My favorite part is
"Shania will probably never be able to accomplish any effectively deep
work in her career unless she can somehow find the sinister side to
sleeping with your socks on.
Definitely a top choice for pop/soft rock/country/contemporary/musak
fans. As tempting as it is to say "That Don't Impress Me Much", I
can't because that would be tacky and the album itself is deliriously
fun."
"The lyrics are simply magnificent as long as you can appreciate Shania's
complex political satires. Lines such as "You're a fine piece of real
estate, and I'm gonna get me some man" must have extensively deep meaning,
otherwise I'd consider the lyrics ridiculous"
To me it's just a cute line mixing metaphors right ?
Regardless of how shallow that song is, you know the part where she
sings "Don't get wrong cause I think your all right but that won't
keep me warm.. etc" THAT part is THE part, it's a satisfying hook that
sticks in your mind that's what makes a hit, even if 75% of the songs
stinks as long as you have a hook you're in business.
When I first heard the album I only liked maybe 4 songs, but now that
I've given them a good listen to, I really like them all. Some sound
much better played in the country theme, while others are much better
sounding on the pop CD. Maybe I got it wrong but I don't listen to
music to try to find the deep dark meaning behind everything. I listen
to it because I find it fun to sing along to or pass the time. Isn't
that what music is for? It's not political and doesn't always have to
make sense, it's a form of art - hence the name artist. I don't
understand why people are so judgmental of her because of the whole
country vs pop thing. She could have just released a country version
and said this is what you get. Personally, I'm very grateful she put
in the extra time, effort and money to please everyone even though
that part seems to be going unnoticed.
I also happen to like the Red CD better than the other two so I don't
agree with his comment "The lyrics barely fit the synthesized pop
beats and must have been created for twangy guitars" The reviewer
must be a country fan and if that's the case, shouldn't be reviewing
the pop version, stick to reviewing the country version.
Finally their comment: "Having one of the highest selling albums ever
must be tiring, which could explain the massive 5 year gap between
Shania's albums."
So you mean she isn't allowed to take time off to become a mother? In
real life I think they call it maternity leave. It also means she put
some effort into it as opposed to just slapping something together and
trying to capitalize on the good results of her Come on Over album
like some other artists tend to do.
My apologies for venting. I just think she's a really nice person and
doesn't deserve all the flak she keeps getting.
Bart
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Mike
Yes it is, but those who can't write good pop songs and are jealous of
those who can and are successful at it often like to pretend they
write deep meaningful stuff that's just not "radio friendly" and put
pop writers down, yet they quote people like Lennon and McCartney as
some of there favorites?
hnmmmm could that be why most of us in the COUNTRY newsgroup don't
care for Shania? Because we listen to COUNTRY not POP?
Once again you can thank Stan for trying to stir up trouble in here. Stan
will you stop and act like an adult if you even have a clue how to.
> I also happen to like the Red CD better than the other two so I don't
> agree with his comment "The lyrics barely fit the synthesized pop
> beats and must have been created for twangy guitars" The reviewer
> must be a country fan and if that's the case, shouldn't be reviewing
> the pop version, stick to reviewing the country version.
Bart -
You know, I am a professional music critic, sort of.
(http://www.newsreview.com/issues/reno/authors/joncornell.asp)
And my editor has assigned me to review pop punk, Christian rapcore, techno,
college rock, new metal, blues, and adult contemporary bands. I assure you
that these are not all genres that are necessarily to my taste.
My point is that I don't think it should be a requirement to review
something that you must like its genre. A good reviewer is capable of
giving a fair review of anything he hears. At least, I always try to be
fair. (On the other hand, I haven't given out a negative review yet -
whenever I don't like something, I usually just report on it factually,
without offering any opinion at all).
And always keep in mind that a review is nothing more than an opinion. I've
only listened to Shania singles, but I do have to say that they strike me as
overproduced to the point that I have no emotional response to them. And
Shania may be the only songwriter (I don't know) but her songs sound (to me)
like they've been written by committee. And that is not good.
Jon
> My point is that I don't think it should be a requirement to review
> something that you must like its genre. A good reviewer is capable of
> giving a fair review of anything he hears.
A fair one, perhaps, but probably not an informed one. And that's not good.
--
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I thought the lyrics were "You're a fine piece of real estate/ and I'm
gonna get me some LAND."
Alric
I think the guy in the end concluded that he LIKED the CD. He was being
funny, pointing out that this is a light-hearted effort intended to be fun.
For instance, take that remark about her not evolving into a gangsta
rapper. And look at the last line: he clearly states he likes the CD.
Alric
>You know, I am a professional music critic, sort of.
