For Anyone Having Trouble With Christmas In The Heart - Last Minute Advice
Martin
enjoy it all the way through, I think the piano and guitar are
sounding very nice. The warm chords in the crooning songs are great
to hear too, as there's been a distinct lack of them on recent Bob
Dylan albums. Anyway, I've narrowed it down to the following which I
think make a good little EP length collection:
Little Drummer Boy
Do You Hear What I Hear?
The Christmas Song
The Christmas Blues
Must Be Santa
Silver Bells
The remaining tracks I find hard going, either because of his voice
(Here Comes Santa Claus is horribly raspy) or because they're all
about fucking Jesus (just kidding, I do however think most of the
religious songs are - surprisingly - the least convincing as sung by
Bob)
chris
Abernathy building(home to TTRH studios) when over the edge, and that
Bob was drunk, lost a bet and croaked out those other songs. For me,
the only ones I have in my play list now is Little Drummer Boy and
Must be Santa. The Christmas Blues was on the list but the cheesy
lyrics are worth the little bit of nice harmonica sound...sigh. i
have tried and tried to just let them be songs, just let bob have a
tad bit of adventure, but it's the cheesy lyrics or those darn andy
williams singers that kill it for me mostly.
chris, who never thought she'd see this day
Martin
> chris, who never thought she'd see this day
Don't worry Chris, you can always concentrate on these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmkhknKBxY0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiAatOu5JE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tEKLwFaVTw&feature=related
Recorded AFTER the Christmas album..!
gemjack
<martin...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>I've been persevering with the album and, although still not able to
>enjoy it all the way through, I think the piano and guitar are
>sounding very nice. The warm chords in the crooning songs are great
>to hear too, as there's been a distinct lack of them on recent Bob
>Dylan albums. Anyway, I've narrowed it down to the following which I
>think make a good little EP length collection:
>
>Little Drummer Boy
>Do You Hear What I Hear?
>The Christmas Song
>The Christmas Blues
>Must Be Santa
>Silver Bells
>
No Christmas Island?
>The remaining tracks I find hard going, either because of his voice
>(Here Comes Santa Claus is horribly raspy) or because they're all
>about fucking Jesus
hmm.... In high school I went out with a girl that wanted to be a
witch and got REAL personal with a crucifix once. Just saying.
-gj
Martin
> No Christmas Island?
The munchkins drive me a bit mad on that one
> hmm.... In high school I went out with a girl that wanted to be a
> witch and got REAL personal with a crucifix once. Just saying
Nice story, thanks for that. Happy Christmas
Just Walkin'
>
> The remaining tracks I find hard going, either because of his voice
> (Here Comes Santa Claus is horribly raspy) or because they're all
> about fucking Jesus
>
anyone's messiah...
crazytimes
I'd think that Bob did it for the charity angle and for the fun of
it... Even he must realize that there's better Christmas music out
there than his release... But that's what happens when you step out
of your musical genre; you run the risk of getting run over by a pack
of reindeer...
Martin
> I'd think that Bob did it for the charity angle and for the fun of
> it... Even he must realize that there's better Christmas music out
> there than his release... But that's what happens when you step out
> of your musical genre; you run the risk of getting run over by a pack
> of reindeer...
I agree, and it doesn't bother me that on my favourite Radio 4
programme I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue, Tim Brooke-Taylor added a line
'I've lost my credibility' during his rendition of Bob's version of
Winter Wonderland, or that the host Jack Dee said it was the first
time in the show's history that the contestant's version was better
than the original. I think Bob's brave to release the album, as it
leaves him vulnerable to all kinds of criticism. That's how freedom
of speech works though isn't it - the audience has the freedom to
express it's views, however unworthy they may be
Mr Jinx
If you take the awkward gnarly bits out of Dylan you no longer have
Dylan. Some people might like to sort out the skewed perspectives in
Picasso's work, or straighten those pesky floppy clocks in Dali's
work. Neaten it at all up. But what do you lose?
Dylan's Christmas In The Heart is an awkward, raw, bloody beast. It
has some melody (as highlighted in your over-long e.p.) but it also
has rawness and gravity. This is what saves it from being an Andy
Williams album.
As for that Jesus fellow you mention: Some might say he was central
to any Christmas story. I expect Bob realised it would be a mistake
to erase him altogether from the album.
Mr Jinx
Martin
Well, I think I got off lightly there - thanks!
