chance
to play out that one out too ___ if he so ever gets tempted. It may
require a great stretch of our imagination to see Dylan that way,
but one thing seems obvious : the fellow is not afraid to stretch out
and inhabit new characters and attributes and so I would bet Dudley’s
5 that Bob Dylan has it in him to be an ordinary fellow in an
extraordinary way. That, like a little drummer, like a working man who
got rid of his blues, he has it in him to ordinarily remain steady and
focused on the task at hand.
Twenty or even ten years ago he might not have been able to actualize
that part of himself, there was way too much hurt and anger in him,
feelings that needed to be experienced and transformed. However it
seems to me that now things have changed and a certain measure of
healing has taken place. But heh, what do I know, that’s just an
opinion of mine of course, it could even be a projection of my own
state of consciousness unto his, I mahself was older then, I am so
much younger now.
Sometimes it takes having explored the limits of the extraordinary _in
any field_ to be able to gracefully settle into the ordinary and
discover how amazingly unique this can also be.
tif
Martin
> I am less interested in a new Dylan album which is live or all covers,
> but I'd never say they aren't truly a proper/new Dylan album. That's
> pretty ridiculous
I agree with this statement, although the merit of a covers album is -
in the last 20 years at least - often greater than an original
collection (eg GAIBTY Vs MT: GAIBTY is a far more enjoyable and
inspiring album)
badlands420
>(eg GAIBTY Vs MT: GAIBTY is a far more enjoyable and
inspiring album)
This is a pretty bold opinion to be announcing as fact.
Janice
> The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
> musician, actually.
Ah beppe... if you were as musically challenged as I am, if you could
only honk out wobbling catcalls in a sad & pathetic attempt to sing as
I do, you would know just how mistaken you are. Singers ARE musicians
-- their instrument is their voice.
Elvis isn't a mere singer, his voice is an instrument... as a matter
of fact, besides Frank Sinatra & Dylan, he is THE male voice of the
20th century. I doubt the man had any life at all, so tied was he to
his instrument which demanded a life of its own.
> So I'd never talk about Elvis's *music*, so as to say or I'd never say *this
> is a Presley song*.
Except that he stamped songs like Blue Suede Shoes & Hound Dog &
Heartbreak Hotel (and so many more) with his unique voice, and they
are considered *his* songs.
> But Dylan is not a mere singer, he is a musician and a composer. . .
> So when he writes a cover album, no, that does not sound a *proper* dylan.
> That's an additional record, an excellent album, that might be a shit, that
> might be pure bliss.
> But it's not *a new Dylan album*
To my way of thinking, Dylan's covers are an education... not only are
they are clues to his thinking, his influences, and his state of mind,
they are also travelogues through time & space, and give voice to
cultures and stories that might otherwise be forgotten.
His versions of these stories are always unique, and affirm the
universal threads that run through our human stories whether they were
once sung before a campfire or extracted from silvery discs by a beam
of light.
He makes them his stories just as completely as he does his own
compositions, and in doing so, he brings us into his vision and gives
the songs new life. It *is* a new Dylan album.
~`~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Well, I'll forsake my house and home,
And I'll forsake my baby.
I'll forsake my husband, too,
For the love of Black Jack Davey.
Ride off with Black Jack Davey."
Giuseppe Gazerro
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*Good as I been to you* more inspiring than *Modern Times*
Said by a true Dylan fan, not a troll.
I'll write this down as a memo.
:)
Giuseppe Gazerro
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On Jan 9, 9:31 am, "Giuseppe Gazerro" <giuseppegaze...@tin.it> wrote:
.
<Elvis isn't a mere singer, his voice is an instrument... as a matter
<of fact, besides Frank Sinatra & Dylan, he is THE male voice of the
<20th century. I doubt the man had any life at all, so tied was he to
<his instrument which demanded a life of its own.
Sure.
You're perfectly right.
But Dylan IS NOT a singer; (not only, that is)
So whereas *any* Presley song is a *proper* Presley performance/record
(though not Presley's!!!), in the case of Dylan it's all different.