So am I, sort of.
>And my editor has assigned me to review pop punk, Christian rapcore, techno,
>college rock, new metal, blues, and adult contemporary bands. I assure you
>that these are not all genres that are necessarily to my taste.
Then why do you do them? I was asked if I wanted to do a piece on Adrian Legg
for an acoustic guitar magazine. I have no idea who he is, so I declined as I
felt it wouldn't be fair to the artist, publication, or reader.
But I did talk him into a possible future feature on Clarence White and
suggested Tony Rice, Bryan Sutton, Norman Blake, Doc Watson, Charles
Sawtelle, Merle Watson, and even Roy Bookbinder, because I was much more
familiar with them.
>My point is that I don't think it should be a requirement to review
>something that you must like its genre.
I guess I wouldn't have to be a fan of rap to write a review of Ja Rule, but
the problem is I have no knowledge of the guy or his music. I don't listen
to rap, at all. So how would I be able to provide an objective review to a
music that I know nothing about and already have a personal bias against? How
would that be serving my editor, publication, or the readers?
>A good reviewer is capable of
>giving a fair review of anything he hears.
That word "fair" is what is troublsome. Fair to who? If this was your
hard core honky tonk record, or a bluegrass record and the review had been
assigned to a revierwer that had never listed to either type of music and
whose main area of expertise was classical, opera, or hip hop, would you
feel that you had recieved a fair review? Or would you rather have it
reviewed by someone who familiar with that style and could provide you with
an objective critique?
> At least, I always try to be
>fair. (On the other hand, I haven't given out a negative review yet -
>whenever I don't like something, I usually just report on it factually,
>without offering any opinion at all).
A lot of publications don't like to run negative reviews. I usually don't
bother unless it's a major artist, or better yet, I try to point out the
negatives while also trying to point out some of the positives. The real trick
is to try and be consistant. When I was running an internet based publication,
I used to get emails from people who said that I had influenced their
purchases. There is a guy in Austin who if he says he absolutely hates
something, odds are, I'm going to love it.
>And always keep in mind that a review is nothing more than an opinion. I've
>only listened to Shania singles, but I do have to say that they strike me as
>overproduced to the point that I have no emotional response to them. And
>Shania may be the only songwriter (I don't know) but her songs sound (to me)
>like they've been written by committee. And that is not good.
Then say that in the review. Most print publications do review a couple of
ways. They send out a list of titles they are looking for reviews for to all
their freelancers. The freelancers then pick the ones they are interested in
doing. Some editors rely on teh writers to pitch them reviews. That's how I
got the Happy Birthday Buck Owens disc in Country Music, and the Chip Taylor
in Country Weekly. Then the good editors (of which for once in my life I seem
to be surrounded with) come to know their writers (and this part is my
responsibility to let them get to know me by staying in their faces) and will
assign projects to writers. That's how I got the Coe piece. I got an email
asking me my opinion on Coe and if I was interested in doing a piece on him. I
thought it would be interesting as I knew I had some preconseived ideas about
him and this would be my opportunity to find out what was truth and what was
fiction.
Shania holds no interest for me. My editors know this. They also know that if
they asked me to do a review of her, I would be willing to do so if they
really needed me to do it, but they also know that I am not a fan and my
review would be colored by that.
As a reviewer/ music journelist, all you have to go on is your reputation.
Your reputation with your publicatiosn (doing quality work and getting it
turned in on time) and with your readers (consistancy).
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I'd be prepared to do an interview with her if asked. Of course the
interview would take about a week on some secluded little South Sea Island
while Mutt looked after the kid in LA or something....
Clark
Personally I think Shania has done quite a bit for getting country
music noticed. Before she came on the scene I can say that was one of
the people who absolutely couldn't stand country music. I found it too
depressing and moody with everyone's girlfriend leaving or somebody
cheating or whatever. When someone said I had to check out this new
country artist I was the first to say "You want me to listen to a
country singer?" Well, I listened and loved the way she made country
music fun to listen to. I was a little annoyed about her not winning
any awards even though she was the best and I have to admit that
didn't inspire me to like the country community that much. Now I know
a lot of the country artists and watch CMT from time to time. If I'm
just one of the pop listeners that she converted to country, isn't
that worth something.
So when did Shania become so unpopular with the country fans. I don't
understand that one. She won entertainer of the year for her Come on
Over album so she must have been liked by the Academy. As far as a
person goes she gave the proceeds for her song "God Bless the Child"
to charity as well as portions of her ticket sales and a bunch of her
costumes, guitars and memorabilia to auctions so they could raise
money for battered women and hungry children. I guess what I'm saying
it's because of this I will always be a Shania fan, it doesn't matter
if she's country or pop.