Mr Jinx
(If you do press up that e.p. I'd like a copy -- especially with a
nice Betty Page picture on the inside cover).
Happy Christmas, Martin.
Mr Jinx ;-)
Dr_dudley
> about fucking Jesus (just kidding, I do however think most of the
As a true believer to a nonbeliever, the preferred locution is "Jesus
fucking Christ".
That said, there is everly last minute shopping, but there are
severally years open in future to acceptance of the CitH as an LP. As
thnigs grow.
After all, IaWL was a flop initially.
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIy1vQFgMjA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsEY7DwwK-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9StkwFjENo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh4pRkOHZ5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMchQP0ynE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUzfS4lKIo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYylyEhx9pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LmvvOSwKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7i0HgomVs
}
(end of pause)
an' so i answer my recording engineer
"yes. well i could use some help in getting
this wall in the plane"
{
Have yrSelf (a merry little christmas),
dudley
Martin
> As a true believer to a nonbeliever, the preferred locution is "Jesus
> fucking Christ"
That's an Americanism, isn't it? An English person saying that would
sound like a real douchebag
Dr_dudley
> On Dec 22, 11:17 am, Dr_dudley <dud...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> > As a true believer to a nonbeliever, the preferred locution is "Jesus
> > fucking Christ"
>
> That's an Americanism, isn't it?
No, sir. That is the preferred locution.
> An English person saying that would
> sound like a real douchebag
I can't argue that.
Now bring us the figgy puddynge.
& a Santa's Butt.
Peace on earth to (wo)men of good will,
dudley
gemjack
It's an equivelant to Goddamn. Sometimes a Jesus H Christ will
suffice if in mixed company.
-gj
Martin
> It's an equivelant to Goddamn. Sometimes a Jesus H Christ will
> suffice if in mixed company
Okay, thank you
frinjdwelr
"gemjack" <geminij...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1320j5lrsic1tc328...@4ax.com...
I've always liked that Lenny Bruce joke about if Jesus had been born at
another time and place, people would be going around with little electric
chairs on chains around their necks.
Just Walkin'
>
> I've always liked that Lenny Bruce joke about if Jesus had been born at
> another time and place, people would be going around with little electric
> chairs on chains around their necks.
>
Actually, in a way, the species martyred the poor people of Hiroshima
and Nagasaki so that no other cities might face nuclear horror.
Perhaps we all ought to be wearing little mushroom clouds hanging from
chains around our necks...and worship the big one.
Martin
> I've always liked that Lenny Bruce joke about if Jesus had been born at
> another time and place, people would be going around with little electric
> chairs on chains around their necks
Bill Hicks did a similar routine that's very good
Janice
Dear dudley,
> If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIy1vQFgMjA
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsEY7DwwK-8
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9StkwFjENo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh4pRkOHZ5Q
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMchQP0ynE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPUzfS4lKIo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYylyEhx9pw
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LmvvOSwKM
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP7i0HgomVs
Music, and Christmas, is in the heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LmvvOSwKM
> Have yrSelf (a merry little christmas),
> dudley
And to you, dudely. Happy Day!
~`~
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Martin
> Dylan's Christmas In The Heart is an awkward, raw, bloody beast
It's Christmas Eve, and I've just given my truncated CITH it's first
public hearing. It went down very well - no family members
complaining about the rusty vocals at all. The Christmas Song is the
current favourite
glimmerblue
>
> - Show quoted text -
Love the Xmas CD and Im so glad he did do this.... love the art work
so very retro.. everthing Bob does pretty much seems to be good i
guess " HE can't Help it if he's lucky" this especially the ones he
did make videos of .. not for everyone but again this is a Dylan group
so I am guessin most of the people around here have given it a
listen !!!
also have a happy holidays.. do not get on here to post much just
wanted to wish all a Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!!!..
Dr_dudley
Thanks very much for your contribution, and i hope that whatever you
celebrate was worthy of celebration.
On Dec 29, 10:46 pm, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
> Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> >Little Drummer Boy
>
> I just heard this, and at the end, when he sings the very
> last verse, he sounds tired to me.
This statement might fall into an interesting "human dynamic", that
what we hear (or otherwise experience) is a reflection of our own
internal mechanics.
To you he sounds tired; to me he sounds softly, unironically
reverential.
The best that he is able.
Possibly because i am.
He surely doesn't sound like someone's uncle who's dipped too deeply
into the spiked punchbowl, a theme that crops up in many online and
inprint articles.
