timpany concerto
Nick Rodgerson
Gary K. Allen
>
> Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
At least one: William Kraft _Timpani Concerto_ (1984), available on
Harmonia Mundi France HMU 907106.
The Melsons
I heard in St. Louis about 20 years ago. I don't know if it has been
recorded.
Mark Melson
David Samuel Barr
>
> Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
Yes, several. Some years back Harold Farberman made an album featuring
a concerto Johann Carl Christian Fischer for 8 Timpani and a concerto
for 8 timpani & a partita for 6 timpani both by Georg Druschetsky (all
from the mid-to-late 18th century). There are also quite a number of
modern works (most of which are quite obscure, except to those who have
played them).
Luis Afonso
> Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
1. James Oliverio - Timpani Concerto #1 'The Olympian'.
2. Robert Paris - Timpani Concerto
3. Tanner - Timpani Concerto
4. Kraft - Timpani Concerto
5. Daniel Dorff - Concerto for solo percussion and orchestra
6. Milhaud - Concerto for Percussion.
Maybe you want to check this address:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcz/Slwcomp.html
Hope it helps.
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from Nick Rodgerson <brod...@dal.ca> contains these words:
> Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
Yes -- Nielsen's Symphony No. 5. Ho ho ho ho :)))))))))))))
More seriously, now ---
Been a thread on this recently -- try Deja News?
In the meantime here's my suggestion:
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Johann Fischer, Concerto for 8 Timpani & Orchestra
George Druschetzky, Partita in C major for 6 Timpani & Orchestra
& Concerto for Oboe, 8 Timpani & Orchestra
Jonathan Haas, Timps
Gordon Hunt, Oboe
Bournemouth Sinfonietta
CRD 3449
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I really enjoy this record (I never saw a review and I'm not sure if
it's still available). IMO it's a bit of a cheat because with 8 tuned
timpani you can have a pretty flexible melodic scale available to you
... but never mind!
It would also be worth exploring Evelyn Glennie's recorded
repertoire, I'm sure that will turn up something. Poulenc and Malcolm
Arnold are two composers who often write for unusual combinations
too, it may be worth checking in your record store's catalogue to see
if there's anything available. Bartok's writing for percussion is
notable, too. These are just random suggestions on a busy morning
(except for the Bartok).
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Mark Starr
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> from Nick Rodgerson <brod...@dal.ca> contains these words:
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> > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
>
> Yes -- Nielsen's Symphony No. 5. Ho ho ho ho :)))))))))))))
Wrong symphony. You mean No. 4 (Inextinguishible).
Ha ha ha ha ha :)))))))))))))
Regards,
Mark Starr
John Gavin
does this count? (it's an awfully good piece!)
Matthew B. Tepper
>
> Nick Rodgerson wrote:
>
> > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
>
> 2. Robert Paris - Timpani Concerto
> 3. Tanner - Timpani Concerto
> 4. Kraft - Timpani Concerto
> 5. Daniel Dorff - Concerto for solo percussion and orchestra
> 6. Milhaud - Concerto for Percussion.
I wouldn't strictly count ## 5 and 6. There are timpani concerti by
Harold Farberman, and by Werner Thärichen.
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David R L Porter
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> > The message <35E12AC0...@dal.ca>
> > from Nick Rodgerson <brod...@dal.ca> contains these words:
> >
> > > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
> >
> > Yes -- Nielsen's Symphony No. 5. Ho ho ho ho :)))))))))))))
> Wrong symphony. You mean No. 4 (Inextinguishible).
> Ha ha ha ha ha :)))))))))))))
Not quite complete boo-boo ... a temporary confusion between
side-drums and timpani, I fear.
boom-boom.
Derek Haslam
David R L Porter <david....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <35E12AC0...@dal.ca>
> from Nick Rodgerson <brod...@dal.ca> contains these words:
> > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
> Yes -- Nielsen's Symphony No. 5. Ho ho ho ho :)))))))))))))
Er....are you sure you don't mean No.4?
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Mell Csicsila
> Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
There are actually a small number of timpani concerti available.
I have recordings of:
Johann Fischer: Symphony for Eight Timpani and Orchestra
Georg Druschetzky: Partita in C Major
Concerto for Oboe, Eight Timpani and Orchestra
Werner Tharichen: Concerto for Kettledrums, Op. 34
There are also concerti by James Oliverio, Robert Parris, Jaromir
Weinberger (brass and timpani), Peter Tanner (brass and timpani), Panufnik
(percussionist, timpanist, and strings), Akira Nishimura, Kenneth LaFave,
Richard Kvistad, William Kraft, Wolfgang Kohler, and Harold Farberman. A
lot of the concertos for percussion include movements for timpani or at
least passages. In this regard, I can think of the Milhaud and the
Berthold Hummel concerti right away.