Thanks,
Bart
Bart wrote:
If I'm just one of the pop listeners that she converted to country, isn't
> that worth something.
No, by your own admission you don't listen to other country much.
Coop
If you're reviewing the music in a dispassionate, disinterested and
objective manner then the readership will read a clinical breakdown of the
music if you do your job properly.
Whether that's any use to anyone is another question.
But if I read a review of a new album by a band that I like I want the
reviewer to concentrate on the relevant stuff: Talking about Shania Twain's
over-production to a Shania Twain audience has as much relevance as
discussing the lack of deceptive cadence in Holiday in Cambodia to Dead
Kennedys fans.
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I see the idiot is still around. Poor basement-living Stan. Crazy as a
loon. I killfiled him a long time ago because he borders on retarded, and
I thought for sure he'd have given this shtick up by now. I see he hasn't.
Poor little mad-cashier clown. No class, no brains. And there's no way
you can get him to see it.
Alric
Bart
Yes she is well known. I am impressed with your favorites in country music.
Coop
At this point I probably know more country artists than pop ones but I
still wouldn't classify myself as a country fan because I like all
music and am not limited to one flavor. Country is nice but depending
on who you listen to it can be moody, depressing and even whiney.
That's why I like Tanya Tucker and Olivia Newton-John and have nearly
all their CDs/LPs. One of my favorite songs is 'Better Late than
Never'; Dottie West singing 'D.I.V.O.R.C.E.'; Olivia Newton-John
singing 'Have you Never Been Mellow'; Trisha Yearwood's 'How do I
Live' and Garth's 'Friends in Low Places'.
If Shania isn't liked by country fans because she released a pop
version of her new album then I guess it's the country fans that are
missing out since they seem to be assuming she created the pop disc
first and not the country one and the country disc is very good. I
don't think it's wrong to try to please all your fans if you are an
entertainer and she's the only one that I know of who's made a
separate CD for each group of fans. Talking about country artists that
sing both country and pop, how about Olivia Newton-John. She went pop
with the Xanadu soundtrack and later Physical so are you saying she's
not country? I think she can sing country with the best of them and
probably has more hits than any of the current stars.
Both gals started in country and have some really nice country albums,
but also can sing the pop tunes whenever. They aren't limited to just
country. You can condemn them for that, but being someone who loves
music, I won't. If an artist is good, I'm not jaded by what they are
labeled as, I just enjoy the music.
Bart
So what you're saying is that because you enjoy all music, that we
country music fans should enjoy it all? Shania hasn't been country in
a long time, She used the Country genre to get herself a name, then
moved on where she could make more money. If she is going to do pop,
fine...let her term herself a pop singer, not country. Why should she
be on awards shows for country music doing her pop? Why should she
receive awards for country music for a pop song?
I listen to all kinds of music too, hell right now, old Grand Funk is
in my CD player, but when I want to listen to country, I want it
country. Not watered down pop. When I turn on the radio, I want to
hear country, not pop. If I wanted to listen to that, I would change
the station to the local kiddie pop station.
And the most important thing.....there are those in here, including
myself, who believe Shania is nothing but eye candy with a slick
producer husband. Sorry but I don't find her to have much talent.
She's a beautiful woman and evidently pretty intelligent but as far
as talent, forget it. You want to hear talented women? Listen to the
Chicks, listen to Loretta Lynn, some old Tammy Wynette recordings,
listen to Lorrie Morgan, that woman sings her lungs out and has more
talent in her little finger than Shania has in her whole body....
Bart wrote:
> Coop, you're not getting it. I don't listen to radio stations because
> they're just as bad as the fans that listen to the music. They have
> their blinders on and refuse to admit that life exists outside their
> own little world. When I find an artist I like, I really don't care if
> they're country, pop, rock or even classical. I go out and buy their
> CD.
>
Radio is broken into formats. I too like many types of music but I don't
expect one radio station to cover every style. I don't think Ray is
going to be playing Shania any time soon nor woud I expect him to.
> At this point I probably know more country artists than pop ones but I
> still wouldn't classify myself as a country fan because I like all
> music and am not limited to one flavor.
What does that have to do with being a country fan? I like blues also.
Does that mean I can't be a fan of both?
Country is nice but depending
> on who you listen to it can be moody, depressing and even whiney.
> That's why I like Tanya Tucker and Olivia Newton-John and have nearly
> all their CDs/LPs.
Sure it can. It can also be uplifting, funny, and positive. Seems to
me your still hung up on stereotypes.
