I concur the gentleman from Texas, albeit with certain reservations.
As a former country-western dance club musician, I was able to take
advantage of the enhanced opportunities for gigs that line dancing has brought
about. It is, however, quite annoying having to field requests for songs
that are totally unsuited to fiddles, steel guitars, and country music the
way God and Mr. Bob Wills intended it to be played.
And, as much as I hate to admit it, there IS some historical precedent to
certain line dances. Have you ever heard of/seen a dance called a Paul
Jones? Next time you're at a dance club, watch very carefully when they do
a dance called a 'Barn Dance' (usually to a tune called the 'Wild Wild
West' which is not at all country). There ARE similarities!
But I belive there is hope. I have noticed that a certain percentage
of individuals who come out to line dance actually end up dancing with
each other eventually. It is only a matter of time; common sense will
tell us that if you throw enough women in boots and jeans at enough
single males something has GOT to happen.
(Suggestion) Perhaps some of our 'friends in low places' can investigate
line dancing the way they did secondhand cigarette smoke...:-|
(Blatant self-promotion): I would like to invite the gentleman from
Texas and any other like-thinking individuals in Washington City to come
hear the SLIM JIMS on Saturday July 16th at the Dixie Grill, across from
Ford's Theater. If line dancing annoys you, we won't.
Thank you for your time.
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I have to agree 200%. Having recently moved to Las Vegas from Oregon,
I found it quite annoying to hear a bunch of rock and rap songs at all
the "country" clubs. I have yet to figure the attraction of dancing
by ones self when there are so many attractive women who one could
dance with. I think this recent surge in Line Dancing is due to the
influx of young listeners who are listening not because they like the
music but because they think it is the "in" thing to do. They are
trying to bring their rock 'n roll attitude into the country bar. I
for one hope this is just a passing fad and not something which sticks
around for the long run.
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Keith Smith ............. Mama's don't let your
ro...@omar.ISRI.UNLV.EDU ............. cowboys grow up to be babies!
> Men and women should go to country dance clubs to dance with
> each other.
Line Dancing, its pros and cons.
Pro: you don't need a partner
Con: you only get to play with yourself
Pro: you don't need creativity or style
Con: there's no one to appreciate your creativity or style
Pro: you don't have to ask a woman to dance
Con: you don't get to hold a perfect stranger in your arms
within 15 seconds of meeting her
Me, my mind is made up ..
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> And, as much as I hate to admit it, there IS some historical precedent to
> certain line dances. Have you ever heard of/seen a dance called a Paul
> Jones? Next time you're at a dance club, watch very carefully when they do
> a dance called a 'Barn Dance' (usually to a tune called the 'Wild Wild
> West' which is not at all country). There ARE similarities!
Those are not line dances: they are called 'mixers'. Choreographed
partner dances. I can enjoy them every once in a while.
> common sense will
> tell us that if you throw enough women in boots and jeans at enough
> single males something has GOT to happen.
There has to be something wrong in the upbrining of most guys,
because practically everywhere there are more women than men.
Guess the guys are more interested in watching football on tv
than holding a gall in their arms...
: Those are not line dances: they are called 'mixers'. Choreographed
: partner dances. I can enjoy them every once in a while.
Good point. 'Course, I always thought a 'mixer' was the thing the old
line dancers ask the sound man to turn down and the young line dancers ask
him to turn up..
OK, fine, so you don't like it, but why spoil someone else's fun? I love line
dancing and get a lot of pleasure out of it as do many people. Who cares how
people dance to country and western music, I reckon there should be room for
everyone, couples, line dancing etc. As an Australian who has recently moved
to the US I am glad people here are dancing to country music in such a big
way!
By the way, I's love to go to Texas and visit some real dance-clubs, it only
happens only a very small scale here in Pennsylvania.
SD
Alright - I was line dancing when I was 10 years old, but then it was a
type of bluegrass folk dancing. I really enjoyed it tehn - I did not
go to bars to do it, but also that was 20 years ago.