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Wayne Reimer
world-famous, big draw timpanist, so they're making do with the 1st
timpani player of the orchestra. An utterly bizarre program:
Stravinsky Canticum sacrum, the Kraft, and Ravel's Hallucinating Brat
with van Stade, in a semi-staged version (maybe they're planning on
rolling in a big rig..don't know).
Wayne Reimer
Gary K. Allen wrote:
>
> Nick Rodgerson wrote:
> >
> > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
>
Mike Painter
<rei...@hooked.net> wrote:
> The San Francisco Sym. is doing the Kraft this season. Couldn't find a
> world-famous, big draw timpanist, so they're making do with the 1st
> timpani player of the orchestra. An utterly bizarre program:
Can you even name a "world-famous, big draw timpanist?" Evelyn Glennie is
about the only persussionist anyone has ever heard of, and I am not sure
she is "big draw." The symphony is not "making do" with David Herbert. He
is an excellent timpanist. MTT brought him here from the New World
Symphony, which MTT is music director of, and obviously feels strongly
enough about his ability that he decided to program the Kraft concerto
with Herbert as soloist. All good orchestras feature some of their
musicians during their seasons -- it has nothing to do with not being able
to find a world famous, big draw performer. They are used often enough.
As for the program being utterly bizarre (Stravinsky: Canticum sacrum;
Kraft: Timpani Concerto; Ravel: L'Enfant et les sortilèges), they are all
pieces that I am completely unfamiliar with. I look forward to going to
the pre-concert talk to find out how it all fits together. MTT always has
a good reason for his programs -- that's one of the great things about
having him here in SF.
Mike
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Eric Schissel
the New York Philharmonic, then it's not especially obscure.
A concerto for oboe and 8 timpani (with orchestra) - one timpanum tuned to
each note in the scale - was produced by, I think, Druschetszky, and
recorded by Koch Schwann around 1995 or so.
-Eric Schissel
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MKorsun123
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>> Nick Rodgerson wrote:
>>
>> > Was there ever a concerto for Timpany?
>>
>> 2. Robert Paris - Timpani Concerto
>> 3. Tanner - Timpani Concerto
>> 4. Kraft - Timpani Concerto
>> 5. Daniel Dorff - Concerto for solo percussion and orchestra
>> 6. Milhaud - Concerto for Percussion.
>
>I wouldn't strictly count ## 5 and 6. There are timpani concerti by
>Harold Farberman, and by Werner Thärichen.
>
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>Matthew B. Tepper
There is another one by Siegfried Matthus of the late GDR (East Germany to us
West Germany-lovers), which I heard in Carnegie Hall about ten years ago with
the Leipzig Gewandhausorchester in Kurt Masur's more meaningful days. I recall
it as an interesting, atmospheric piece, evocative of forest sounds.
Michael Korsunsky
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jg...@webtv.net (John Gavin) wrote:
> Poulenc - Concerto for Organ, Strings,and Timpany
>
> does this count? (it's an awfully good piece!)
>
>
There are many concerto for timpani, some dating back several centuries just
in case we all thought that featuring percussion was a modern development!
There is also a marvellous Sonata for Three Unaccompanied Chromatic Timpani
by the Welsh composer Daniel Jones which I have had the privilege of playing.
It is a thought provoking and challenging piece. For all those who grimace
at the thought of timpani alone, I can assure you that there is much
variation and interest in the work. It was recorded by (I think) Tristam Fry
and issued on Argo before they were taken over by Decca. I am not aware of
it being reissued. There are some marvellous pieces by the Philidor
brothers, some of which have been recorded, 16th century marches of interest
and complexity and absolutely no walkover even for a modern player (a bit
like Beethoven 9, in fact). And I agree with your views on the Poulenc. He
is a marvellous composer and I think I enjoy everything he wrote.
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Mell Csicsila
> The San Francisco Sym. is doing the Kraft this season. Couldn't find a
> world-famous, big draw timpanist, so they're making do with the 1st
> timpani player of the orchestra. An utterly bizarre program:
What the heck is that supposed to imply? When a major symphony orchestra
performs a violin concerto with their concertmaster, is that because they
couldn't get major talent on short notice? When an orchestra does the
Copland Clarinet Concerto with their principal clarinetist, does that mean
that Richard Stoltzman is unavailable? When Chris Lamb premiered the
Schwantner percussion concerto with the New York Philharmonic, was that
because they couldn't get Evelyn Glennie to do it? I think not. The
principal players in any major orchestra are more than capable of playing
solo works as are the other members and I wouldn't think of having any
member of an orchestra play a concerto as "making do". Heaven forbid the
San Fransisco Symphony demonstrate what talent they have in their sections
by featuring a member of the orchestra in a concerto role, and a
timpanist, no less.