<He makes them his stories just as completely as he does his own
<compositions, and in doing so, he brings us into his vision and gives
<the songs new life. It *is* a new Dylan album.
I keep on disagreeing on this.
As much as he might have made those stories *his*, they still remain not
*his*.
So I respect your so well phrased opinion but I still think that they are
not the real dylan albums.
Another example that springs to my mind is *dylan* vs. *freewheelin'*.
I've never been able to consider the first more than a *vernissage*, while
the second is, IMO, Dylan's FIRST album.
(in my opinion)
:)
Martin
> This is a pretty bold opinion to be announcing as fact
Haven't we got past the point where we need to add 'in my opinion'?
It's such a drag having to do that
Giuseppe Gazerro
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Yes.
True.
Gentlemen never expect in my opinion.
They take it for granted.
Jumbo
wrote:
> "Janice" <jan...@dixoncreekstudio.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:a7cdeede-0b42-460e...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 9, 9:31 am, "Giuseppe Gazerro" <giuseppegaze...@tin.it> wrote:
>
> .
>
> <Elvis isn't a mere singer, his voice is an instrument... as a matter
> <of fact, besides Frank Sinatra & Dylan, he is THE male voice of the
> <20th century. I doubt the man had any life at all, so tied was he to
> <his instrument which demanded a life of its own.
>
> Sure.
> You're perfectly right.
> But Dylan IS NOT a singer; (not only, that is)
> So whereas *any* Presley song is a *proper* Presley performance/record
> (though not Presley's!!!), in the case of Dylan it's all different.
>
> <He makes them his stories just as completely as he does his own
> <compositions, and in doing so, he brings us into his vision and gives
> <the songs new life. It *is* a new Dylan album.
>
> I keep on disagreeing on this.
> As much as he might have made those stories *his*, they still remain not
> *his*.
> So I respect your so well phrased opinion but I still think that they are
> not the real dylan albums.
> Another example that springs to my mind is *dylan* vs. *freewheelin'*.
> I've never been able to consider the first more than a *vernissage*, while
> the second is, IMO, Dylan's FIRST album.
> (in my opinion)
> :)
How you can consider Freewheelin' a proper Dylan album with Corrina,
Corrina and Honey Just Allow Me One More Chance on it, I just can't
fathom. The first proper album is Times they are a changin', everyone
knows that. Now scuse me while I go shag an envelope or what have you.
Martin
> Except that he stamped songs like Blue Suede Shoes & Hound Dog &
> Heartbreak Hotel (and so many more) with his unique voice, and they
> are considered *his* songs
Richard
> On Jan 8, 9:39 am, P Callas <pcal...@zoo.uvm.edu> wrote:
>
> > . . . Time Out Of Mind is a rare album where not
> > only do I like every song, but the whole feels like more than the some
> > of the parts... the same way I feel about Blood on the Tracks and Slow
> > Train Coming.
>
> They're all great, but I agree, Time Out of Mind is special.
>
> Just out of curiosity, are the albums Good As I Been To You & World
> Gone Wrong considered "transition" albums if the "comeback" (or new
> era) albums seem to start with TOOM? Or?
>
> The liner notes on WGW are great. Froggy on GAIBTY is wonderful.
>
> Here's Bob's:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCoIds5rts
>
> Tex Ritter:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFJLbMVgS-E
>
> The Monongahela Duck Club Band, neo-avant-garde-folk-rock:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjIwuefGDQ
>
> Nick Cave:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW3skvmwxfA
>
> The New Dylan:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ovAZ0h-II
>
> I'm havin' fun.
>
> ~`~
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> Way down yonder in a hollow tree
consider them excellent albums- transition? - back to writing again?
let onhearers label them
Richard
>
> - Show quoted text -
AgreeD
Martin
> Stilted?
gemjack
<giusepp...@tin.it> wrote:
>I've never been able to consider the first more than a *vernissage*, while
>the second is, IMO, Dylan's FIRST album.
>(in my opinion)
I as well.
-gj
Richard
that explains everything
Jumbo
No, Martin, that's stiltON, ON.