Now, I go to bar in the UP and line dance. It's great fun and has been
interesting to meet people who are not at teh university. We go
and dance and talk. It is similar to the barn dances I went to growing
up in Kentucky. I find it a great way to learn something not related to
my research and a great tension reliever. I am also learning couples
dances, but like most of the dancers, I am female and there are not
enough men who enjoy this type of entertainemnt.
I also find it tedious to keep trying to find a guy to take to couples
dances - most of the men I know say - "You want ME to go DANCE?!"
So line dancing for me is a great compromise... besides that it's fun.
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I always thought a mixer was something you put Jack Daniels into, if you
were a wimp.
h. kelly ('hic') shuldberg
hke...@kitsune.abq.nm.us
Albuquerque, "it's 107 today, but it's a dry heat..." ...
Sorry fans, the "NM" melted.
Well please come on down! Go to the Broken Spoke. Have a good time!
....but don't line dance. It's frowned upon there, at least by the
regulars.
Judy
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Funny - I thought a 'mixer' was something you put in a shot of bourbon.
Alan
Close Al. A 'mixer' is something you *shouldn't* put in a shot
a bourbon ;-)
- pleb retort
Come on down and dance then. But don't line dance, it's frowned on here.
For example, a friend of mine recently witnessed a passel of line dancers
at Dance Across Texas. The DAT guys (bouncers or something) actually
asked them to leave. As to there being room for everyone... No, actually
there's not. Two steppin' and line dancing are incompatible unless they
each have their own area of the floor. Two steppers actually *move* around
the floor. When you mix the two, it basically becomes "Line Dancer Bowling".
Zac
I don't speak for IBM. I don't work for IBM. I won't let them claim
my views.
Meet better guys ;) . I don't think you would have that problem in Texas, by
the way.
>
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>But don't line dance, it's frowned on here.
>For example, a friend of mine recently witnessed a passel of line dancers
>at Dance Across Texas. The DAT guys (bouncers or something) actually
>asked them to leave.
Surely that doesn't happen at all clubs down your way, does it?
>As to there being room for everyone... No, actually
>there's not. Two steppin' and line dancing are incompatible unless they
>each have their own area of the floor. Two steppers actually *move* around
>the floor. When you mix the two, it basically becomes "Line Dancer Bowling".
I know that, and I agree, they each need their own area. But surely there are
clubs big enough in Texas (everything's big in Texas, afterall) to have those
kinds of facilities!
SD
The solution is simple: it's the fault of the DJ for not having floor
control. In every place I've been, save the Saddle Rack in San Jose,
the DJ has had control of the floor, actually ANNOUNCING what line or
special couples dance was coming up. Those who want to do a dance
actually WAIT for it to be called. IF there's room in the middle
for some couples swing, then it's done there.
I usually find that 1/2 the time is given to traditional couples dances,
1/4 to line dancing, and 1/4 to specials couples dancing, like the
Cowboy Cha-Cha, the Horseshoe, the Drifter, etc.
Everybody is happy. What's wrong with this?
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What's WRONG with this??? What are we talking about here?
Dancing and socializing or an aerobics class??? I DO NOT
want any DJ telling me when I can do what dance. What if
they play one of my favorites and they call out a line
dance? Forget it!
What am I argueing for anyways? I don't go to places with
(gag!) DJs and I don't go to places where they line dance.
Is there no soul left in C&W dancing? sigh....
Judy
I speak for no one but myself.
judy%jkfrels.aus...@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com
Nothing wrong whatsoever. As a matter of fact we do the same
thing here at our club. We either announce what dance is
coming up and, if there are more than one dance that can be
done then the DJ directs the folks to separate areas of the dance
floor. This way couples and line dances, even different line
dances can co-exist peacefully on the dance floor. You're
right, someone (DJ or other responsible person) should
maintain floor control. How about the person counting off the
dance to start (how does this work in other places)?
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"Five, Six, Seven, Eight"
Hopefully, the DJ will actually be on beat while doing so.
> "Five, Six, Seven, Eight"
Even for waltzes such as Waltz Across Texas :-)
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: > "Five, Six, Seven, Eight"
:
: Even for waltzes such as Waltz Across Texas :-)
One of the last country-dance places I played, I started counting off
for the dancers in this manner - using various Mel-Blanc-inspired voices.