Steve Smith
The most exciting concerto this ex-timpanist ever imagined for his
chosen instrument(s). Taped it off a Cleveland Orchestra broadcast,
somehow knowing I'd likely never hear the piece again (at least until
our *next* generations's Schwann label starts recording oddities for
posterity...).
Seriously, a fun piece worth hearing for its "stunt" value alone... but
valuable beyond that as well. Still, for the sake of special effects,
this could become a real "pops" hit.
Steve Smith
ssmi...@sprynet.com
Wayne Reimer
"This season the San Francisco Symphony is featuring its fine timpani
player, David Herbert, in the William Kraft Timpani Concerto. The
entire Bay Area musical community is breathlessly awaiting what promises
to be a thrilling performance of this piece, which is rarely performed
because of the extreme artistic and technical difficulties posed for the
soloist. The orchestra is fortunate indeed to have within its own ranks
a musician who is capable of meeting the demands of this concerto.
Filling out the adventurous program is Ravel's L'Enfant et les
Sortileges with Bay Area resident 'Flicka' von Stade, and Stravinsky's
Canticum sacrum."
Feel better now? I was attempting irony in my original post, as well a
little in this one. But, in a more literal more, I didn't mean to say
that the timpanist was not good enough to solo, but was trying to make
fun of the way soloists are marketed. Believe me, there is no picture
of Mr. Herbert in the season brochure and no special mention of the
concerto. It's almost as if the marketers were afraid that people would
actually notice that the piece will be performed.
In general, I think it's great that orchestras can use their players as
soloists. But not all of them are good as soloists, in spite of your
claim. For example, of the three string section leaders in the S. F.
symphony, only the violist, Geraldine Walther, is really up to doing a
solo turn that equals the orchestra in quality. She is just incredibly
good, and is frequently used for solo work. The other two leaders do
get their turn, with results that are simply not up to the standards of
well-known touring virtuosi. (Actually, the concertmaster is "in
transition" right now.)
I also have no problem with the timpanist soloing in a concerto, but my
one hearing of the Kraft long ago doesn't convince me that it's worth
performing just for that purpose. It seemed kind of dated when it was
new. It'd be much better to use the money they save in soloist fees to
commission new works. I'm thinking that Christopher Rouse or Poul
Ruders could do a good timpani and orchestra piece.
Wayne
Wayne Reimer
>
<snip>
> Can you even name a "world-famous, big draw timpanist?" Evelyn Glennie is
> about the only persussionist anyone has ever heard of, and I am not sure
> she is "big draw." The symphony is not "making do" with David Herbert. He
> is an excellent timpanist. MTT brought him here from the New World
> Symphony, which MTT is music director of, and obviously feels strongly
> enough about his ability that he decided to program the Kraft concerto
> with Herbert as soloist. All good orchestras feature some of their
> musicians during their seasons -- it has nothing to do with not being able
> to find a world famous, big draw performer. They are used often enough.
See my response to the previous post in this thread.
>
> As for the program being utterly bizarre (Stravinsky: Canticum sacrum;
> Kraft: Timpani Concerto; Ravel: L'Enfant et les sortilèges), they are all
> pieces that I am completely unfamiliar with. I look forward to going to
> the pre-concert talk to find out how it all fits together. MTT always has
> a good reason for his programs -- that's one of the great things about
> having him here in SF.
I agree. Part of the charm of MTT's programming is how he sometimes can
make the most unlikely juxtapositions work. Which makes it particularly
delightful when I see what seems to me to be an utterly bizarre program.
Another weird one this season is the one with 4 pieces of Gershwin and
the Berg Three Pieces for Orchestra, the Berg coming right before An
American in Paris!!! Pretty strange on paper, at least.
Wayne Reimer
Don Drewecki
Strauss's Burleske is not a tympani concerto, but it has a lot of great
writing for it.
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Mark Starr
timpani concerti, I can't resist
retelling an old joke: the one about
the two timpanists from two different
orchestras who meet in a bar for a
drink during their rehearsal breaks.
"Hey, Helmut! Great to see you. What
are you playing these days over at
the Philharmonic?"
"Ah, my dear Laszlo, we have been
rehearsing a symphony by Haydn all
afternoon."
"But which one, my esteemed colleague."
"Oh, you know it. You've played it
many times."
"But which one is that? There are so
many symphonies by Haydn, more than
a hundred?"
"The beautiful one that every orchestra plays,
again and again."
"I still don't know which Haydn symphony
you mean. So many are beautiful and
popular."
"It's the one with the famous melody."
"Which famous melody?"
"Oh, come on now! You know this symphony
very well. The one that begins: 5, boom;
3, bam-bam; 18, boomedy-boomedy-bam; 3,
bim-brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr............"
Regards,
Mark Starr