You really need to learn your cheeses.
tif
Smile, Martin, you are on candid camera.
badlands420
>Haven't we got past the point where we need to add 'in my opinion'?
>It's such a drag having to do that
Basic courtesy is never a drag.
Martin
> Basic courtesy is never a drag
Haven't I been contributing here long enough for you to know that I
don't make statements like that 'as fact'?
tif
Yes, particularly as it goes along with a certain degree of
humility that is too often missing. It emphasizes that some others
will always feel and think differently than we do, as it should be in
a creative universe.
Each single creative entity aims to bring out... well... a personal
statement, i.e. a ray of his/her own brand of clarity. "In my
opinion" is a good reminder. It allows one to freely add one's spice
to the collective stew and also help cool bitter passions.
So there! In my opinion.
Jumbo
Splutters in his muesli-malt-wheatie-and-paper clip breakfast.
(Actually, I didn't.)
In my opinion, you vent opinions as facts fairly often, just like the
rest of us and what have you.
As for this "(proper) gentleman crook their little fingers and never
say 'in my opinion', in my experience, vast as it isn't, of true
gentleman, they are cowards who like to hide behind spurious "codes",
especially when called on talking silly.
Martin
> Yes, particularly as it goes along with a certain degree of
> humility that is too often missing
Humility? Fuck that
Martin
> In my opinion, you vent opinions as facts fairly often, just like the
> rest of us and what have you
For your information, I made it a point of fact as it were to use the
phrase pretty consistently up until a few months ago, when it began to
seem as unnecessary to me as a little smiley face on it's side, as it
were. It's pretty fucking Tom Petty to pick people up for using a
sentence with that phrase, particularly a long standing contributor
such as Beppe, for Christ's sake. If he says Dylan is not a singer I
assume he believes it's a fact. As I've read his posts for years, I'd
also presume he allows the rest of us to think otherwise, as it were
innit
Martin
> It's pretty fucking Tom Petty to pick people up for using a
> sentence with that phrase
I meant without that phrase, the phrase being 'in my opinion'
Mr Jinx
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 07:06:26 -0800 (PST), Mr Jinx
>
>
>
> <vernon__bris...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 9, 3:02 pm, gemjack <geminijackso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:31:15 +0100, "Giuseppe Gazerro"
>
> >> <giuseppegaze...@tin.it> wrote:
> >> ><Elvis did not write his own material. Did that make all of his albums
> >> ><not 'proper' or 'real'?
>
> >> >Yes, it does in a way.
> >> >The very fact that Elvis did not write songs makes him a singer and not a
> >> >musician, actually.
> >> >is a Presley song*.
> >> >songwriter) is what he was supposed to be.
>
> >> Elvis was an entertainer. A true song and dance man that whored
> >> himself out in every way. Not that that's always a bad thing, as you
> >> say, it's sort of what he was supposed to be. But putting Elvis on
> >> the level of Dylan is absurd.
> >> If only Dylan had licked his sunglasses maybe he'd have won some Elvis
> >> fans over.
> >> -gj
>
> >Elivs was used and abused. But Dylan doesn't think Elvis was merely
> >an entertainer.
>
> >Mr Jinx
>
> If Dylan told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
> -gj
No, but if Bobbie Gentry did I might.
Mr Jinx
Janice
> As for this "(proper) gentleman crook their little fingers and never
> say 'in my opinion', in my experience, vast as it isn't, of true
> gentleman, they are cowards who like to hide behind spurious "codes",
> especially when called on talking silly.
Not all of us here are gentlemen, gentlemen.
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Martin
> Not all of us here are gentlemen, gentlemen
Quite right
Jumbo
Jumbo
Martin
Just Walkin'
>
> > If Dylan told you to jump off a bridge, would you?
> > -gj
>
> No, but if Bobbie Gentry did I might.
>
> Mr Jinx
>
tif
Funk 101 rules
Jumbo
Cha cha nok
Martin
Mr Jinx
Don't get up, ladies, I'm only passing through.
Mr Jinx
Martin
> Don't get up, ladies, I'm only passing through
Is that a case of Bob walking into the wrong lavatory again?