(Elmer Fudd was a bust, as there are no r's or w's in Five, Six, Seven,
or Eight. <Awwww....>
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: In article <CsA2C...@Unify.com>, d...@Unify.com (Dale Shaver) writes:
: > Ya know, the more I read about this "couples dancing" vs. "line dancing"
: > argument, the more I hear about each needing their own space on the floor.
: >
: > The solution is simple: it's the fault of the DJ for not having floor
: > control. In every place I've been, save the Saddle Rack in San Jose,
: > the DJ has had control of the floor, actually ANNOUNCING what line or
: > special couples dance was coming up. Those who want to do a dance
: > actually WAIT for it to be called. IF there's room in the middle
: > for some couples swing, then it's done there.
: >
: [snip snip]
: >
: > Everybody is happy. What's wrong with this?
: >
: What's WRONG with this??? What are we talking about here?
: Dancing and socializing or an aerobics class??? I DO NOT
: want any DJ telling me when I can do what dance. What if
: they play one of my favorites and they call out a line
: dance? Forget it!
: What am I argueing for anyways? I don't go to places with
: (gag!) DJs and I don't go to places where they line dance.
I like the fact that, at the Saddlerack, they provide separate
floors for line dancing and social dancing. It would be nice,
though, if they called suggested dances for newbies; typically,
a particular song lends itself well to a given dance, such as
WCS or 2-step, or some specialty dance, and the extra hint could
be useful (places like Sh-Boom's on Wednesdays are especially
good about that; D&D, OTOH, is more like the 'Rack).
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> judy%jkfrels.aus...@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com wrote:
>
> : In article <CsA2C...@Unify.com>, d...@Unify.com (Dale Shaver) writes:
> : > Ya know, the more I read about this "couples dancing" vs. "line dancing"
> : > argument, the more I hear about each needing their own space on the floor.
> : >
> : > The solution is simple: it's the fault of the DJ for not having floor
> : > control. In every place I've been, save the Saddle Rack in San Jose,
> : > the DJ has had control of the floor, actually ANNOUNCING what line or
> : > special couples dance was coming up. Those who want to do a dance
> : > actually WAIT for it to be called. IF there's room in the middle
> : > for some couples swing, then it's done there.
> : >
I dance at Whiskey River in Chicago, not the world's biggest dance floor,
and we get along find without all this. We have what we call dance floor
etiqute. In the center of the floor and line dancers and swingers, and any
other "staitionary" type of dance. around the outside we have 2 lanes of
traffic always moving counter clockwise of dancers. The inner circle is
for slow movers, the outter for people who like to move fast when couples
dancing. If it's a particularly popular line dance, they usaully take up
90% of the floor, so the couples dancers take a break. Also, couples
dancers tend to show up either early or late, or on week days when the
floor is less crowded.
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Judy wrote:
" What's WRONG with this??? What are we talking about here?
" Dancing and socializing or an aerobics class???
You're talking about everyone's right of expression to a given piece of
music. I can remember MANY similar opinions expressed by die hard C/W
dancers when Tom Mattox was introducing WCS to our C/W dance events.
People were really in a tangle about "those inconsiderate WCS dancers" in
the middle of the floor during "OUR" schottische music... HOW DARE THEY...
^^^^^^
Judy continues:
" I DO NOT
" want any DJ telling me when I can do what dance. What if
" they play one of my favorites and they call out a line
? ^^
" dance? Forget it!
^^^^^^^^^ so..., your 'wants' should be honored over that of
others. Why...?
" What am I arguing for anyways? I don't go to places with
" (gag!) DJs and I don't go to places where they line dance.
Sounds like a really good idea...
" Is there no soul left in C&W dancing? sigh....
^^^^
Sure there is... look at Hip Hop !
Oops, I forgot. You don't like line dances :)
One of the better qualities that I like about many C/W dancers, Judy's
notwithstanding, is the tolerance they show towards other dancers,
line or partner. There are quite a few venues where neophyte dancers are
not welcomed with open arms. I much prefer dance floor etiquette to dance
floor snobbery. In most cases, there is room for sharing the floor with
line dancers - assuming dance etiquette has been taught.