One of my favorite songs is 'Better Late than
> Never'; Dottie West singing 'D.I.V.O.R.C.E.'; Olivia Newton-John
> singing 'Have you Never Been Mellow'; Trisha Yearwood's 'How do I
> Live' and Garth's 'Friends in Low Places'.
>
> If Shania isn't liked by country fans because she released a pop
> version of her new album then I guess it's the country fans that are
> missing out since they seem to be assuming she created the pop disc
> first and not the country one and the country disc is very good.
It's a matter of degree. Some of us think it's a pop disc and another
even more pop disc.
I
> don't think it's wrong to try to please all your fans if you are an
> entertainer and she's the only one that I know of who's made a
> separate CD for each group of fans.
I'm not a fan of that. Her green disc sounds crisp whereas the red one
sounds sparse.
Talking about country artists that
> sing both country and pop, how about Olivia Newton-John. She went pop
> with the Xanadu soundtrack and later Physical so are you saying she's
> not country? I think she can sing country with the best of them and
> probably has more hits than any of the current stars.
She's tried to get back into country but so far has failed.
>
> Both gals started in country and have some really nice country albums,
> but also can sing the pop tunes whenever. They aren't limited to just
> country. You can condemn them for that, but being someone who loves
> music, I won't. If an artist is good, I'm not jaded by what they are
> labeled as, I just enjoy the music.
The problem is they are blurring the lines and for awhile took the
format with them. However, I'll grant you that I don't feel that is any
longer the case.
Coop
If I had the chance...Like a fine Stradivarius!
Ray Arthur
Tregembo wrote:
Lol, they don't let you interview the ladies much, do they.
Coop
I would just like to say that I am about as jealous of you as I am of a
wind-up toy that says "Fuck off"
and of course, none of us mere mortals knew that. Thank you J.D. - I bow
down to your greater glory!
>That's a nice review. I'm confused though about the politcal satire
>comment. Where is there anything political in that statement?
>
>"The lyrics are simply magnificent as long as you can appreciate Shania's
>complex political satires. Lines such as "You're a fine piece of real
>estate, and I'm gonna get me some man" must have extensively deep meaning,
>otherwise I'd consider the lyrics ridiculous"
>
>To me it's just a cute line mixing metaphors right ?
Was it MAN or LAND.. Either way it makes sense.
>
>
We had a radio station here that had two mottos: 1 - they would NOT
play any country music, ever. 2 - They would play all the hits.
I found it funny when Shania released the Come on Over album, she
had so many number 1 hits that the station had to rewrite their
policy. They couldn't say they were playing all the number one hits
because they weren't playing Shania when she was coming up with hit
after hit. They also couldn't play Shania because as far as all pop
listeners go, she's country. Needless to say the radio station plays
all the hits now, even if they are country stars. Now you look at VH1
and you see the Dixie Chicks at number two and Faith. The more airtime
a country artist gets on the pop charts, the less the boundaries seem
to be between pop and county for your regular listener. The die-hards
will never change.
>
>> At this point I probably know more country artists than pop ones but I
>> still wouldn't classify myself as a country fan because I like all
>> music and am not limited to one flavor.
>
>
>What does that have to do with being a country fan? I like blues also.
> Does that mean I can't be a fan of both?
>
>Country is nice but depending
>> on who you listen to it can be moody, depressing and even whiney.
>> That's why I like Tanya Tucker and Olivia Newton-John and have nearly
>> all their CDs/LPs.
>
>
>Sure it can. It can also be uplifting, funny, and positive. Seems to
>me your still hung up on stereotypes.
>
Not really. That's just the country music I don't like, moody and
depressing, always someone cheating on someone but yes there is
good too. It's probably why I liked Shania the first time I heard her.
I'll be the first to admit I didn't think I'd like her when I was told
I had to hear this country artist. At that time I was pretty much into
rock and pop and even though I had my favorite country artists growing
up. I'd lost interest in country. There just weren't any artists that
I wanted to listen to. I still didn't go out and buy her CD though
until she proved to me she could sing and after all the hits started
happening I had to go out and get it.
>
>One of my favorite songs is 'Better Late than
>> Never'; Dottie West singing 'D.I.V.O.R.C.E.'; Olivia Newton-John
>> singing 'Have you Never Been Mellow'; Trisha Yearwood's 'How do I
>> Live' and Garth's 'Friends in Low Places'.
>>
>> If Shania isn't liked by country fans because she released a pop
>> version of her new album then I guess it's the country fans that are
>> missing out since they seem to be assuming she created the pop disc
>> first and not the country one and the country disc is very good.
>
>
>
>It's a matter of degree. Some of us think it's a pop disc and another
>even more pop disc.