Certainly this song has been in my life time beyond remembrance; the
history is wiki'd:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Drummer_Boy
Certainly, subthematically, i can't determine if it's one of those
"secular Christmas songs written by a person of the Jewish faith", a
theme that crops up in many online and inprint articles.
Here's bob's, ref(v)erentially:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXW0Se4HMs
Here's Harry Simeone's (1958):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfpb8d9I_2A
>
> But also with the other songs: I am often not convinced that
> he really cares for the songs. It seems to me as if he cared
> even more for every single song of »Selfportrait«. Of course,
> he does not have to care, as long as the music entertains
> the audience, but right now those christmas songs make me
> feel bored.
>
Again, at the risk of repeating myself, this statement might fall into
an interesting "human dynamic", that what we hear (or otherwise
experience) is a reflection of our own internal mechanics.
I'm convinced, upon close examination, that he does care for these
songs in an intensely heartfelt manner.
As best as he is able.
Possibly because i do.
I'm hindered in evaluating bob's performance on CitH (not the
instrumentation and arrangements, which are exemplary) because all too
often i find mySelf singing along, finding the harmony line i wd've
sung in church or festive community, when i used to engage in such
things.
I agree that he also "cared for" the songs on SP, but disagree to
degree.
As to feeling bored, that's that human dynamic i'm referring to: when
i'm bored, i get up and do something.
I might've learned that from bob, but i'm not sure where.
There is this, NonXmasly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3DK3-GbWak
> Also, I found another »christmas song« he sang. At least
> it mentions »christmas morning«: »Arthur McBride« on
> »Good as I Been to you«.
Yes'm. We've covered this, but here's another Paul Brady version. He
performed it as early as '74. This performance is undated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ7Is1ZR_SQ
That said, i've tried in earnest to conform to civil discourse, all
respect to yr perspective acknowledged.
Take it, but take it easy,
dudley
+++
More Paul Brady:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9MJVqsOFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3pIka25YU
As to another Paul, Clayton, whose "Gotta Travel On" both Bob & Buddy
covered, here's his "Lady Franklin's Lament" from 19 aught and 54:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZE7LSx3Pvg
Elsewhere:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-c-n7ssAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP3spauYdxs
Done layd around done stayd around
this auld towne too long
Judy Collins - "Farewell to Tarwathie":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV29xK2xyZ4
buffy sainte marie - The Dream Tree:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCTT09rgYsA
o ya'll still hear?
Buffy Sainte-Marie - God is Alive, Magick is Afoot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GonR4S1to
rwalker
wrote:
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>
> When I heard this first, I used to believe that �to cut like
> a knife� was his invention, while �to wash clothes down� was
> common English, but it seems to be just the other way round:
> �to cut like a knife� has an entry in en.wiktionary.org, while
> nobody is really sure what �to wash clothes down� means.
>
>
Just idiomatic American English for doing the laundry.
tif
> Dear Stefan,
>
> Thanks very much for your contribution, and i hope that whatever you
> celebrate was worthy of celebration.
>
> On Dec 29, 10:46 pm, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>
> > Martin <martingayf...@yahoo.co.uk> writes:
> > >Little Drummer Boy
>
> > I just heard this, and at the end, when he sings the very
> > last verse, he sounds tired to me.
>
> This statement might fall into an interesting "human dynamic", that
> what we hear (or otherwise experience) is a reflection of our own
> internal mechanics.
>
> To you he sounds tired; to me he sounds softly, unironically
> reverential.
>
> The best that he is able.
>
> Possibly because i am.
Possibly because he brings you alive?
Sweet Darkness
(by David Whyte)
When your eyes are tired
the world is tired also.
When your vision has gone
no part of the world can find you.
Time to go into the dark
where the night has eyes
to recognize its own.
There you can be sure
you are not beyond love.
The dark will be your womb
tonight.
The night will give you a horizon
further than you can see.
You must learn one thing
The world was made to be free in.
Give up all the other worlds
except the one to which you belong.
Sometimes it takes darkness and the sweet
confinement of your aloneness
to learn
anything or anyone
that does not bring you alive
is too small for you.
(from The House of Belonging)
> More Paul Brady:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_9MJVqsOFYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3pIka25YU
>
> As to another Paul, Clayton, whose "Gotta Travel On" both Bob & Buddy
> covered, here's his "Lady Franklin's Lament" from 19 aught and 54:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZE7LSx3Pvg
>
> Elsewhere:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-c-n7ssAYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP3spauYdxs