Your not alone Judy. I too, am disappointed when I want to enjoy a fast two
step but a large number of people want to do a line dance. But, I look upon
it as, "it's their turn to shine and I'll sit this one out and watch".
Tolerantly yours,
--
Ken Navarre
Well, with this in mind, I guess we'll see people in elf suits on the
dance floor afore too long. Or nekkid & painted with a nice blue woad.
Yeah, let's express ourselves.
(Try the above at the Quihi Sons of Hermann, hoss. Or around Borger
& Muleshoe....)
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(Hey, that's ME !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^_
Oh, yeah, and like, everyone who wears Garth Brooks or Brooks and Dunn
flaming shirts, cowboy hats with big feathers and hatbands, big belt
buckles or belts that hang down from the left side, pointy-toed boots
with gold or silver tips, and all of the other trappings, yea, they
pretty much dress that way in real life, too...
Uh-huh...
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KN" You're talking about everyone's right of expression to a given
KN" piece of music.
LB" Isn't that exactly what Judy was saying? That you shouldn't have to
LB" wait for your dance to be called?
LB" That you can express youself by dancing the dance YOU choose,
LB" not what is called. (True, there is a bit of snobbishness in her tone
LB" as she states she doesn't go to places with DJs or line dances.
Yeah, well. While I sit up here from my lofty perch criticizing Judy's
comments, I have to admit that in the night club scene things aren't
always what we'd like to see. I tend to accept that when I walk in
the door. Judy has found a partial solution to her frustration and has
opted to avoid such places. I would hope that she would let the club
management know about her feelings and that she will not be spending any
money there because of the frequent line dances and the lack of dance
etiqutte. If more people did that perhaps night clubs would be a more
pleasant place to visit. It's worked in some places and might work in many
others. (including non-smoking night clubs)
Judy continues:
"" What am I arguing for anyways? I don't go to places with
"" (gag!) DJs and I don't go to places where they line dance.
KN" Sounds like a really good idea...
LB" We won't miss her!
I don't know about that. I know quite a few people who have similar
feelings who are great dancers and their absence is missed. If dance
classes (in the clubs especially) taught more dance floor etiquette
then a lot of the problem would go away.
I too, get frustrated when one of my favorite songs is played and MY
dancing is interfered with. But as often as not it is because some
(snobbery alert...) "bar room twostepper" has intruded into my space just
as I was setting up for one of my favorite 'expressions of the dance'.
Should we also object to dancers with poor skills as well as line dancers?
As far as DJ's... well, at least they can keep the beat...
One of my main complaints with DJ's is that annoying habit of talking over
the music! When was the last time that you heard a musician talking over
the music their band played? Get a clue DJ's!
Spin the CD and turn the dancers loose. If you've got something to say,
do it between the songs not during them...
KN" : Tolerantly yours,
LB" You, tolerant? Since when? (please note the sarcasm and save me a dance!)
Hey, I'm working on it OK?
My therapists (all 3) say I'm *almost* ready to be allowed into public for
a few hours once or twice a month...
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Ken Navarre
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: // and wait for them to petrify
Your right on the mark. There are two main places to dance in Boise. One has
a large dance floor. The instructor there does not teach dance floor
ettiquette, and the only thing anyone dances there is C/W Swing, and it is
more like slam dancing. You'd be taking your life in your hands if you
tried to two-step around the edge of the floor.
On the other hand, Rockin' Rodeo, where I like to go, has a smaller dance
floor, but everyone gets an opportunity to do their dance. The difference
is the emphasis on dance floor ettiquette from the instructors and the DJ.
People go out of their way to avoid bumping someone, and if they do, there
is ussually an immediate apology. But, most of us there know each other, if
not by name, at least by sight, and we all seem to want everyone to have
their turn at having fun. So,instead of competeing for space on the floor
and making difficult for everyone to dance, everyone tends to give eachother
the space they need to dance well.
But, I still would like a floor like you're talking about. It would be great
to have room for two sets of two-steppers around the edge.
Stu Wilcox
dance floor