>
You see, that's what I don't understand and find so frustrating. Some
country people say they don't like Shania because she's pop, but I've
been into pop all my life and when I hear her sing, I hear country. I
even have a bunch of friends who always slam her because she's
country. I heard an interview on CMT with Reba McEntire, Kenny Rogers
Chely Wright and Faith, they all liked what she has done for country
music and don't think she gets the recognition she deserves and I
would have to agree with them. Lets face it, Reba and Kenny are pure
country, all class. Nobody can dispute their standing or knowledge of
what's good or bad for country.
> I
>> don't think it's wrong to try to please all your fans if you are an
>> entertainer and she's the only one that I know of who's made a
>> separate CD for each group of fans.
>
>
>I'm not a fan of that. Her green disc sounds crisp whereas the red one
>sounds sparse.
>
So do you think it would have made any difference if she would have
released only the country album and not the pop or international
versions? Personally I like the red disk a little better, but they're
both enjoyable to listen to.
>On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:07:45 GMT, Bart <bartwe...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>So what you're saying is that because you enjoy all music, that we
>country music fans should enjoy it all? Shania hasn't been country in
>a long time, She used the Country genre to get herself a name, then
>moved on where she could make more money. If she is going to do pop,
>fine...let her term herself a pop singer, not country. Why should she
>be on awards shows for country music doing her pop? Why should she
>receive awards for country music for a pop song?
>
I really don't care what you listen too or what you like or don't
like. You can hate Shania's music all you like, but you were saying
the country fans and I think you should be saying you personally. You
aren't everyone's voice are you?
As I see it she won those awards because she had better country music,
voted by her peers or the fans. When you have as many number one hits
as she had, she earned the awards and probably should have had more.
>
>I listen to all kinds of music too, hell right now, old Grand Funk is
>in my CD player, but when I want to listen to country, I want it
>country. Not watered down pop. When I turn on the radio, I want to
>hear country, not pop. If I wanted to listen to that, I would change
>the station to the local kiddie pop station.
>
>And the most important thing.....there are those in here, including
>myself, who believe Shania is nothing but eye candy with a slick
>producer husband. Sorry but I don't find her to have much talent.
>She's a beautiful woman and evidently pretty intelligent but as far
>as talent, forget it. You want to hear talented women? Listen to the
>Chicks, listen to Loretta Lynn, some old Tammy Wynette recordings,
>listen to Lorrie Morgan, that woman sings her lungs out and has more
>talent in her little finger than Shania has in her whole body....
>
You can believe what you want, but to say Shania has no talent proves
to me that you are against her for personal reasons and not musical
ones. She's outsold any country artist with her music and those were
COUNTRY albums that were selling. Because a couple songs sounded
pop, all of a sudden she's a pop singer? I don't think so. Ask anyone
who really knows country music. I'll email CMT and ask them. If you
can't trust your own country music stations, who can you trust. If you
like I'll even forward it to you.
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Whoever wrote the review was probably confused because they never
actually listened to the album. The lyrics are "You're a fine piece of
real estate, and I'm gonna get me some land". Sounds pretty clear to
me (no deep meaning). I have to admit I'm not fond of reviewers who
judge something without at least giving it a chance.
When I first heard the album I only liked maybe 4 songs, but now that
I've given them a good listen to, I really like them all. Some sound
much better played in the country theme, while others are much better
sounding on the pop CD. Maybe I got it wrong but I don't listen to
music to try to find the deep dark meaning behind everything. I listen
to it because I find it fun to sing along to or pass the time. Isn't
that what music is for? It's not political and doesn't always have to
make sense, it's a form of art - hence the name artist. I don't
understand why people are so judgmental of her because of the whole
country vs pop thing. She could have just released a country version
and said this is what you get. Personally, I'm very grateful she put
in the extra time, effort and money to please everyone even though
that part seems to be going unnoticed.
I also happen to like the Red CD better than the other two so I don't
agree with his comment "The lyrics barely fit the synthesized pop
beats and must have been created for twangy guitars" The reviewer
must be a country fan and if that's the case, shouldn't be reviewing
the pop version, stick to reviewing the country version.
Finally their comment: "Having one of the highest selling albums ever
must be tiring, which could explain the massive 5 year gap between
Shania's albums."
So you mean she isn't allowed to take time off to become a mother? In
real life I think they call it maternity leave. It also means she put
some effort into it as opposed to just slapping something together and
trying to capitalize on the good results of her Come on Over album
like some other artists tend to do.
My apologies for venting. I just think she's a really nice person and
doesn't deserve all the flak she keeps getting.
Bart